Re: [Talk-us] Things that are not buildings but are used as one

2015-06-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 01.06.2015 um 16:40 schrieb Jack Burke burke...@gmail.com: Is it correct to tag a non-building object with building=yes if it is functionally used as one? although it may not be semantically correct, the building tag is indeed used like this. Please note that also many structures

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: [OHM] Fwd: moving data from OSM to OHM - what should the markers be?

2015-05-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 18.05.2015 um 15:11 schrieb Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: in OSM, i tag at least the basic, visible course as highway=track, with start_date and end_date when known (which is usually the case for US and Canada tracks - i have references which I am not familiar with the

Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

2015-04-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 11.04.2015 um 16:47 schrieb Steve Friedl st...@unixwiz.net: but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn’t look right, so maybe I’m doing something wrong. don't worry, the current rendering of house numbers is more aiming at the mappers (to give an idea of

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-04-08 9:05 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: The wiki already explains: they hold a trademark for GR which makes using the official names of the routes essentially impossible in and for material they hold protection for and further they seem to claim copyright on the routes

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-04-04 16:46 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: Sorry for the late answer, been on the road for two days and now are on a rather flaky network connection. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes#France for a very short synopsis of the GR issue. is this something the

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-22 4:00 GMT+01:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: At its most basic, OSM is a geospatial database. We have countries, states, counties, and cities. Why not neighborhoods. OSM tells where a feature is located. Points can only tell us how close a feature is to a node. Using nodes

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-18 3:48 GMT+01:00 Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com: (IMO the “Bender’s Corner” hamlet should probably just be deleted outright. I live near it and there really is no such thing.) or maybe keep it as a historical place name, something like place=locality and old_name=Bender's

Re: [Talk-us] Weigh stations on Interstates

2015-03-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-16 17:33 GMT+01:00 Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com: In continuing mapping destination tag on highways based on Mapillary imagery, I've come across the problem of how to tag weigh stations on Interstate highways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weigh_station). I haven't found anything in

Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-08 16:12 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If someone pulls the cord or there's someone waiting at it, yes. But it's not like a bus station where the bus will always stop regardless

Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 07.03.2015 um 20:34 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: How do we deal with bus stops that exist in transit schedules but have no physical presence? does the bus stop always at the same stop? Where would you wait if you wanted to take the bus at this stop? Or is it just for

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-05 1:14 GMT+01:00 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com: What I understand Martin Koppenhoefer to say are essentially the same things, but I'm not sure if he understands (or agrees) with Escondido having large areas marked as landuse=residential. These are not simply zoned residential

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-03 18:55 GMT+01:00 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com: What Hans calls a mega residential area is actually local zoning which says that all properties (parcels) in a given area are zoned residential. While not strictly true that each square meter of this area has residential buildings

Re: [Talk-us] Place classifications

2015-01-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-09 12:45 GMT+01:00 Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us: but more importantly, it accurately reflects what going to town means in the surrounding area. That seems to be the idea behind the wiki's nebulous definitions. +1 cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] User randomly adding speed limits across the US

2014-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-30 4:09 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: We have a similar convention in the US for doing that, though usually requires tagging traffic_sign=maxspeed, maxspeed=?? mph in a few places, since there's often multiple steps from rural speeds to town speeds when entering a town

Re: [Talk-us] User randomly adding speed limits across the US

2014-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-01 17:05 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: We just get crazy with it. The two signs below tend to be common in Oklahoma. Entering most towns you see a sign similar to this one: http://imgur.com/QhYtLhl so what's the limit in alleys then? ;-) cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] User randomly adding speed limits across the US

2014-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-01 18:41 GMT+01:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: I wonder if adding default maxspeed to the city admin boundaries would be an easy way to post these city/county limits? The alternative is to add the maxspeed to every highway segment in a city. we're doing the latter around

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-27 18:04 GMT+01:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Could you include the new node in the relation as role=label? That's at least somewhat documented... mapping labels is generally disputed, as a label is something the dataconsumer creates to display information, it is not

