Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

[Warin]

On 6/28/2016 1:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


2016-06-27 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ethan Nelson >:


I would agree with leaving NASA out of the name=* tag as we
similarly don't name Fort Meade as ''United States Army Fort
George G. Meade'' [0].

[0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/133445



that's a lot of tags, but so far there's no way besides looking at 
wikipedia to see that it's run by the army. I think you would improve 
the tagging to add official_name="United States Army Fort George G. 
Meade'' and operator=*




No.

Use the 'operator=' to add the NASA, US Army etc, the 'name=' should 
only be the name!


We don't use road names to include reference designations (e.g. 
Macquarie Drive B87 is 'name=Macquarie Drive' 'ref=B87' not 
'name=Macquarie Drive (B87)'  ... so we should not use names to include 
operators.
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Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-06-27 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ethan Nelson :

> I would agree with leaving NASA out of the name=* tag as we similarly don't
> name Fort Meade as ''United States Army Fort George G. Meade'' [0].
>
> [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/133445
>


that's a lot of tags, but so far there's no way besides looking at
wikipedia to see that it's run by the army. I think you would improve the
tagging to add official_name="United States Army Fort George G. Meade'' and
operator=*

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

[Ethan Nelson]

I would agree with leaving NASA out of the name=* tag as we similarly don't 
name Fort Meade as ''United States Army Fort George G. Meade'' [0]. One 
exception to having NASA in the name is the headquarters building in downtown 
DC [1], but GSFC should probably have NASA removed from its name= field to be 
consistent with the others.


> It remains to solve the JPL case, where the operator is the Caltech but it is 
> a NASA center 
> (http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=198909689)


For JPL, Caltech is indeed currently the operator under contract from NASA. 
That is prominently noted in publications [2] and is already listed in OSM 
under the operator= tag [3]. Perhaps adding an owner= tag with NASA as the 
value can reflect the situation. Do note that the note= tag on the JPL way [3] 
also already details this information.


Best,

Ethan


[0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/133445

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/48037371

[2] http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/MWR-D-11-00087.1#page=17 (last 
sentence in acknowledgements)

[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/374485271

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Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

[Fabrizio Carrai]

No, it's clear to me that we don't "tag for the renderer". I'm trying to
have all the main info in the tags, easier if it would to go in the name.
But it is not going in this way. For what I can find the correct names
looks like as we have now:

"Johnson Space Center"
"Marshall Space Flight Center"
etc..

Then they are referred as NASA sites as "NASA's Johnson ... space center",
"NASA's Marshall...space center", etc... So, the name=* looks good.

It remains to solve the JPL case, where the operator is the Caltech but it
is a NASA center (
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=198909689)

FabC


2016-06-27 14:57 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale :

> Is "NASA" really part of the actual name, or are you suggesting "tagging
> for the renderer" because you expect to see "NASA" on the map? NASA is
> certainly the operator, and that tag links the site to NASA.
>
> //colin
>
>
>
>
> On 2016-06-27 14:38, Fabrizio Carrai wrote:
>
> Correct, without NASA in the name we miss the important relation with the
> agency.
>
>
>
> 2016-06-27 13:29 GMT+02:00 Adam Schreiber :
>
>> NASA could be added to the operator tag.  That could cause some confusion
>> with regard to JPL as it's operated by the California Institute of
>> Technology for NASA.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adam
>> On Jun 27, 2016 07:05, "Fabrizio Carrai" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I was checking about the NASA sites and I found the "NASA" term was not
>>> always presente in the name tag:
>>>
>>> "Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center", Houston [1]
>>> "Kennedy Space Center" (See Note below)
>>> "Jet Propulsion Laboratory" , Pasadena, California [2]
>>>
>>> The Goddard is an exception (IMHO correct and complete)
>>>
>>> "NASA Goddard Space Flight Center" [3]
>>>
>>> Note: The Kennedy Space Center limits are not defined, I don't know if
>>> they can be.
>>>
>>> Sometime "NASA" is indicated as "operator". What do you think, should
>>> NASA be added to all the names ?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your opinion.
>>>
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>>> *[1] **http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/29.5630/-95.0919
>>> *
>>> *[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/374485271
>>> *
>>> *[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4237285
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Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

[Colin Smale]

Is "NASA" really part of the actual name, or are you suggesting "tagging
for the renderer" because you expect to see "NASA" on the map? NASA is
certainly the operator, and that tag links the site to NASA. 

//colin

On 2016-06-27 14:38, Fabrizio Carrai wrote:

> Correct, without NASA in the name we miss the important relation with the 
> agency. 
> 
> 2016-06-27 13:29 GMT+02:00 Adam Schreiber :
> 
> NASA could be added to the operator tag.  That could cause some confusion 
> with regard to JPL as it's operated by the California Institute of Technology 
> for NASA. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam
> 
> On Jun 27, 2016 07:05, "Fabrizio Carrai"  wrote: 
> 
> Hello all, 
> I was checking about the NASA sites and I found the "NASA" term was not 
> always presente in the name tag: 
> 
> "Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center", Houston [1] 
> "Kennedy Space Center" (See Note below) 
> "Jet Propulsion Laboratory" , Pasadena, California [2] 
> 
> The Goddard is an exception (IMHO correct and complete) 
> 
> "NASA Goddard Space Flight Center" [3] 
> 
> Note: The Kennedy Space Center limits are not defined, I don't know if they 
> can be. 
> 
> Sometime "NASA" is indicated as "operator". What do you think, should NASA be 
> added to all the names ? 
> 
> Thanks for your opinion.
> 
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> _[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/374485271_ 
> _[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4237285_ 
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Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 27 giu 2016, alle ore 14:38, Fabrizio Carrai 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Correct, without NASA in the name we miss the important relation with the 
> agency.


if nasa is part of the name it should be added, if it id officially part but 
usually not used it can be put under official_name, operator seems a good tag 
as well where it applies.

I could even imagine "brand" or network if people want to be more specific than 
"NASA" in the operator tag (likely not applying here, the NASA sites I looked 
at clearly stated NASA and didn't name any child organizations in a prominent 
way)


cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

[Fabrizio Carrai]

Correct, without NASA in the name we miss the important relation with the
agency.



2016-06-27 13:29 GMT+02:00 Adam Schreiber :

> NASA could be added to the operator tag.  That could cause some confusion
> with regard to JPL as it's operated by the California Institute of
> Technology for NASA.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam
> On Jun 27, 2016 07:05, "Fabrizio Carrai" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I was checking about the NASA sites and I found the "NASA" term was not
>> always presente in the name tag:
>>
>> "Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center", Houston [1]
>> "Kennedy Space Center" (See Note below)
>> "Jet Propulsion Laboratory" , Pasadena, California [2]
>>
>> The Goddard is an exception (IMHO correct and complete)
>>
>> "NASA Goddard Space Flight Center" [3]
>>
>> Note: The Kennedy Space Center limits are not defined, I don't know if
>> they can be.
>>
>> Sometime "NASA" is indicated as "operator". What do you think, should
>> NASA be added to all the names ?
>>
>> Thanks for your opinion.
>>
>> --
>> *FabC*
>>
>> *[1] **http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/29.5630/-95.0919
>> *
>> *[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/374485271
>> *
>> *[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4237285
>> *
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