Re: [Talk-us] Looking for GPS with voice annotation?

2018-02-16 Thread Steve Friedl 
I received a number of really useful notes that have been really helpful.

@Martjin:
I purchased a Columbus V900 from eBay – about $100 – and will play with it over 
the weekend to see if I can find a workflow that works for me.  

A number of folks suggested OSMTracker and KeypadMapper, but – alas – they are 
Android and I use an iPhone. I do have a Samsung tablet that runs Android, but 
it’s a bit large to be walking around a neighborhood – I worry about getting 
called out until I have a bit more experience doing this.

I do notice that for both OSMTracker and KeypadMapper note “This app may not be 
optimized for your device”, but I don’t know if that’s serious or not.

I have played with Vespucci, but it’s also Android only. I guess I should buy a 
cheap old phone and just use it for wifi where I don’t care about a SIM or a 
carrier or whatever.

I’ve been using Go Map!! on my iPhone, which is a lovely app by Bryce Cogswell, 
and I found a workflow that mostly works.

At the start of a block I’ll manually add house points for that block on top of 
the aerial imagery (each node on top of the house itself), entering everything 
*but* the house number. Now I have a block full of partial entries. I do this 
while standing out of the way and it looks like I’m sending a text message.

Then I walk the block and enter the numbers: this is made easier when most 
blocks have uniform numbering that I can just mentally note “plus 10… plus 10… 
plus 10…” and enter most of them at the end of the block.

When I get home I use JOSM to clean everything up.

The bummer with Go Map!! is that it hasn’t been updated in several years, and 
it’s an *amazing* battery hog. I assume that there are battery optimizations 
that haven’t been done yet, and I hope Bryce picks this back up sometime.

It was also suggested that I take pictures of the house numbers and correlate 
them later: I do this now for points of interest or odd things, but I’m not 
sure this would scale up to hundreds of houses in a busy residential 
neighborhood. 

Thanks again, all. I’m about to head out for another foot survey mission.

Steve

From: Martijn van Exel [mailto:mve...@gmail.com] 
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Looking for GPS with voice annotation?

Steve, 

I have used the Columbus V900[1] for that purpose. It is a nice little unit, 
the main drawback being that it does not save tracks in GPX format. There is a 
plugin for JOSM that loads its CSV track files, though.

The audio files are of pretty low fidelity, but good enough. JOSM shows the 
audio clips as points on the map. 

There is a newer model which is much fancier looking but lacks the audio 
recording feature, as far as I know.

Martijn

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Columbus#Columbus_V-900



On Feb 10, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Steve Friedl <mailto:st...@unixwiz.net> wrote:

Happy Saturday, all,

I have a Garmin GPSmap 64st unit that does a fine job of recording tracks, but 
I’m looking to do foot surveys of house numbers in an area, and for that I’m 
hoping to find something that has both GPS and audio recording.

Proposed use case is walking along a sidewalk and pressing a button to mark a 
GPS location, then quietly speak the house number.  I’d use some kind of 
playback in JOSM to enter all this data. 

I've tried using a standalone audio recorder, but it's way too easy to get out 
of sync with the waypoints. Actually *entering* house numbers (in Go Map!! on 
my iPhone would take too long and attract way too much attention.

Rafts of google and bingle searches have brought up nothing except how to spy 
on my spouse with a covert GPS audio recorder: that’s not what I’m looking for 

I can’t be the first to want this: anybody seen such a thing?

Steve

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Re: [Talk-us] Looking for GPS with voice annotation?

2018-02-11 Thread Simon Poole 
As has already been suggested you can do this with OSMTracker, however
(and I used it a lot for gathering house numbers) IMHO voice annotations
are really too easy to get wrong in one way or the other and just tend
to turn in to a rather stressful experience.

If you have a reasonably regular numbering system in your area, I would
suggest using Vespucci (but then I would). Once the address prediction
has kicked in the number survey rate is essentially limited by how fast
you can walk. It is not super stealthy but in my experience good enough.
Alas no iOS version though (but will run on nearly any old phone).

Simon


Am 10.02.2018 um 16:05 schrieb Steve Friedl:
> Happy Saturday, all,
>
> I have a Garmin GPSmap 64st unit that does a fine job of recording tracks, 
> but I’m looking to do foot surveys of house numbers in an area, and for that 
> I’m hoping to find something that has both GPS and audio recording.
>
> Proposed use case is walking along a sidewalk and pressing a button to mark a 
> GPS location, then quietly speak the house number.  I’d use some kind of 
> playback in JOSM to enter all this data. 
>
> I've tried using a standalone audio recorder, but it's way too easy to get 
> out of sync with the waypoints. Actually *entering* house numbers (in Go 
> Map!! on my iPhone would take too long and attract way too much attention.
>
> Rafts of google and bingle searches have brought up nothing except how to spy 
> on my spouse with a covert GPS audio recorder: that’s not what I’m looking 
> for 
>
> I can’t be the first to want this: anybody seen such a thing?
>
> Steve
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Looking for GPS with voice annotation?