Re: [Talk-us] Updating tagging of public transport

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-27 21:08 GMT+01:00 Saikrishna Arcot saiarcot...@gmail.com: Not sure if this is the right list or the tagging list is better, but I see some bus and subway routes in the Atlanta area that use the older version of tagging public transport routes. Should these be updated to use the newer

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-26 18:30 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com: That was me -- but I would argue it's an unusual way to tag it -- it's not the individual letters that are important, it's the whole piece. yes, that is clear, and the data in OSM also reflected this by having a site relation to

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-25 10:59 GMT+01:00 Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de: admin_levels have been invented in order that different borders can be rendered consistently among countries according to the wiki[1]. +1, that's also what I am after. That's also what I remember. State eqivalent doesn't mean

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-25 16:48 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com: Interesting, but now it doesn't render. I saw it was gone and worried somebody from that article took it off. Can we include a point in the relation for it, so that it does render? Someone has indeed done this. IMHO we shouldn't

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-24 21:18 GMT+01:00 Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us: Assuming this table reflects the actual state of the map, most countries have chosen 4 for their state equivalents. Actually, many countries do not have something like a state equivalent, it is a particularity of the USA

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-24 22:28 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com: The trails mentioned in the article seem to be present in OSM, although with the gates mentioned: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3202722073#map=16/34.1339/-118.3214 I have deleted this (recent) node, because the object was

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-24 18:05 GMT+01:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: ...and German states and Swiss cantons are admin_level=4 according to the previously-linked page. yes, I am coming from a German-Italian perspective, where Italian regions are clearly less sovereign than German states,

Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns

2014-11-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-18 18:41 GMT+01:00 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com: Martin Koppenhoefer writes: The latter example shouldn't probably be mapped in OSM, as there is literally nothing left now, while the former is still there, it is simply degraded by the water and not visible most of the time due

Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns

2014-11-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-14 21:44 GMT+01:00 tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de: Am 14.11.2014 19:15, schrieb Jack Burke: What about submerged ones? Do we bother with those? if we stumble over them, why not and it sounds for my as if those towns are still structures of reality yes, another example

Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns

2014-11-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-17 15:27 GMT+01:00 tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de: Generally if a structure is gone, I would delete it. yes, but it is mostly difficult to say it is gone, because most cases aren't that absolute then this. If you search for Heuersdorf in osm, you'll only get a hit by geonames

Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns

2014-11-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-10 6:07 GMT+01:00 Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com: Anyone know if we map ghost towns in osm? Couldn't find anything, not even a tag. I think there should also be a place tag, e.g. place=locality (for a generic uninhabited place), but that is really generic so something more

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a seasonally closed roads with uncertain spring opening

2014-11-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 03.11.2014 um 16:03 schrieb Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: seems access=seasonal isn't in wide use but would be correct I think that this is not so nice tagging as it doesn't say anything about which season you'll be allowed to access. I would suggest conditional access, see the

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Fresno castradal imports

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Sorry for warming up this thread, I found it because I was looking for additional information after I found distorting statistics in taginfo. Please note that this import has significant impact on the world wide statistics for all objects with landuse=residential tags. There are lots of tags that

Re: [Talk-us] changeset 25081346 spanning contiguous United States

2014-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-06 18:33 GMT+02:00 Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us: I don't think that sweeping changes like this across large geographic areas should be made without communication of some kind. Yes, you are right, there are also guidelines/policies for this kind of edit, which do indeed require

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 21:23, Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com ha scritto: It has nothing to do with being on the OSM US Board. I was on it for two years..we discussed editing, Neither of which had any bearing on that candidates experience with editing.

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 20:13, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org ha scritto: There are many, many ways that someone could be experienced with OSM and a valuable contributor while never having made a single edit. I'm not sure, how would someone know what it is about without

Re: [Talk-us] Help with revert : Drag moved street in Denver

2014-09-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-09-23 8:29 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: The original edit dragged a road, disconnecting at multiple points. usually disconnections shouldn't happen by a simple drag. At least in JOSM (but I believe also in the other editors), you'd have to actively disconnect the nodes.

