Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 11:27 AM, Clay Smalley wrote: I like this idea. That would encourage more people to TIGER-review streets, as highway=road shows up pretty ugly on Mapnik, and people like getting rid of ugly. What would be the drawbacks of doing this? It seems like there would be some but I can't

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 11:43 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: NE2, So after I bring up that I don't think railways should be drawn through buildings, and most people agree with me on that, you decide to do this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.762886lon=-71.430509zoom=18layers=M Does 86 Central Street,

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 10:45 PM, Mike N wrote: On 7/12/2012 4:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: This is a strawman, since there will rarely be more than one former line across a small area. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone wants to map all the former second tracks, sidings

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/11/2012 8:38 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/11/12 13:59, Mike N wrote: The state capital region of Columbia, South Carolina will be a prime test of the Do empty areas attract contributors? theory for some time to come. Why, is someone planning to remove the TIGER import in that

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/11/2012 9:31 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/11/12 15:20, Nathan Edgars II wrote: The state capital region of Columbia, South Carolina will be a prime test of the Do empty areas attract contributors? theory for some time to come. Why, is someone planning to remove the TIGER import

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've just ensured that the OSMF will do minimal damage to the U.S. railway network outside the Los Angeles area. Most of the damage will be moving nodes, meaning that geometry may be totally borked but topology will be fine. ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/10/2012 5:40 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I've just ensured that the OSMF will do minimal damage to the U.S. railway network outside the Los Angeles area. Oh, and South Carolina. Not going to touch that. Most of the damage will be moving nodes, meaning that geometry may be totally

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/10/2012 6:15 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Nathan, How did you ensure that the railroads will be damaged minimally Using JOSM's license change plugin. If the OSMF uses a different algorithm, we're all screwed. (and why is poor old LA excluded)? Because there's a lot of work and I can

Re: [Talk-us] US Road route relation conventions

2012-07-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/9/2012 6:23 PM, Mike N wrote: Is there a Wiki page that describes the best current highway tagging scheme to document use of route relations and refs to support Mapnik with shields and other data consumers? No, because there is no current tagging scheme :)

Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways

2012-07-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/8/2012 3:20 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Just came across this while processing pictures from my bike across Kansas: http://i.imgur.com/bmiV2.jpg This is a sign for the Western Vistas historic byway. It even has a website: http://www.westernvistashistoricbyway.com/ Closer to home I have also

Re: [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-07-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/3/2012 4:11 PM, Anthony wrote: What if it's an abandoned railway which is adjacent to a not-abandoned railway? Then it's already tagged as a rail trail. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Shorelines of highly variable lakes

2012-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Note that if you have the desired surface level, you can use USGS topos to place the shoreline on the correct contour. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-06-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/27/2012 10:46 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Ideally a map of rail trails should include them (e.g. the one in Trains magazine's May 2011 issue), but there's no easy way to determine if a trail is one. I would map the ways independently when the trail is adjacent to the rails. Duh? The

[Talk-us] An amusing story of a GNIS entry

2012-06-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.fuzzyworld3.com/3um/viewtopic.php?f=29t=3183 I suppose the question is whether OSM should have this place (assuming someone verifies that the sign is gone). Currently it does as part of the GNIS import: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/153418203/history

[Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-06-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Currently it's simple enough to find most (correctly-tagged) rail trails in the database: find anything tagged railway=abandoned and highway=[one of the trail values]. These trails are usually flatter than roads, and are therefore well-suited for long-distance cycling. But another popular

Re: [Talk-us] Work on Arizona rail lines deleted

2012-06-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/19/2012 1:27 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Dear US folks, I did a lot of work on the railroad that parallels I-40 across Arizona, from Gallup, N.M., to Flagstaff, Ariz. There are two parallel tracks with different names, Not sure what you mean by this. The Gallup Subdivision (Belen-East

Re: [Talk-us] Los Angeles area status

2012-06-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/14/2012 9:31 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: I'm not sure I blame him, in theory, for not agreeing to something unseen, being solely at the mercy of the masses - the same ones that approved this change to begin with. Actually there wasn't even that level of approval. The current license change

