On 5/5/2012 1:23 AM, Gregory Arenius wrote:
The OSM model isn't everything in a separate layer, it is
everything altogether. What makes plots unique in this
regard? Why do we want them separate?
If you compare land use to TIGER - the base road network from TIGER
is continually
See http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-April/008032.html
for the full discussion around the removal
In summary:
- The Fresno import has a number of issues
- No one is opposed to removal if there are no easier options for cleaning
up the data
- No one has proposed an easier
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
See http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-April/008032.html
for the full discussion around the removal
In summary:
- The Fresno import has a number of issues
- No one is opposed to removal if there are no
From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org]
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
See
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-April/008032.htm
l for the full discussion around the removal
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org]
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
See
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org]
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
See
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
Do those individual polygons have any useful information on them (addresses,
for example)? If so, we should generate addr points from their centroids.
Why?
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Do those individual polygons have any useful information on them (addresses,
for example)? If so, we should generate addr points from their centroids.
Either way, we could save useful OSM information by creating a new polygon
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
Do those individual polygons have any useful information on them
(addresses,
for
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
Do those
On 5/4/2012 2:42 PM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote:
any import should be treated like this. if it's not edited and the data
isn't used then it should be removed after some time.
That's a silly statement. If something isolated gets imported, e.g. a
water political boundary, it probably won't be
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Because that information is useless in OSM. It was out of date the second
someone ran the upload script and unless the city of Fresno decides to
switch to OSM for their official tax plat information (which I'm pretty sure
Because that information is useless in OSM. It was out of
date the second
someone ran the upload script and unless the city of
Fresno decides to
switch to OSM for their official tax plat information
(which I'm pretty
sure would be illegal in most jurisdictions), no one in
the community can
improve
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Brett Lord-Casitllo marigol...@yahoo.comwrote:
Because that information is useless in OSM. It was out of date the second
someone ran the upload script and unless the city of Fresno decides to
switch to OSM for their official tax plat information (which I'm
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Brett Lord-Casitllo
marigol...@yahoo.com wrote:
That keys you into everythingelse you might want: address, land value,
building
value, FIRM map, etc.
But in this case that's kind of the point... the parcel ID would only
be useful for you to go into the already
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
If parcel data is important to disaster response, I would expect the
responder to go get the most up to date data from the source, not use stale
data that was imported into OSM (potentially) some years ago
Doesn't Haiti and
On 5/4/2012 4:21 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
To the contrary, this whole conversation started because we received
multiple complaints about this area from mappers who wanted to create
data in this area but couldn't because of too much data. In that
sense, this data is already handicapping the
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
If parcel data is important to disaster response, I would expect the
responder to go get the most up to date data from the source, not use stale
data that
At 2012-05-04 11:47, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org]
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
More information
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
If parcel data is important to disaster response, I would expect the
responder to go get the most up to date data from the source, not use
stale
data
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
wrote:
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
If
OSM is not a giant collection bowl for data (oh look I've found a scrap of
data on my city's web site, let's upload that to OSM so that it don't get
lost!!!).
OSM is a giant *editor*. OSM is for *editing* data.
I strongly disagree. OSM is for the user, not for the editor. OSM -is- a giant
Because the nature of cadastral data is that there is a data owner and it is
very rarely OSM. That data owner has created the data out of thin air. There's
absolutely no correlation between something on the ground and the information
in the dataset.
OSM is built upon the fact that anyone can
At 2012-05-04 01:37, Paul Norman wrote:
See http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-April/008032.html
for the full discussion around the removal
In summary:
- The Fresno import has a number of issues
- No one is opposed to removal if there are no easier options for cleaning
up the
At 2012-05-04 15:52, Martijn van Exel wrote:
...
I do agree that there's an opportunity for crowdsourcing in cadastral
surveying, but we should be approaching that very carefully and in the
right order. First examine the legal implications of letting the world at
large have r/w access to
On May 4, 2012 5:41 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:
...and we need to examine what our existing user tools and server
processing and storage resources are and how they can handle the amount of
data desired before just blindly throwing many times the existing data size
at them.
From: Nathan Mills [mailto:nat...@nwacg.net]
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports
On 5/4/2012 4:21 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
To the contrary, this whole conversation started because we received
multiple complaints about this area from mappers who wanted to create
data in this area
From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org]
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports
On May 4, 2012 5:41 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:
...and we need to examine what our existing user tools and server
processing
and storage resources are and how they can
From: Alan Mintz [mailto:alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 3:06 PM
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports
At 2012-05-04 01:37, Paul Norman wrote:
See
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us
I think that this import was poorly done but overall I don't see the
problem with having this type of data in OSM. In fact, I think it is
really useful and
don't entirely understand the backlash against it. I would really enjoy
having that kind of base to work with.
So, Thoughts on Plot and
Thanks for everyone's comments. I do take pride in making sure my imports are
good. That said I realize there are issues with the Fresno import, one of my
first imports. But I am not sure if we need to throw out the baby with the bath
water just yet. If it comes to that, fine. I think the
I happened across an import of Fresno castradal data from mid-2010 in the
Fresno area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.77lon=-119.81zoom=15 is
the general area but I haven't fully explored the extents. For a view of the
data, see http://maps.paulnorman.ca/imports/review/fresno.png
Based on
Paul Norman wrote:
I happened across an import of Fresno castradal data from mid-2010 in the
Fresno area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.77lon=-119.81zoom=15 is
the general area but I haven't fully explored the extents. For a view of the
data, see
On 4/26/2012 2:54 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
I happened across an import of Fresno castradal data from mid-2010 in the
Fresno area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.77lon=-119.81zoom=15 is
the general area but I haven't fully explored the extents. For a view of the
data, see
At 2012-04-26 07:59, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 4/26/2012 2:54 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
I happened across an import of Fresno castradal data from mid-2010 in the
Fresno area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.77lon=-119.81zoom=15 is
the general area but I haven't fully explored the extents.
Some of the problem my be a disconnect between county level mapping/import
talk and the country level talk. I personally like imports that are done
well, but also understand how poor imports can make things harder for
everyone. It looks like you guys have done a lot of work and many
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