Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

2016-06-27 Thread Colin Smale
Is "NASA" really part of the actual name, or are you suggesting "tagging for the renderer" because you expect to see "NASA" on the map? NASA is certainly the operator, and that tag links the site to NASA. //colin On 2016-06-27 14:38, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: > Correct, without NASA in the name we

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-07-13 10:23, Lester Caine wrote: > W3W and OLC both have the same problem. They are trying to fix something > which is not really broken. I disagree with this... They are not trying to replace / fix up lat/lon, they are providing a lingua franca for people to use when communicating. It's

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-07-13 12:24, Dave F wrote: > On 13/07/2016 11:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> W3W is a coordinate system... > > I fail to see how it can even be described as that as there is no > coordination. The address of one block has no relation to adjacent ones. Agreed - it's not a coordinate sys

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
I am going to say this very quietly what3words On 2016-08-30 19:12, Florian Lohoff wrote: > Hola, > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 05:03:39PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Warning: > flame thread about to start. > > El tirsdag 30. august 2016 16.50.14 CEST Oleksiy Muzalyev escribió: It is

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
hoff wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 07:24:02PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I am going to say this very quietly what3words > > I dont think what3words solves the issue of structured Addressing. > > Addresses are typically strict hierarchical and offer some seri

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-08-30 20:10, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> w3w solves the problem of you not having a (compact) answer to "what´s your >> address?" if you want to have something delivered. The fact that you only >> h

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-08-30 20:25, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> We have - that's why I am whispering. But w3w is not intended for the US. >> It's for places which don't have addresses already, which apparently is a >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Working with lat and long simply

2016-09-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-09-10 18:55, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > Latitude and longitude are physical values, they will never change for a > house on Earth, no matter what. They do not depend on politics, economics, > linguistics of the current moment. You sure about that? Plate tectonics means that everything is

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual feedback wanted for OpenStreetMap Carto

2016-09-19 Thread Colin Smale
Maybe these two-part names should be entered into the database using a non-breaking hyphen (U+2011)? //colin On 2016-09-19 09:52, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > On 18/09/16 04:32, Paul Norman wrote: > >> I'm looking for feedback from people who read non-latin languages on a >> proposed OpenStreet

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM New Logo Proposal

2016-10-15 Thread Colin Smale
Normal practise is for the "marketing department" to have the logo available in a selection of forms, for different purposes. Think of different formats (square, 16:9, full-width banner etc), different resolutions, different colour depths, perhaps a monochrome version etc. In order to protect the "

Re: [OSM-talk] Lot's of locality names in an otherwise empty area

2016-11-20 Thread Colin Smale
Have you tried contacting the mappers who created and last edited these nodes? It looks like they were imported from some official source in 2011 and tidied up in 2014. --colin On 2016-11-20 18:41, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > I'm looking at the following section of OSM: > > http://www.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-18 Thread Colin Smale
I believe the phrase is "tagging wrongly for the renderer" - we constantly consider the users/consumers of the data when tagging, but it is clearly frowned upon to "lie" in the tagging to get something to show up in a particular way or otherwise to achieve a particular effect. Whether tagging is "c

Re: [OSM-talk] Tool for users to add wikidata tags

2017-06-11 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-06-11 18:18, Eric Gillet wrote: > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> I am concerned that reckless users will use your tool to basically go >> over the planet in a "task manager" fashion, running the matching for >> square after square, selecting all matches and hi

Re: [OSM-talk] Tool for users to add wikidata tags

2017-06-11 Thread Colin Smale
ith > 1cm accuracy, there will always be "accuracy problems" > > On Jun 11, 2017 1:15 PM, "Colin Smale" wrote: > > On 2017-06-11 18:18, Eric Gillet wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I am concerned that reckless user

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-18 Thread Colin Smale
In the UK it is a specific road class, with its own style of signage. So it is easily verifiable whether a road is a Trunk Road or not. Some Trunk Roads are motorway-like, but others are standard two-way roads. So actually it is not so much linked to the construction of the road, but to the fact th

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-19 Thread Colin Smale
> as a trunk road , it is not currently the case in France : > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/42344655#map=15/46.4275/0.6306 > > djakk > > Le ven. 18 août 2017 à 22:43, Colin Smale a écrit : > > In the UK it is a specific road class, with its own style of signage. So it > is ea

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
I agree, classification should be largely irrelevant to routing. Routing needs timings from node to node, which are best derived from bendiness, number of lanes, junctions etc and then capped to the legal maximum. A four-lane secondary, primary, trunk or motorway will all have the same effective s

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
e the full picture. I would like to take a closer look at your example route... Can you give start and end locations? --colin On 2017-08-22 13:13, Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/08/17 11:41, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I agree, classification should be largely irrelevant to routing. &g

[OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
I just got an email from the mailing list system that my account/membership had been disabled due to "excessive bounces". I have no idea why, but that is not the point I want to make here. My point is that the email I received contained my password to that account, in plain text! WTF#1: Why is it

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-11-25 11:53, Éric Gillet wrote: > This is non-ideal, but you were warned during your account creation that this > password is to be considered non-secure : > >> You may enter a privacy password below. This provides only mild security, >> but should prevent others from messing with you

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 25 November 2017 16:04:45 CET, "Éric Gillet" wrote: > Another point : This password is not secure, but what the worst that >could >happen with it ? As long as one don't reuse it on other applications >(as >warned during registration), the only action an attacker could do would >be >to unsubs

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-11-25 17:31, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 25/11/17 15:37, Colin Smale wrote: > > On 25 November 2017 16:04:45 CET, "Éric Gillet" > wrote: Another point : This password is not secure, but what the worst that > could > happen with it ? As long as one don't reu

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-11-25 17:59, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 11/25/2017 11:12 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I just got an email from the mailing list system that my >> account/membership had been disabled due to "excessive bounces". I have >> no idea why, but t

Re: [OSM-talk] Questions about levels and fractional levels as well as how to handle them.

2017-12-21 Thread Colin Smale
Hallo John, A level is not a unit of measurement like a metre or a kilogram. If level 1.5 exists, it only tells you that it is between level 1 and level 2. If a landing on a staircase between level 1 and level 2 is to be assigned a level, it wouldn't make any difference if you called it 1.1 or 1.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-24 Thread Colin Smale
The technical differences between java and JS do not preclude generic thinking. Consider tzdata[1] for example, which does something analogous for time zone data. The "rules database" can be made portable, in the form of XML or JSON for example. The logic for using these rules can be described in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-24 Thread Colin Smale
like taginfo > > Integrating scripting environment may be difficult, but offers far greater > benefits of rule consistency and flexibility. > > On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > The technical differences between java and JS do not preclude generic &

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-26 Thread Colin Smale
Why bother anyway? Why not just leave it to FvGordon? 90k changesets fixing other people's tagging errors... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/FvGordon/history Actually, an analysis of all these changesets might produce some interesting insights into "frequently made errors". //colin On 2017

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts - why is a separate segment required?

2018-02-14 Thread Colin Smale
Based on my experiences with mkgmap it's not so much a routing problem as a navigation problem. The router will pick the correct path through the graph but the translation to "human instructions" get confused, like the exit numbers and the way the roundabouts display. Turning right at a roundabout,

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts - why is a separate segment required?

