Manually added encoding lost [ROT13] (was: A little roadmap)
Hello 9Val, On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:28:49 +0700 GMT (28/06/2005, 21:28 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: [Not being able to assign hotkeys to encodings any more] 9 It is limitation of new UI, we have not yet found workaround. TF Thanks for your reply, it's very honest. I'll be looking forward to TF any better news, though. TF Trouble is (.31) that I cannot even choose ROT13 from the View menu TF any more! At least this worked in .30. This is starting to be a TF problem. It's getting worse. Now I cannot even choose ROT13 manually any more, TB seems to have forgotten (overwritten) it. Did I say this before? I used to have a keyboard shortcut for encodings when viewing messages, and I want it back. That's not possible any more, and worse, I cannot change to a non-standard encoding manually. I'm sure I'm repeating myself... -- Cheers, Thomas. Die Basis ist die Grundlage aller Fundamente. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Thomas, On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:41:42 +0700 GMT (27/06/2005, 23:41 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF I still cannot assign a short-cut to message encodings. 9 ... TF Also, I cannot assign a short-cut to the interface language. 9 It is limitation of new UI, we have not yet found workaround. TF Thanks for your reply, it's very honest. I'll be looking forward to TF any better news, though. Trouble is (.31) that I cannot even choose ROT13 from the View menu any more! At least this worked in .30. This is starting to be a problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Ein Computerfreak wird die Zeit, die der Computer automatisch arbeitet, dazu benutzen, ihm dabei unbewegt zuzusehen, um zu beobachten, ob er richtig laeuft. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.0.31 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi Thomas, TF I still cannot assign a short-cut to message encodings. ... TF Also, I cannot assign a short-cut to the interface language. It is limitation of new UI, we have not yet found workaround. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello 9Val, On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:22:24 +0300 GMT (27/06/2005, 15:22 +0700 GMT), 9Val wrote: TF I still cannot assign a short-cut to message encodings. 9 ... TF Also, I cannot assign a short-cut to the interface language. 9 It is limitation of new UI, we have not yet found workaround. Thanks for your reply, it's very honest. I'll be looking forward to any better news, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. This afternoon there will be a meeting in the south and north ends of the church. Children will be baptized at both ends. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.0.31 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello 9Val, Friday, June 24, 2005, 5:06:06 AM, you wrote: Hi All, So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will be named releases. Currently main directions of TB! development are: - IMAP - Unicode support - HTML editor improvements - Customization - Bug-fixes ah nice, still no download image option :/ https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1780 here comes the fanboys.. -- Best regards, finalcut Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello 9Val, On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:06:06 +0300 GMT (24/06/2005, 16:06 +0700 GMT), 9Val wrote: 9 We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no 9 deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will 9 be named releases. I humbly approve of this policy. 9 Currently main directions of TB! development are: 9 - Customization I still cannot assign a short-cut to message encodings. Also, I cannot assign a short-cut to the interface language. Just noticed this today, after downloading the latest German LNG file. I am still using .30, but .31 is downloading in the background! -- Cheers, Thomas. Sorry, Officer, I didn't realize my radar detector wasn't plugged in. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.30 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 2005-06-24 (14:35), you wrote:
First things first.
Tell this to RITLABS ...
If IMAP and Exchange handling reach the quality level of POP, then by
all means start playing around with nntp.
In pronciples you are all right, but in facts. For example: customisable
interface is not connected with POP/IMAP/Exchange, but it took over 6
months of RITs time. You may not remember, but I do remember as RITs
promised NNTP before lounching version 2.xx ! It was a long time ago:
version 2.xx will have NNTP - and what? Nothing.
Working with exchage is wasting of time - The Bat! never became
replacement for MS Outlook. But NNTP is big challange for RITLABS - they
try to avoid it.
