Hi Roelof,
On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:29:58 +0200 (4:29 PM here), Roelof Otten [RO]
wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
RO Can't confirm. I even added two icons to the main toolbar without
RO problems. Customizations are saved perfectly.
Thanks for the reply. Because it works for you, I tried an
Hæ!
Today morning, I decided to go back to v3.0.2.10, after launching v3.5.
v3.5 decided somehow to completely delete or forget the different
view modes I assigned to different folders. This is a PITA. :(
Furthermore, due to the underlining of accounts, the account tree now
takes more space on
Hello Allie,
Tony's issue is just another example of how Mulberry depends on the
IMAP server for parsing headers. This is part of the protocol. OTOH,
TB! doesn't take advantage of this IMAP capability and doesn't fall
victim to the servers buggy header parsing.
Actually, TB! does take
Hello All,
some German users came out with the following bug, which I can confirm.
One can't show/hide certificate databases in address book.
Address book - View - [ ] Certificate databases doesn't have any
effects.
Confirmations, status reports?
--
Bye,
Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de
Hallo Kevin,
On Wed, 18 May 2005 02:04:18 -0400GMT (18-5-2005, 8:04 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
KC Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :(
What plug-in do you use? BayesFilter 2.0.2? What if you use an older
version? Over here I can't get BayesFilter 2.0.2 get stuck in
Hallo Thorvald,
On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:34:15 +0200GMT (18-5-2005, 8:34 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
TN v3.5 decided somehow to completely delete or forget the different
TN view modes I assigned to different folders. This is a PITA. :(
Confirmed
TN Furthermore, due to the underlining of
Hæ!
Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 09:51, Roelof Otten wrote:
Didn't notice any difference.
The new thread by subject adds a new subject line, displaying just
the subject and the number of replies.
After doubleclicking, the subject tree opens and you have to
manually select a message. Just
Hallo Thorvald,
On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:05:25 +0200GMT (18-5-2005, 10:05 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
Didn't notice any difference.
TN The new thread by subject adds a new subject line, displaying just
TN the subject and the number of replies.
Yep, I realize. Was a bit slow on the uptake
Hello Thomas!
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 8:38 PM, you wrote, in part:
My point is: The message list is not fixed in the current release.
MB Completely confirmed.
Thanks.
MB But Stefan has implied that these aspects are a work-in-progress,
Too bad. It means I cannot use v3.5 in the office.
Hi Stefan,
On 18/05/2005 09:44 AM +0300, you wrote:
Actually, TB! does take advantage of IMAP protocol on signed messages:
when TB! is downloading structure of a message, it checks whether a
message is signed and downloads signed messages entirely even when
message textual part only is required
Hi Martin,
On 18/05/2005 04:07 PM +0200, you wrote:
I looked at the *.tbk file and found that the message base path and
directory is stored with this file.
And the Restore function seems to restore all the messages in
*exactly* this directory - and not in the actual directory of the
current
Hello Allie,
Of course, I can never really claim it takes no advantage of the
protocol. This would be untrue.
I could not understand this part then:
===8==cut=here===
Tony's issue is just another example of how Mulberry depends on the
Hello Martin,
Exactly. Well, normally you will restore a installation into the
same directory like before - but there are situations which this
isn't true and then the hardcoded directory where your message
were stored is really not a good solution...
full confirmed, it is an already long
I am still unable to delete all icons in the main window of 3.5.
Whichever toolbar I try to delete LAST just won't go. is there another
approach to deleting them other than right click, de-select which
toolbar you want rid of, and hope?
Thanks.
--
Best regards,
Chris Wilson
Hello Stefan.
--On 18 May 2005 17:52 +0300 you wrote about Re[6]: Threading?:
I could not understand this part then:
What Allie means is, Mulberry follows the IMAP protocol right down to the
very last bit of every byte. The Bat skips most of it out and completely
ignores the parts it don't
[Reply to: Martin Schoch · 2005-05-18 · 16:41 h (CET)]
Hello, Martin!