2018-02-15 Thread Colin Smale
Just to throw another concept into the mix... so-called flare roads, where a road joining a roundabout (or other junction for that matter) splits into two short one-way segments which go either side of an obstacle. Mkgmap tries to recognise them by seeing if they come together within X metres. Why

Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

2018-02-17 Thread Colin Smale
Java and Javascript have only those four letters in common. They are completely unconnected in all other respects. On 2018-02-17 19:54, john whelan wrote: > JAVA script is used by web sites. It does not require JAVA to be installed. > > JAVA itself may or may not be a security risk the issue is

Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

2018-02-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-02-17 22:02, Jakob Mühldorfer wrote: > Thanks for pointing it out to us! > > I too have some thoughts on points in the article. > One I agree with, one not > > Let me start with this one: > "No Support For Observational, or Other Datasets" > This is the point I agree with. > OSM is missi

Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change

2018-07-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-07-25 16:05, Daniel Koć wrote: > We have the same problem with hospital symbol. There's even an official > generic symbol that we could use, called "red crystal" (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement#The_Red_Crystal > ) and I like it very mu

Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change

2018-07-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-07-25 17:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I guess it would be perceived as shooting themselves in the foot if the > international red cross would file a lawsuit against osmf for using a red > cross as icon for hospitals. It has happened before. The ICRC are totally fanatical about the p

Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change

2018-07-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-07-25 17:13, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 25.07.2018 o 16:39, Colin Smale pisze: > >> The Red Crystal symbol is protected by the ICRC. We can't use it, nor can we >> use the Red Cross or Red Crescent. There have been numerous legal cases >> which came down t

Re: [OSM-talk] Odp: Re: highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

2018-08-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-08-10 14:01, marekskleciak wrote: > We have also mechanism for area routing but, that's true graphs are easier.. Do you have any links/references for area routing? What "mechanism" are you thinking of here?___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-10-22 16:34, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I strongly disagree, we map reality. There is no one true reality, only perceptions. Which reality takes precedence in your mind, may not be the same for everyone. Reality is subjective. What is the test to apply to decide whether a point is inclu

Re: [OSM-talk] Board decision on Crimea complaint

2018-12-11 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-11 13:53, Simon Poole wrote: > As Frederik pointed out a bit back, this is just kicking the can down > the road. > > We will still have to make choices Why? It would be better if OSM did not make choices, but represented differing points of view equally, without expressing any kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-15 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-15 12:54, Andy Townsend wrote: > The whole point of the "verifiability" and "ground truth" principles is so as > _not_ to have to rely on documents. First time I have heard that as a (documented) rationale behind "ground truth". Surely the stronger requirement is public verifiabilit

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-15 Thread Colin Smale
December 2018 14:53:31 CET, Christoph Hormann wrote: >On Saturday 15 December 2018, Colin Smale wrote: >> > The whole point of the "verifiability" and "ground truth" >> > principles is so as _not_ to have to rely on documents. >> >> First time

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-15 Thread Colin Smale
o have parallel fora, especially when discussing something as fundamental as this. Either we do it here on the ML, or on your blog post, or on the OSM wiki; but please, not in three places at once. On 2018-12-15 15:24, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Saturday 15 December 2018, Colin Smale wrote: &

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-17 09:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Sa., 15. Dez. 2018 um 16:09 Uhr schrieb Colin Smale > : > >> "without access to the same sources" ... what if there is only one source of >> truth? With these non-observable items like admin boundaries that

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-17 14:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> On 17. Dec 2018, at 13:31, Tomas Straupis wrote: >> >> Especially interesting and useful would be stories of how maritime >> boundaries or boundaries with no considerable obstructions built have >> been actually mapped by

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence for Sentinel Satellite images

2018-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-17 19:40, Sérgio V. wrote: > (BTW, sorry for typo in title, "License") I see no typo in the title... Licence is the correct English spelling :-)___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-17 23:16, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 17/12/2018 09:41, Colin Smale wrote: > >> One other thing: in the UK the boundaries of the area and the local >> authority running that area are two different things. A local authority can >> run a combination of adjacent

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-18 Thread Colin Smale
the new districts.) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1995/493/made On 2018-12-18 00:42, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2018-12-17 23:16, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 17/12/2018 09:41, Colin Smale wrote: One other thing: in the UK the > boundaries of the area and the local authority running

Re: [OSM-talk] Flying club ?