Re: [Talk-us] Seeing things you don't care about in the database

2012-06-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/11/2012 7:17 PM, Mark Gray wrote: On one hand, I share the frustration of having lots of new data in an area making some of our tools slower and more difficult to use. In my area a building footprint import slowed down most of the mapping tools and land use polygons can get in the way of

Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

2012-06-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I forgot to mention that you can also use Potlatch 1. Hit U to view deleted ways, select the way, and unlock. This is probably the easiest for a simple undeletion like this. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Special issues in LA remap

2012-06-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/5/2012 3:42 PM, Mike N wrote: On 6/5/2012 2:56 PM, stevea wrote: But socially, or more properly stated, in the context of reaching OSM consensus, what does our community think of (rather wholesale) reverts of a contributor who has not agreed to the CT? Are we OK with that? This nearly

Re: [Talk-us] User cleared out a chunk of streets

2012-05-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/31/2012 11:33 AM, Brian May wrote: Hi All, I just noticed in Gainesville, FL user AMPINTERMEDIA http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AMPINTERMEDIA recently deleted a chunk of streets from one section of town. Doesn't look sinister - they are a new user and probably didn't realize what they

Re: [Talk-us] proposed automated edit: forested wetlands

2012-05-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2012 6:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: The landuse import for Georgia (which IMO is poor-quality and should be deleted, but that's not going to happen) has a bunch of areas tagged as note = Forested Wetland with no useful natural=* tags (since natural=wood and natural=wetland both apply

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] proposed automated edit: forested wetlands

2012-05-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/30/2012 6:19 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: There's absolutely no reason to rush. Data that's been sitting in OSM for *years* without even being noticed as a problem I noticed it as a problem about a year ago. ___ Talk-us mailing list

[Talk-us] UK assumptions that don't hold in the U.S.

2012-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've noticed some odd things on OpenCycleMap and other renderings, and I think it's due to a difference in how things are in the UK vs. here. *Most railways have passenger service. Thus OCM (and the transport map) show all rail lines. *Tracks are useful for cycling. When you zoom in on OCM,

[Talk-us] proposed automated edit: forested wetlands

2012-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The landuse import for Georgia (which IMO is poor-quality and should be deleted, but that's not going to happen) has a bunch of areas tagged as note = Forested Wetland with no useful natural=* tags (since natural=wood and natural=wetland both apply). Example:

Re: [Talk-us] UK assumptions that don't hold in the U.S.

2012-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2012 10:00 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 05/29/12 11:57, Nathan Edgars II wrote: *Most railways have passenger service. Thus OCM (and the transport map) show all rail lines. But isn't a railway an obstacle for cyclists no matter what services they support? Sure. But that would

Re: [Talk-us] Topo map source?

2012-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2012 1:58 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: Do we have a new source for WMS topo maps now that Terraserver (msrmaps.com) has been shut down? Can I get a working URL from somebody?

Re: [Talk-us] How do I fix dupe nodes in waterways?

2012-05-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/20/2012 8:22 PM, James Umbanhowar wrote: I'm guessing that if you remove all the (superfluous) NHD:xxx tags, they will then become duplicate nodes in waterways, which I think can still be fixed in JOSM. Nope - removed all but waterway=* and I have the same problem. I've noticed boundary

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/15/2012 2:23 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-05-15 11:19, Clifford Snow wrote: I tag culs-de-sac as turning_circles and only draw a circular way when there is an island in the middle. But I have a question. Where should the turning_circle node be placed? In the middle of the culs-de-sac or

[Talk-us] Vandalism by ZeGermanata needs sorting out

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ZeGermanata/edits Vandalism includes the following: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/21523281/history changing ref=US 41 to US 241 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/163035927/history fake motorway bypass

[Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is anyone familiar with the regulations governing the U.S. inland waterways (such as the Mississippi River and the Intracoastal Waterway)? From my brief look, it seems to be less these barge configurations are allowed and more you can go anywhere but don't crash. Is this correct, or are there

Re: [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 1:06 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: In either case, any idea what the suitable tags might look like (other than the generic boat=yes ship=yes)? I guess that depends on what you're trying to do... If you are trying to tag the largest possible vessel that can navigate a waterway (under

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER road expansion code

2012-05-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/12/2012 12:41 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: What error rate is acceptable? As low as possible, but I've been generally able to handle the edge cases I've seen, either by doing the right thing, or by punting and doing nothing at all. It's worth noting that any errors are already there as

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The process seems obvious to me: check that the name is still what it originally was (from the tiger:name_base etc. tags), and if so, use those tags to expand abbreviations. (Ignore any with semicolons/colons from joining.) If not, set it aside for semi-manual checking. The only false

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 10:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. I'm ignoring this wiki-fiddling: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundaboutdiff=747981oldid=689543 Both edits you mention seem to

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 11:02 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On May 7, 2012 7:06 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Deesian.d...@gmail.com mailto:ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've mapped

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 12:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout. I suppose if you ignored the whole traversability or vertical clearance requirements the wiki's had since the

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're assuming that each real-world situation has only one correct way of mapping.

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 1:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 4:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: http://g.co/maps/e2gsv Even sillier:

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The problem seems to be that mappers needed a tag for a small roundabout on a node. Since all that was available was mini_roundabout, that's what we used. Had there been another tag, e.g. highway=roundabout, we wouldn't have this discussion. But mini_roundabout is now in use for a large number

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Fresno fixes

2012-05-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/6/2012 1:39 PM, Nathan Mixter wrote: 2. Align the shapes to match what is on the ground. I plan to either get rid of or modify them so they match what is on the ground. I'm not sure how you plan on doing this. Many times a fence will be on one side of the property line, to avoid dealing

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/4/2012 2:42 PM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: any import should be treated like this. if it's not edited and the data isn't used then it should be removed after some time. That's a silly statement. If something isolated gets imported, e.g. a water political boundary, it probably won't be

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/1/2012 1:23 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/1/2012 12:59 PM, Anthony wrote: Automatically expanding abbreviations is a terrible idea. If an abbreviation is unambiguous, then it can be expanded during the preprocessing

[Talk-us] Waterway directionality in drainage canals

2012-04-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
It's the standard to draw a waterway in the direction of flow. I've questioned this several times, but it's an ingrained default. My question is more specific: what happens to a drainage canal that reverses direction? I offer the Everglades and surrounding agricultural land as an example.

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-04-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/26/2012 2:54 AM, Paul Norman wrote: I happened across an import of Fresno castradal data from mid-2010 in the Fresno area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.77lon=-119.81zoom=15 is the general area but I haven't fully explored the extents. For a view of the data, see

Re: [Talk-us] Parks, etc. Points or outlines

2012-04-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/24/2012 2:38 PM, Josh Doe wrote: Yes, there should be only one feature for each real world object, and the way/multipolygon has more spatial information, however the nodes might have other useful information like the GNIS feature ID. For this matter, why are there county nodes all over

Re: [Talk-us] Parks, etc. Points or outlines

2012-04-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/24/2012 10:21 PM, Toby Murray wrote: I think the reason they exist is the same reason why cities always have a node in addition to their administrative boundaries. And states/countries too far that matter. Most renderers render the name from the nodes, not the admin boundaries. This makes

Re: [Talk-us] tiff, dwg and nad83

2012-04-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/17/2012 3:29 AM, Werner Poppele wrote: I totally agree with Frederik. Yes - imported data turns down new mappers. Have you ever seen those monster multipolygons ? I am sure a new mapper says: Forget that I personally tend to stop my contribution to OSM because of the very bad stuff I see

Re: [Talk-us] tiff, dwg and nad83

2012-04-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/17/2012 4:26 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: And now assume there's a third city of equal size where *nothing* has been mapped at all... maybe I shouldn't speak for everyone but for me (and virtually every mapper I know) surely the city with data-but-no-mappers would be least appealing, far below

Re: [Talk-us] tiff, dwg and nad83

2012-04-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/17/2012 8:18 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: If a user manually surveys data, there is an assumption of timeliness and accuracy of that survey. That's not the case with imported data, despite oftentimes being stamped official. When I joined OSM I went through photos and notes I had taken

[Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'm wondering what the best way would be to tag a good-quality shoulder that acts essentially as an undesignated bike lane, in that you can use it but it is not required. Current Florida DOT policy is to use these on rural roads, with marked bike lanes only when there is a lane to the right.

