to actually know the local conditions.
Kerry Irons
From: John F. Eldredge [mailto:j...@jfeldredge.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:43 AM
Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues
By contrast, I am not aware of any Interstate highways
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:
I think the original question is are there bicycle routes that include
Interstate Highways. From what we've learned, Interstate Highways can be
tagged to allow bicycles where permitted by law. But just because
I think last time I doublechecked it, something like 30 or 35 states allow
nonmotorized access to freeways, making those that don't somewhat of a
minority. However, given that 97%(?) of the population of the US lives in
the ~215 lower-48 metropolitan areas (that is, pretty much any city large
This is an interesting conversation. Since I'm on the east coast, I've
never seen a bicycle on a freeway. Since I'm a bit of a road geek, I ask
this very question of my fellow road geeks on our discussion forum. It
seems many states have explicit laws allowing bicycles on the highway.
Follow it
On 1/12/15 2:00 PM, Elliott Plack wrote:
This is an interesting conversation. Since I'm on the east coast, I've
never seen a bicycle on a freeway. Since I'm a bit of a road geek, I
ask this very question of my fellow road geeks on our discussion
forum. It seems many states have explicit laws
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
wrote:
in fact, here in NYS there is a class of trunk-ish roads
called Urban Expressways where bikes and pedestrians
are forbidden; sometimes it's posted but sometimes it's
not.
Having commuted by freeway by bicycle in a
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
wrote:
By contrast, I am not aware of any Interstate highways in the southeast
USA that allow bicycles. From my experience, every entrance ramp has signs
forbidding non-motorized traffic and mopeds.
All the more reason
Regarding the I-5 bicycle route, I looked a bit closer at this. In fact
the route is most of the time on the I-5, but at the northern end in
Portland it actually shows in detail the way cyclists need to take to avoid
the no-cycles bit of the I-5 (see
Did you leave our the word “not” from the last sentence?
Kerry
Oregon Department of Transportation publishes a bike map [1]. I5 is included in
any of their approved routes.
Clifford
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to be a path to chaos but it is up to the OSM
community to make that determination.
Kerry Irons
From: Volker Schmidt [mailto:vosc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 8:35 AM
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues
Regarding the I-5 bicycle
I did! I need more coffee.. It should read:
Oregon Department of Transportation publishes a bike map. I5 is not
included in any of their approved routes.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Kerry Irons irons54vor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Did you leave our the word “not” from the last sentence?
Kerry Irons writes:
By the logic that I-5 in Oregon is tagged as a bike route, then all
roads in the US that don't prohibit bicycles should be tagged
likewise. Obviously that logic is incorrect. There is no body,
official or otherwise, that calls I-5 in Oregon a bike route.
Agreed: see
Okay, why don't we just ask the creator of the relation? I have added Paul
Johnson to the conversation -- he created the first version of the relation
and is usually quite active on this list anyway.
Paul, what was your intention with adding I5 as a bike route?
Harald.
On Sun Jan 11 2015 at
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Kerry Irons irons54vor...@gmail.com
wrote:
The key question here, it seems to me, is whether there is any “official”
body that claims these sections of I-5 to be a bicycle route.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:
I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map) that
bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be the case that
explicit statute specifies bicycles are allowed on I-5 in Oregon, but
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea
mailto:stevea...@softworkers.comstevea...@softworkers.com wrote:
I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map)
that bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be
the case that explicit statute specifies bicycles are
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:09 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com
wrote:
I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map) that
bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be the case
By contrast, I am not aware of any Interstate highways in the southeast USA
that allow bicycles. From my experience, every entrance ramp has signs
forbidding non-motorized traffic and mopeds.
--
John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:43 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
wrote:
By contrast, I am not aware of any Interstate highways in the southeast
USA that allow bicycles. From my experience, every entrance ramp has signs
forbidding non-motorized traffic and mopeds.
John,
I think highway
Hi all,
I've encountered two problematic bike route relations in the US and
would appreciate thoughts as to the best way to deal with them.
One is the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3161159
The other is I-5 in Oregon:
The GDMBR issue seems to be a conflict between tagging for the renderer
and tagging for the router ;). To play a little bit of devil's
advocate, gravel roads are eminently bikeable to many non-mountain
bikes. Bike manufacturers have come out with gravel grinder style
bikes which are really just
Association
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From: James Umbanhowar [mailto:jumba...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 1:28 PM
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues
The GDMBR issue seems to be a conflict between tagging for the renderer and
tagging
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