2014-04-25 Thread Colin Smale
I think the "club house" is more relevant than the "headquarters". "Headquarters" usually implies administrative offices, which may be in a different location. Most visitors (pilots, passengers etc in this case) will not want the offices, but the main building where the club activities take plac

[OSM-talk] Chinese doodles / vandalism

2014-04-26 Thread Colin Smale
User "mangoyang" has been doodling random multipolygons in the middle of the North Sea, Thames Estuary and the Severn Estuary, some of which purport to be buildings... He (or she) has only 35 edits to their name so it may be a case of the user using an empty piece of the world for practise. The

[OSM-talk] UK is turning blue?

2014-06-17 Thread Colin Smale
Hi, I'm not sure this is the right place to raise this, but does anyone know why the UK is turning blue on openstreetmap.org? It is clearly visible across Oxfordshire and Bucks at z12-z14 as tiles are re-rendered. Colin ___ talk mailing list talk

Re: [OSM-talk] UK is turning blue?

2014-06-17 Thread Colin Smale
s. It only appears at z11-z13. On this map, the left half is "blue" (last rendered June 17) and the right half is "normal" (last rendered June 10). http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/52.0770/-0.7172 On 2014-06-18 01:10, Michael Kugelmann wrote: > Am 18.06.2014 00:41, schr

Re: [OSM-talk] UK is turning blue?

2014-06-18 Thread Colin Smale
Indeed, it seems to be fixing itself now. Panic over! On 2014-06-18 08:56, JB wrote: > After rerendering (/dirty), blue went away: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/51.9605/-0.7644 [2] > > Le 18/06/2014 08:27, Colin Smale a écrit : > > It only appears to be happe

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
It depends whether a right of way exists. Things are rather complicated in the UK. Private means private, so no entry by default. If you are visiting an address on a private road, you have presumably been invited, explicitly or implicitly. An unofficial sign "residents only" might not have any f

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
On 2014-08-03 16:24, Craig Wallace wrote: On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such as: - 'Private road' - 'Private road no parking' - 'Private road no parking no turning' - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking o

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
As this discussion is about UK specifics, I thought it would be a good plan to reach out to the talk-GB list. --colin On 2014-08-03 16:44, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2014-08-03 16:24, Craig Wallace wrote: > On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK &

Re: [OSM-talk] Monitoring route relations

2014-11-16 Thread Colin Smale
I have also been looking for such a facility - in my case for admin boundaries. Colin On 2014-11-16 10:38, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I try to find a tool that continuously monitors all members of a relation for > changes. Specifically I would like to be informed automatically by email when

Re: [OSM-talk] Monitoring route relations

2014-11-16 Thread Colin Smale
ink user Wambacher already monitors the admin boundaries for his website: > https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ [2] , so you might contact him. > > regards > m > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > I have also been looking for such a

Re: [OSM-talk] Change: How mature is OpenStreetMap?

2015-01-05 Thread Colin Smale
Attack is the best form of defence? On 2015-01-06 06:46, Jo Walsh wrote: > dear Michal, > > This is an interesting set of comprehensive criticisms that gives OSM > something to aim for in terms of a classical maturity model. > > However, I wonder what you bring to the party apart from crit

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

2015-02-16 Thread Colin Smale
+1 to that! Hope it doesn't lead to an outbreak of "tagging for the router" though... You know, down/upgrading roads to "improve" the results... My first quick test in Kent yielded a route (about 6 miles) which while perfectly viable, no-one in their right mind would take. But that is probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Territorial waters of Gibraltar

2015-04-07 Thread Colin Smale
As you will have noticed by now, it's complicated. There is no "truth" agreed to by both sides, so we may need two boundaries: one according to Spain, and one according to Gib/UK. In between is "disputed territory". How do we handle that in other cases? http://ersilia.net/ET2050_library/docs/m

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

2015-04-26 Thread Colin Smale
There already is a "through_route" relation, to show the path of the through route. It might not be well documented, but it is used (I believe)by mkgmap. There was a proposal, which was eventually rejected: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/through_route IMHO it was reject

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

2015-04-26 Thread Colin Smale
The difference between routing and navigation is that the routing algorithm will work out which road you need to be on, but it is the "navigation" aspect which makes translates the routing graph to useful instructions for a human. If the main road does a 90 degree left at a T-junction, something

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

2015-04-27 Thread Colin Smale
The trouble with nodes is that they are non-directional. Junctions in quick succession, and lane-dependent give-ways could make a challenging scenario for a program to try and make sense of. Why not tag it explicitly instead of leaving it to heuristics which (by definition) will not always get i

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

2015-04-27 Thread Colin Smale
Won't work in the UK as there are plenty of cases where you have to give way and make a proper turn in order to stay on the same road name and/or ref. The concept even has a name - TOTSO which means "Turn Off To Stay On". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Martinvl/TOTSO You cannot reliably i

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

2015-04-28 Thread Colin Smale
Agree with that! On 2015-04-28 11:10, Lester Caine wrote: > On 28/04/15 05:10, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> I'd call this mostly a routing presentation issue. If the road name is the >> same, I'd want any super sharp curve to warn me: "Tight left in 100 meters", >> or "15mph left turn ahead"

Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

2015-04-28 Thread Colin Smale
The existing through_route proposal may not be perfect but IMHO is a good base. It will need weeding through to keep it on-topic. This is how I see the scope of the discussion (just to get the ball rolling, feel free to shoot): 1) it has to be about junctions, not about individual ways (it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

2015-04-28 Thread Colin Smale
quot;through route" may not be symmetrical. //colin On 2015-04-28 13:47, pmailkeey . wrote: > On 28 April 2015 at 11:05, Colin Smale wrote: > >> The existing through_route proposal may not be perfect but IMHO is a good >> base. It will need weeding through to keep it

Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

2015-04-28 Thread Colin Smale
The "give way" sign won't help to distinguish between the arms where two roads diverge... By the way, the sign is often a STOP sign, so the logic will have to check for both. //colin On 2015-04-28 17:09, pmailkeey . wrote: > On 28 April 2015 at 13:15, Colin Smale

Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

2015-04-28 Thread Colin Smale
e. all roads are deemed equal and no one road/route has priority over the others. These junctions are usually unmarked (i.e. no white lines and no signs) because they are deemed to be "default" in the absence of "priority road" signs (yellow diamonds). //colin On 2015-04-28

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-04-30 Thread Colin Smale
I wonder how a marketing department would react if their (potential) customers complained they couldn't find the store. On 2015-05-01 08:47, Simon Poole wrote: > Am 01.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Nicholas G Lawrence: > > >> Exactly why this is necessary is a mystery to me. If business wan

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Colin Smale
ut what the OSMF is or does in the ecosystem. On 2015-05-01 09:45, Simon Poole wrote: > Am 01.05.2015 um 08:56 schrieb Colin Smale: > >> I wonder how a marketing department would react if their (potential) >> customers complained they couldn't find the store. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

2015-05-02 Thread Colin Smale
A bit of a meta-discussion I wonder why this topic is not going the same way as the debate on talk-gb last November-December in which it was proposed to tidy up and normalise various spelling variants? There was a lot of vehement opposition to any automated "corrections" as many chains are i

[OSM-talk] Data Quality - was Re: Chain Store Cleanup

2015-05-02 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-05-02 23:28, Frederik Ramm wrote: We collect observations. ... There is no way for the mapper on the ground to know that the name on the building "should" be something else. I think that sounds rather disingenuous. We humans are perfectly capable of correctly interpreting data whi

Re: [OSM-talk] Broken coastline

2015-05-11 Thread Colin Smale
...And this may be different to the limit of government jurisdiction. In the UK, local authorities' jurisdiction goes (normally) to MLWS (mean low water - spring tides), which is beyond the MHWS coastline. Why am I saying this? Please don't use the same way in both the coastline and the admin bo