Re: [Talk-us] tiff, dwg and nad83

2012-04-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/17/2012 9:23 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: When I joined OSM I went through photos and notes I had taken since the late 1990s. There's no guarantee of timeliness here either. Certainly not as much as an import of

Re: [Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/17/2012 9:43 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: Alternatively, maybe cycleway needs an unmarked lane setting for these situations, though that would imply the local authorities are intending for cyclists to use the shoulder, rather than just tolerating their presence (the usual situation). I

Re: [Talk-us] Excellent progress, u.s.

2012-04-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/16/2012 8:56 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: So, we're basically duplicating the existing way and then blessing it. Is this really sufficient - to verify the tainted geometry instead of re-drawing it? Only if the nodes are clean. Another point, at least in SoCal, is that many of our tainted ways

Re: [Talk-us] Excellent progress, u.s.

2012-04-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/16/2012 9:18 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-04-16 14:06, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Or you can simply add odbl=clean if there's nothing ungood about the object (e.g. it was split from a TIGER way and the splitting is something you would have done anyway). Is this really sufficient? Can

Re: [Talk-us] Excellent progress, u.s.

2012-04-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/16/2012 11:04 PM, James Mast wrote: I just saw this post on the rebuild list, so you guys might want to be a tad careful when you're doing cleaning work by creating a new way and keeping the old tainted nodes in it. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/rebuild/2012-April/000206.html

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
One possible enhancement: add a border of the same color as the highway (e.g. red for primary). This would make it easier to identify which highway the shield refers to, which isn't always clear. This may of course be very complicated, in which case never mind.

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/14/2012 2:38 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: If you count out all the emails on the subject, there are probably more emails opposing the network-classification-per-banner approach, but if you count the people expressing opinions on the matter, network-classification-per-banner has a strong majority.

[Talk-us] Gated communities - access=private or destination?

2012-04-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
In the U.S., a gated residential community usually allows anyone in who has a legitimate reason to be there (e.g. visiting a friend, delivering a package, repairing a TV). It seems that this fits access=destination as well as private. Would it be reasonable to tag it as such, and leave

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/13/2012 8:42 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: First off, I still feel that there was a consensus last year on using the network tag for distinct network subsets as well as for mainline roads and you, despite being the only dissenter, continue to argue against something the rest of community more or

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/12/2012 2:59 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Minh Nguyenm...@1ec5.org [2012-04-12 10:06 -0700]: There's an ALT I-75 that needs its own sequence file I had no idea there were alternate Interstates. I added it under network=US:I:Alternate, ref=75. (Right now, it's rendering as regular I-75.)

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/12/2012 3:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: There's also an I-278 Truck in New York City that avoids a piece of the Grand Central Parkway that's closed to large trucks: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2131889 Also I-270 Spur in Maryland, which *is* part of the Interstate Highway

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/11/2012 7:23 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: We're putting the shield images in the public domain (well, we're putting them under a CC0 waiver, which amounts to the same thing semantically), so I don't think the Kentucky Unbridled image would be compatible with that. You might have a problem with

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 10:39 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dturning_circle: There is no central island/reservation to a turning circle—it's simply a wider bit of road. There was a recent discussion on tagging@ in which the 'old guard' refused to accept that it

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 1:53 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On 4/10/2012 11:31 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Another case is with a mini_roundabout - supposedly the center must be flat. But many small circles that fit inside intersections are tagged as mini_roundabouts even if they have a raised island

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 2:23 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: If there's an island in the middle, create a circle around the island, set one-way in the direction of rotation (almost always anticlockwise in North America), intersect with outlet way, copy outlet's tags to the ring (think one-exit roundabout minus the

[Talk-us] Updating of non-Mapnik map options

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've noticed that the only one of the four maps on the OSM main page that has been updating since April Fools has been the 'standard' Mapnik. ITO has also not updated their renderings due to an apparent lack of planet files. Does anyone have information about what's going on here?

