Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-27 18:04 GMT+01:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Could you include the new node in the relation as role=label? That's at least somewhat documented... mapping labels is generally disputed, as a label is something the dataconsumer creates to display information, it is not

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
Well, I think a a huge difference between the Hollywood Sign and Mount Rushmore is Mount Rushmore is clearly a site dedicated to the monument. The Hollywood Sign, IIRC, is on public property left flat save for the sign, with no special status. Furthermore, the individual letters are obviously

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm willing to argue both cases. Having a role=label relation may be useful where it may be otherwise ambiguous to properly form a cogent label. However, in the Hollywood sign's case, just rendering each letter as a label would be obvious to most people (albeit somewhat unusual) and helpful

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-26 18:30 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com: That was me -- but I would argue it's an unusual way to tag it -- it's not the individual letters that are important, it's the whole piece. yes, that is clear, and the data in OSM also reflected this by having a site relation to

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Could you include the new node in the relation as role=label? That's at least somewhat documented... On Thursday, November 27, 2014, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-26 18:30 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-25 16:48 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com: Interesting, but now it doesn't render. I saw it was gone and worried somebody from that article took it off. Can we include a point in the relation for it, so that it does render? Someone has indeed done this. IMHO we shouldn't

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-26 Thread Andrew Wiseman
That was me -- but I would argue it's an unusual way to tag it -- it's not the individual letters that are important, it's the whole piece. You wouldn't tag each president in Mount Rushmore and leave it at that, right? To me the letters are secondary and to the whole. The FDR Memorial in DC is the

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-26 Thread Minh Nguyen
The individual letter ways are currently tagged tourism=artwork. There's an outstanding request to have the Standard stylesheet render such ways: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/855 In the meantime, would it be too much of a stretch to tag them barrier=wall too?

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-24 22:28 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com: The trails mentioned in the article seem to be present in OSM, although with the gates mentioned: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3202722073#map=16/34.1339/-118.3214 I have deleted this (recent) node, because the object was

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-25 Thread Andrew Wiseman
Interesting, but now it doesn't render. I saw it was gone and worried somebody from that article took it off. Can we include a point in the relation for it, so that it does render? Andrew On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-24 22:28

[Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-24 Thread Andrew Wiseman
Hi all, first time post here (hope I'm doing everything right.) There's an interesting article at Gizmodo about erasing the Hollywood sign from Google Maps, Bing Maps, Apple Maps etc -- people who live on roads nearby were complaining about hikers and tourists, and they got the LA City Council,