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway - "routable network" and reservoirs/lakes

2015-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
If we can separate the flow direction discussion from the routing, the latter becomes a more generic "routing through areas" problem which has been discussed before in the context of pedestrian routing. The idea being that it should be possible to construct a routing engine to take you from any

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway - "routable network" and reservoirs/lakes

2015-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
of a boat. Simply adding a way from one side of a lake to the other to stop some QA program complaining is bordering on tagging for the renderer... --colin On 28 July 2015 11:17:00 CEST, Christoph Hormann wrote: >On Tuesday 28 July 2015, Colin Smale wrote: >> If we can separate the flow

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway - "routable network" and reservoirs/lakes

2015-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
Before doing the actual routing, the polygon for the "whole lake" must be preprocessed in various ways: eliminate areas which are too shallow, prohibited, one-way/wrong-way, subject to traffic controls etc. Then the routing algorithm can avoid all these no-go areas, just as if they were physical

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Am I mapping this wrong, or should the router be fixed for this?

2015-07-30 Thread Colin Smale
Practical maxspeed is useless as well. A straight wide road may be capable of hosting land speed records, but traffic density is likely to be a far more important factor. On 30 July 2015 19:56:41 CEST, Richard wrote: >On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:52:57AM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: > >> The issue o

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Am I mapping this wrong, or should the router be fixed for this?

2015-07-30 Thread Colin Smale
e a lot of preprocessing to simplify the real-time calculations), so they use heuristics which work most often. So how would you define the concept of "typical speed"? --colin On 30 July 2015 20:38:32 CEST, Richard wrote: >On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:00:55PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: >> Pra

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
So who decides what is good data and what is bad data? And "visibility on the ground" needs nuancing. Are we to remove underground pipelines/power lines? Or boundaries? "Visible and/or verifiable" might be better. A rule that needs loads of exceptions, is not a well formed rule. An abandoned

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-08-15 13:15, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> So who decides what is good data and what is bad data? > > The community as a whole decides what is good and bad data. That starts with > the local community an

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
I meant it a bit rhetorically... Let's live and let live, instead of deleting stuff that *we* don't happen to be interested in. Which brings us back to Russ's original point. On 2015-08-15 14:08, Lester Caine wrote: > On 15/08/15 12:55, Colin Smale wrote: > >&g

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread Colin Smale
If only all this energy were directed at helping OSM forwards. We haven't had a lot of progress in the last few years (I am not talking about mapping as such, but about the OSM framework itself). There are still periodical discussions about how to link OSM with other data sources - OSM IDs are

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-08-17 13:37, Warin wrote: > On 17/08/2015 4:28 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> If only all this energy were directed at helping OSM forwards. We haven't >> had a lot of progress in the last few years (I am not talking about mapping >> as such, but a

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-17 Thread Colin Smale
t; On 08/17/2015 03:13 PM, Colin Smale wrote: So if I think something is useful > to me, and I am prepared to maintain > it to my own satisfaction, I can feel free add it I'd think it should be documented in the wiki .. so others can 'see' what it is and use it if they like

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-08-18 02:13, Warin wrote: > On 17/08/2015 11:13 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> ...which IMHO is part of the bigger picture of data quality. Quality is not >> the same as perfection. It is about agreeing things, complying with what has >> been agreed, th

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

2015-08-20 Thread Colin Smale
That discussion is only a waste of time because people hope that a consensus will magically appear. The subject of the discussion is absolutely something which deserves air-time. I am not talking about the specific case of abandoned railways, but about who has the right to decide what data has n

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

2015-08-20 Thread Colin Smale
wants to work with you on this anymore. > > In Poland we have this often-used saying with regards to the political > or social situation (yeah, we Poles like to complain a lot!) - it sucks > but at least it's stable! > > Paweł > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015, at 11:39, Coli