Re: [Talk-us] Help with revert : Drag moved street in Denver

2014-09-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 23/set/2014, alle ore 10:08, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: What might have caused the original issue? no idea, possible reasons include un glueing connection nodes or deleting the last way segment before the connection (in Josm shift click in delete mode)

Re: [Talk-us] Speed limit sign tagging

2014-09-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 20/set/2014, alle ore 03:13, Nate Wessel bike...@gmail.com ha scritto: Which street does a sign right at an intersection belong to? I'm not sure how best to deal with that. I've been mapping signs for some years, in the very most cases the positions aside the highway are

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-09-16 7:27 GMT+02:00 Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com: Woot! Woot! If you are adding a speed limit to a node where a sign is located and if you add traffic_sign=maxspeed along with your maxspeed=25 mph, then JOSM will show you a cute little sign verses a blue dot.

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I also suggest to add source:maxspeed=sign along with maxspeed=* to ways with signposted maxspeed (especially when the sign posted speed equals the default speed, because this will keep those speedlimits in place for the case that the legislation changes and you'd want to update default speed

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-09-15 16:59 GMT+02:00 Ed Hillsman hills...@pobox.com: I agree there is a need to have a way to deal with this. Where I have checked a street, in both directions, for a posted speed limit and found none, I tag the street as maxspeed=unposted, source:maxspeed=survey. This makes it clear

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 14/set/2014, alle ore 06:34, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org ha scritto: Is it maxspeed:source or source:maxspeed? invented as source:maxspeed and also most used cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-09-09 17:47 GMT+02:00 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org: I'm of the opinion that wherever the speed limit is just the default for that road class, it should not need to be posted at all. Any data user can then infer limits. I don't know how this is handled in the US, but in Europe you

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 10/set/2014, alle ore 20:15, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com ha scritto: The more I think about it, tagging each way is a bit like (incorrect) tagging for the router, basically creating a maintenance headache and cluttering the OSM database with stuff the current router and

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Montag, 8. September 2014 schrieb Tod Fitch : How does this sound? +1 Cheers, Martin -- Martin Koppenhoefer (Dipl-Ing. Arch.) Via del Santuario Regina degli Apostoli, 18 00145 Roma |I|I|I|I|I|I|I|I| Italia N41.851

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 23:41, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: The concept of hierarchy still exists for hiking trails, motorcycle routes, paths, stairs, walkways. For stairs, walkways and paths I am not so sure, usually when walking you'll take the shortest

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle) can only be path in osm Cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 30/ago/2014, alle ore 10:33, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net ha scritto: Russ Nelson wrote: I fear that the deletionism infection has jumped from Wikipedia to OpenStreetMap. ...is exactly what I was going to say. Seriously, OSM in the US, outside a few cities, is

Re: [Talk-us] More road name expansion thoughts

2014-07-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 23/lug/2014 um 05:10 schrieb Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: I also like the idea sign_name tag. If you build a routing engine, you might want to show the sign name as it appears on the street, as a side note there are already few occurrences of signed_name but none of

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping Space Ports

2014-07-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-14 19:38 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen e...@christensenplace.us: I've not figured out the proper way to map a launch pad. the whole complex could get some spaceport tag, e.g. man_made=spaceport or aeroway=spaceport or amenity=... The launch_pad could be tagged aeroway=launch_pad

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping Space Ports

2014-07-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-15 18:01 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen e...@christensenplace.us: The launch_pad could be tagged aeroway=launch_pad There seem to be 7 aeroway=launchpad in the current db: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aeroway#values I hadn't thought to look there. The wiki doesn't seem to

Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications

2014-07-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-03 17:36 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Just trying to process this: wouldn't a tracktype 1 be tagged as unclassified or residential anyway? Or to ask a different way, assuming that roads with houses should be tagged as residential, when should one tag a

Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications

2014-07-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-03 18:26 GMT+02:00 Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com: Highway=service implies a private road, though; AFAIK only some service like service=driveway are generally private=yes, while parking _aisle, alley or generic service might be public roads. cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications

2014-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 02/lug/2014, alle ore 01:36, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org ha scritto: Added a comment to the discussion section of that page as well: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:OSM_tags_for_routing#Authority.3F I agree, maybe the best would be to delete this page? It contains

Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications

2014-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-02 16:07 GMT+02:00 Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com: IMO (based on both the wiki and what I've seen on the map), highway=track implies something that is not reasonably drivable by normal passenger cars at a normal rate of travel. Actually this will depend on the setting, in

Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications

2014-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 01/lug/2014, alle ore 20:15, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com ha scritto: Similarly to how default tile server shapes tagging, scout, skobbler , osmand, etc, and the other widely used OSM routing applications will inevitably shape tagging. It would be useful to

Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications

2014-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 01/lug/2014, alle ore 23:15, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com ha scritto: For example, scout does not route over highway=tracks, unless you are in pedestrian mode. It seems like a reasonable decision, perhaps all of the routers do this, no, some routers do use tracks

Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP

2014-06-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-06-25 12:37 GMT+02:00 Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us: Postal cities aren't currently tagged as areas, only tag values on individual POIs and buildings. there is the key postal_code to be used on areas (and streets), I am not sure if Nominatim evaluates it, but could be.

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 09/mag/2014 um 01:09 schrieb Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: I wonder if a search for the nearest street would provide a clue to the router? Not as exact as having either a named way or a relationship. IMHO we shouldn't advocate for a mapping method where you have to guess,

Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-08 11:58 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: Being an American has nothing to do with a really bad data design. I've been an American 35 years and I think this is really not a good way to model sidewalks. +1, agree, my main concern is that as pedestrian you can actually

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-08 16:32 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: 1. Why map sidewalks This is a judgement call. In NYC it's reasonable to assume that a road has a sidwalk. It would be better to map roads without sidwalks than roads with them, because a vast majority of roads have sidewalks.

Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-08 17:46 GMT+02:00 James Umbanhowar jumba...@gmail.com: Could this problem be alleviated with a tag on the separately mapped footway, e.g. road_name? Or even just addr:street? why not make it simple and use name? As long as the sidewalk is part of the road this would be correct.

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] fleet manager speed limit import proposal (Canada, USA)

2014-04-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-04-03 14:45 GMT+02:00 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: Introduction: I have a source for posted speed limit data. This thread begins the discussion of the data, the origin and quality of the data, and the suitability of the data to OpenStreetMap. does it contain the positions of

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 17/mar/2014 um 02:28 schrieb Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com: If I need to split a building, the original primary key does not stay with one of the two pieces of the building. Two new buildings are created with two new primary keys. as a side note this is not like you

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-18 1:32 GMT+01:00 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: The tagging of things bears little resemblance to things in the real world: I agree, first of all, i tried to explain to someone how to tag a cafe/bar and

Re: [Talk-us] Is the distinction between path and track dependent upon...

2014-03-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-10 16:36 GMT+01:00 Russell Deffner russell.deff...@hotosm.org: should we just add access=non_motorized , or similar (not looking at the wiki to see if that's an actual tag). the actual tagging is motor_vehicle=no / private (in the case of authorized only). If different access

Re: [Talk-us] Is the distinction between path and track dependent upon...

2014-03-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-10 16:54 GMT+01:00 Russell Deffner russell.deff...@hotosm.org: Can we use motor_vehicle=restricted ? Not sure what the meaning of restricted is, you can see all common values on the access-page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access the common value for you may generally

Re: [Talk-us] historic schools (amenity=school; name= * (historical)

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-04 11:38 GMT+01:00 Theodin theo...@posteo.de: which are rendered on the map with their name. Are there any ideas for a better tagging as most of them (all?) arent really schools any more. I tagged some as historic=school which was in the database 80 times. Any better ideas? they

Re: [Talk-us] historic schools (amenity=school; name= * (historical)

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-04 15:32 GMT+01:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: We don't store historical information in OSM. There are other projects which do, but OSM looks at what's currently in the ground. yes, and no, we do store in small niches also historic information in the main project, e.g. with

Re: [Talk-us] Aerial Imagery for Chittenden County, VT

2014-02-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 13/feb/2014 um 05:15 schrieb Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu: [1] I've withheld the URL as they haven't publicized it and I don't want to be the cause of their server being hammered, but if you have some use for the original data, let me know. if they offer a WMS service we

Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town

2014-01-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29/gen/2014 um 20:14 schrieb Sebastian Arcus s.ar...@open-t.co.uk: I assume a place doesn't need to have both a node and a way. Actually having both a node and a polygon is the best. If you delete either you'll loose information. cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Using 'Kort' outside of Switzerland

2014-01-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/18 Peter Davies peter.dav...@crc-corp.com Would it depend on (say) whether or not the street is actually posted in Japanese as well as in English? Or should another criterion be suggested? the name tag is not only about street names. Think of famous monuments or important cities,

[Talk-us] Finding deleted objects, WAS Re: what happened to the Mt. Hood National Forest?