Funny: The icon Delete disappears...
Yep, and IMO a useless feature. ... Or is it a bug? ;-)
--
Cheers!
VA
If you are in deep water,
you should not hang the head.
Hello Volker.
--On 18 May 2005 17:12 +0200 you wrote about Re: Delete icon disappears:
Yep, and IMO a useless feature. ... Or is it a bug? ;-)
But it only disappears when no message is selected. You can't delete what's
not there.
--
Tony.
M.
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Description: PGP signature
Hi Mary,
... doesn't leave much that is working at all, does it?
MB Different strokes for different folks. I do have to disagree with your
MB conclusion, while conceding the validity of your complaints.
Almost every component of the program that was fiddled with for v3.5
now shows malfunctions
Hi Stefan,
On 18/05/2005 05:52 PM +0300, you wrote:
I could not understand this part then:
===8==cut=here==
=
Tony's issue is just another example of how Mulberry depends on the
IMAP server for parsing headers. This is part of
Hello Martin.
--On 18 May 2005 17:33 +0200 you wrote about Re: Delete icon disappears:
Of course - but all other useless icons in a situation are grayed
out - why only this icon disappears?
Hang on I'll find out for you.
Stephan or K9, can you tell us why the dustbin keep disappearing
Hello Chris,
A reminder of what Chris Wilson typed on:
May 18, 2005 at 16:18:24 GMT +0100
CW I am still unable to delete all icons in the main window of 3.5.
CW Whichever toolbar I try to delete LAST just won't go. is there another
CW approach to deleting them other than right click,
Hello Alto!
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 6:56 AM, you wrote:
Different strokes for different folks.
Thanks for the eloquent message. Again, as with Martin Sebald, I
really do have to take all your words as a means of blowing off
steam. There's room for that here, but for myself, I disagree with
Hello Allie,
Mulberry doesn't parse headers locally for IMAP mailboxes. It just uses
the parsing the server does. TB! doesn't do that.
Not true - this is what I tried to say. The Bat! recognises signed messages
using IMAP features when it synchronises or downloads messages for preview
(when
Dear Stefan, Dear all,
-- Dienstag, 17. Mai 2005, 23:01:09:
So, the next Beta cycle is going to be primarily about:
- IMAP (many things will be rewritten)
- Unicode/DBCS support
- Submission Forms (as a key part of another project, but I see they
can be used as a part of many
Hello Tony,
What Allie means is, Mulberry follows the IMAP protocol right down to the
very last bit of every byte. The Bat skips most of it out and completely
ignores the parts it don't understand.
What I say - it is not right :-)
Which is why I had a problem with threading. My server has a
Hi Stefan,
On 18/05/2005 07:19 PM +0300, you wrote:
Not true - this is what I tried to say. The Bat! recognises signed
messages using IMAP features when it synchronises or downloads
messages for preview (when the option to download text only is set).
It also recognises presence of
Hi Martin,
I'm experiencing the same problem. I just tried about the same: I installed
TB Prof to a naked system, activated encryption with password and then
restored a backup made from my plain installation.
Restore worked but mail files are still stored plain. I also can say that
the mail
Hello Chris,
I am still unable to delete all icons in the main window of 3.5.
Whichever toolbar I try to delete LAST just won't go. is there another
approach to deleting them other than right click, de-select which
toolbar you want rid of, and hope?
Undock whichever is your 'last' toolbar
Hi Stefan,
On 18/05/2005 07:28 PM +0300, you wrote:
The Bat wasn't affected because it just ignored what it was being
told by the server.
No, see my message to Allie - TB! just asked more questions to IMAP
:-)
Right!
--
Allie Martin
System specs:
Hi Stefan,
On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:28:05 +0300 UTC (5/18/2005, 11:28 AM -0500 UTC my
time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote:
At least that's the way it was explained to me anyway.