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudlacik
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Re[2]: A little roadmap
On Saturday, June 25, 2005 at 2:02:14 AM [GMT -0500], Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote: In pronciples you are all right, but in facts. For example: customisable interface is not connected with POP/IMAP/Exchange, but it took over 6 months of RITs time. Interestingly, it's this customisable interface that is saving TB! right now for me. Without it, I'd be using Mulberry. Having the 'DisConnect from server' and 'Connect to server' commands as buttons on my toolbar makes me deal with IMAP hiccups a lot easier. I'd be frustrated and gone to Mulberry without those buttons made possible by customising possibilities. Same for navigation. Navigation is now a joy since I've managed to make it work the way I've always wanted it to. Another reason why I'm now still using TB!. So I can't speak ill at all of the new customisable interface. I think it a VERY worthwhile effort which has greatly increased usability of TB!. Usability is a very, very important aspect of any application. With regards to the order in which the improvements are carried out? I have my personal opinion on it, but I don't know if that really matters. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat!™ v3.5.0.31 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Standard deviation. Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
A little roadmap
Hi All, So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will be named releases. Currently main directions of TB! development are: - IMAP - Unicode support - HTML editor improvements - Customization - Bug-fixes -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi 9Val, Le vendredi 24 juin 2005 à 11:06:06, vous écriviez : 9 Hi All, 9 So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the 9 beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) 9 We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no 9 deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will 9 be named releases. And could you tell us when the TBME (the bat mobile edition) will be released ? I'm very impatient to see/have/use it !!! Greetings, -- Claude Renaud Skype : Name : renaud_claude Number : 0870445179 Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
9Val, On 24-06-2005 11:06, you [9] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 9 Currently main directions of TB! development are: 9 - IMAP Looking very much forward. 9 - Unicode support Should be good. 9 - HTML editor improvements I suppose this will be a wise business decision. 9 - Customization Looking forward. 9 - Bug-fixes :-) Looking forward to new betas. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.30 Pro /thebat version env. ~12 POP3, 4 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will be named releases. Fair enough, but I have two concerns: 1. Currently 3.5.30 seems to be the MSI that is available for download on the Ritlabs site, and it seems that this MSI is defective. I think that RL should get a new and improved MSI out as early as possible. 2. Several days ago, Maxim announced that several bug fixes had already been completed - including a fix to the Connection Centre - that I have been wanting for a long time. I would surely prefer to get a version of TB with that long-awaited fix ASAP. What is the point of announcing that it has been fixed and then not giving a beta or daily release or whatever that would provide the required functionality (or at least a chance to test if that functionality has been restored)? So I hope this no-deadlines thing is only for official releases (to some extent, because I doubt that any business can run for long like that) and not for beta releases. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: A little roadmap
On Friday, June 24, 2005 at 5:34:13 AM [GMT -0500], Avi Yashar wrote: 2. Several days ago, Maxim announced that several bug fixes had already been completed - including a fix to the Connection Centre - that I have been wanting for a long time. I would surely prefer to get a version of TB with that long-awaited fix ASAP. What is the point of announcing that it has been fixed and then not giving a beta or daily... 9Val gave us a mini roadmap. Don't take it to be more than what it is. What does it have to do with a new service release that includes the fixes that were already reported as done? -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.30 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Itsdifficulttobeverycreativewithonlyfiftysevencharacters! Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi Avi, AY2. Several days ago, Maxim announced that several bug fixes had AY already been completed - including a fix to the Connection Centre - AY that I have been wanting for a long time. I would surely prefer to get AY a version of TB with that long-awaited fix ASAP. Yes, there are a lot fixes. But current build is not yet ready for public, do you want to start another rush session? -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Avi, AY2. Several days ago, Maxim announced that several bug fixes had AY already been completed - including a fix to the Connection Centre - AY that I have been wanting for a long time. I would surely prefer to get AY a version of TB with that long-awaited fix ASAP. Yes, there are a lot fixes. But current build is not yet ready for public, do you want to start another rush session? Not at all. And I also don't want to be given another bunch of alpha releases to test either. But I distinguish between betas and public releases. I think what most people here found most alarming was the fact that RL would put out an untested MSI as a public release - that RL suddenly rushes to go public with something that was mysteriously untested. So, 9Val, I think you are confusing my point 2 with my point 1. My first point was that there is - to the best of my knowledge - a defective MSI on the RL Website as the current public release. I think that should be fixed ASAP - in other words with an element of rush about it. My second point pertained only to beta releases. So we all know that the fixes that have been done are not yet ready for the public. But we are not the public - we are RL's beta testers. So why not releas a version of TB with those fixes to us? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 05-06-24 (11:06), you wrote:
Currently main directions of TB! development are:
- IMAP
- Unicode support
- HTML editor improvements
- Customization
- Bug-fixes
NNTP!
NNTP!
