Hello Roelof,
Thursday, October 28, 2004, 9:27:03 PM, you wrote:
Hallo MaXxX,
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:55:34 +0200GMT (28-10-2004, 19:55 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:
M I'm asking for a way to make betatesting easier, as it was for the
M short time between introducing the /REG parameter
Hello Nick
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 8:02:50 PM, Tony wrote:
Can't say I agree with anything you wrote, this is about the best, fastest
and so far, most efficient and capable version I've used for years.
Perhaps, but there are an awful lot of users such as myself who are unable
to
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Graham I've just tried the 3.0.2.2 and experienced the failure to close.
I've run through the open/close cycle a few times now and have
experienced the failure to close problem only once so far, so what
ever it is it's transient, to a point at least.
Hello MaXxX,
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 4:24:31 PM MaXxX [M] wrote:
[...]
M but the MSI installer installs where it does usually, without the
M option to install as a separate setup.
*hmmm* I actually wasn't able to find a MSI-installer for 3.0.2.2 ...
Where did you get it from?
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Hello Nick,
A reminder of what Nick Andriash typed on:
29 October 2004 at 05:04:21 GMT +0200
NA Perhaps, but there are an awful lot of users such as myself who are unable
NA to even close The Bat, so I would have to say that for us it's not the best.
I fully understand and sympathize with
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 05:10 AM, Stuart Hemming
wrote:
Graham I've just tried the 3.0.2.2 and experienced the failure to close.
I've run through the open/close cycle a few times now and have
experienced the failure to close problem only once so far, so what
ever it is it's transient,
Hello Allie Martin everyone else
29-Okt-2004 14:40, you wrote:
For one, I don't compress folders on exit. That could be something to
look at. Are those having the problem compressing folders on exit?
I disabled the compress/remove on exit for all folders that used it, it
makes no difference
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 07:40 AM, Allie Martin
wrote:
I can't really think of what else one could do upon exiting. The CC
could be stuck doing something else. I keep my CC hidden at all times
and work only with my IMAP accounts. No POP retrieval, though I have
two POP accounts. One
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 12:33:00 PM, Peter Palmreuther spewed
forth what is to be beheld below:
*hmmm* I actually wasn't able to find a MSI-installer for 3.0.2.2 ...
Where did you get it from?
I did not. The release versions have MSI installers, but given that
Ritlabs' policies make
Hello Roelof,
M No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working environment
M as I never leave messages on server.
I know you're using Mercury as mail server and I'm not familiar with
it, but my mail server enables me to send copies to an archive (I can
set the archive to
Hello Arjan,
Set the test client to leave messages on the server.
No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working
environment as I never leave messages on server.
Then set the release version to leave messages on the server.
That would serve no purpose and, anyway, that is not
Hello Allie,
Don't worry about him. :)
Thanks Allie :)
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Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4
Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
Hello MikeD,
snipped a bit
It is more work, I have not lost any data doing things this way.
Doing it the way I do, I have not lost any data with any Beta version,
at least yet :)
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Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service
Hello Arjan,
You could do that:
1) by running The Beta! version simultaneously on another
machine (just like I did until I got fed up with it).
2) by running The Beta! version simultaneously on the same
machine, but as an independent program.
This should not be very hard to understand.
Hello Tim,
A reminder of what Tim Casten typed on:
28 October 2004 at 04:16:50 GMT +0200
TC This is the worst I have seen. I have spent the past 5 hours
TC restoring going back in builds etc etc.
Looks like you need Januks batch file, it's taken me less than 2 minutes to
transfer
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 4:32:44 AM, Thomas Martin threw back
his cloak, climbed the podium, loudly cleared his throat and spoke:
This is the worst I have seen. I have spent the past 5 hours
restoring going back in builds etc etc.
just a few words. That is the risk of Betas.
On Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 9:16:27 PM [GMT -0500], Tim Casten
wrote:
I completely unistalled the Bat went back to 3.0 did a restore, then
upgraded to this build and had the strangest occurance I have ever
seen. A completely blank screen, nothing there except the Bat was
Hello Tim,
A reminder of what Tim Casten typed on:
28 October 2004 at 04:16:50 GMT +0200
TC This is the worst I have seen.
ETC. ETC...
Can't say I agree with anything you wrote, this is about the best, fastest
and so far, most efficient and capable version I've used for years.
I left
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 2:56:54 AM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom
wrote:
I'm going to join Mary in a little experiment. I'm going to transfer
my complete Bat install from this Centrino Laptop over to my P4
Desktop PC and see if I get it hanging on there. Both are running XP
Home with SP2.
I
Hello Allie,
I've never done a complete uninstall of TB! since using it in 1999. I've
usually just switched executables. If I have a problem with the new one,
I replace it with the one I was using before. The beta download consists
of just the program executable. I rename the one I was using
Hello Allie,
In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject Re: 3022 is
awfull Allie Marting wrote:
But then again, the problems are reversed with PowerPro. I have macros
that work well on my machine at home and at work, the very same macros
are very problematic. Same OS and same PowerPro versions
Hello MaXxX,
Thursday, October 28, 2004, 04:39:08, you wrote:
M That is the risk of Betas that insist on acting like Releases.