S Well, to maintain political correctness, I would give no comment on this
S :-)
This cracks me up, following this
Hi Mary!
And I concur with your criticism of RitLabs development priorities, in
the main. But they are the ones with the business plan, and so they
implement it.
You're absolutly right and I also know that it is like you're saying.
Ritlabs is the boss here and we can stick with it (the beta
Hello Alto,
... with the delivery of the scandalous v3.5
...
... calling v3.5 a piece of junk.
Careful my dear, you may be offending the many (yes _MANY_) of us who
don't agree with you at all.
Da** it! If you hate TB so much, why don't you just change to another
e-mail client?
Don't bother
Hello Allie,
Cyrus Daboo is far better at this techochat than I am. I don't know
remotely as much. It would be interesting to see you both discuss this
sort of stuff. :)
Well, for some reason, I was disconnected from the IMAP mailing list. I've
been there for quite a while, but in silent
Hello Gary,
This cracks me up, following this thread... Stefan, you should go into
politics LOL
...and to leave such a great project with such a great community around?
Not in this life, I guess :-)
--
Best regards,
Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Martin,
... newsreader functionality.
Have you tried MyGate? Simple, transparent... it works a treat. Not for
binaries though. I've used for... 2 years?
http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000
Hi Stefan,
On 18/05/2005 07:43 PM +0300, you wrote:
Well, for some reason, I was disconnected from the IMAP mailing list.
I've been there for quite a while, but in silent mode, so there was a
chance to start a discussion with him there, I just didn't use it.
:-) Maybe, I'll be back there
Hello Martin!
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 11:40 AM, you wrote:
And I concur with your criticism of RitLabs development priorities, in
the main. But they are the ones with the business plan, and so they
implement it.
You're absolutly right and I also know that it is like you're saying.
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else,
on 18-Mai-2005 at 13:56 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote:
v3.5 a piece of junk
I thought I'd already read you were switching to Mulberry a couple of days
ago (Thats it), why don't you do that then? Looks like something about
this piece of junk keeps you using
MAU,
On 18-05-2005 19:02, you [M] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
M Have you tried MyGate? Simple, transparent... it works a treat. Not
M for binaries though. I've used for... 2 years?
Hmm. Does not work 100% always. I am currently having problems. Also, it
is not updated to use with the new
Hello Stefan!
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 11:47 AM, you wrote:
This cracks me up, following this thread... Stefan, you should go into
politics LOL
...and to leave such a great project with such a great community around?
Not in this life, I guess :-)
Yay! :girlcheer:
--
Best regards,
Mary
Hi MAU!
... newsreader functionality.
Have you tried MyGate? Simple, transparent... it works a treat. Not for
binaries though. I've used for... 2 years?
Yeah I know MyGate but I did not try it yet. I'm using Mailtraq for about
two years now and I'm satisfied. Nevertheless I would be more
Hello Peter,
M Have you tried MyGate? Simple, transparent... it works a treat. Not
M for binaries though. I've used for... 2 years?
Hmm. Does not work 100% always. I am currently having problems.
No problems here at all.
Also, it is not updated to use with the new sorting office.
I'm
Hello Martin,
I'm using Mailtraq for about two years now and I'm satisfied.
I did use MailTraq until I found MyGate.
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4
MAU,
On 18-05-2005 19:15, you [M] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Also, it is not updated to use with the new sorting office.
M I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.?
Subscription: Copy filter.
--
greeting Best regards /greeting
author Peter Fjelsten /author
Hello Peter,
M I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.?
Subscription: Copy filter.
Are we talking about the same 'MyGate'? I have the last version, 2.6,
and there is no such option. Are you perhaps talking about a plugin
version or something?
--
Best regards,
Hi Alexander,
On 18/05/2005 07:08 PM +0200, you wrote:
I thought I'd already read you were switching to Mulberry a couple of
days ago (Thats it), why don't you do that then? Looks like
something about this piece of junk keeps you using it.
