HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Hello Dwight, Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:13:25 PM, you wrote: That's what HTML was invented for. To make mails colourful. OK, there is no reason to overdo it, like we are doing now. If word goes out, Incredimail users will switch to TheBat!, and we don't want to be responsible for that. On the other hand, this may be a new way of email communication. eg Not that I like it, but then. At least we can make some use of the ugly blue bar. Never knew before why we have it at all, now I know. I wonder how many people actually like the ugly blue bar. I wouldn't know any, but then, who do I know. My suggestion is to reduce the ugly blue bar to a small sqiggly line by default. On Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:32:54 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Wow, consider the possibilities. Too bad it doesn't work like the MicroEd editor in these boxes. and that the text background doesn't work like it should either It let me change the color of the type pretty ridiculous Hello Volker, On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:15:11 +0100 GMT (26/Jan/10, 2:15 AM +0700 GMT), Volker Ahrendt wrote: See here the previous discussion [Reply to: »Dwight Corrin« · 2010-01-25 · 18:55 h (CET)] Moin, Dwight! And you can write some text in it ? On Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:48:10 AM, Mark Partous wrote: As Dwight Corrin said : you can make it thinner by hovering -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.23.1 Alpha on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.21.1 Alpha under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Title: Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. ) On Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:46:56 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Dwight, Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:13:25 PM, you wrote: That's whatHTML wasinvented for. To make mails colourful. OK, there is no reason to overdo it, like we are doing now. If word goes out, Incredimail users will switch to TheBat!, and we don't want to be responsible for that. On the other hand, this may be a new way of email communication. eg Not that I like it, but then. At least we can make some use of the ugly blue bar. Never knew before why we have it at all, now I know. I wonder how many people actually like the ugly blue bar. I wouldn't know any, but then, who do I know. My suggestion is to reduce the ugly blue bar to a small sqiggly line by default. On Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:32:54 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Wow, consider the possibilities. Too bad it doesn't work like the MicroEd editor in these boxes. and that the text background doesn't work like it should either It let me change the color of the type pretty ridiculous Hello Volker, On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:15:11 +0100 GMT (26/Jan/10, 2:15 AM +0700 GMT), Volker Ahrendt wrote: See here the previous discussion [Reply to: »Dwight Corrin« · 2010-01-25 · 18:55 h (CET)] Moin, Dwight! And you can write some text in it On Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:48:10 AM, Mark Partous wrote: As Dwight Corrin said : "you can make it thinner by hovering I'm not sure how you trim this. And must admit, only avoiding a trout kept me from top posting this reply. I agree entirely with your last suggestion. Maybe give ability to change the color? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries athttp://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog athttp://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.23.1 Alpha on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Hello all, Tuesday, January 26, 2010, Thomas Fernandez wrote: My suggestion is to reduce the ugly blue bar to a small sqiggly line by default. solution is changing table to blockquote, current behaviour is unfriendly for replying to part of quoted text, I do not like it and have Microed enabled for all messages, plain and html. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.23 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.2.7 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Hello Dwight, On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:22:46 -0600 GMT (27/Jan/10, 0:22 AM +0700 GMT), Dwight Corrin wrote: No need to top-post any more. Left-post is the name of the new game! And who needs trimming anyway? I like your yellow background. How did you do that, and does it work for left-posting too? On Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:46:56 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Dwight, Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:13:25 PM, you wrote: That's what HTML was invented for. To make mails colourful. OK, there is no reason to overdo it, like we are doing now. If word goes out, Incredimail users will switch to TheBat!, and we don't want to be responsible for that. On the other hand, this may be a new way of email communication. eg Not that I like it, but then. At least we can make some use of the ugly blue bar. Never knew before why we have it at all, now I know. I wonder how many people actually like the ugly blue bar. I wouldn't know any, but then, who do I know. My suggestion is to reduce the ugly blue bar to a small sqiggly line by default. On Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:32:54 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Wow, consider the possibilities. Too bad it doesn't work like the MicroEd editor in these boxes. and that the text background doesn't work like it should either It let me change the color of the type pretty ridiculous Hello Volker, On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:15:11 +0100 GMT (26/Jan/10, 2:15 AM +0700 GMT), Volker Ahrendt wrote: See here the previous discussion [Reply to: »Dwight Corrin« · 2010-01-25 · 18:55 h (CET)] Moin, Dwight! And you can write some text in it ? On Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:48:10 AM, Mark Partous wrote: As Dwight Corrin said : you can make it thinner by hovering I'm not sure how you trim this. And must admit, only avoiding a trout kept me from top posting this reply. I agree entirely with your last suggestion. Maybe give ability to change the color? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.23.1 Alpha on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.21.1 Alpha under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Hello Marek, On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:33:04 +0100 GMT (27/Jan/10, 0:33 AM +0700 GMT), Marek Mikus wrote: My suggestion is to reduce the ugly blue bar to a small sqiggly line by default. MM solution is changing table to blockquote, current behaviour is unfriendly MM for replying to part of quoted text, Solution is making TB! follow de-facto standards for HTML replies. Period. MM I do not like it and have Microed enabled for all messages, plain MM and html. That's your privilege. I can't afford it, I have to reply in HTML to business HTML messages, especially those containing tables and/or pictures. TB! is far behind current expected behaviour of email clients when replying to HTML emails. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.21.1 Alpha under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Thomas, That's your privilege. I can't afford it, I have to reply in HTML to business HTML messages, especially those containing tables and/or pictures. TB! is far behind current expected behaviour of email clients when replying to HTML emails. For me it is the only usable one from the list: Becky, Thunderbird, Postbox, Seamonkey, Pegasus, Chaos Intellect, and lots of others. The blue bar on the left is part of the standard. It could be narrower, I do make it that way, myself, when replying. The essential thing in html replies is that, if you put the cursor at the end of a line in the quoted area and press Enter, the editor should split the quote into two sections with the new text I enter between the two areas, and not quoted. It is true that the Mozz family does this, but the blue quote llines don't show in messages received outside the Mozz and MS families. Not acceptable. My complaint with TB is that it doesn't do well with complex html formatting in display or reply. In this regard, Becky and Pegaus have the advantage of at least getting the formatting right even if you can't insert text where you want it in replies. Pegasus even does this without relying on MS components. Bravo. Pegasus replies, though, do loose embeded graphics in sent replies, even though they show in the message editor. Booo. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Hello Gleason, On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:15:41 -0500 GMT (27/Jan/10, 2:15 AM +0700 GMT), Gleason wrote: That's your privilege. I can't afford it, I have to reply in HTML to business HTML messages, especially those containing tables and/or pictures. TB! is far behind current expected behaviour of email clients when replying to HTML emails. G For me it is the only usable one from the list: Becky, Thunderbird, G Postbox, Seamonkey, Pegasus, Chaos Intellect, and lots of others. Interesting. G The blue bar on the left is part of the standard. It could be G narrower, I do make it that way, myself, when replying. Can you point me to that standard? Is it an RFC? I don't receive replies from other clients that use the blue bar, but then, most of my communication partners use either Outlook or TheBat!. G The essential thing in html replies is that, if you put the cursor at G the end of a line in the quoted area and press Enter, the editor G should split the quote into two sections with the new text I enter G between the two areas, and not quoted. It is true that the Mozz family G does this, but the blue quote llines don't show in messages received G outside the Mozz and MS families. Not acceptable. TheBat! will split the quote as you describe. Let me try later whether it is correclty visible with other clients. G My complaint with TB is that it doesn't do well with complex html G formatting in display or reply. In this regard, Becky and Pegaus have G the advantage of at least getting the formatting right even if you G can't insert text where you want it in replies. Pegasus even does this G without relying on MS components. Bravo. Pegasus replies, though, do G loose embeded graphics in sent replies, even though they show in the G message editor. Booo. Losing embedded graphics or tables is bad, would be a show-stopper for me. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.23 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Thomas, G For me it is the only usable one from the list: Becky, Thunderbird, G Postbox, Seamonkey, Pegasus, Chaos Intellect, and lots of others. Interesting. G The blue bar on the left is part of the standard. It could be G narrower, I do make it that way, myself, when replying. Can you point me to that standard? Is it an RFC? I don't receive replies from other clients that use the blue bar, but then, most of my communication partners use either Outlook or TheBat!. Both of those will do it as will all of the above, except when replying in text mode. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
