On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Christopher Covington c...@vt.edu wrote:
I really think we should expand the meaning of the existing restriction
tag. It was originally made for turn restrictions, and currently
supports hours and days of the week, but there's no reason why it
couldn't also
Zeke Farwell wrote:
In this case, I'd say the renderer is right. Both access=private and
access=no mean essentially the same thing - you aren't allowed there without
explicit approval. In the case of access=no, that approval happens to come
from a government agency, but I see no reason
Randy wrote:
Zeke Farwell wrote:
access=seasonal makes sense to me in conjunction with the date_on, and
date_off tags on the wiki.
On and off aren't clear to me. Does on mean open or closed? Probably open,
but it isn't obvious, and might lose something in a language translation.
I think
Zeke Farwell wrote:
The Crown Point bridge is currently closed. Soon it will be demolished.
Then construction on a new one will begin. Because this is the usual
cycle, I think the rendering that is used for roads under construction (dashed
Richard Welty wrote:
On 12/3/09 11:27 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
On 12/3/09 11:00 PM, David Fawcett wrote:
I agree that it would be good to have a standard answer. I am
thinking that the tag should be used for both symbology and
connectivity.
i'm going to try out the suggested
David Fawcett wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to mark up a foot bridge that is closed.
The bridge is still standing, but it is gated off because it is
unsafe.
To me, it doesn't make sense to remove the bridge, like in the case of
a bridge that has been washed out. The bridge is still
Jeff Barlow wrote:
Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com wrote:
There are many roads through the mountains in Vermont that are generally
closed from Nov 1st through May 30th each year due to snow. These could be
tagged as:
closed = Nov-May
or
closed = yearly
closure_dates = Nov-May
The hard
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
My experience with the US Forest Service around Mount Hood is that the
dates are set well in advance.
There seems to be no such predictability to the closing and
opening dates of McKenzie Pass for example. ODOT just closes it
when the snow gets too deep.
I fully support keeping access=* simple, or at least, not making it
more complicated than it is. Closed roads and bridges, for whatever
reason*, should be tagged access=no.
Of course, having additional info would be great. I suppose
description=* would be best for that, as it seems that key's
On 12/4/09 12:45 AM, Zeke Farwell wrote:
something as simple as closed=yes/closed=temporary/closed=indefinite
would seem to suffice.
I like this proposal as it could also encompass regular seasonal
closures. There are many roads through the mountains in Vermont that
are generally
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes:
On 12/3/09 11:27 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
On 12/3/09 11:00 PM, David Fawcett wrote:
I agree that it would be good to have a standard answer. I am
thinking that the tag should be used for both symbology and
connectivity.
i'm going
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote:
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes:
and now that i've seen it, the mapnik rendering is not distinguishable
from access=private
on the other hand, we don't tag to get a specific rendering effect from
an
for that matter, there are roads in the Alps that don't get plowed,
are there any european mappers following this list who know
if those get tagged for seasonal closure, and if so, how?
I've seen a variety of discussions about seasonal closures on the wiki, but
none with lasting results.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com wrote:
In this case, I'd say the renderer is right. Both access=private and
access=no mean essentially the same thing - you aren't allowed there without
explicit approval. In the case of access=no, that approval happens to come
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
There are perfectly safe roads which are in perfect condition, but which
are closed.
For example, the bridge between Ellis Island and the mainland of New
Jersey. Should that be tagged with access=private, access=no,
access=closed,
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com wrote:
Here are all the reasons for a road existing but being closed
(distinguished from private) that I can think of:
- Under construction (this already has a tagging sytem)
- Damaged or blocked by disaster.
Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com wrote:
There are many roads through the mountains in Vermont that are generally
closed from Nov 1st through May 30th each year due to snow. These could be
tagged as:
closed = Nov-May
or
closed = yearly
closure_dates = Nov-May
The hard part would be getting
Jeff Barlow wrote:
Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com wrote:
There are many roads through the mountains in Vermont that are generally
closed from Nov 1st through May 30th each year due to snow. These could be
tagged as:
closed = Nov-May
or
closed = yearly
closure_dates = Nov-May
The hard
Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote:
access=seasonal, with a second tag for open or closed dates?
In the case of the mountain passes I have in mind the dates are
chosen each year by mother nature.
--
Jeff Barlow
WB6CSV
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On 12/4/09 11:03 PM, Zeke Farwell wrote:
I probably should move this conversation to the tagging list at this
point. Is it just tagg...@openstreetmap.org
mailto:tagg...@openstreetmap.org?
yes, and if you want to work up a proposal, feel free. i had said i
would do it, but i just found
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com wrote:
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I think access=no make sense for any closed road/bridge, but I'd like some
supporting tags to supply the rest of the information.
That would be nice. I'd hope that the mapper reporting the closed
bridge in this case
If you have
a look at how bride=yes, access=closed renders
It probably should have a marriage=unhappy to cover that case :-)
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I am trying to figure out how to mark up a foot bridge that is closed.
The bridge is still standing, but it is gated off because it is
unsafe.
To me, it doesn't make sense to remove the bridge, like in the case of
a bridge that has been washed out. The bridge is still standing, but
I want to be
On 12/3/09 9:44 PM, David Fawcett wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to mark up a foot bridge that is closed.
The bridge is still standing, but it is gated off because it is
unsafe.
To me, it doesn't make sense to remove the bridge, like in the case of
a bridge that has been washed out.
I am trying to figure out how to mark up a foot bridge that is closed.
The bridge is still standing, but it is gated off because it is
unsafe.
To me, it doesn't make sense to remove the bridge, like in the case of
a bridge that has been washed out. The bridge is still standing, but
I
What's wrong with access=no?
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:44 PM, David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to mark up a foot bridge that is closed.
The bridge is still standing, but it is gated off because it is
unsafe.
To me, it doesn't make sense to remove the bridge, like in the case of
Also you can use the description tag for any additional explanation:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:description
-Kate
Try access=no, which I think works with mapnik rendering.
You can use that in combination with other tags, like closed=yes or
whatever else you think is
On 12/3/09 10:28 PM, Seth Fitzsimmons wrote:
for that matter, marking roads closed would be good as well. i know of
several examples of closed
roads and bridges in upstate NY that may or may not be reopened
depending on rehab/replacement,
etc.
something as simple as
I agree that it would be good to have a standard answer. I am
thinking that the tag should be used for both symbology and
connectivity.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
On 12/3/09 10:28 PM, Seth Fitzsimmons wrote:
for that matter, marking roads
On 12/3/09 11:00 PM, David Fawcett wrote:
I agree that it would be good to have a standard answer. I am
thinking that the tag should be used for both symbology and
connectivity.
i'm going to try out the suggested access=no/description=blahblahblah method
see what i think about it.
On 12/3/09 11:27 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
On 12/3/09 11:00 PM, David Fawcett wrote:
I agree that it would be good to have a standard answer. I am
thinking that the tag should be used for both symbology and
connectivity.
i'm going to try out the suggested
The Crown Point bridge
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28436071) comes to mind; it's
constructed of non-reinforced concrete and was essentially condemned
recently with only a few hours notice
(
http://www.poststar.com/news/local/article_e77cd748-ba8b-11de-9ff0-001cc4c03286.html
).
something as simple as closed=yes/closed=temporary/closed=indefinite
would seem to suffice.
I like this proposal as it could also encompass regular seasonal closures.
There are many roads through the mountains in Vermont that are generally
closed from Nov 1st through May 30th each year due
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