Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

Oh, I have certainly seen drivers do that (my first-ever traffic accident was when the cars in the oncoming lanes stopped to let me make a turn, and then I was hit by a car driving down the shoulder). The police consider it reckless driving, however, and will cite you for it. -- John F.

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Jim McAndrew wrote: > Sorry for the google maps links on this, but I've found NJ's use of > shoulders (or "curb lanes") as bike lanes kind of strange. I would tag this > as cycleway=lane but nothing for shoulder. Those aren't shoulders, those are

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. People who try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic citations.

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Mike Dupont < jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: > These are used as an extra turning lane for cars, so going around > corners can be dangerous for cyclists or joggers or walkers who all > share them. Is that common practice or is there legal precident? I

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

Normally yes. But just north of Atlanta we have a freeway called Georgia 400, and several miles of it are signed that the shoulder lanes are allowed for all motor vehicle traffic between certain hours, albeit with a lower spec limit than the regular lanes. -jack On October 16, 2015 4:29:32

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

Here in NJ they pass you on the right on these lanes, it is totally insane. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM, John Eldredge wrote: > My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving > lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > Mike, > > I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. > I've seen lanes used quite a bit, especially after the maproulette for that, though rather haphazardly since people participating in that

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Mike Dupont wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > A hard shoulder is not a bike lane and should not be tagged as such. > > > If you look at the supporting document some sections

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps recommending that the routing tools consider that. In this case there is no official bike lane, just a shoulder. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:01 AM Mike Dupont wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Paul

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Elliott Plack wrote: > I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps recommending that > the routing tools consider that. In this case there is no official bike > lane, just a shoulder. > This is also my preferred solution, as

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

Elliott Plack wrote: > I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps > recommending that the routing tools consider that. I'd be genuinely delighted to add shoulder support to cycle.travel when there's more than a trace number of shoulder tags present in the OSM database - missing

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

These are used as an extra turning lane for cars, so going around corners can be dangerous for cyclists or joggers or walkers who all share them. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Jack Burke wrote: > Wait, question: > > Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > A hard shoulder is not a bike lane and should not be tagged as such. If you look at the supporting document some sections are declared as bikable by the city planning. there are share the road signs in some areas. I am

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > cycleway=lane I think these are just shoulders used for biking not bike lanes. I have not seen any bike lanes so far. -- James Michael DuPont Kansas Linux Fest http://kansaslinuxfest.us Free/Libre Open Source and Open

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

Take a look at this map of the area http://www.dvrpc.org/asp/bikemercer/ It would not be used as a source, but it gives you an idea of what people call bike-able around here. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Elliott Plack wrote: >> I am now

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

Sorry for the google maps links on this, but I've found NJ's use of shoulders (or "curb lanes") as bike lanes kind of strange. I would tag this as cycleway=lane but nothing for shoulder. For example: (note the trash can in the "lane")

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Mike, I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain

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Wait, question: Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for motor vehicles as well? --jack On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > Mike, > > I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the > cycleway