Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Hunter
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 09/09/2009 12:05 PM, Chris Hunter wrote: yes, yes, yes - this is the most sane summary of the road/track debate I've seen in quite a while. Of course, it also reopens the track/path argument, but I'll leave that

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 14:18 -0400, Paul Fox wrote: alex wrote: On 09/06/2009 05:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I would tend to go with highway=track unless the street in question is a gravelled over macadam or some other semi-paved surface mostly because I would expect that this

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-09 Thread Alex Mauer
On 09/08/2009 02:19 PM, Paul Fox wrote: and that most true dirt roads are unnamed. perhaps. but i'd say that's mostly only true if they're not publicly accessible. any sort of public right-of-way usually comes with at least a locally-assigned number: Forest Route NN, or Fire Road

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-09 Thread Paul Fox
let me ask a simplifying (for me) question. i want to encourage a group of motorcycling friends to help update OSM so that it accurately reflects road surface, for roads that are currently undifferentiated in that regard. the single most important thing that needs to be captured is whether the

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-09 Thread Paul Fox
richard wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Paul Foxp...@foxharp.boston.ma.us wrote: let me ask a simplifying (for me) question. i want to encourage a group of motorcycling friends to help update OSM so that it accurately reflects road surface, for roads that are currently

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-09 Thread Dale Puch
I have been reading thru these posts and havn't seen a consensus/summary yet. In my view it should be reasonably straight forward based on the tags we have. The point is to describe what is actually there. highway= is for the type of road regardless of condition. A paved surface is assumed

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-09 Thread Chris Hunter
yes, yes, yes - this is the most sane summary of the road/track debate I've seen in quite a while. Of course, it also reopens the track/path argument, but I'll leave that to others to battle out. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I have been reading thru

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-09 Thread Chris Hunter
Paul, Thanks for the reminder about the US Tagging page, I forgot to add it to my watchlist in the wiki and it's definitely grown since my last read-through. Regarding the whole road vs. track vs. path debate, I think the only way of resolving the whole track/tracktype (

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-08 Thread Alex Mauer
On 09/06/2009 05:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I would tend to go with highway=track unless the street in question is a gravelled over macadam or some other semi-paved surface mostly because I would expect that this applies to at least the majority of named roads... most routing engines and all

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-08 Thread Paul Fox
alex wrote: On 09/06/2009 05:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I would tend to go with highway=track unless the street in question is a gravelled over macadam or some other semi-paved surface mostly because I would expect that this applies to at least the majority of named roads... i

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-08 Thread Alex Mauer
On 09/08/2009 01:18 PM, Paul Fox wrote: alex wrote: On 09/06/2009 05:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I would tend to go with highway=track unless the street in question is a gravelled over macadam or some other semi-paved surface mostly because I would expect that this applies to at

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 21:12 -0700, Dion Dock wrote: Hello, In my neighborhood there are some unpaved residential streets. How should those be tagged? highway=track highway=residential surface=unpaved I would tend to go with highway=track unless the street in question is

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 21:49 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 07:30 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: It depends on what the road is like. If it's a decent dirt road that normal cars routinely drive on, has a street name, is considered a

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Richard Weait
Hi Paul and Greg and talk-us, Your points regarding tagging of gravel roads, highway vs. path vs. trail, and vehicle choice are points that come up in the OSM community from time to time. For further discussion and to see how previous discussions have resolved, consider looking up the discussion

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Paul Johnsonba...@ursamundi.org wrote: There are streets in my town (Stow, MA) that are definitely not paved that I have driven on with a Saturn SC2 and not had a problem. OK, but can you drive them in a PT Cruiser Touring Edition, a Porche 911, or some other

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
full support for all your arguments. there are a few places where the wiki is different and I think we should change these definitions. 1) National Forest Service, Bureau of Indian Affairs, Power Administration, and Bureau of Land Management routes . highway (required) track or tertiary

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 11:40 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: I think people most tag according to importance anyway. this brings us to the topic of tiger import again. there are too many roads tagged as residential. Agreed. You'd think after people complaining after the first one, the

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 07:30 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: It depends on what the road is like. If it's a decent dirt road that normal cars routinely drive on, has a street name, is considered a public or private way by the town, then it's

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-06 Thread Greg Troxel
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Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 07:30 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: It depends on what the road is like. If it's a decent dirt road that normal cars routinely drive on, has a street name, is considered a public or private way by the town, then it's

[Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-03 Thread Nakor
Hello, In my neighborhood there are some unpaved residential streets. How should those be tagged? highway=track highway=residential surface=unpaved BTW does highway=residential imply surface=paved? Thanks in advance, N. ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-03 Thread Paul Fox
ian wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Nakor nakor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, In my neighborhood there are some unpaved residential streets. How should those be tagged? highway=track highway=residential surface=unpaved That's how I've been doing it.

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-03 Thread Alex Mauer
On 09/03/2009 09:17 AM, Ian Dees wrote: No tag should ever imply any other tag. It's always better to be more verbose than not. No it's not. Are you seriously putting oneway=no (just to name one example) on every street you tag? -Alex Mauer hawke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital