Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On 04/10/2011 06:25 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 14:00, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: What's the consensus for county roads in the US? I don't know what the consensus is. County roads in California are of the form [A-Z][0-9][0-9]. I tag Orange County route S18 as:

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/13/11 10:44 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/10/2011 06:25 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 14:00, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: What's the consensus for county roads in the US? I don't know what the consensus is. County roads in California are of the form [A-Z][0-9][0-9]. I tag Orange

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Thread Mike N
On 4/13/2011 10:44 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: network=US:CA:Orange + ref=CR S18 I'd drop the CR prefix since that's more of a network identifier than a reference number. Most Interstates, US Highways and most state highways include the network identifier. Why should this be dropped for

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Thread Kristian M Zoerhoff
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:56:51AM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/13/11 10:54 AM, Mike N wrote: On 4/13/2011 10:44 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: network=US:CA:Orange + ref=CR S18 I'd drop the CR prefix since that's more of a network identifier than a reference number. Most

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/13/11 4:18 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:56:51AM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: ways vs. relations. we need the identifier on ways because of the data consumers that expect to render directly. for relations, we should in theory be only including the actual

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/13/2011 4:18 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:56:51AM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: ways vs. relations. we need the identifier on ways because of the data consumers that expect to render directly. for relations, we should in theory be only including the actual

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/11/11 1:47 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Nathan Millsnat...@nwacg.net [2011-04-10 19:22 -0500]: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:14:18 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: How about simply network=US:CA:CR? That's all well and good for California, but what about states like Arkansas (and Florida, IIRC) where

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/11/2011 2:05 PM, Richard Welty wrote: for the California situation, i think there's an obvious answer, as the tertiary network appears to be divided into lettered groups: network=US:CA:A That's not the network any more than US:I:95 is the network for I-195 and other spurs of I-95.

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Thread Nathan Mills
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:47:02 -0400, Phil! Gold wrote: In my opinion, there's too much variation in how each state organizes and numbers its state-and-lower roads to make a uniform, US-wide rule. I would say that state highways should be network=US:ST (where ST is the two-letter state

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Thread Phil! Gold
* Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net [2011-04-11 13:08 -0500]: Without some sort of general agreement between areas (as much as is possible, anyway) it will be very difficult for renderers to do useful things with county road relations. It would be nice if it could be boiled down to a few different

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/11/2011 2:26 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: I've also thought that it would be nice to have a tag like admin_level (perhaps the admin_level tag itself) on relations to indicate which level of government is responsible for maintaining the road. No good. Many local governments maintain portions of

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Thread Phil! Gold
* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2011-04-11 14:31 -0400]: On 4/11/2011 2:26 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: I've also thought that it would be nice to have a tag like admin_level (perhaps the admin_level tag itself) on relations to indicate which level of government is responsible for maintaining

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 5:00 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: I don't want ref tags on these, as the shields will quickly get too cluttered in Mapnik. Don't tag for your preference for what the renderer should do... ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Kristian Zoerhoff
Point taken. I'm still not clear on the correct syntax for the relation, though. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff On Apr 10, 2011 4:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/10/2011 5:00 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: I don't want ref tags on these, as the shields will quickly get too

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 5:19 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: Point taken. I'm still not clear on the correct syntax for the relation, though. It shouldn't really matter as long as it's consistent, now that the new Java XAPI can download relations without their elements. For example,

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/10/11 5:00 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: Would it be: Big Timber Road. network=us_il_kane this is a reasonable network tag for the ways. I don't want ref tags on these, as the shields will quickly get too cluttered in Mapnik. that must be a lot of county roads, i haven't perceived a

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Kristian Zoerhoff
Ah, I didn't realize the rules varied by highway class. These are all tertiary, so this should work out OK. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff On Apr 10, 2011 5:41 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/10/2011 6:34 PM, Richard Welty wrote: that must be a lot of county roads, i haven't

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Mike N
On 4/10/2011 6:34 PM, Richard Welty wrote: Would it be: Big Timber Road. network=us_il_kane this is a reasonable network tag for the ways. I would expect the Interstate and US relation network tagging convention to be extended: Interstate - network=US:I US - network=US:US State

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations (was: REF tags for State Highways on ways)

2011-04-10 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-04-10 14:00, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: What's the consensus for county roads in the US? I don't know what the consensus is. County roads in California are of the form [A-Z][0-9][0-9]. I tag Orange County route S18 as: network=US:CA:Orange + ref=CR S18 -- Alan Mintz

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 7:25 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 14:00, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: What's the consensus for county roads in the US? I don't know what the consensus is. County roads in California are of the form [A-Z][0-9][0-9]. I tag Orange County route S18 as: network=US:CA:Orange +

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Andrew Cleveland
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 17:02 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 16:28, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/10/2011 7:25 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 14:00, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: What's the consensus for county roads in the US? I don't know what the consensus is. County roads in

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Nathan Mills
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:14:18 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: It's almost like they defined super-groups of counties identified by those letters. I'll have to crunch that table to see if that's the case so we could have network=US:CA:S + ref=CR S18. Maybe add an is_in:county tag to the

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Thread Kristian Zoerhoff
Michigan has a similar system, but not very many counties have opted into the system. Illinois' system is unique per county, so US:IL:Kane is what I'll be going with. I even spotted a new route tonight while heading to a hardware store, so I might make that the guinea pig. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff