RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

Sure did, I got two, thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of David Hoff Jr via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 1:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: David Hoff Jr 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Did you ever get a copy of WE you were looking for?
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have window eyes.  I have the disk with 9.0, and about a year ago, I got 
the rest of it from somebody.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 1:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David Hoff Jr
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Did you ever get a copy of WE you were looking for?
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[David Hoff Jr via Talk]

Did you ever get a copy of WE you were looking for?
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

try hitting f5 to refresh the screen or go into window-eyes control 
panel to refresh the synthesizer, that works sometimes when text disappears.


Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

cur...@calweb.com

On 2/25/2021 3:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

That is a new one on me, also!  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:12 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Nick,

I have no idea. I've never seen a chunk of text vanish from the middle of a
message.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:23 PM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Why or how did  it disappear when I hit reply? I don't remember whether
I hit reply, or reply all.

On 2/23/2021 9:15 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the
middle of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line 
lecture

for a signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It
makes it very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim
over it. And it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.


Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention,

however, you should consider the practical implications. An old friend of
mine started doing this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for
about the last twenty years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to
stop, he stubbornly refused, leaving them no choice but to ban him from the
list. And those moderators had absolutely no problem with reasonable
contextual expressions of faith.


Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk 

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:


I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That is a new one on me, also!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:12 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Nick,

I have no idea. I've never seen a chunk of text vanish from the middle of a
message.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:23 PM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Why or how did  it disappear when I hit reply? I don't remember whether
I hit reply, or reply all.

On 2/23/2021 9:15 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the

middle of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line lecture
for a signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It
makes it very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim
over it. And it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.


Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention,

however, you should consider the practical implications. An old friend of
mine started doing this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for
about the last twenty years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to
stop, he stubbornly refused, leaving them no choice but to ban him from the
list. And those moderators had absolutely no problem with reasonable
contextual expressions of faith.


Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk 

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:


I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Who knows. Maybe there's an algorithm list platforms have to detect these 
pre-processed signatures that are automatically added to every message, and 
they have the option to say, x lines is okay, any more than that and we'll 
delete it. Just a wild guess.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Fwd: New to the list, saying hello

Since I've been accused of belaboring this, I may as well continue. I am 
just curious why replying causes the message to disappear, but 
forwarding the message does not.


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 23:10:06 -0500
From: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Reply-To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
CC: Chester Thrash 

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
blessed night.

-- 
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of  whom I am the 
worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the 
worst of  sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as 
an example for those who would  believe on him and receive eternal life. 
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only  God, be honor 
and glory for ever and ever. Amen. If we have limits, they are self imposed
  Our world is waiting for praying Christians who understand their place 
in the plans and purposes  of God. Darkness is never dispelled by 
shouting at it, but by allowing light to shine through it.  May the 
light of Christ shine through you as you take seriously this call to 
prayer in the midst of  warfare.
-- Dave Butts
Prayer is an absolute of what is to be, according to God's Will. Lack of 
prayer, is an absolute of  personal despair!
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall 
receive. I had rather stand with God and be judged by the world, than to 
stand with the world and be judged by God.’ "You can't be part of a 
denomination and follow the Bible and you can't be part of the Church of 
Christ without following the Bible." from Gary McDade of The Everlasting 
Gospel program on GBN Your brother in Christ, Chester Thrash Website: 
http://www.samobile.net/users/audioguy/ Home Phone:404-996-6731, cell: 
404-901-8835
Address: 2449 East Club Drive Northeast, Apt.507A, Brookhaven, Georgia 
30319-3380
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Nick,

I have no idea. I've never seen a chunk of text vanish from the middle of a
message.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:23 PM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Why or how did  it disappear when I hit reply? I don't remember whether 
I hit reply, or reply all.

On 2/23/2021 9:15 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the
middle of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line lecture
for a signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It
makes it very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim
over it. And it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.
> 
> Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention,
however, you should consider the practical implications. An old friend of
mine started doing this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for
about the last twenty years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to
stop, he stubbornly refused, leaving them no choice but to ban him from the
list. And those moderators had absolutely no problem with reasonable
contextual expressions of faith.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Nick Sarames 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his
> entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:
> 
> 
> I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
> blessed night.
> 
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Why or how did  it disappear when I hit reply? I don't remember whether 
I hit reply, or reply all.


On 2/23/2021 9:15 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the middle 
of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line lecture for a 
signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It makes it 
very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim over it. And 
it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.

Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention, however, you 
should consider the practical implications. An old friend of mine started doing 
this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for about the last twenty 
years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to stop, he stubbornly refused, 
leaving them no choice but to ban him from the list. And those moderators had 
absolutely no problem with reasonable contextual expressions of faith.

Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:


I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I agree with you.  I thought it was kind-of large!  A couple of words is one 
thing, but these large ones are not good.  Those of us who want that kind of 
thing will be on a specialized list for it.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 9:15 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the 
middle of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line lecture 
for a signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It 
makes it very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim 
over it. And it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.


Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention, however, 
you should consider the practical implications. An old friend of mine 
started doing this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for about 
the last twenty years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to stop, he 
stubbornly refused, leaving them no choice but to ban him from the list. And 
those moderators had absolutely no problem with reasonable contextual 
expressions of faith.


Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:


I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.

--
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of  whom I am the
worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the
worst of  sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as
an example for those who would  believe on him and receive eternal life.
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only  God, be honor
and glory for ever and ever. Amen. If we have limits, they are self imposed
Our world is waiting for praying Christians who understand their place
in the plans and purposes  of God. Darkness is never dispelled by
shouting at it, but by allowing light to shine through it.  May the
light of Christ shine through you as you take seriously this call to
prayer in the midst of  warfare.
-- Dave Butts
Prayer is an absolute of what is to be, according to God's Will. Lack of
prayer, is an absolute of  personal despair!
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall
receive. I had rather stand with God and be judged by the world, than to
stand with the world and be judged by God.’ "You can't be part of a
denomination and follow the Bible and you can't be part of the Church of
Christ without following the Bible." from Gary McDade of The Everlasting
Gospel program on GBN Your brother in Christ, Chester Thrash Website:
http://www.samobile.net/users/audioguy/ Home Phone:404-996-6731, cell:
404-901-8835
Address: 2449 East Club Drive Northeast, Apt.507A, Brookhaven, Georgia
30319-3380
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On 2/22/2021 8:48 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I agree.  Notice how defensive he got.  That should tell you something.
If I wrote on this list the I had a pet talking rock, do you think
anyone would really care.  No, because there is no such thing.  In many
cases, their denial of God is really more of a hatred of God.  He is
right, I don't know what he believes adnd I really don't care, so if I
chose to say God bless you all or whatever, what is the problem  As I
said before, very interesting.  And yes, it is a matter of free speech
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 22 Feb 2021, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their
emails, I don't see how it harms anyone on this list.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke
our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This
is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed

Re: New to the list, saying hello

[David Hoff Jr via Talk]

contact me with a private email and I will see what I can do.

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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

That's an evaluation copy. I think it runs for 30 minutes; then you have to
reboot.

Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Luciano Ortelli via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 7:35 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Luciano Ortelli 
Subject: AW: New to the list, saying hello

Hello all

I found in Internet the following link for download:

we954eval.exe

I don't know if it works.

Luciano ex-user of Window-Eyes


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Talk  Im
Auftrag von Mike via Talk
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Februar 2021 13:08
An: fenderwal--- via Talk 
Cc: Mike 
Betreff: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is becoming a little tiresome.


Best wishes


Mike.

Mike Gurney
  Tel 01908560380

On 23/02/2021 10:58, fenderwal--- via Talk wrote:
> And, rather than stop reading and ignore the rest, you chose to jump 
> in and make a sub-discussion out of a list member's signature.
>
> I dub thee Nicholas the Petty Tyrant!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:04 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Nick Sarames
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>
> I don't have an issue with that.
>
> On 2/22/2021 2:13 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their 
>> emails, I
> don't see how it harms anyone on this list.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Nick Sarames 
>> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>>
>> This is not a free speech issue.
>>
>> On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> Nick,
>>>
>>> Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to 
>>> revoke our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be 
>>> done. This is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night"
>>> offends you to the point of taking the time to dictate how others 
>>> may
> speak, you need help.
>>> God speed,
>>> (This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the 
>>> Oxford English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to 
>>> a person starting a journey.) Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>>  On 
>>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
>>> To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
>>> Cc: Nick Sarames 
>>> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>>>
>>> Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, 
>>> listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..
>>>
>>> On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:
>>>> I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
>>>> blessed night.
>>>>
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the middle 
of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line lecture for a 
signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It makes it 
very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim over it. And 
it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.

Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention, however, you 
should consider the practical implications. An old friend of mine started doing 
this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for about the last twenty 
years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to stop, he stubbornly refused, 
leaving them no choice but to ban him from the list. And those moderators had 
absolutely no problem with reasonable contextual expressions of faith.

Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his 
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:


I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
blessed night.

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worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the 
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an example for those who would  believe on him and receive eternal life. 
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only  God, be honor 
and glory for ever and ever. Amen. If we have limits, they are self imposed
Our world is waiting for praying Christians who understand their place 
in the plans and purposes  of God. Darkness is never dispelled by 
shouting at it, but by allowing light to shine through it.  May the 
light of Christ shine through you as you take seriously this call to 
prayer in the midst of  warfare.
-- Dave Butts
Prayer is an absolute of what is to be, according to God's Will. Lack of 
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Matthew 21:22
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On 2/22/2021 8:48 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> I agree.  Notice how defensive he got.  That should tell you something. 
> If I wrote on this list the I had a pet talking rock, do you think 
> anyone would really care.  No, because there is no such thing.  In many 
> cases, their denial of God is really more of a hatred of God.  He is 
> right, I don't know what he believes adnd I really don't care, so if I 
> chose to say God bless you all or whatever, what is the problem  As I 
> said before, very interesting.  And yes, it is a matter of free speech
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2021, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> 
>> If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their 
>> emails, I don't see how it harms anyone on this list.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Nick Sarames 
>> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>>
>> This is not a free speech issue.
>>
>> On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> Nick,
>>>
>>> Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke
>>> our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This
>>> is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to
>>> the point of taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you 
&

Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Mike via Talk]

This is becoming a little tiresome.


Best wishes


Mike.

Mike Gurney
 Tel 01908560380

On 23/02/2021 10:58, fenderwal--- via Talk wrote:

And, rather than stop reading and ignore the rest, you chose to jump in and
make a sub-discussion out of a list member's signature.

I dub thee Nicholas the Petty Tyrant!

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

I don't have an issue with that.

On 2/22/2021 2:13 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their emails, I

don't see how it harms anyone on this list.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to
revoke our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be
done. This is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night"
offends you to the point of taking the time to dictate how others may

speak, you need help.

God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the
Oxford English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a
person starting a journey.) Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason,
listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[fenderwal--- via Talk]

And, rather than stop reading and ignore the rest, you chose to jump in and
make a sub-discussion out of a list member's signature.

I dub thee Nicholas the Petty Tyrant!

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

I don't have an issue with that.

On 2/22/2021 2:13 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their emails, I
don't see how it harms anyone on this list.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Nick Sarames 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> This is not a free speech issue.
> 
> On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Nick,
>>
>> Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to 
>> revoke our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be 
>> done. This is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" 
>> offends you to the point of taking the time to dictate how others may
speak, you need help.
>>
>> God speed,
>> (This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the 
>> Oxford English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a 
>> person starting a journey.) Tom
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>>  On 
>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
>> To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
>> Cc: Nick Sarames 
>> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>>
>> Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, 
>> listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..
>>
>> On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:
>>> I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
>>> blessed night.
>>>
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[fenderwal--- via Talk]

Well, Orlando. I agree, and, disagree with you. JAWS can be customized to
fit a user's needs, and, The default keyboard layout --unmodified--has some
awkward keystrokes. Unless a JAWS user is willing or able to customize the
keyboard layout into something that is better suited to their intuitive
sense, they are likely to share Olusegun's point of view.

I hasten to add that the Window-Eyes default keyboard layout had what I had
always considered to be bizarre keystrokes. A lot of useful hot key
combinations were, in my opinion, needlessly piled onto the num pad. I, of
course fixed those, as I fixed the awkward JAWS keys.

Take care,
Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:28 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

At 09:39 AM 2/20/2021, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, wrote:
 >Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
 >beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers
over  >and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town;

While I deplore Vispero's strong arm bullying tactics to annihilate the
competition and make JAWS virtually the only game in town, JAWS's hotkeys
are far from awkward. Unlike Window-eyes, which has no consistent modifier,
the JAWS modifier is insert. If you use the laptop layout, you can also use
the caps-lock key as a modifier, which effectively allows you a modifier for
each hand.
Furthermore, every single JAWS hotkey is customizable; you can even define
multiple hotkeys for the same functions, especially if you use both
caps-lock and the extended insert as modifiers. I learned this the hard way,
thinking that all JAWS hotkeys could be executed with either modifier. Turns
out, you have to define a new hotkey or the same function if you want to use
another modifier.
All in all, there's nothing awkward or unwieldy about this keyboard
architecture.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue Ph.D. in Music
theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090 

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Brendan via Talk]

Amen.


-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 4:34 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke our
freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This is called
a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to the point of
taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you need help.

God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the Oxford
English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a person
starting a journey.)
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, listers
are prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I don't have an issue with that.

On 2/22/2021 2:13 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their emails, I 
don't see how it harms anyone on this list.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke
our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This
is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to
the point of taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you need help.

God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the
Oxford English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a
person starting a journey.) Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason,
listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his 
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:



I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
blessed night.


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Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only  God, be honor 
and glory for ever and ever. Amen. If we have limits, they are self imposed
Our world is waiting for praying Christians who understand their place 
in the plans and purposes  of God. Darkness is never dispelled by 
shouting at it, but by allowing light to shine through it.  May the 
light of Christ shine through you as you take seriously this call to 
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On 2/22/2021 8:48 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
I agree.  Notice how defensive he got.  That should tell you something. 
If I wrote on this list the I had a pet talking rock, do you think 
anyone would really care.  No, because there is no such thing.  In many 
cases, their denial of God is really more of a hatred of God.  He is 
right, I don't know what he believes adnd I really don't care, so if I 
chose to say God bless you all or whatever, what is the problem  As I 
said before, very interesting.  And yes, it is a matter of free speech

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their 
emails, I don't see how it harms anyone on this list.



-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke
our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This
is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to
the point of taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you 
need help.


God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the
Oxford English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a
person starting a journey.) Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason,
listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I agree.  Notice how defensive he got.  That should tell you something. 
If I wrote on this list the I had a pet talking rock, do you think 
anyone would really care.  No, because there is no such thing.  In many 
cases, their denial of God is really more of a hatred of God.  He is 
right, I don't know what he believes adnd I really don't care, so if I 
chose to say God bless you all or whatever, what is the problem  As I 
said before, very interesting.  And yes, it is a matter of free speech

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On 
Mon, 22 Feb 2021, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:



If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their emails, I 
don't see how it harms anyone on this list.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke
our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This
is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to
the point of taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you need help.

God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the
Oxford English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a
person starting a journey.) Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason,
listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I forgot about that, because I got my window eyes long before they put 
vocalizer in there as the main speech engine.  I still have dectalk, because 
those of us who originally bought it that way got updates that way.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 11:37 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,

The only true difference between the Office version and the retail version,
other than Office requiring Office, is the lack of the Vocalizer speech
synthesizers.

Regards, and good luck,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 7:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Jane Carona 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

What's the difference between the office version and the home version?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, I have the Office version but not the regular version.

At 09:41 AM 2/21/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:

Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I
really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is
driving me crazy.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago,
I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both
WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites
indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and
decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all
with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it
perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I
decided to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this
generally good. I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish
I had a better understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along
with what I have to do.

As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for
office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it
was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have
been searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I
actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out
how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.

One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we
go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.

On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
>  On
> Behalf Of BK via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>
>
> Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version
> of WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not
work with win 10.
> That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
>
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

At 09:39 AM 2/20/2021, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, wrote:
>Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
>beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
>and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town;

While I deplore Vispero's strong arm bullying tactics to annihilate 
the competition and make JAWS virtually the only game in town, JAWS's 
hotkeys are far from awkward. Unlike Window-eyes, which has no 
consistent modifier, the JAWS modifier is insert. If you use the 
laptop layout, you can also use the caps-lock key as a modifier, 
which effectively allows you a modifier for each hand.
Furthermore, every single JAWS hotkey is customizable; you can even 
define multiple hotkeys for the same functions, especially if you use 
both caps-lock and the extended insert as modifiers. I learned this 
the hard way, thinking that all JAWS hotkeys could be executed with 
either modifier. Turns out, you have to define a new hotkey or the 
same function if you want to use another modifier.
All in all, there's nothing awkward or unwieldy about this keyboard 
architecture.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

The only difference I know of is that the office version was free if you had 
microsoft office installed.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 7:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

What's the difference between the office version and the home version?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, I have the Office version but not the regular version.

At 09:41 AM 2/21/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:

Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I
really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is
driving me crazy.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago,
I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both
WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites
indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and
decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all
with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it
perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I
decided to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this
generally good. I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish
I had a better understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along
with what I have to do.

As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for
office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it
was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have
been searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I
actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out
how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.

One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we
go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.

On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version
> of WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not
work with win 10.
> That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their emails, I 
don't see how it harms anyone on this list.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Nick,
> 
> Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke 
> our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This 
> is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to 
> the point of taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you need help.
> 
> God speed,
> (This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the 
> Oxford English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a 
> person starting a journey.) Tom
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
>  On 
> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
> To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
> Cc: Nick Sarames 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, 
> listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..
> 
> On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:
>> I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
>> blessed night.
>>
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke our
freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This is called
a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to the point of
taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you need help.

God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the Oxford
English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a person
starting a journey.)
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, listers
are prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I'm very confused...


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:49 PM
To: Butch Bussen ; Nick Sarames via Talk 

Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

You know nothing about my beliefs. As for prohibition, you know the answer.

On 2/22/2021 12:33 PM, Butch Bussen wrote:
> Prohibited by who?  I don't care that you don't believe, so why should 
> care that I do?  Kind of interesting don't you think?
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
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> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2021, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> 
>> Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, 
>> listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..
>>
>> On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:
>>>  I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
>>>  blessed night.
>>>
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

You know nothing about my beliefs. As for prohibition, you know the answer.

On 2/22/2021 12:33 PM, Butch Bussen wrote:
Prohibited by who?  I don't care that you don't believe, so why should 
care that I do?  Kind of interesting don't you think?

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 22 Feb 2021, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, 
listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..


On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

 I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
 blessed night.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[BK via Talk]

Amen, Chester, you have a blessed day.

Butch K.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Prohibited by who?  I don't care that you don't believe, so why should 
care that I do?  Kind of interesting don't you think?

73
Butch
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021, 
Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, listers are 
prohibited from discussing said topic..


On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

 I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
 blessed night.


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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[fenderwal--- via Talk]

Amen. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 10:34 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke our
freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This is called
a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to the point of
taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you need help.

God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the Oxford
English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a person
starting a journey.) Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, listers are
prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:
> I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
> blessed night.
> 
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Jane,

The only true difference between the Office version and the retail version,
other than Office requiring Office, is the lack of the Vocalizer speech
synthesizers.

Regards, and good luck,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 7:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Jane Carona 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

What's the difference between the office version and the home version?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, I have the Office version but not the regular version.

At 09:41 AM 2/21/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:
>Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
>I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I 
>really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is 
>driving me crazy.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
> On Behalf 
>Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
>To: Jane Carona via Talk 
>Cc: Bernie Perella 
>Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>
>Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
>resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
>immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, 
>I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both 
>WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites 
>indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and 
>decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all 
>with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it 
>perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I 
>decided to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this 
>generally good. I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish 
>I had a better understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along 
>with what I have to do.
>
>As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for 
>office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it 
>was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have 
>been searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I 
>actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out 
>how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.
>
>One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we 
>go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.
>
>On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> > Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
> >  On 
> > Behalf Of BK via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > Cc: BK 
> > Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> >
> >
> > Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version 
> > of WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not
> work with win 10.
> > That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
> >
> > Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke our
freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This is called
a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to the point of
taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you need help.

God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the Oxford
English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a person
starting a journey.)
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, listers 
are prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:
> I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
> blessed night.
> 
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[fenderwal--- via Talk]

Hey, Jane.

What it means for you is that the Office version most likely cannot be
shared to you. Butch seems willing to share his copy of Window-Eyes with
you. His is going to be a full copy of Window-Eyes professional, which is
what you want.

hth,
Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 6:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

What's the difference between the office version and the home version?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, I have the Office version but not the regular version.

At 09:41 AM 2/21/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:
>Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
>I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I 
>really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is 
>driving me crazy.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
> On Behalf 
>Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
>To: Jane Carona via Talk 
>Cc: Bernie Perella 
>Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>
>Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
>resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
>immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, 
>I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both 
>WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites 
>indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and 
>decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all 
>with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it 
>perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I 
>decided to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this 
>generally good. I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish 
>I had a better understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along 
>with what I have to do.
>
>As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for 
>office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it 
>was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have 
>been searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I 
>actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out 
>how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.
>
>One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we 
>go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.
>
>On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> > Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
> >  On 
> > Behalf Of BK via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > Cc: BK 
> > Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> >
> >
> > Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version 
> > of WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not
> work with win 10.
> > That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
> >
> > Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

What's the difference between the office version and the home version?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, I have the Office version but not the regular version.

At 09:41 AM 2/21/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:
>Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
>I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I 
>really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is 
>driving me crazy.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
> On Behalf 
>Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
>To: Jane Carona via Talk 
>Cc: Bernie Perella 
>Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>
>Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
>resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
>immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, 
>I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both 
>WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites 
>indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and 
>decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all 
>with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it 
>perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I 
>decided to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this 
>generally good. I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish 
>I had a better understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along 
>with what I have to do.
>
>As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for 
>office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it 
>was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have 
>been searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I 
>actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out 
>how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.
>
>One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we 
>go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.
>
>On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> > Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
> >  On 
> > Behalf Of BK via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > Cc: BK 
> > Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> >
> >
> > Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version 
> > of WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not
> work with win 10.
> > That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
> >
> > Butch K.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, listers 
are prohibited from discussing said topic..


On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:
I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
blessed night.



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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Chester Thrash via Talk]

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a 
blessed night.


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worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the 
worst of  sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as 
an example for those who would  believe on him and receive eternal 
life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only  God, be 
honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. If we have limits, they are 
self imposed
Our world is waiting for praying Christians who understand their place 
in the plans and purposes  of God. Darkness is never dispelled by 
shouting at it, but by allowing light to shine through it.  May the 
light of Christ shine through you as you take seriously this call to 
prayer in the midst of  warfare.

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of prayer, is an absolute of  personal despair!

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receive. I had rather stand with God and be judged by the world, than 
to stand with the world and be judged by God.’ "You can't be part of a 
denomination and follow the Bible and you can't be part of the Church 
of Christ without following the Bible." from Gary McDade of The 
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Jane,

I am from Malaysia. I am using WE for Office which is "free" providing you 
buy Microsoft Office 2007 and upwards. I have chosen to use Windows 8.1 
because I don't have to worry about updates to Woindows which my suddenly 
render WE unusable.


If no one else sends you a copy of WE 9.5.4, I could put a copy in my 
Dropbox and send you the download link so you can download it from my 
Dropbox.


All the best.
-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 7:08 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

It is in my message.  It says send to
but...@fairpoint.net

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, john schwery 
via Talk wrote:



Butch, I can't find your email address.

At 02:41 PM 2/21/2021, Butch Bussen via Talk, wrote:

I don't think Doug can send you a copy.  Write me off list

Send to
but...@fairpoint.net

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

> Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
> I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I 
> really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is driving 
> me crazy.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk

> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
> To: Jane Carona via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
> resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
> immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I 
> realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE 
> and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites indicated 
> that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and decided to 
> switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all with MS 
> Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it perfect, 
> no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided to 
> switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good. I 
> will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
> understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to 
> do.
> 
> As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for 
> office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it was 
> Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been 
> searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I 
> actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out 
> how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.
> 
> One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we 
> go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps. 
> Bernie.
> 
> On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

> > Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-

> > From: Talk
> >  On Behalf
> > Of BK via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > Cc: BK 
> > Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> > 
> > 
> > Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of
> > WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with 
> > win 10.

> > That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
> > 
> > Butch K.

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Or you could find out if they still have the free update for the blind. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 12:08 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[john schwery via Talk]

Butch, I can't find your email address.

At 02:41 PM 2/21/2021, Butch Bussen via Talk, wrote:

I don't think Doug can send you a copy.  Write me off list

Send to
but...@fairpoint.net

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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:


Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, 
but I really don't want to bug him, but I really want 
WE9.5.4.  Jaws is driving me crazy.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
 On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years 
ago, I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was 
using both WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and 
more sites indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I 
gave in and decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did 
not work at all with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied 
with Chrome but is it perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I 
did upgrade and then I decided to switch to a copy of WE for 
office.  Again, I found this generally good. I will admit that I 
don't use much of office and I wish I had a better understanding of 
it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to do.


As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE 
for office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I 
think it was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 
file.  I have been searching my old email messages to see if I can 
find the link.  I actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but 
will have to figure out how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.


One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows 
as we go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this 
helps.  Bernie.


On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of
WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work 
with win 10.

That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I don't think Doug can send you a copy.  Write me off list

Send to
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On Sun, 21 Feb 
2021, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:



Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I really 
don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is driving me crazy.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I resisted 
making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE immediately after a 
new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I realized this was not a 
good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse 
the net, more and more sites indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. 
Finally I gave in and decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did 
not work at all with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but 
is it perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided 
to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good. I 
will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to do.

As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for office, 
you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it was Rod Hutton 
who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been searching my old 
email messages to see if I can find the link.  I actually have the file on my 
Win 10 machine but will have to figure out how to send it.  I am not sure at 
this time.

One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we go and 
am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.

On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of
WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[John Covici via Talk]

You definitely can upgrade for free, you just have to download their
media creation tool and if you have a valid Windows 7 license, it will
upgrade without any problems.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 00:08:38 -0500,
Richard Petty via Talk wrote:
> 
> I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
> I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
> do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
> Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
> is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
> software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
> experiences.
> 
> You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
> a price over the phone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Brendan 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
> can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
> Take Care
> Brendan
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Richard Petty via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Richard Petty
> Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
> did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
> Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
> they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
> did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
> but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
> I can at least receive that support now.
> 
> By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
> with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
> changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
> Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
> well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
> told, although from a knowledgable source.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
> send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
> have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
> know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
> works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jane Carona via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Jane Carona
> Subject: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
> who's here and to say hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
> and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
> Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
> reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
> know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
> Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?
> 
> 
> 
> Jane Carona
> 
> jane.e.car...@gmail.com <mailto:jane.e.car...@gmail.com>
> 
> 
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[john schwery via Talk]

Jane, I have the Office version but not the regular version.

At 09:41 AM 2/21/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:

Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but 
I really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is 
driving me crazy.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
 On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years 
ago, I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was 
using both WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more 
sites indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave 
in and decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not 
work at all with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with 
Chrome but is it perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did 
upgrade and then I decided to switch to a copy of WE for 
office.  Again, I found this generally good. I will admit that I 
don't use much of office and I wish I had a better understanding of 
it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to do.


As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE 
for office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I 
think it was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 
file.  I have been searching my old email messages to see if I can 
find the link.  I actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but 
will have to figure out how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.


One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as 
we go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.


On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
>  On Behalf
> Of BK via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: BK 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>
>
> Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of
> WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not 
work with win 10.

> That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
>
> Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

How did you get WE9.5.4?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

But isn't this the window-eyes list?  At least it's a GW Micro talk list.
Is there another one?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Get on the window eyes list, and ask if there is somebody who will send you
9.4, while you are at it.  That's what I did.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:55 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.  
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I really 
don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is driving me crazy.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I resisted 
making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE immediately after a 
new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I realized this was not a 
good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse 
the net, more and more sites indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. 
Finally I gave in and decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did 
not work at all with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but 
is it perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided 
to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good. I 
will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to do.

As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for office, 
you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it was Rod Hutton 
who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been searching my old 
email messages to see if I can find the link.  I actually have the file on my 
Win 10 machine but will have to figure out how to send it.  I am not sure at 
this time.

One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we go and 
am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.

On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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>  On Behalf 
> Of BK via Talk
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> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: BK 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
>
>
> Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of 
> WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 
> 10.
> That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
>
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I upgraded a couple computers a couple years ago, and did not tell 
window-eyes not to run.  It locked up the saystem and I had to start 
fvrom scratch losing everything on that system.  The next time, I think 
I either uninstalled window-eyes or told it not to run at startup, not 
sure.  Anyhow, that one worked as expected.  I have a lot of stuff that 
won't run under ten, so run seven 32 bit system which will much of my 
older stuff such as my old pc braille program.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Steve 
Jacobson via Talk wrote:



I would also suggest calling Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900 
And ask how best to upgrade.  There have been some special upgrade prices for 
people using screen readers.  Although some have expired, there is always a 
chance that some could still be in effect.

You also have to consider your hardware.  I had a parallel port card that would 
not work under Windows 10 and even kept it from loading.  I think the upgrade 
is worth it, and mostly it will go smoothly, but set aside a day or even a 
weekend to do it.  If it only takes a couple of hours, then you have time to 
party.  Sometimes screen readers have to be re-installed.  If you are using 
Window-Eyes, be sure you have a copy you can install from a CD or a disk image. 
 You will be able to run Windows Narrator for most of the upgrade.  Also make 
sure you have software that you use a lot in a form that it can be 
re-installed.  The upgrade process does move a lot of software, but it isn't 
perfect.  Some hardware, Scanners and Printers particularly, will not have 
drivers under Windows 10, but this is pretty rare.

I am not trying to talk you out of this because I think it is worth upgrading.  
However, your upgrade will go better if you are prepared for any difficulties 
ahead of time.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:09 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Richard Petty 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New

RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

I would also suggest calling Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900 
And ask how best to upgrade.  There have been some special upgrade prices for 
people using screen readers.  Although some have expired, there is always a 
chance that some could still be in effect.

You also have to consider your hardware.  I had a parallel port card that would 
not work under Windows 10 and even kept it from loading.  I think the upgrade 
is worth it, and mostly it will go smoothly, but set aside a day or even a 
weekend to do it.  If it only takes a couple of hours, then you have time to 
party.  Sometimes screen readers have to be re-installed.  If you are using 
Window-Eyes, be sure you have a copy you can install from a CD or a disk image. 
 You will be able to run Windows Narrator for most of the upgrade.  Also make 
sure you have software that you use a lot in a form that it can be 
re-installed.  The upgrade process does move a lot of software, but it isn't 
perfect.  Some hardware, Scanners and Printers particularly, will not have 
drivers under Windows 10, but this is pretty rare.

I am not trying to talk you out of this because I think it is worth upgrading.  
However, your upgrade will go better if you are prepared for any difficulties 
ahead of time.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:09 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Richard Petty 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does

RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Richard Petty via Talk]

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com <mailto:jane.e.car...@gmail.com>



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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I 
realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE 
and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites indicated 
that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and decided to 
switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all with MS 
Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it perfect, 
no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided to 
switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good.  
I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to 
do.


As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for 
office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it 
was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been 
searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I 
actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out 
how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.


One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we 
go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.


On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Brendan via Talk]

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten, 
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.

Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I still use window-eyes most of the time.  I find on some internet 
73

Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


pages, n v d a works better.  I won't use jaws.  On Sat, 20 Feb 2021, Jane 
Carona via Talk wrote:



Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Richard Petty via Talk]

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Get on the window eyes list, and ask if there is somebody who will send you 
9.4, while you are at it.  That's what I did.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:55 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I got the free jaws from window eyes, but it was a dud!  It wouldn't hold my 
settings, then when I went to reset them again, it wouldn't let me.  So, I 
just never put it in this laptop.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,
This is Brenda with Ortiz from the February 2018 Seeing Eye class. I didn’t 
realize you were a Window Eyes user, we could’ve talked about a great screen 
reader in class had I known.


I finally upgraded to windows 10 when we moved to Tennessee. I got a deal on 
jaws because I had some W-ESMA’s left. Between a laptop, windows 10 and jaws 
I never did get very good at computers again. actually, when I’m on the 
laptop I use narrator but mostly I use my iPhone.


Hope you and sailor are doing well.

Brenda
Dictated and sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Jane Carona via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to 
see

who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had 
Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still 
hate

Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Brenda via Talk]

Hi Jane,
This is Brenda with Ortiz from the February 2018 Seeing Eye class. I didn’t 
realize you were a Window Eyes user, we could’ve talked about a great screen 
reader in class had I known.

I finally upgraded to windows 10 when we moved to Tennessee. I got a deal on 
jaws because I had some W-ESMA’s left. Between a laptop, windows 10 and jaws I 
never did get very good at computers again. actually, when I’m on the laptop I 
use narrator but mostly I use my iPhone.

Hope you and sailor are doing well.

Brenda
Dictated and sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Jane Carona via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
> who's here and to say hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
> and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
> Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
> reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
> know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
> Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?
> 
> 
> 
> Jane Carona
> 
> jane.e.car...@gmail.com  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to 
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't 
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't 
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it 
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Brenda via Talk]

Hi Jane,
This is Brenda with Ortiz from the February 2018 Seeing Eye class. I didn’t 
realize you were a Window Eyes user, we could’ve talked about a great screen 
reader in class had I known.

I finally upgraded to windows 10 when we moved to Tennessee. I got a deal on 
jaws because I had some W-ESMA’s left. Between a laptop, windows 10 and jaws I 
never did get very good at computers again. actually, when I’m on the laptop I 
use narrator but mostly I use my iPhone.

Hope you and sailor are doing well.

Brenda
Dictated and sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Jane Carona via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
> who's here and to say hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
> and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
> Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
> reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
> know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
> Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?
> 
> 
> 
> Jane Carona
> 
> jane.e.car...@gmail.com  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Sky Taylor Mundell via Talk]

Hello. As for JAWS being the only game in town, That might be the case for 
workplaces, but NVDA is now a viable option and Narrator is coming along very 
well as well. I do miss Window-Eyes and wished Doug and gan could have been 
able to better promote the product so they could have beaten JAWS.

> On Feb 20, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via 
> Talk  wrote:
> 
> Jane, you'd probably need Version 9.5.4!  Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
> beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
> and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town; sounds
> like it is backed by some interesting politicians who are good at the game
> of punch, punch and punch some more.
> 
> You did say in your post that Doug added you to the list; hmm, could you be
> referring to Doug Geoffray?  Is it possible that he's still lurking around
> and just listening to us as often as he could?  
> 
> Window-Eyes, from its grave, continues to play ball well with Windows10
> despite what a few pundits say.  I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; what
> I have set up is working for me and I choose to LEAVE WELL alone.  I am a
> lot busier TINKERING WITH APPS in Androidville such that the thought of
> CROSSING THE REDMOND BRIDGE is just not there for now.  Anyhow, I'll keep on
> running and let others set the records a bit more straighter than I may have
> done.  Good luck and all the very best!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado 
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

Yes, it's Doug Geoffray who added me to the list, and I was so pleased to
get a message from him yesterday.  Both he and Jeremy Curry now work for
Microsoft.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:40 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, you'd probably need Version 9.5.4!  Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town; sounds
like it is backed by some interesting politicians who are good at the game
of punch, punch and punch some more.

You did say in your post that Doug added you to the list; hmm, could you be
referring to Doug Geoffray?  Is it possible that he's still lurking around
and just listening to us as often as he could?  

Window-Eyes, from its grave, continues to play ball well with Windows10
despite what a few pundits say.  I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; what
I have set up is working for me and I choose to LEAVE WELL alone.  I am a
lot busier TINKERING WITH APPS in Androidville such that the thought of
CROSSING THE REDMOND BRIDGE is just not there for now.  Anyhow, I'll keep on
running and let others set the records a bit more straighter than I may have
done.  Good luck and all the very best!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


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Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Jane, you'd probably need Version 9.5.4!  Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town; sounds
like it is backed by some interesting politicians who are good at the game
of punch, punch and punch some more.

You did say in your post that Doug added you to the list; hmm, could you be
referring to Doug Geoffray?  Is it possible that he's still lurking around
and just listening to us as often as he could?  

Window-Eyes, from its grave, continues to play ball well with Windows10
despite what a few pundits say.  I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; what
I have set up is working for me and I choose to LEAVE WELL alone.  I am a
lot busier TINKERING WITH APPS in Androidville such that the thought of
CROSSING THE REDMOND BRIDGE is just not there for now.  Anyhow, I'll keep on
running and let others set the records a bit more straighter than I may have
done.  Good luck and all the very best!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[BK via Talk]

Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win
10. That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[john schwery via Talk]

Jane, I'm still using WE with Win 7.  I don't have the latest version.

At 06:08 AM 2/20/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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