LOL! There's absolutely no doubt that TB! is a
Hello MAU,
M I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.?
Subscription: Copy filter.
Are we talking about the same 'MyGate'? I have the last version, 2.6,
and there is no such option. Are you perhaps talking about a plugin
version or something?
Oops once
Hello Allie!
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 12:38 PM, you wrote:
... On the face of the anguished testimonials, logic often begs the
consideration of the seemingly simple solution of just moving on and
using another client, thus ending the misery.
Apparently, this isn't so easy, nor nearly as
Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 5:33:31 PM, you wrote:
Hello Chris,
I am still unable to delete all icons in the main window of 3.5.
Whichever toolbar I try to delete LAST just won't go. is there another
approach to deleting them other than right click, de-select which
toolbar you want rid of,
Hi Alex,
v3.5 a piece of junk
Please do quote me in full and not distortingly.
ASK I thought I'd already read you were switching to Mulberry a
ASK couple of days ago (Thats it), why don't you do that then?
I did, but it turned out that Mulberry isn't quite right for me
either. Sending and
Hi Mary,
MB Again, as with Martin Sebald, I really do have to take all your
MB words as a means of blowing off steam.
You're right about that. Much of it I wouldn't have said if the whole
affair hadn't come that far. Technically there isn't a word I would
have to take back, but possibly not
Hello Alto,
On 18 May 2005, 12:56 you wrote:
I don't expect an answer from RIT to emails in which I accuse them of
amateurism and incompetency in their development procedures, even if
in my opinion one would be warranted nevertheless.
Your constant gibes, which are unwarranted and offensive
On Wed, 18 May 2005, at 19:56:35 [GMT +0200] (which was 19:56 where I
live) Martin Schoch wrote:
Hi Martin
...snip
And after all it worked. I restored from backup - of course the
new directory has it's old name because the messages from the
backup goes to the stored directory name...
With
Hello Chris,
That worked, many thanks. Do you think that you should be able to delete
the last toolbar in the menu though? I can't see why it would be
DESIGNED to not delete the last one conventionally.
It's probably a bug, but I would consider it a very minor one. I mean,
how many times per
Hallo MAU,
On Wed, 18 May 2005 20:28:52 +0200GMT (18-5-2005, 20:28 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
M It's probably a bug, but I would consider it a very minor one. I mean,
M how many times per hour on the average are you re-arranging your
M toolbars?
When I look back for the last week, at
Hello Martin,
On 18 May 2005, 19:57 you wrote:
As Miguel says, if you don't like it don't use it. The choice is
yours... but please spare us your diatribe.
This one is to easy - it sound like shut up.
That is not what I said. I was referring to the use of harsh language.
--
As ever,
Hello Manuel,
Manuel Breitfeld wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]):
One can't show/hide certificate databases in address book.
Address book - View - [ ] Certificate databases doesn't have any
effects.
Confirmed.
--
Regards,
Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de
Hello Stefan.
--On 18 May 2005 19:28 +0300 you wrote about Re[8]: Threading?:
Hmm. Good motto for IMAP client developers - if anything goes wrong, blame
the server! Just a joke,
Not such a joke, I said exactly the same thing to Allie and Gary, in fact
my exact words were and I quote directly
miércoles, 18 may 2005 at 16:03, it seems you wrote:
I tried a fresh OTFE install from MSI prof on a Win98 system and it
ended in a Plain installation.
The window which asks the question about OTFE was also very strange
- see attached picture.
it seems it's a problem in the default language
Hello Peter,
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 6:36:41 AM, you wrote:
P If you add an address to the address book (RMB/Specials/Add) and click on
P Other/Add this address to the instant address pop up ..., you must
restart
P TB to make this entry appear in the that list. Not good...
