Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options
Thomas, > Hello Gleason, > On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:18:41 -0400 GMT (28-Sep-19, 04:18 +0700 GMT), > Gleason wrote: >> Gleason, >>> Martin, Hi The On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote: > Hello everybody, > on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46 Martin > wrote > re Icons for language options > >> On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote: >>> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I >>> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. >> Why not use the letters of ISO 639? > I vote for that. > > DE for German. EN for English. > > But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? > > RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic? ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic. >>> Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that? If so, then how about >>> from Morocco? TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and >>> different from other Arabic places. A person who uses the Turkish >>> variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used >>> in Turkey. >> Besides which, I suspect Turks don't think of themselves as Arabs in >> quite the same way that Egyptians and Lybians do. > They are not Arabs, they are Turks. And they changed from arabic > letters to Latin letters almost 100 years ago. No doubt they feel that way, sandwiched between Iran, the Middle East, Georgia on one side and Greece and Bulgaria on the other. Turkey is a complex place. The fact that they did at one time use the Arabic alphabet does say that they do share a good piece of that heritage. Wikkipedia says that minority languages in Turkey include the widespread Kurmanji, the moderately prevalent Arabic and Zazaki and a number of less common minority languages, some of which are guaranteed by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne. So, yes, Arabic is spoken in Turkey even now, and that would mean the Arabic alphabet is used as well, but the only official language is Turkish, which itself has two variants in Turkey. > -- > Cheers, > Thomas. > Message reply created with The Bat! Version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) (64-bit) > under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 > > 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Icons for language options
Thomas, > Hello Gleason, > On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:34:10 -0400 GMT (27-Sep-19, 21:34 +0700 GMT), > Gleason wrote: >> Martin, >>> Hi >>> Please do not use flags for icons for language options. Country flags >>> don't reflect languages: German is spoken in Germany, Switzerland, >>> Austria and more. French is spoken in France, Switzerland, Canada and >>> much more. >>> So icon for language options shouldn't be a flag. There are better >>> icons for that. >>> Example: https://i.imgur.com/4dsdKej.png >> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I >> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. >> Maybe the best way is to spell out the word in the font and language >> it represents. That way you aren't requiring a foreign language user >> to at least be able to recognize the word for their language in English. >> Some groups, like French Canadians for instance, really really don't want to >> use >> English for anything, even if they can. >> Of course there are many variants, like French in Thailand, Spanish in >> the Philippines. The Philippines is tougher though because their Spanish >> laps over into indigenous languages like Tagalog. Maybe Thailand >> is similar. > Not really, because nobody in Thailand (except people who come from a > French-speaking country such as France, or who learned it at school as > a foreign language) speaks French. More people here can speak German > than French, in my personal experience. And of course English and > Chinese, the two most important foreign languages. > The symbol for Thai language is quite easy and commonly used: ก But not present in the Latin alphabet. It might be true that Thailand is not a good example of the difficulty of referring to languages around the world with one or two Latin characters though. > That's the first letter of the Thai alphabet. > The Philipines is in a different situation: It was a Spanish colony > for a couple oif centuries, and the colonists left their language and > their religion. Thailand never was a colony, so there is only one > language here. There was, at one time a French Indo-China which was composed of certain parts of Thailand that were ceded to France by King Chulalongkorn. So says Wikkipedia. That all got rearranged during WWII when France lost much control over its colonies when Germany invaded. That doesn't necessarily mean that a lot of people there speak French. > -- > Cheers, > Thomas. > Message reply created with The Bat! Version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) (64-bit) > under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 > > 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Icons for language options
Hello Gleason, On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:34:10 -0400 GMT (27-Sep-19, 21:34 +0700 GMT), Gleason wrote: > Martin, >> Hi >> Please do not use flags for icons for language options. Country flags >> don't reflect languages: German is spoken in Germany, Switzerland, >> Austria and more. French is spoken in France, Switzerland, Canada and >> much more. >> So icon for language options shouldn't be a flag. There are better >> icons for that. >> Example: https://i.imgur.com/4dsdKej.png > Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I > suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. > Maybe the best way is to spell out the word in the font and language > it represents. That way you aren't requiring a foreign language user > to at least be able to recognize the word for their language in English. > Some groups, like French Canadians for instance, really really don't want to > use > English for anything, even if they can. > Of course there are many variants, like French in Thailand, Spanish in > the Philippines. The Philippines is tougher though because their Spanish > laps over into indigenous languages like Tagalog. Maybe Thailand > is similar. Not really, because nobody in Thailand (except people who come from a French-speaking country such as France, or who learned it at school as a foreign language) speaks French. More people here can speak German than French, in my personal experience. And of course English and Chinese, the two most important foreign languages. The symbol for Thai language is quite easy and commonly used: ก That's the first letter of the Thai alphabet. The Philipines is in a different situation: It was a Spanish colony for a couple oif centuries, and the colonists left their language and their religion. Thailand never was a colony, so there is only one language here. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options
Hello Gleason, On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:18:41 -0400 GMT (28-Sep-19, 04:18 +0700 GMT), Gleason wrote: > Gleason, >> Martin, >>> Hi The >>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote: Hello everybody, on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46 Martin wrote re Icons for language options > On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote: >> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I >> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. > Why not use the letters of ISO 639? I vote for that. DE for German. EN for English. But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic? >>> ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic. >> Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that? If so, then how about >> from Morocco? TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and >> different from other Arabic places. A person who uses the Turkish >> variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used >> in Turkey. > Besides which, I suspect Turks don't think of themselves as Arabs in > quite the same way that Egyptians and Lybians do. They are not Arabs, they are Turks. And they changed from arabic letters to Latin letters almost 100 years ago. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options
