Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Kerry Irons wrote: I would like to get in contact with the mapper(s) who put these routes into OpenStreetMap/OpenCycleMap and clarify this. We are always looking for enthusiastic folks who want to work on the USBR system but in this case putting detailed routes on maps is a source of

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread KerryIrons
Richard, Thanks for your comments. While we do not have the reach or funding of Sustrans, our efforts are very similar in developing the US Bicycle Route System. We use the UK's National Cycle Network (as well as EuroVelo and the Canadian Route Verte) as one of our example templates when we

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Well, this begs the question a bit...what's the difference between chasing down an estimated proposal and tagging it as such, and the extremely vague PDF that's out there? I'm thinking the tagging makes for a clearer understanding on where the route might go, and I believe adding the appropriate

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread Paul Johnson
If I can get the route through Oregon, I wouldn't mind finishing out that route. On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Nathan, Thanks for letting me know the source of the OSM/OCM maps. Paul Johnson has contacted me as well. As you may have seen

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread stevea
I just want to chime in that we (the People of our county: partly by Citizen participation, partly by presentations to our county Regional Transportation Commission) find the visualizations that OSM affords us an excellent way to posit proposed bicycle routing/numbering using the

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread KerryIrons
Steve, I understand the concept you are putting forth and my concern is to be sure that whatever mechanism is used for mapping US Bicycle Routes that there is communication and coordination in the process. And this is a bit off topic (forgive me as I am new here) but why is there no scale

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread KerryIrons
Paul, The extremely vague PDF is a corridor plan, not a route network. The plan was designed specifically to show where routes should be developed, leaving the details at the state level and to be defined later. There is no way a national effort could have been done by trying to choose the

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread Greg Troxel
I think Kerry's concern is about proposed routes being in the OSM db (and renders) when no such proposed routes exist. Taking a line from wikipedia (which I realize is tricky business), we shouldn't be doing original research in determining things, but rather documenting things that exist. If

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:04 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote: It's fine to tag a route as proposed but proposed by who? Let's not get hung up in the semantics; it basically means for all practical purposes not live yet. ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2013-03-10 3:47 PM, KerryIrons wrote: And this is a bit off topic (forgive me as I am new here) but why is there no scale displayed on OSM/OCM maps? Likewise why do large city names not show up until you zoom in? At roughly above half way on the detail scale the names Chicago, Detroit,

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/10/13 8:55 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:04 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote: It's fine to tag a route as proposed but proposed by who? Let's not get hung up in the semantics; it basically means for all practical purposes not live yet. i've stayed

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread KerryIrons
Paul, I think you are missing my point - I don't think it's semantics. If someone puts a bicycle route on OSM/OCM and gives it a US Bicycle Route number then those who are working to get that route officially designated would surely like to talk to the person who put the route up to make sure

[Talk-us] OpenCycleMap and bannered routes

2013-03-10 Thread Minh Nguyen
I noticed OpenCycleMap doesn't handle bannered routes well. (Yes, bannered routes again.) Local governments in the Columbus, Ohio, area have been pushing for a USBR 50 Scenic to go along with the proposed USBR 50. The route relation is currently `cycle_network=US:US:Scenic`, `ref=50`,