Sorry, MaXxX, but I fail to see the reason of a Beta that does not
function like the release product.
M Let me say it once more, for good measure, so that anybody
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 4:21:20 PM, Hggdh jumped on the
stage, took a mike and sang:
Please allow me to offer my version (it is, of course, still beta):
##
BETA VERSIONS *ARE* DANGEROUS. THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES,
Hello MaXxX,
Sure, sure. As long as I can _ALSO_ be using a real version. The Bat
is largely inconsistent in this manner - the executables can be run
with specific /REG parameters, but the MSI installer installs where it
does usually, without the option to install as a separate setup.
See my
Hello hggdh,
USE AT YOUR OWNRISK
##
This is part of the game. The function of a Beta is to be used, AS IF
IT WERE THE REAL THING, by a sample population.
Agree 100%!!! Nobody is forced to use a Beta
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 3:54:10 PM, MAU sculpted a piece of
raw silicon into the thoughts below:
Same here except for a slight difference. I usually keep several
versions of TB executable in the same installation directory (sharing it
as well as message base, etc.) with slightly
Hello Allie,
A reminder of what Allie Martin typed on:
28 October 2004 at 13:14:10 GMT +0200
AM I agree with that experiment.
Well so far everything is fine, but it's only been running an hour or so.
I've opened and closed it quite a few times, before and after sending and
receiving with
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 09:15 AM, MAU wrote:
If you use keyboard stroke macros the problems may come from
different processor speeds. Last August I upgraded to a much faster
PC and found that some of my macros would not always (or never)
work. I traced this to the fact that they
Hello MaXxX,
snipped quite a bit
Well, you may be happy with completely separate testing and
working time slices. I am not. I need to have a reliable e-mail
client running 24/7. I'm not willing to shut it down just to test a
new version that could well blow my message base to pieces and force
-Original Message-
From: Tim Casten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Oct 27, 2004 7:16 PM
To: tbbeta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 3022 is awfull
Hello tbbeta,
This is the worst I have seen. I have spent the past 5 hours
restoring going back in builds etc etc.
I completely unistalled the Bat
Hello Tony!
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 6:30 AM, you wrote:
AM I agree with that experiment.
TB Well so far everything is fine, but it's only been running an hour
TB or so. I've opened and closed it quite a few times, before and
TB after sending and receiving with no trouble.
Since I began
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 5:38:53 PM, the world was changed
forever by what MAU wrote:
me to restore from a backup. And backups don't solve ALL problems!
What if I receive a very important message when running a badly broken
beta? I don't have a backup of THAT message, right? And
Hello MaXxX everyone else
28-Okt-2004 19:33, you wrote:
Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :)
Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
it.
But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
aye?
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Best regards,
Alexander
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:37:51 PM, the world was changed
forever by what Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
it.
But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
aye?
Hey, please. Are we talking
Hello Allie,
The slower machine seems to be executing too quickly,
Have you tried tweaking the the typing speed? In case you don't know,
which I doubt, look in Configuration/Setup/Advanced Setup/Limits for
Delay in milliseconds for first and subsequent sent keys from *Keys
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Best regards,
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Alexander S.
Kunz wrote:
But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test
program, aye?
Why not stop this? MaXXX wants to beta test. He just wishes to beta
test without having to use his working installation as the beta test
bed.
He's
Hello MaXxX,
on 28.10.2004 at 19:38 you wrote:
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:37:51 PM, the world was changed
forever by what Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
it.
But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:45:48 PM, Manuel Breitfeld wrote
the following words:
Anyone heard of something called Dead Horse...? ;)
A very nice thing to pronounce on a thread that has been getting
derailed only lately.
I'm asking for a way to make betatesting easier, as it was for the
Hello MaXxX!
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:55 PM, you wrote:
M I don't like this scenario one bit.
MaXxX, I don't like it either, as your contributions are very, very
valuable.
With Allie, I say that you make perfect sense.
All that needs dead-horsing is the series of attacks suggesting
Hello Allie Martin everyone else
28-Okt-2004 19:40, you wrote:
He's looking for and asking for an easy way to run another installation
in parallel to the one he relies on for day to day work.
It depends on the definition of beta, and how to use it (as it was
already stated here). I remember
Hello Alexander!
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 8:08:53 PM you wrote:
It depends on the definition of beta, and how to use it (as it was
already stated here).
Couldn't we just agree on everybody using beta as he likes?
Corollary: ... at his own risk.
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Dierk Haasis
:Dierk: Copy 'n'
Hello Allie,
Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:40:49, you wrote:
AM On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Alexander S.
AM Kunz wrote:
But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test
program, aye?