Gleason, > Martin, >> Hi The >> On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote: >>> Hello everybody, >>> on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46 Martin wrote >>> re Icons for language options >>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote: > Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I > suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. Why not use the letters of ISO 639? >>> I vote for that. >>> >>> DE for German. EN for English. >>> >>> But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? >>> >>> RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic? >> ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic. > Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that? If so, then how about > from Morocco? TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and > different from other Arabic places. A person who uses the Turkish > variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used > in Turkey. Besides which, I suspect Turks don't think of themselves as Arabs in quite the same way that Egyptians and Lybians do. >> For Russian it's "ru" resp. "rus" > Again, Latin ru/rus is not like the Cyrillic. -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options
Martin, > Hi The > On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote: >> Hello everybody, >> on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46 Martin wrote >> re Icons for language options >> >>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote: Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. >>> Why not use the letters of ISO 639? >> I vote for that. >> >> DE for German. EN for English. >> >> But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? >> >> RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic? > ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic. Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that? If so, then how about from Morocco? TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and different from other Arabic places. A person who uses the Turkish variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used in Turkey. > For Russian it's "ru" resp. "rus" Again, Latin ru/rus is not like the Cyrillic. -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options
Hi The On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote: > Hello everybody, > on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46 Martin wrote > re Icons for language options > >> On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote: >>> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I >>> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. >> Why not use the letters of ISO 639? > I vote for that. > > DE for German. EN for English. > > But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? > > RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic? ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic. For Russian it's "ru" resp. "rus" -- Best regards, Martin mar...@postzone.org TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) Pro (32bit, with OTFE) on Windows 7 6.1 7601 Service Pack 1 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Icons for language options
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46 Martin wrote re Icons for language options > On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote: >> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I >> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. > Why not use the letters of ISO 639? I vote for that. DE for German. EN for English. But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) Windows 7 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Hi The On Friday, September 27, 2019 7:10:06 PM you wrote: > I tried to get the file to run on Windows 7/64bit, no chance. :( Did you rename tbuser.def and tbuser.eff? -- Best regards, Martin mar...@postzone.org TheBat! 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) Pro (32bit, with OTFE) on Windows 10.0 18362 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Hi Maxim, I tried to get the file to run on Windows 7/64bit, no chance. :( I tried the command line /reg:NAME. Neither the 32bit nor the 64bit version starts. At the Process Explorer the .exe will be visible for a moment, but then it terminates immediately. -- Best wishes Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://thebat.bplaced.net 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Icons for language options
Hi The On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM you wrote: > Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I > suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. Why not use the letters of ISO 639? -- Best regards, Martin mar...@postzone.org TheBat! 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) Pro (32bit, with OTFE) on Windows 10.0 18362 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Icons for language options
Martin, > Hi > Please do not use flags for icons for language options. Country flags > don't reflect languages: German is spoken in Germany, Switzerland, > Austria and more. French is spoken in France, Switzerland, Canada and > much more. > So icon for language options shouldn't be a flag. There are better > icons for that. > Example: https://i.imgur.com/4dsdKej.png Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. Maybe the best way is to spell out the word in the font and language it represents. That way you aren't requiring a foreign language user to at least be able to recognize the word for their language in English. Some groups, like French Canadians for instance, really really don't want to use English for anything, even if they can. Of course there are many variants, like French in Thailand, Spanish in the Philippines. The Philippines is tougher though because their Spanish laps over into indigenous languages like Tagalog. Maybe Thailand is similar. -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Icons for language options
Hi Please do not use flags for icons for language options. Country flags don't reflect languages: German is spoken in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and more. French is spoken in France, Switzerland, Canada and much more. So icon for language options shouldn't be a flag. There are better icons for that. Example: https://i.imgur.com/4dsdKej.png -- Best regards, Martin mailto:mar...@postzone.org TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) Pro (32bit, with OTFE) on Windows 7 6.1 7601 Service Pack 1 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Hi list On Friday, September 27, 2019 3:06:50 PM you wrote: > And yes, I renamed tbuser.def I renamed tbuser.eff as well - seems to work now and I can write a message. I try to send it now. -- Best regards, Martin mar...@postzone.org TheBat! 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) Pro (32bit, with OTFE) on Windows 10.0 18362 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
September 27, 2019 Hello Maxim, Thursday, September 26, 2019, 3:12:26 PM, you wrote: > The Bat! 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9001-64.rar I spent some time the alpha program this morning. I was able to respond to messages, create messages and make some changes in the layout. The program appears to struggle at points between screens, in some cases all I see is a black screen. Settings were not head between restarts of the program. I see lots of potential, looking forward to the first full beta. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc. Enabling your organization to anticipate the future with confidence! 1-200 North Service Road W. - Suite 311 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6M 2Y1 Phone 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 | e-mail supportd...@thedesk.ca Website https://thedesk.ca/main 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Hi
I installed new version on Windows 10 1910 32bit.