Re: [Talk-us] importing bus stops

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 7:39 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I was planning to just use what I know which is highway=bus_stop for the bus stops, and railway=tram_stop for the light rail stops. But now I see that using highway=bus_stop is *very controversial*[1]! If it weren't so blatantly untrue I'd think it

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is there a reason there are no shields or fallback ovals here on Nocatee Parkway? http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=15lat=30.12344lon=-81.39063layers=B0 The way is tagged ref=CR 210 and the relation is network=US:FL:CR:St. Johns ref=210. ___

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Imagery parallax error in high altitude areas

2012-04-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/9/2012 11:01 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: Nathan Edgars II writes: It's not as bad as it seems. Imagery is adjusted using an elevation dataset. Since this data doesn't (and shouldn't) include buildings and bridges, these appear distorted. You'll also see problems where recent

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/8/2012 10:27 AM, Craig Hinners wrote: Chris Lawrencelordsu...@gmail.com: modifier=* would represent MUTCD-type banners attached to the shield This is the first I've heard of this tag. I don't recall it being discussed when we were hashing ideas around on this last summer. (Not that that

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
If you have any questions about real-world shields that aren't answered here, you can sign up for http://www.aaroads.com/forum/ and ask. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/5/2012 8:14 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: New York's parkways have a similar problem with legibility. One of my plans for dealing with them is to use larger shield images at high zoom levels. The Long Island parkways are nice and legible: http://alpsroads.net/roads/ny/ocean/e3.jpg Most other

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I think it's clear from this discussion that we *don't* have any consensus on how best to tag relations for bannered routes. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/2/2012 11:35 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: For things like Florida's toll roads, we currently treat that as a separate network, so a route relation tagged as network=US:FL:Toll, ref=528 would get the toll shield. I've done this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11177509

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/4/2012 11:49 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-04 10:41 -0400]: On 4/2/2012 11:35 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: For things like Florida's toll roads, we currently treat that as a separate network, so a route relation tagged as network=US:FL:Toll, ref=528 would

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/4/2012 12:14 PM, Craig Hinners wrote: Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: It seems that many people see the network tag as not representing a network but a shield design. Does this sound accurate? No, because, where shield designs differ by agency for the same logical network

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/4/2012 1:05 PM, Richard Weait wrote: By analogy, you could map a business by placing a node: amenity=fuel. Or by tracing a building=yes, amenity=fuel. Same thing: you want a generic lozenge shield? ref=123 You want a right, clustered shield? network=US:US:Business:MD, ref=123 And you'd

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/4/2012 1:38 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: And you'd specify the type of fuel using a different tag, not amenity=fuel:diesel. name= would be a separate tag, so would fuel. Indeed. How this is a valid analogy for

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/4/2012 2:43 PM, Chris Lawrence wrote: Renderers can fallback to the longest left-anchored substring they understand for weird things they don't understand. Bad idea. Google Maps does something like this and it results in 'bannered' routes appearing without banners.

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
There seems to be a problem here with US 17-92: http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=12lat=28.96029lon=-81.31906layers=B0 Change over to sign style and a bunch of shields appear. Example tiles (to avoid loading the whole thing): http://elrond.aperiodic.net/mtiles/cutouts/12/1122/1704.png

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/4/2012 10:23 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: There seems to be a problem here with US 17-92: http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=12lat=28.96029lon=-81.31906layers=B0 Change over to sign style and a bunch of shields appear. Example tiles (to avoid loading the whole thing): http

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 10:21 AM, Chris Lawrence wrote: - Secondaries (network US:VA:secondary) don't seem to be rendering at all, and the fallback shields aren't showing up even where there are ref tags (just seems to be using Mapnik style). Simple rule for VA: if the ref= 600, or it has a letter in it,