NNTP!
NNTP!
... on and on ...
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudlacik
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Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:52 pm +0300 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you want to start another rush session? Not for publication to the public no, but it would be nice if you could get your finger out for us testers :) I know it's going to take a while but it would be nice if I could at least try using TB again, I do miss it a lot! -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9Val gave us a mini roadmap. Don't take it to be more than what it is. What does it have to do with a new service release that includes the fixes that were already reported as done? Allie, I believe that 9Val's response to me and my reply to that response should clarify the connection. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello. 9 Hi All, 9 So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the 9 beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) 9 We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no 9 deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will 9 be named releases. 9 Currently main directions of TB! development are: 9 - IMAP 9 - Unicode support 9 - HTML editor improvements 9 - Customization 9 - Bug-fixes And what about MS Exchange support? It was promised on version 2. -- Best regards, Den V. Yafyasov. The Bat! v3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 LANGUAGE=AM Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not for publication to the public no, but it would be nice if you could get your finger out for us testers :) Right. That was my point also. Having said that, Tony, I'm not acquainted with the expression - get your finger out. I infer that it means something like get a move on, but why exactly? Is it a bricklayer thing? Perhaps you could enlighten us on its derivation (if suitable for tender eyes or ears). :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:44 pm +0200 Krzysztof Kudlacik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! ... on and on ... I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, photo and graphic editing. I know it will take quite a while to get TB! as good as Photoshop but it would be nice not to have to open a separate program just to edit my photo's... Oh and video editing, Adobe Premiere is so expensive and I already own TB so being able to grab, edit and author my own DVD's from within TB would be great. I could email them directly to my family then without having to have two programs open. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi Avi, AY My second point pertained only to beta releases. So we all know that AY the fixes that have been done are not yet ready for the public. But we AY are not the public - we are RL's beta testers. So why not releas a AY version of TB with those fixes to us? Yes, there are a lot fixes and they'll be delivered to testers when it will be possible. My words are based on impressions of alpha testers - there are still some unfinished work which makes the program unusable in every day terms. BTW, it is unpleasant to publish any unfinished work, no matter of name (alpha/beta/release) and no matter who'll use it (testers/end users/reviewers) P.S. it seems, version will be available today, so be patient ;) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: A little roadmap
Bonjour Tony, TB I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, photo and graphic TB editing. I know it will take quite a while to get TB! as good as Photoshop TB but it would be nice not to have to open a separate program just to edit my TB photo's... Oh and video editing, Adobe Premiere is so expensive and I TB already own TB so being able to grab, edit and author my own DVD's from TB within TB would be great. I could email them directly to my family then TB without having to have two programs open. You mean TheBat as a new operating system? Great, I wanted to switch to Linux, but I'll wait then! ;-) -- FRANCIS J. SEGOND Webpage: http://faustroll.net, http://butsu.org PGP-Key: http://www.segond.de/pubkey/segond.asc Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, 9Val wrote: BTW, it is unpleasant to publish any unfinished work, no matter of name (alpha/beta/release) and no matter who'll use it (testers/end users/reviewers) I understand. I appreciate people who always try to produce the best possible product that they can, and I sympathize with their frustration when compelled to release something less than what they are capable of. P.S. it seems, version will be available today, so be patient ;) Not a problem. I only became a bit concerned because your original message suggested that it might take quite a lot longer. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, Fnar-fnar. -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. A backward poet writes inverse. pgpDKBSSDqfEw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, Tony Boom wrote: --On Friday, June 24, 2005 3:13 pm +0300 Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, Tony, I'm not acquainted with the expression - get your finger out. I infer that it means something like get a move on, but why exactly? It means exactly that, Stop sitting there with your finger stuck up your a** and get some work done I see. Finger stuck up your donkey... though why you put the asterisks in there I don't quite comprehend. But, okay, I think I know enough now. :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 3:00 pm +0200 Francis Segond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean TheBat as a new operating system? Great, I wanted to switch to Linux, but I'll wait then! ;-) Brilliant idea. Reformat, install just The Bat and it does it all, never have to buy another software application again, great idea Francis :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Greetings BatPeople, Friday, June 24, 2005, 9:49:44 AM, Tony wrote: T --On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:44 pm +0200 Krzysztof Kudlacik T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! ... on and on ... T I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, photo and graphic T editing. I know it will take quite a while to get TB! as good as Photoshop T but it would be nice not to have to open a separate program just to edit my T photo's... Oh and video editing, Adobe Premiere is so expensive and I T already own TB so being able to grab, edit and author my own DVD's from T within TB would be great. I could email them directly to my family then T without having to have two programs open. Since you (rhetorical you .. no one specific) seem to be on wild wish tangents, why not incorporate everything into a new OS so we wont even need windoze anymore. 8-) I usually don't get on a soapbox but ... I realize Tony was probably being facetious, but he didnt indicate such. This is an EMAIL client, not a news reader or graphics editor or controller for thermonuclear missiles. If you want those, there are dedicated products for them. This is a dedicated product for drafting, sending, receiving and sorting email. -- Cheers, \\' Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.30 under Windows XP ver5.1 Build 2600 using a P4 2.8Ghz, 512MB RAM with cable modem Plugins: Grisoft AVG 7.0 // BayesIt! 0.8.1 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: A little roadmap
Het was op vrijdag 24 juni 2005 om 16:15 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'A little roadmap' : Hallo Tony, You mean TheBat as a new operating system? Great, I wanted to switch to Linux, but I'll wait then! ;-) TB Brilliant idea. Reformat, install just The Bat and it does it all, never TB have to buy another software application again, great idea Francis :) Hmzzz... the heat got to ya? I just bought a second-hand Apple G3/233 Somehow Mac OS feels more secure than Bat OS hehehe:rofl2: -- regards, Cees Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.30 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
- HTML editor improvements Will that incorporate a switch to a graphics library (GDI+) that supports decent scaling for pictures? -- With best regards Lars Sölter The Bat! Version 3.5.28 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
This is an EMAIL client, not a news reader That said, with the help of a small plugin TB does quite a good job of being a newsreader. I for one like to use TB for these quite similar messaging tasks. Further I use TB for collecting my RSS subscriptions too; another messaging task. Don't misunderstand; I'm not suggesting for one moment that TB should spend time developing built-in NNTP or RSS functionality this is the sort of thing plugins are for, but just because you choose to work with multiple apps open doesn't mean that we all have to. Besides, I think Tony's on a winner; being able to author and mail my home movies in one app sounds like a great idea! :gdr: -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. Children seldom misquote you. (In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said.) pgpwHHEkfiGth.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 9:26 am -0400 Wolffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a dedicated product for drafting, sending, receiving and sorting email. Exactly, without doubt, 100% exactly what I said. It's an email client, not a bloody news reader. I realize Tony was probably being facetious, but he didnt indicate such. I thought it was pretty obvious without the need for indication :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT speed was A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 3:28 pm +0200 Cees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought a second-hand Apple G3/233 Somehow Mac OS feels more secure than Bat OS Beat ya, mine a G3/500 :) What's the comparison between Mac speed and PC speed? This only seems marginally slower than my 2.4 P4. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Tony, On Friday, June 24, 2005 at 3:49:44 PM Tony [TB] wrote: TB --On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:44 pm +0200 Krzysztof Kudlacik TB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! ... on and on ... TB I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, photo and graphic TB editing. I know it will take quite a while to get TB! as good as Photoshop TB but it would be nice not to have to open a separate program just to edit my TB photo's... Oh and video editing, Adobe Premiere is so expensive and I TB already own TB so being able to grab, edit and author my own DVD's from TB within TB would be great. I could email them directly to my family then TB without having to have two programs open. *pah* go playing somewhere else! If you want an all-in-one MTA that's capable of photo editing and some more and behaves like an OS: write your own LISP-code for (X)Emacs, the best OS with the worst text editor built-in ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) How does a gay man spell relief? - N O A I D S Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On 24/06/2005 17:09 +0200 Peter wrote: *pah* go playing somewhere else! If you want an all-in-one MTA that's capable of photo editing and some more and behaves like an OS: write your own No, Tony's right. We need the ability to display movie images of posters in TB, plus the ability to attach sound files so that we can hear them speak their messages. Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. -- Clive Taylor Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Clive! On Friday, June 24, 2005, 10:31 AM, you wrote: *pah* go playing somewhere else! If you want an all-in-one MTA that's capable of photo editing and some more and behaves like an OS: write your own No, Tony's right. We need the ability to display movie images of posters in TB, plus the ability to attach sound files so that we can hear them speak their messages. Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. Everyone seems to be forgetting to include Smell-A-Vision here, too! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: How to make a MUA unusable (was: A little roadmap)