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

2015-08-21 Thread Colin Smale
While we are at it, what about specific symbols for train/metro stations per operator? That is also a great "landmark" for map users. On 2015-08-21 11:57, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Minh Nguyen > wrote: > >> Lester Caine lsces.co.uk [1]> writes: >> >>> Just w

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-29 Thread Colin Smale
This is your opinion, which you are seeking to impose on everybody. Somewhat selectively it would appear, as you are not going to burn your fingers on highway=proposed. I guess you will be deleting the HS2 (proposed UK high speed rail line) route as well, right? If you would like to, you will fi

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-09-02 Thread Colin Smale
Are you suggesting that parcel boundaries have no place in OSM, or that only verifiable sources should be used? Suppose there was a suitably licensed source of such boundaries, with authoritative provenance. Would you be against this being in OSM on principle? Or is it only your supposition that

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-09-02 Thread Colin Smale
, is going a bit far. On 2015-09-02 12:30, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 02/09/2015, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Are you suggesting that parcel boundaries have no place in OSM, or that >> only verifiable sources should be used? Suppose there was a suitably >> licensed s

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-09-02 Thread Colin Smale
data that is agreed by the entire world. On 2015-09-02 14:23, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: > On Wed Sep 2 13:15:42 2015 GMT+0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: On 02/09/2015, > Colin Smale wrote: I see two separate issues getting > mixed up: firstly, what types of data > "belong&

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] understanding administrative boundary relations

2015-09-04 Thread Colin Smale
There already is such a tool, which currently only watches UK+Ireland. http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/boundaries/ Try contacting Ed Loach, the author (EdLoach on OSM). --colin On 2015-09-04 09:39, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote: > >> It has occurred

Re: [OSM-talk] The wki pages ... for the mapper? or the render? or both?

2015-09-10 Thread Colin Smale
Is there a metamodel behind this? Something that says (simplistic example) there are "objects" which have "properties" and "links to / relationships with other objects"? And how this might map to OSM entities and their tagging? IMHO something like this as a "poster on the wall for every mapper

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-11 Thread Colin Smale
Why shouldn't it work? It is perfectly easy to understand what is intended. Anyway where is the list or definition of what constitutes a *primary* tag? On 2015-09-12 00:11, Dave F. wrote: > On 11/09/2015 03:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> But the primary key is definitely highway=track, pe

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-12 Thread Colin Smale
you help me out and give a link to the page you are referring to? On 12 September 2015 10:33:58 CEST, "Dave F." wrote: >On 12/09/2015 04:09, Warin wrote: >> On 12/09/2015 8:36 AM, Colin Smale wrote: >>> >>> Why shouldn't it work? It is perfectl

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-12 Thread Colin Smale
a human's cognitive processes at their disposal. Is amenity a primary tag? It certainly causes something to render. Is building a primary tag? Same here. Is it improper to have both on the same object? Of course not. On 12 September 2015 13:55:20 CEST, "Dave F." wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-12 Thread Colin Smale
Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all this bullying. Nobody has given a *consistent* answer yet. Why are "former railway lines" which are no longer immediately evident on the ground forbidden so vehemently in OSM when so many other artefacts from the past are not?

Re: [OSM-talk] Somebody should offer planet file postgis dump files

2015-09-27 Thread Colin Smale
I wonder how many people are actually using world-wide data as opposed to being interested in specific geographic areas. Country/region based planet dumps would definitely get my vote, especially if there was such a thing as a regional full history file... On 2015-09-27 15:55, Daniel Koć wro

[OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Colin Smale
Hi, User WJtW[1] has been making large numbers of edits to railways across Europe in the past few months, all with the changeset comment "Electrified". Most of them are adding tags like gauge=1435 which may well be right (although I have no idea of his source for this). However on many occasio

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Colin Smale
ndicating it is > a superfluous tag when all tracks are mapped. > > It borders on vandalism. > > [1 [1]] <http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30099> > > Regards, > Maarten > > On 2015-10-07 09:20, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Hi, >>

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