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 10:54 AM, James Umbanhowar wrote: I don't know if they use Mapnik, but I like the way Stamen places their shields along concurrencies. e.g. http://maps.stamen.com/terrain/#15/39.7542/-86.0373 The problem with this one is that only one shield shows up when the two shields would be

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 11:19 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: A lot of those still don't render because they duplicate the subnetwork in the ref tag, so Loop 5 (picking an arbitrary number) might be represented as network=US:TX:LOOP, ref=5 Loop. Once the ref is changed to a plain 5, it would be rendered properly.

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 11:57 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: FM and RM should render identically (obviously since they're actually the same network) Er no. On roadside assemblies the text FARM ROAD and RANCH ROAD appears, and on green guide signs the shields have FM or RM up top.

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 11:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: That just reminded me... Chicago and Tulsa have city routes. I'm not aware of any such routes in Chicago. Are you thinking of the address numbers that are prominently posted on signs? ___ Talk-us mailing

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 12:06 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: We're looking for US Business routes under a network of US:US:Business. It probably isn't tagged that way. Once it is, it'll show up. Again, you mean if, not once. It's not the job of renderers to force a choice between equally-valid existing tagging

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 12:52 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-03 11:44 -0400]: On 4/3/2012 11:19 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: A lot of those still don't render because they duplicate the subnetwork in the ref tag, so Loop 5 (picking an arbitrary number) might be represented

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 5:19 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: If you want to tag your local routes that way, I won't stop you. But I don't want to have to deal with multiple tagging standards and it seems to me that there's a consensus on this list that network=US:US:Truck, ref=17 is the better approach, so that's

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2012 8:49 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Apr 3, 2012 3:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: That tagging is nonsense. There's no Truck U.S. Highway network, only a U.S. Highway network that includes truck-bannered routes. Correct me if I'm wrong

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/2/2012 8:25 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: Business and similar variants are expected to be in the network tag, since that's the closest thing I've seen to a consensus on the topic. If there's no route relation or the tagging was not understood, we fall back to rendering the ref= tag on the way

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/2/2012 8:25 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: I'm not an expert on every state, so I'm particularly interested in whether things look good to the natives of each state and, if not, what could make them look better. Florida has special toll shields. These are not represented by relations since, for

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/2/2012 11:17 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-02 09:18 -0400]: On 4/2/2012 8:25 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: Business and similar variants are expected to be in the network tag, since that's the closest thing I've seen to a consensus on the topic. You know

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/2/2012 11:40 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/2/2012 11:17 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com [2012-04-02 09:18 -0400]: On 4/2/2012 8:25 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: Business and similar variants are expected to be in the network tag, since that's the closest thing I've

Re: [Talk-us] Addition of building footprints in selected U.S. and Canadian cities

2012-04-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/2/2012 12:18 PM, Richard Weait wrote: I think imports (taking a large number of objects from an external source and placing them in OSM all at once) is bad for the community. Most of you have heard me say this before. I still have no hard evidence to prove it. There is also no hard

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/2/2012 2:27 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: I'm deliberately leaving county routes for a second phase and focusing on state routes for the moment. (New Jersey is an exception, but it was an experiment and I don't actually believe we're using the proper shields for all of its counties.) As far as I

Re: [Talk-us] City boundaries on the Canada/US border

2012-03-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/30/2012 12:55 PM, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jeffrey Ollie [mailto:j...@ocjtech.us] Could this be mitigated somewhat by the use of super relations? IE on relation each for the US-Canada, US-Mexico, US-Pacific, US-Atlantic borders tied together with one super relation? Do any of the tools

Re: [Talk-us] City boundaries on the Canada/US border

2012-03-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/30/2012 3:59 PM, Paul Norman wrote: Yikes, that's complicated. I'm not sure that hatching will help much with a situation like that in general - what if the boundary between two cities is like that? Both would be inside a boundary and have the same shading. It's much less likely that the

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