Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Mike N
On 1/6/2013 7:30 AM, Alex Barth wrote: This could be achieved e. g. by overlaying a light, opaque OSM highway layer with a contrasting TIGER layer, only exposing TIGER 12 geometry where it differs from OSM. Here is a TIGER 12 vs OSM comparison. They cyan inner arc exists in TIGER 12 but

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Mike N
On 1/6/2013 7:30 AM, Alex Barth wrote: This could be achieved e. g. by overlaying a light, opaque OSM highway layer with a contrasting TIGER layer, only exposing TIGER 12 geometry where it differs from OSM. Oops, forgot the link: http://greenvilleopenmap.info/TIGER12vsOSM.jpg Here is a

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-01-06

2013-01-07 Thread Dave Hansen
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Alex Barth
On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've done this before and it works great for ~z10+. Some more processing needs to be done for the lower zoom levels so that we can display an overview to make it easier to find problematic areas. Any particular thoughts on

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Alex Barth
On Jan 6, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/6/2013 11:37 AM, Mike N wrote: I like the idea of a TIGER 07 vs 12 comparison only being used as a trigger. If you compare TIGER 12 vs OSM, it will highlight all the TIGER 07 artifact roads that were removed because they were

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Nathan Mixter
It would be awesome to include the land ownership data from BLM especially if we could do it for the whole US. Unfortunately that is probably not something that people would want to add because of the conflicts with other data. I wonder if we could include it on a limited basis or only include

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com wrote: It would be awesome to include the land ownership data from BLM especially if we could do it for the whole US. Unfortunately that is probably not something that people would want to add because of the conflicts with other

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've done this before and it works great for ~z10+. Some more processing needs to be done for the lower zoom levels so that we can display an overview to make

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread Michal Migurski
On Jan 6, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Alex Barth wrote: On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 1/4/13 1:31 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: Interesting—how would you characterize bad roads? One characteristic of crappy TIGER data is road wiggliness, is that what you

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Monday, January 7, 2013, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'nmix...@gmail.com'); wrote: It would be awesome to include the land ownership data from BLM especially if we could do it for the whole US. Unfortunately

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Monday, January 7, 2013, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com wrote: It would be awesome to include the land ownership data from BLM especially if we could do it for the

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Meyer
Isn't that true of all data in the database? On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Monday, January 7, 2013, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread the Old Topo Depot
Some OSM Editors have spent time improving at least county borders. A core part of the discussion is ownership. If BLM data is added to the OSM DB, who are the individuals within the community that will take active ownership for keeping the data quality high and updated as BLM issues changes, or

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/7/13 10:37 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote: We do have an issue with US state and county borders, as some are missing, incorrect, incomplete or incorrectly tagged. Perhaps we can organize a cleanse the state and county borders project to improve the data quality and currentness. i would

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Isn't that true of all data in the database? OSM is built on surveyors doing surveys. That is we have people who go out and walk around with GPSes, or maps, and manually survey what's on the ground. Then when a second person goes

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2013-01-07 Thread dies38061
I know that the TIGER 2012 overlay available in JOSM has been very helpful and I think that a combination of a) increasing awareness of this overlay and b) making the overlay available in Potlatch would go a long way toward leveraging TIGER 2012. In general, I think it is not the geometry

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM

2013-01-07 Thread Michael Patrick
We just had this conversation a couple threads ago. This sort of land ownership border doesn't really belong in OSM because we can't improve it. In OSM as a whole, or just in the US? When I peruse the various hiking/path/trail tagging portions of the Wiki, I found this: Since the tagging is

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Meyer
My apologies - my real point was that it doesn't seem that rules are being applied equally across different data sets. For example, requiring that any data imported into OSM have a lifetime maintenance plan seems like something that we don't require of *any* OSM data entry. Most data is entered

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Full ack to to what Serge and Ian mentioned already. In addition I checked the metadata and this data is of questionable accuracy and shouldn't be added alone for this reason. Data set now is a mix of scale, tolerances, and vintage, ranging from 1994 to 2006, line work ranging from GCDB to 24K

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Michael Patrick
So there too, is a potential win for OSM. We could rely on current, highly accurate public domain boundry data and use that for rendering, geolocation and other places, while keeping it out of the OSM dataset. Please expand on this. There are already communities around Disaster Relief, etc.,

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: All of the rules about observability and verifiability apply to country and state borders, as well, as Mike states, but we include them and somehow improve them. Have we improved them? Being the last user to touch about 35% of

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Meyer
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: All of the rules about observability and verifiability apply to country and state borders, as well, as Mike states, but we include them and somehow