2014-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/17 Dion Dock dion_d...@comcast.net BTW, how does one find an area that was deleted? there are a series of tools and ways to achieve this. You can a) find the object ID (nodes, ways and relations) in an older file (e.g. by downloading it and cutting it to a small bounding box so you

Re: [Talk-us] Feature Proposal - RFC - Marijuana

2014-01-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/3 Russell Deffner russdeff...@gmail.com Maybe more so if you are in Colorado, as sales of Marijuana to adults (for recreation/any use) began the morning of the first. Therefor I propose the usage of shop=marijuana for this new business, have created a wiki-page for the proposal -

Re: [Talk-us] South Carolina State Highways - primary overload

2013-12-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/11 Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com I think the reason why things like this happen is because the highway tagging scheme in OSM was modeled off of UK's road-classification system and really isn't compatible with the road-classification system in the US. it is mainly the names that

Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United States

2013-12-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/11 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com Personally, I tag big box stores like Target, KMart, WalMart etc with shop=department_store, just because that seems like the closest fit that isn't too restrictive (they're much more than a supermarket, to my mind). a supermarket can sell

Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United States

2013-12-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 11/dic/2013 um 21:26 schrieb Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: a walmart super center consists of a walmart discount department store, a walmart supermarket, and a suite of the various in store services. i think you need a separate node because - citizen's bank, pizza hut, nathan's

Re: [Talk-us] South Carolina State Highways - primary overload

2013-12-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/9 James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com There is no way almost all of the State Highways in SC can be primary. Just look at almost any other state. None are overloaded with primaries. +1, also there are almost no secondary highways which also seems strange. cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] South Carolina State Highways - primary overload

2013-12-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/9 Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com Even weirder: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/34.3071/-80.9977 is this stretch of SC 34 that goes primary-secondary-primary for no real reason I can see. +1, this one should probably be primary. cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/5 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org I think the unsigned_ref practice is so common here that we should just keep that practice. Perhaps also a good one to document on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Directions_In_The_United_States may not be the best place for it

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/30 Peter Davies peter.dav...@crc-corp.com So we have way ref I 394 instead of I 394;US 12. For my applications I'd prefer it said I 394;US 12, because we need to track the overlaps (which we and our 10 state DOT customers call double banding). But if you also want to suppress

Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

2013-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/29 Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.com I looked at the following items mentioned in the set of responses: The Garmin eTrex series (most specifically the 30; if one is going to get it, might as well get the best one available); the Columbus V-900 (and V-990); the AMOD AGL3080; the

Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

2013-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/26 Dion Dock dion_d...@comcast.net I've used a Garmin GPSmap 60CSx. I think it records a point every second--or maybe it's every 5--I can't find the setting in the menus at the moment. Saving tracks to the micro SD card will strip off their timestamps and OSM rejects tracks without

Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

2013-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/26 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net the eTrex units seem to be much more accurate than the entry level auto units from Garmin. i'm intrigued though, by Martin's description of the 60CSx (which appears to have been replaced in the Garmin lineup by the 62CS). I'm not sure if I

Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

2013-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I'm using a Garmin GPS Map 60csx for years and do have very good experience with it, it is now discontinued but the successor is still available (the differences between the models is mostly the sensors: barometer or not, electronic compass or not). You should be able to get something like this

Re: [Talk-us] take responsibility, not control.

