Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I agree with Alex and Paul here. It would be ideal to say "Oh we can replicate the functionality of a user calendar"- that's absolutely true. The discovery functionality is what's not replicatable. I've had one user here in NYC who does not wish to participate on the meetup because he doesn't want

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Weait
On Jan 22, 2014 11:10 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Richard Weait wrote: >> >>   The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.  Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that we want. > > Meta.  I apologize for bad

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-22 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kathleen Danielson < kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not to toot my own horn, but I gave a talk on this very subject at SOTM US > 2013, which you can watch here: > http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68098498 > > Among my key p

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-22 Thread Kathleen Danielson
Surprising probably no one, I have a lot of thoughts on this topic, so I've been watching this conversation with interest. Not to toot my own horn, but I gave a talk on this very subject at SOTM US 2013, which you can watch here: http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/6

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-22 Thread Martijn van Exel
I dislike relying on volatile third party services as much as the next person, but: * As stated before, it does get you unparalleled exposure outside of the regular channels, targeted at people actively looking to explore new interests / meet new people. Sure, many of these folks may just be grazin

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-22 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events. > Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that > we want. > It is in part a numbers game. Only a small percentage will become regular mappers

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Weait
On Jan 22, 2014 12:09 AM, Brian DeRocher wrote: ...   The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.  Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that we want. You control that in part with the way that you write your event announcement.  If we can

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-21 Thread Brian DeRocher
Here's an idea. How about we get back to using Upcoming.org? Oh yeah, it was bought by Yahoo and shutdown. It's for this reason OSM runs their own web servers, wikis, mail servers. I'm generally in support of running our own calendar server. But as Paul said, being a calendar is only half o

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-21 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us The reply I received back from Laura Blackett, Meetup.com, is show below. They do not offer any corporate sponsored group rates nor can third parties pay for accounts. If OSM-US had a support s

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Alex Barth
Simon's comment makes me realize that the central argument for meetup.comhasn't been mentioned. meetup.com covers the bases for core organizing (events + mailing lists) but most importantly, it provides incredible visibility. Esp. in the US, people actively browse meetup for stuff they're intereste

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality? Almost everyone > with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or > a gmail account has this. Paul, I've never even heard of Google+ events function. Have y

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Randy Meech
A corporation might offer a grant for that to OSM US if it wanted to manage that (especially if tax deductible), but it would be challenging to offer it to a number of smaller groups. -Randy On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Kam, Kristen -

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Sure! It's commonly used on the Furry Fandom community (particularly on the plains) to coordinate furmeets and share convention experiences. It ties in nicely to Google Calendar as well, and ergo, Android. https://plus.google.com/communities/113331563119234748188/events has examples from that com

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Kam, Kristen -(p) wrote: > Why can’t you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a > mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events? > > > Meetup, as others have said, reaches people you'd never find using other means. When I joine

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Simon Poole
Just a couple of observations from the other side of the Atlantic: - please make it easy to contact your group without having to go through a sign up procedure with yet another service. Not everybody is interested in joining permamently and making a meetup account mandatory just means you wont ge

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread David Fawcett
Despite the cost overhead of Meetup, it is definitely worth investigating. Our local Python group started using meetup last year and it gave us a huge boost in exposure and has brought in quite a few new people who didn't know that we existed. To me, the exposure to the (literally) thousands of pe

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Alex Barth
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > However the cost is expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group. I recommend either crowd funding a meetup group or getting a local company to sponsor. Like Ian said, at OSM US we've spent quite some cycles on how we could support loc

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Paul Norman
Exel; OpenStreetMap talk-us list Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups Why can't you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstr

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Kam, Kristen -(p)
, 2014 3:03 PM To: Clifford Snow Cc: Martijn van Exel; OpenStreetMap talk-us list Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality? Almost everyone with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or a gmail account h

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/15/14 6:03 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality? Almost everyone > with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or > a gmail account has this. > > there are a lot of people in OSM who are uncomfortable with having their in

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Paul Johnson
What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality? Almost everyone with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or a gmail account has this. On Jan 14, 2014 5:26 PM, "Clifford Snow" wrote: > Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is > exp

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-14 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > Sponsoring Meetup groups is rather difficult. Meetup doesn't have a way to > sponsor a group's Meetup fees and doing it on a one-by-one basis is a lot > of paperwork (how does one keep track of who gets payment and how do they > make sure the pay

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-14 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is > expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group. I'm wondering if we can > get some corporate sponsor to help offset the cost of establishing local > communities. This is

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-14 Thread Clifford Snow
Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group. I'm wondering if we can get some corporate sponsor to help offset the cost of establishing local communities. This is a not so subtle hint for all the corporations that make money

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-14 Thread Brett Lord-Castillo
I added in the two St Louis area groups and cleaned up our entries. --Brett Lord-Castillo OpenDataSTL ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-14 Thread Richard Weait
http://usergroups.openstreetmap.de/ add your group to the wiki with the structured elements , and a bot will add your group to the map. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-14 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, I cleaned up the list of local OSM groups on the 'WikiProject United States' page, deleting empty rows. If you run a local group and don't see it listed here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States - please add a row with your local group info! There must be a better