Hello Clive, On Friday, June 24, 2005 at 5:31:56 PM Clive [CT] wrote: CT --On 24/06/2005 17:09 +0200 Peter wrote: *pah* go playing somewhere else! If you want an all-in-one MTA that's capable of photo editing and some more and behaves like an OS: write your own CT No, Tony's right. We need the ability to display movie images of posters in CT TB, plus the ability to attach sound files so that we can hear them speak CT their messages. *hmmm* Are you looking for IncrediMail? A really incredible superfluous MUA ;-) CT Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the CT message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. Don't know IncrediMail with all it's facets, but I guess that's not implemented yet ... File a wish to them ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Rape?! No, let's call it Assault with a friendly weapon Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: How to make a MUA unusable (was: A little roadmap)
--On 24/06/2005 17:39 +0200 Peter wrote: Don't know IncrediMail with all it's facets, but I guess that's not implemented yet ... File a wish to them ;-) Surely Ritlabs can produce a better programme than Incredimail. After all, in just one weekend 9val managed to incorporate those picture things - and implement a rudimentary chat feature. All of these things are much, much more important than core functionality. -- Clive Taylor Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Tony, Friday, June 24, 2005, 4:15:16 PM, you wrote: TB Brilliant idea. Reformat, install just The Bat and it does it all, never TB have to buy another software application again, great idea Francis I sincerely hope we will get all of this as a free upgrade!?! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.5.30 MyMacros 1.11 Universal Macro eXtender 2.4.1185 Summer edition beta zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 11:36:50) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
9Val, So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) Good to see your smiling face. We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will be named releases. Good idea. Currently main directions of TB! development are: - IMAP - Unicode support - HTML editor improvements - Customization - Bug-fixes I noticed the responses so far reflect not too much complaining, and some joking around. It sounds like the list mostly approves. Worthy goals all, I think, including html editor improvements. And good allocation of resources if you have several people to give each task. I don't need unicode, but I know that a lot of people do. This list will bring TB to being a very fine program if given the time it really needs. It would be nice to see things like nntp in TB. But I know how long these things take. I am already an old man. I don't want to wait years for TB to be as good as Agent is with newsgroups. And, I don't think there is any point in doing it if you aren't going to do it right. Forte says they got to the current release version of Agent in 9 years. Maybe RIT could do it in 8. My suggestion for long term goals would be to really focus on coming up with excellent new ideas that nobody else is doing. The world already has a good nntp client, there are several email clients that have added calendaring/scheduling in the past year or two. Me Too has limited benefit as a development strategy, although a certain amount of it is necessary. The mail ticker was a great new idea. More of that kind of thing would be the wisest direction to go. I think. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 4:31 pm +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Tony's right. We need the ability to display movie images of posters in TB, plus the ability to attach sound files so that we can hear them speak their messages. Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. Super idea, all video email. No typing, no spelling mistakes, no need for a keyboard. I just thought of a better idea, how about a small handheld device that we can talk directly into if we want to talk to each other. Maybe we could each have our own personal identification, a number or something like that so that a bell rings when someone want's to talk to us... Wow, I think I might patent that idea before anyone else thinks of it, it sounds great :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 10:38 am -0500 Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone seems to be forgetting to include Smell-A-Vision here, too! I'd rather not have that given how hot it's been lately :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 4:31 pm +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. Most of us have that already, you can get it here... http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/ Wayhay! I just learnt how to CP with this Mac :) Note to Mods, I have tried to get this onto TBOT but they won't let me... -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Tony! On Friday, June 24, 2005, 11:56 AM, you wrote: Everyone seems to be forgetting to include Smell-A-Vision here, too! I'd rather not have that given how hot it's been lately :) Okay, it could be an option, not default? ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Mark, A reminder of what Mark Partous on TBBETA typed on: 24 June 2005 at 17:57:29 GMT +0200 I sincerely hope we will get all of this as a free upgrade!?! :-) Of course, as long as it remains in the V3.x.x cycle. I'd expect to pay a small upgrade fee for v4 though :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgpeei64HiBvN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Gleason, A reminder of what Gleason Pace on TBBETA typed on: 24 June 2005 at 09:11:25 GMT -0700 I noticed the responses so far reflect not too much complaining, and some joking around. It sounds like the list mostly approves. No, it sounds mostly like Deja Moo. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgp46Ne3852KQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 24 June 2005 at 12:01:12 GMT -0500 Okay, it could be an option, not default? ;) And you said I was good at funny comments :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgpCv44LcSLBD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:52 PM +0300 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, there are a lot fixes. But current build is not yet ready for public, do you want to start another rush session? sure, why not? ;) it would give an excuse for a new round of bash all those bums in Moldavia. -- Dwight A Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67203 316/303-1411 fax: 316/265-7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 2:15 PM + Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean TheBat as a new operating system? Great, I wanted to switch to Linux, but I'll wait then! ;-) Brilliant idea. Reformat, install just The Bat and it does it all, never have to buy another software application again, great idea Francis :) I've been thinking of taking up homebrewing, maybe it can help with that too! -- Dwight A Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67203 316/303-1411 fax: 316/265-7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 6:13 PM +0100 Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, as long as it remains in the V3.x.x cycle. I'd expect to pay a small upgrade fee for v4 though :) Worth every farthing, because it will be able to do the shopping, and prepare all the meals. 4.5 will change diapers. -- Dwight A Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67203 316/303-1411 fax: 316/265-7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 5:56 PM +0100 Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone seems to be forgetting to include Smell-A-Vision here, too! I'd rather not have that given how hot it's been lately :) we've had enough of that bacon sandwich already -- Dwight A Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67203 316/303-1411 fax: 316/265-7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 3:03 pm -0500 Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking of taking up homebrewing, maybe it can help with that too! I used to make my own wine. Trouble is when it came to siphoning it into the bottles I kept getting the tube stuck in my mouth :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT speed was A little roadmap
Hello Tony Boom everyone else, on 24-Jun-2005 at 17:01 you (Tony Boom) wrote: What's the comparison between Mac speed and PC speed? This only seems marginally slower than my 2.4 P4. As if anyone would need 2.4Ghz for word processing, email, browsing the WWW, or office stuff... I'm happy for more GHz when I want to encode some music, though. :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Dilbert's Words of Wisdom: On the keyboard of life, always keep one finger on the escape key. Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello 9Val everyone else, on 24-Jun-2005 at 11:06 you (9Val) wrote: - HTML editor improvements In the HTML range, may I stress that this old issue needs attention, too: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4036 -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Possible Gardens (12:20) by Pete Namlook Peter Prochir from the album 'Possible Gardens' Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi, 9 29.04TB! 3.5 (Return) Release Candidate 1 Will this be a complete install package that one can use to atomatically update the latest release version, without manually fiddling with icon- and settings files, while still keeping all personal settings made in the previous version? -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpWmXVNuvTjp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello MAU, On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M Well, bug or feature I do appreciate your support :) and I hope 9Val is M listening As you know I've added my support to this before but there's no harm in jogging people's memory with such a _very_ important issue, so I'll just add my wish for it again too. Personally I agree with Jonathan that it's a bug because it really shouldn't have the drastic effect on threading that it does. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.20 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi Boris, BA Are you planing to fix all bugs which appeared in this beta cycle (and BA are known)? No, it is impossible. Some of them are limitations of new system, which couldn't be fixed to soon. Some of them are not bugs but incompatibility with old behaviour. BA If not, when do you plan to fix these ones. Next beta cycle :) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi MAU, M Yes, I agree with you and I also appreciate the roadmap. But we must be M realistic though, the road map is only to the nearest village which is M just a few miles away ;-) Do you want to see road map to City of Emeralds ;-) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi MAU, M Well, bug or feature I do appreciate your support :) and I hope 9Val is M listening :) He is always listening but not always is the wizard ;-) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: ESC doesn't remove filter in ML (was: Re: A little roadmap)
Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU on TBBETA typed on: 28 April 2005 at 01:04:09 GMT +0200 M ESC is working fine here and AFAIK it has been working fine in al betas. M I use this quite frequently. Me too, it works fine, as does ctrl+= for the same purpose. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium , 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Boris, On Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 12:46:13 AM Boris [BA] wrote: 2.05-4.05TB! 3.5 (Return) Release Candidate 2 Fix of non-fixed and fix of the bugs created by fixing :-) BA Are you planing to fix all bugs which appeared in this beta cycle (and BA are known)? If not, when do you plan to fix these ones. I strongly BA recommend to fix all bugs - the 3.5 will get much attention of users BA (especially of those, who didn't use TheBat! yet, because of its UI). BA Hope you use this chance and present a very stable version to the new BA users. Seconded. Absolutely seconded. This upcoming final will contain to much new and (hopefully) fixed / improved / made up things compared to the last release, to give away the chance to get a *superb* reputation in so many magazines and and mouth-to-mouth propaganda. 6.05-7.05TB! 3.5 (Return) Final BA I recommend to announce the Final in TBBeta list, maybe even a view BA hours before official release - so if there's a very hard showstopper in BA it (made from fixing in RC2) beta testers have a chance to warn you. A maybe even better idea is to release a RC3 on this period, let the Tester have a last look on it and release this RC unchanged as Final on evening of 7th or morning of 8th if final testing does not reveal anything new. Announcing the Final here *will* make it's way around the world although it's not announced officially and it *will* be downloaded immediately everywhere, so the intended effect will be dropped (IMHO). -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Politeness, n.: The most acceptable hypocrisy. -- Ambrose Bierce Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Richard, As you know I've added my support to this before but there's no harm in jogging people's memory with such a _very_ important issue, so I'll just add my wish for it again too. Thanks for your support :) I am sure this issue will be addressed sooner or later, we just have to be patient. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello 9Val, He is always listening but not always is the wizard ;-) I know you are 9Val. And, as I have just said in another message, I am sure this issue will be addressed some time in the future and understand there are higher priority issues right now. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello 9Val, Do you want to see road map to City of Emeralds ;-) Well, maybe just to the next village would be enough at this time ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: ESC doesn't remove filter in ML (was: Re: A little roadmap)
Hello Tony, On Thursday, April 28, 2005 you wrote: Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU on TBBETA typed on: 28 April 2005 at 01:04:09 GMT +0200 M ESC is working fine here and AFAIK it has been working fine in al betas. M I use this quite frequently. Me too, it works fine, as does ctrl+= for the same purpose. OK, after some more testing, it seems to work in folders, but not in virtual folders. I can reproduce it always. -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.9.20 Return [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: ESC doesn't remove filter in ML (was: Re: A little roadmap)
Hello Krzysztof, Thursday, April 28, 2005, 6:54:06 AM, you wrote: Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU on TBBETA typed on: 28 April 2005 at 01:04:09 GMT +0200 M ESC is working fine here and AFAIK it has been working fine in al betas. M I use this quite frequently. Me too, it works fine, as does ctrl+= for the same purpose. KT OK, after some more testing, it seems to work in folders, but not in KT virtual folders. I can reproduce it always. Confirmed. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
A little roadmap
Hi All, Well, as you can see, integration of new GUI system is mostly finished, so here is a short-time roadmap: 29.04TB! 3.5 (Return) Release Candidate 1 It will differ from .20 only with bug fixes and ability to create/maintain containers in customizer and re-design of customizer. So any input on show-stoppers, most critical and fatal bugs are appreciated. Only thing I ask for is to make that input organized for easier understanding. Good example is Peter/Boris bug-list. It will be really good if every reported bug report will contain possible group, resume and comments, in example: IMAP : something somewhere goes wrong When I press Z I expect to ... but happens ... I have ... enabled and everything else disabled UI : menu item X is enabled while shouldn't be even visible It happens only then I'm using ... and ... and so on. It will be great, if anybody will collect them in one mail, but using groupping. But since it is mostly impossible, I suggest to start thread per group, in example all GUI related stuff should be reported as reply to first-GUI-reported message. Subjects of such reports should contain bug-group info like Other: AV on entering search. Hope my suggestions were clearly enough :-) We are waiting for your input. 2.05-4.05TB! 3.5 (Return) Release Candidate 2 Fix of non-fixed and fix of the bugs created by fixing :-) 6.05-7.05TB! 3.5 (Return) Final No comments :-) PS: Thanks for everybody, who participated in this beta cycle and whose input helped us to make new GUI more usable -- 9Val http://9val.dyndns.org/wp/ Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