By my
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 20:28, MAU wrote:
That worked, many thanks. Do you think that you should be able to
delete the last toolbar in the menu though? I can't see why it would
be DESIGNED to not delete the last one conventionally.
It's probably a bug, but I would consider it a very
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 18:01, Mary Bull wrote:
In fact, if I didn't have the yellowish icons solution to my vision
problems that I got from MAU
Naughty guy, that MAU, giving you a vision problem and all...;-)
--
Regards,
Marcus Ohlström
Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build
On Wed, 18 May 2005 06:49:13 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:
On the other hand there is Mulburry, incorrectly cutting off
Message-ID's in the References headerline.
Wrong! Mulberry is not at fault in any way shape or form. I was
of the same opinion as you, I was defending TB! with my life.
However
Hi Martin!
I'm experiencing the same problem. I just tried about the same: I
installed TB Prof to a naked system, activated encryption with password
and then restored a backup made from my plain installation.
I tried with a hacking method ;-)
[...]
Great. Thanks, it also worked for me. ;-)
Hello Marcus!
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 5:02 PM, you wrote:
In fact, if I didn't have the yellowish icons solution to my vision
problems that I got from MAU
Naughty guy, that MAU, giving you a vision problem and all...;-)
Come on, Marcus, you're better at English grammar than that! ;)
I
Hello Mary,
On 19 May 2005, 00:13 you wrote:
If I hadn't got the yellowish icons from MAU, which solved the
problems that the default transparent blue ghosts were giving my old
eyes, I'd have quietly dropped back to v. 3.0.2.10 and published no
diatribes to TBBETA about it! :soapbox:
Hello Martin!
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 6:28 PM, you wrote:
I'd have quietly dropped back to v. 3.0.2.10 and published no
diatribes to TBBETA about it! :soapbox:
Diatribbles more likely! ;-)
hehehe * - Tribble .. - Diatribble ä - Tribble under Diaresis
Martin Webster, you have
Hello Roelof,
M It's probably a bug, but I would consider it a very minor one. I mean,
M how many times per hour on the average are you re-arranging your
M toolbars?
When I look back for the last week, at least four or five times a day.
I mean during normal life, not while beta testing :)
Hello Marcus,
I would definitely consider it a bug and not a minor one to (not to say
it's a major one, but there have to be something in between). Even if
you don't rearrange them every day, the average user not reading TBBETA
should be able to get rid of them too.
And they are able, they
On Wed, 18 May 2005 20:04:38 +0200, Alto Speckhardt wrote:
[Mulberry]
I couldn't make the viewer display quotes when it wasn't
Text but Initials Text. Things like that.
This Initials Quote Prefixing is a TB! specific idiosyncrasy,
dating back to long forgotten FIDO days. IMO Ritlabs should
Hello Roelof Kevin,
Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 2:23:02 AM, you wrote:
KC Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :(
RO What plug-in do you use? BayesFilter 2.0.2? What if you use an older
RO version? Over here I can't get BayesFilter 2.0.2 get stuck in my
RO preferences, but when
Hello Mary,
On Wed, 18 May 2005 07:54:46 -0500 GMT (18/05/2005, 19:54 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:
Too bad. It means I cannot use v3.5 in the office. This version is a
nice toy for my home, but not what I need in a heavy production
environment. And I thought TB is *the* tool for the heavy
Hello Martin,
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:49:08 +0200 GMT (17/05/2005, 19:49 +0700 GMT),
Martin Schoch wrote:
MS I did a backup of everything of TheBat.
I understand from later in this thread that you used TB's internal
backup function.
MS It was installed in c:\programme\The Bat! . After that I
MS
Hi Roelof,
On Wed, 18 May 2005 09:23:02 +0200 (3:23 AM here), Roelof Otten [RO]
wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
KC Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :(
RO What plug-in do you use? BayesFilter 2.0.2?
Yes
RO What if you use an older version?
Haven't tried it. Seems like
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