On startup I get error
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The Bat!
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List index out of bounds (13)
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I am not able to write a message, I am getting:
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The Bat!
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Access violation at address 01A1313B in module 'thebat32.exe'. Read of
address 0024.
After clicking to "OK" I am getting
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The Bat!
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Abstract Error.
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And yes, I renamed tbuser.def
For the moment not really usable on my laptop. This email written with
webmail.
Regards,
Martin
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Am 26.09.2019 21:12, schrieb Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA:
Hello, TBBETA!
There is a newly-named category in the https://bt.ritlabs.com/ - "New
Release Specific". Please add bugs introduced by this alpa (that did
not exist in version 8.8.9.12) into this category.
[!] This alpha version does not yet read old layout configuration
(tbuser.def)
[!] This alpha version requires a key for The Bat! version 9 in order
to run. It will not run with version 8 key unless in the "evaluation"
mode, if any.
[!] This alpha has larger .exe file, but it will be smaller in the
release
[!] This alpha demonstrates the new UI (Ribbons by default, but you
can change to classic ("menu") instead in the Options -> Preferences
-> Other options. When using the "Classic Menu" UI mode, you can
disable skins by uncheking the "Use Skins" checkbox. When the skins
are used (default), a skin can be changed in the "Options".
[!] This alpha has lots of UI images missing
[-] Fixed errors when The Bat! process could hang on exit and stay in
the task manager while exiting The Bat! when active coneections to RSS
feeds were in progress
[-] (#0001780) 64-bit version of The Bat! silently closes upon trying
to send a PGP-signed message
[*] Removed PGP internal implementation (RFC-1991) from The Bat!
[-] (#427) Tab order is wrong in Create Mail Filter dialog box
The Bat! 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) is available at
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9001-32.rar
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9001-64.rar
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Best regards,
Maxim Masiutin
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Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
September 27, 2019 Hello Maxim, Thursday, September 26, 2019, 3:12:26 PM, you wrote: > The Bat! 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9001-64.rar I followed the advice from others this morning and renamed tbuse fole. Now I can respond to messages. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc. Enabling your organization to anticipate the future with confidence! 1-200 North Service Road W. - Suite 311 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6M 2Y1 Phone 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 | e-mail supportd...@thedesk.ca Website https://thedesk.ca/main 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Hello The, A reminder of what The Bat Beta typed on: September 27, 2019 at 06:40:54 GMT -0500 SC> When selecting the Show tabs button the ribbon disappears. I then have the menu SC> tabs on top and the Send, Receive, New Mail etc. on the right hand side. If I SC> drag it to the left to be full width it moves, but I cannot then move the search SC> bar to the same line, so I end up with two icon bars at the top instead of one, SC> thus wasting valuable real estate. Sorry, but I no sooner sent this when I managed to do what I wanted. It now looks very similar to the old versions. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! Version 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) (64-bit) On Windows 10.0 Build #18945 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Hello The, A reminder of what The Bat Beta typed on: September 26, 2019 at 22:12:26 GMT +0300 MMvT> There is a newly-named category in the https://bt.ritlabs.com/ - "New MMvT> Release Specific". Please add bugs introduced by this alpa (that did not MMvT> exist in version 8.8.9.12) into this category. When selecting the Show tabs button the ribbon disappears. I then have the menu tabs on top and the Send, Receive, New Mail etc. on the right hand side. If I drag it to the left to be full width it moves, but I cannot then move the search bar to the same line, so I end up with two icon bars at the top instead of one, thus wasting valuable real estate. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! Version 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) (64-bit) On Windows 10.0 Build #18945 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) Hello The, A reminder of what The Bat Beta typed on: September 27, 2019 at 12:50:01 GMT +0300 Who has AV with sending new email - please rename 'tbuser.def' to any other name and restart the application. Also if it possible to send us 'tbuser.def' to (contact email is : andrei.sliusarenco at ritlabs.com). It will help us for find the root cause. I have renamed my tbuser.def and I have reopened TB. It seems to let me send now. I have uploaded my tbuser.def to bug tracker Id 1814. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! Version 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) (64-bit) On Windows 10.0 Build #18945 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Who has AV with sending new email - please rename 'tbuser.def' to any other name and restart the application. Also if it possible to send us 'tbuser.def' to (contact email is : andrei.sliusarenco at ritlabs.com). It will help us for find the root cause. 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Hello, ZW> 2. Access violation - this error message was displays repeatedly until killing ZW> manually thebat32.exe process. This was happened only once. Did this error message appear when you tried to create a new message? If yes, please send us the file tbuser.def located in the root of the mail data folder. -- Alexander Petrari Ritlabs, SRL 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Looks like I'll skip this version for now, waiting for one where I can actually send e-mails so I can properly test GnuPG. :-) 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