2018-02-10 Thread Tod Fitch 
I used to use OsmTracker to voice record addresses but found that the back end, 
entering the data into JOSM, was slow and problematic. Passing cars or other 
sources of sound often made my spoken number very hard to understand. And for 
every number I had to play the recording, create a point, type the house 
number, etc.

My current address gathering procedure it to run both OsmTracker and 
KeypadMapper simultaneously. I use the geo-tagged photo capability in 
OsmTracker to capture street, stop, speed limit signs, and other points of 
interest like benches, public transit stops, etc. And I use KeypadMapper to 
collect the house numbers. With Keypad mapper I can generally type the upcoming 
number then as I pass the actual house, verify it and press a button to record 
it near the proper location. For a typical western US subdivision I can walk 
along at a pretty good clip and not slow down when collecting addresses so I 
can get my daily exercise in too.

Back at JOSM I can use my GPX tracks from either OsmTracker or KeypadMapper to 
assure the aerial imagery is lined up, then adjust the points collected by 
KeypadMapper to the best location, quickly add the street names (verified by 
photos from OsmTracker), etc. It makes the back end editing/entry side much, 
much faster than using voice on OsmTracker.

As of a year or two ago, the more recent version of KeypadMapper has an 
“anti-feature” as F-Droid like to call it in that it collects and sends cell 
tower information to a company/organization. Because of that, I have compiled 
my own version of KeypadMapper from an older source that does not do that. If 
you wish I can put my personal copy of the KeypadMapper out where you can pick 
it up if you like.

With respect to hassle, both using voice on OsmTracker and typing numbers on 
KeypadMapper are much better than the walking papers style address collection 
in my view. In both cases you look pretty innocuous, people are used to 
strangers walking down a street talking or texting on a cell phone. I’ve not 
been bothered or even asked what I am doing using either of those methods. Back 
when I was using the walking papers method, carrying a clipboard with a printed 
map writing down notes, I was stopped and questioned a number of times by 
locals and once they called the police on me. Everything I was doing was legal, 
but it wasted both my time and a police officer’s time.

-Tod

> On Feb 10, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> 
> The android app OSMTracker has that feature beside being able to take 
> pictures all with a gpx track.
> 
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Steve Friedl  > wrote:
> Happy Saturday, all,
> 
> I have a Garmin GPSmap 64st unit that does a fine job of recording tracks, 
> but I’m looking to do foot surveys of house numbers in an area, and for that 
> I’m hoping to find something that has both GPS and audio recording.
> 
> Proposed use case is walking along a sidewalk and pressing a button to mark a 
> GPS location, then quietly speak the house number.  I’d use some kind of 
> playback in JOSM to enter all this data.
> 
> I've tried using a standalone audio recorder, but it's way too easy to get 
> out of sync with the waypoints. Actually *entering* house numbers (in Go 
> Map!! on my iPhone would take too long and attract way too much attention.
> 
> Rafts of google and bingle searches have brought up nothing except how to spy 
> on my spouse with a covert GPS audio recorder: that’s not what I’m looking 
> for 
> 
> I can’t be the first to want this: anybody seen such a thing?
> 
> Steve
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Looking for GPS with voice annotation?

2018-02-10 Thread Clifford Snow 
The android app OSMTracker has that feature beside being able to take
pictures all with a gpx track.

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Steve Friedl  wrote:

> Happy Saturday, all,
>
> I have a Garmin GPSmap 64st unit that does a fine job of recording tracks,
> but I’m looking to do foot surveys of house numbers in an area, and for
> that I’m hoping to find something that has both GPS and audio recording.
>
> Proposed use case is walking along a sidewalk and pressing a button to
> mark a GPS location, then quietly speak the house number.  I’d use some
> kind of playback in JOSM to enter all this data.
>
> I've tried using a standalone audio recorder, but it's way too easy to get
> out of sync with the waypoints. Actually *entering* house numbers (in Go
> Map!! on my iPhone would take too long and attract way too much attention.
>
> Rafts of google and bingle searches have brought up nothing except how to
> spy on my spouse with a covert GPS audio recorder: that’s not what I’m
> looking for 
>
> I can’t be the first to want this: anybody seen such a thing?
>
> Steve
>
> ---
> Stephen J Friedl  | Security Consultant | UNIX Wizard | 714 345-4571
> st...@unixwiz.net | Southern California | Windows Guy |  unixwiz.net
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[Talk-us] Looking for GPS with voice annotation?

2018-02-10 Thread Steve Friedl 
Happy Saturday, all,

I have a Garmin GPSmap 64st unit that does a fine job of recording tracks, but 
I’m looking to do foot surveys of house numbers in an area, and for that I’m 
hoping to find something that has both GPS and audio recording.

Proposed use case is walking along a sidewalk and pressing a button to mark a 
GPS location, then quietly speak the house number.  I’d use some kind of 
playback in JOSM to enter all this data. 

I've tried using a standalone audio recorder, but it's way too easy to get out 
of sync with the waypoints. Actually *entering* house numbers (in Go Map!! on 
my iPhone would take too long and attract way too much attention.

Rafts of google and bingle searches have brought up nothing except how to spy 
on my spouse with a covert GPS audio recorder: that’s not what I’m looking for 

I can’t be the first to want this: anybody seen such a thing?

Steve

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