Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-19 Thread Russ Nelson
Marc Gemis writes: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The razed sections of the abandoned railway need not confuse anybody. Or are you requesting a exception for railways ? Yes, because a railway went from point A to point B, where you can see

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-19 Thread Russ Nelson
Marc Gemis writes: Sorry, but I'm not trolling. I just want to understand why the railway people should get a different treatment. Because there is a rendering of the data (openrailwaymap.org and the ITO specialist renderings), and because people CARE. If you're argument is to better

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-17 Thread Marc Gemis
Sorry, but I'm not trolling. I just want to understand why the railway people should get a different treatment. If you're argument is to better understand why the landscape is like it is now, then that is also true for razed streets [1] where the road used to come closer to the buildings in the

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-16 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: The problem, as I see it, is that railroads are a contiguous whole. Yet some people seem to think that a railroad should be shopped up along its length, with part of it appearing in OSM (where you can see it on the ground),

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/17/2015 07:30 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: What about previous swamps, forest, etc. that are now turned into ... ? Careful there with the swamp enthusiast community ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-16 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The razed sections of the abandoned railway need not confuse anybody. Will you allow razed buildings and razed streets as well in OSM ( just curious) ? What about previous swamps, forest, etc. that are now turned into

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-06 Thread Drew Dara-Abrams
Richard et al., Thanks for starting an interesting thread. There do seem to be an increasing number of projects that live outside of OSM proper but that connect loosely with OSM data and services. By chance, I proposed a panel on this general topic for the upcoming SOTM-US conference. My own

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-05 Thread Russ Nelson
Mike Dupont writes: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no problem to look at them, render them, edit them, analyze

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-05 Thread Mike Dupont
There would be only one database. the layer would just be a filter that would not display the railways. if a railway is glued to a node which is moved in another layer, we would have to duplicate it, so no data can be accidentally changed if not visible. On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Russ

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-04 Thread Mike Dupont
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no problem to look at them, render them, edit them, analyze them I still dont understand

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/4/15 8:29 AM, Mike Dupont wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com mailto:nel...@crynwr.com wrote: If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no problem to

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-04 Thread Mike N
On 4/3/2015 9:17 AM, Richard Welty wrote: i think the long term future of OSM will probably involve more OHM like projects to supplement OSM. my question is how will the core OSM community treat them? right now it seems very mixed. I think it's a great idea. There may be some definition

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-03 Thread Greg Morgan
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: so one of the things from recent discussion that concerns me are perceptions out there about projects parallel to OSM that are designed to complement it, specifically OHM. here is an outline of the view from OHM, and

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Welty writes: [OHM is] a real database, using the OSM software stack. it's live, and you can pan around in it and not see much because it's pretty sparse. The problem, as I see it, is that railroads are a contiguous whole. Yet some people seem to think that a railroad should be

[Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-03 Thread Richard Welty
so one of the things from recent discussion that concerns me are perceptions out there about projects parallel to OSM that are designed to complement it, specifically OHM. here is an outline of the view from OHM, and i'm interesting in understanding why some treat the whole project so dismissively

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/3/15 10:40 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: If you are asking for an opinion, then this is the kind-of thing that is a detriment to OSM. Whereas I try to use OpenSeaMap tags where I can for the limited features that sea map applies, I won't go out of my way to add data to OSH. My main concern