9Val, On 27-04-2005 21:27, you [9] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 9 So any input on show-stoppers, most critical and fatal bugs are 9 appreciated. Do you need the IMAP bugs I have reported to you privately here on the list, too? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.9.19 Return Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Peter, PF Do you need the IMAP bugs I have reported to you privately here on the PF list, too? Yes, it will be usefull, more testers - more conditions, more ideas when it happens and how to reproduce it better. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello 9Val everyone else, thanks for posting the roadmap. Most urgently, take care of the threading issue reported by MAU, it is not in Peter list as far as I can see. The current thread by reference should be renamed to thread by reference subject and the old thread by reference of all pre3.0.9 versions should be brought back, maybe as thread by reference only. on 27-Apr-2005 at 21:27 you (9Val) wrote: UI : menu item X is enabled while shouldn't be even visible It happens only then I'm using ... and ... I don't know if it has been reported already (a search gave no results)... the right-mouse-button context menu for the message list has a new top-most entry Refresh. If I understand it correctly it is a command for Virtual Folders and/or IMAP accounts? I don't know why it is there for regular folders in a POP3 account. (it is a minor disturbance, I used to open that menu and select the first entry to go to the next unread message when I don't use the keyboard because I have a pizza or beer in the other hand *gg*) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Tomorrow a stranger will say with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought and felt all the time, and we shall be forced to take with shame our own opinion from another. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Alexander, On 27-04-2005 22:56, you [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK Most urgently, take care of the threading issue reported by MAU, it ASK is not in Peter list as far as I can see. The current thread by ASK reference should be renamed to thread by reference subject and ASK the old thread by reference of all pre3.0.9 versions should be ASK brought back, maybe as thread by reference only. Agreed. This is just as annoying as the IMAP issues. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.9.19 Return Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On Wednesday, April 27, 2005, 3:56:35 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Most urgently, take care of the threading issue reported by MAU, it is not in Peter list as far as I can see. The current thread by reference should be renamed to thread by reference subject and the old thread by reference of all pre3.0.9 versions should be brought back, maybe as thread by reference only. I haven't said anything about this issue, but concur completely with MAU on this. The current reference and subject just won't do as only choice. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.0.9.20 Return on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Alexander, On 27-04-2005 22:56, you [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK Most urgently, take care of the threading issue reported by MAU, it ASK is not in Peter list as far as I can see. BTW, the View mode: New thread sorting is also broken (new threads are NOT placed at the bottom if sorting by age). To me, this is as annoying as the changed threading. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.9.19 Return Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Alexander, Most urgently, take care of the threading issue reported by MAU, it is not in Peter list as far as I can see. Thanks for your support :) It is not in Peter's list because it is not a bug. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello MAU, Wednesday, April 27, 2005, 4:41:27 PM, you wrote: Hello Alexander, Most urgently, take care of the threading issue reported by MAU, it is not in Peter list as far as I can see. Thanks for your support :) It is not in Peter's list because it is not a bug. In all technicalities... it is ;) The other emails aren't under the same reference headers, so should not match... that to me makes it a bug :) I second your request though. -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpnKvgn1xJhs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Ctrl-click in VF doesn't trigger follow action (was: Re: A little roadmap)
Hello 9Val, On Wednesday, April 27, 2005 you wrote: UI: ctrl-clicking a message in virtual folder no longer acts as follow. The option in context menu works though. -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.9.20 Return under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
ESC doesn't remove filter in ML (was: Re: A little roadmap)
Hello 9Val, On Wednesday, April 27, 2005 you wrote: UI: ESC key doesn't remove filter in message list. You have to select View/Display/All messages. -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.9.20 Return under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Jonathan, Thanks for your support :) It is not in Peter's list because it is not a bug. In all technicalities... it is ;) The other emails aren't under the same reference headers, so should not match... that to me makes it a bug :) I second your request though. Well, bug or feature I do appreciate your support :) and I hope 9Val is listening :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: ESC doesn't remove filter in ML (was: Re: A little roadmap)
Hello Krzysztof, UI: ESC key doesn't remove filter in message list. You have to select View/Display/All messages. ESC is working fine here and AFAIK it has been working fine in al betas. I use this quite frequently. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Boris, here is a short-time roadmap: Thanks very much for this! I (and others) often have requested a roadmap to know where we are - so thanks for hearing our request. Yes, I agree with you and I also appreciate the roadmap. But we must be realistic though, the road map is only to the nearest village which is just a few miles away ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