2013-11-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/18 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Repair or revert data that is incorrect. Get help from a more-experienced mapper if you haven't done this before. Thank you Richard for this post. Very true that every single mapper can try to make contact with other mappers in his surroundings and

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-11-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/18 Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net I'm still confused as to why the consumers of a relation can't use the forward/backward roles of the ways referenced therein rather than requiring completely separate relations. Why do we need two or more relations plus a super relation per road route

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

2013-11-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 08/nov/2013 um 18:15 schrieb Ivan Komarov jkoma...@gmail.com: I'd vote for introducing a new tag, that is highway=ferry_link, rather than trying to use an existing one that does not describe the object correctly. There used to be and there will be disputes on this topic unless we have

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

2013-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/7 Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.com It's the other way around, really. We're adjusting our routing logic to adapt to OSM. Referring to the wiki, a service road is 'Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park,

Re: [Talk-us] Admin borders in the US

2013-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/7 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org I would not dispute at all that administrative boundaries are an important component of any map. OSM is not really just a map though - it is a database you can make a map out of among many other things, and a very unique database at that: one created

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

2013-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/15 Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us ** Example A ** Ryans Way and Sycamore Grove Ln. meet Fields Ertel Rd. at the same intersection. Fields Ertel is undivided. Ryans Way is briefly divided at the subdivision entrance, a very common configuration in newer subdivisions, but

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

2013-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/14 Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.com So what are we talking about? Intersections like this one, where one or more dual carriageways come together at an at-grade intersection:

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

2013-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/14 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com Hi Martijn: one thing wrong I do see at this particular intersection are extraneous nodes with highway=crossing tags: two extra ones on the (northerly) east-west ped-path and one extra one each of the (westerly and easterly) north-south ped-paths.

Re: [Talk-us] Las Vegas region administrative areas

2013-10-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/11 Mike N nice...@att.net There was a good question posted in the forum that I can't quite come up with a solution or recommendation. Re: place = locality in Las Vegas http://forum.openstreetmap.**org/viewtopic.php?id=22876http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22876

Re: [Talk-us] OSM US chapter election manifestos

2013-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/4 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com To avoid confusion, I should note that there is no formal link between the OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) and OpenStreetMap US (OSM-US). not yet, but OSMF is working on formalizing local chapters. cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-09-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 08/set/2013 um 10:39 schrieb Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: * Reclassify objects which are currently gnis but should be other datasets (non-gnis). being derived from one data set or the other is not an osm classification. Our strength is crowd sourced data collection and

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-08-22

2013-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/9/4 F Hillhouse Jr f.hillhouse...@gmail.com I selected the Mapnik TYP file. Is this file necessary? this is a file that specifies how the things are displayed, if you don't use it you will get the standard garmin rendering, but as the available line types and icons are limited, this

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate 64 and its spur interstates (I-64, I-264, I-464) changed to primary status in Virginia Beach, VA

2013-08-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 04/ago/2013, alle ore 08:57, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com ha scritto: On Sat, Aug 3, 2013, at 09:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 03/ago/2013, alle ore 16:14, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com ha scritto: Lots of deletes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate 64 and its spur interstates (I-64, I-264, I-464) changed to primary status in Virginia Beach, VA

2013-08-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 04/ago/2013, alle ore 12:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org ha scritto: I'm now undeleting everything that has been deleted in the changesets 16855494 16855504 16855528 16855560 16855573 16855604 16855620 16929987 16969605 Thank you, this was fast cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate 64 and its spur interstates (I-64, I-264, I-464) changed to primary status in Virginia Beach, VA

2013-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 03/ago/2013, alle ore 16:14, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com ha scritto: Lots of deletes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16855560 besides writing to the mapper (what should definitely be done, in a polite way), when there are lots of deletes it is better to revert the

Re: [Talk-us] Spammy-sounding survey sent to my OSM inbox today.

2013-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/27 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com I think it is *also* time to create a supportable sustainable strategy for future researchers or grad students. IMHO our data including all history is public, our wiki including the history is public, our MLs and forums are mostly public, there is

Re: [Talk-us] access restriction, water only: How to tag?

2013-07-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/26 Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com While I can't point to an example, I believe I've seen some state park campsites that actually have a legal restriction against being accessed by land. It might be that the terrain is considered too dangerous (park does not want to assume liability for

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