AM Why not stop this? MaXXX wants to beta test. He just wishes to beta
AM
Hello George,
Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:45:28, you wrote:
GMM Thursday, October 28, 2004, 8:42:35 PM, George M. Menegakis wrote:
beta test must take the decision and the implicit risk.
GMM s/test/tester
ahhh, an UNIX user... Good. I was thinking I was alone here :-)
s/test/tester/
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Hello Mary,
A reminder of what Mary Bull typed on:
28 October 2004 at 18:38:35 GMT +0200
MB Tony, do you think this behavior could be ISP related? I had a lot of
MB trouble with my ISP on Tuesday.
Don't really know Mary, I collect mail from two providers, NTL who I get
Broad Band access
Hello Mary,
I meant to comment on this point before but went to get a cuppa and
forgot.
A reminder of what Mary Bull typed on:
28 October 2004 at 18:38:35 GMT +0200
MB Do, but from all the information we've gathered so far, I'm beginning
MB to suspect some effect of ISP's on the
Hello Allie,
Hmmm. You're into PowerPro, aren't you? ;)
Not really. When I get a new program I usually try to see what it can do
and what options it has but PowerPro has so many! I learnt enough to
write a few keyboard macros and add some buttons and menus to TB and
then forgot all about
Hello MaXxX,
Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :)
Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
it.
Maxxx, I understand what you want. But I think that if you want to beta
test you _have_ to take some risk and use the software in a real working
Hallo MaXxX,
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:55:34 +0200GMT (28-10-2004, 19:55 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:
M I'm asking for a way to make betatesting easier, as it was for the
M short time between introducing the /REG parameter and turning to MSI
M installations.
Well, you could always configure
Hallo Tim,
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:16:27 -0400GMT (28-10-2004, 4:16 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
TC This is the worst I have seen.
Can't confirm. I absolutely love it. Starts fast, exits as a breeze. I
don't use any VF's though and I read that they're not functioning
optimally.
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On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 04:19 PM, MAU wrote:
Maxxx, I understand what you want. But I think that if you want to
beta test you _have_ to take some risk and use the software in a
real working environment. I know _I_ am taking a risk by doing what
I describe in my reply to Allie
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 03:53 PM, MAU wrote:
Not really. When I get a new program I usually try to see what it
can do and what options it has but PowerPro has so many! I
learnt enough to write a few keyboard macros and add some buttons
and menus to TB and then forgot all about
Hello Alexander,
A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz typed on:
28 October 2004 at 19:36:55 GMT +0200
ASK But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
ASK aye?
With all due respect, it doesn't solve the problem. Beta testing involves
finding problems and
Hello Allie,
Set the test client to leave messages on the server.
No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working environment
as I never leave messages on server.
Anyway, don't worry about me. There have been times in the past, and may
be in the future, that I do not engage in beta
Hallo MAU,
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:16:49 +0200GMT (29-10-2004, 1:16 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
Set the test client to leave messages on the server.
M No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working environment
M as I never leave messages on server.
I know you're using Mercury
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:19:32 +0200, MAU wrote:
I know _I_ am taking a risk by doing what I describe in my
reply to Allie mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
but how else can I test TB with all the accounts, filters,
templates, QTs, etc., that I normally use for my work?
You could do that:
1) by running The
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:16:49 +0200, MAU wrote:
Set the test client to leave messages on the server.
No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working
environment as I never leave messages on server.
Then set the release version to leave messages on the server.
Arjan
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On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 8:02:50 PM, Tony wrote:
Can't say I agree with anything you wrote, this is about the best, fastest
and so far, most efficient and capable version I've used for years.
Perhaps, but there are an awful lot of users such as myself who are unable
to even close The
At 19:37 [GMT+0200] on Thursday October 28 (actual time - 1:37am on Friday in
Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:
[snips]
Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :)
Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
it.
Alexander But it does - no one forces you to
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 7:59:07 PM [GMT -0500], Arjan De
Groot wrote:
Then set the release version to leave messages on the server.
Don't worry about him. :)
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-= Allie =-
. If it walks out of your refrigerator, LET IT GO !!
__
On Thu 28-Oct-04 10:04pm -0400, Nick Andriash wrote:
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 8:02:50 PM, Tony wrote:
Can't say I agree with anything you wrote, this is
about the best, fastest and so far, most efficient
and capable version I've used for years.
Perhaps, but there are an awful lot
Hello Tim,
on Wednesday, 27. October 2004, at 22:16:27 [GMT -0400] you wrote
regarding 3022 is awfull:
This is the worst I have seen. I have spent the past 5 hours
restoring going back in builds etc etc.
just a few words. That is the risk of Betas.
Just make a 'complete' backup of the
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:16:27 -0400, Tim Casten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello tbbeta,
This is the worst I have seen. I have spent the past 5 hours
restoring going back in builds etc etc.
Have you filed appropriate bug reports?
--
Kevin
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