Hello Leif Gregory everyone else,
on 23-Okt-2005 at 20:00 you (Leif Gregory) wrote:
Wow.. You check them all? I guess I could see if you really check
every single message for PGP authenticity.
Erm... Leif... I really want you to moderate yourself for replying in a
DH'ed thread, now. ;-)
--
Hello Curtis,
Saturday, October 22, 2005, 3:58:26 PM, you wrote:
BTW, it was so cool to have ThunderBird autocheck PGP
signatures. But hey, it's just a tinsy winsy click on an icon in
TB!. I wonder then why I rarely do that little click action. It's so
darned *annoying* having to
On 20/10/2005 at 3:30:17 PM [GMT -0500], Leif Gregory wrote:
If I want to see it, it's just a single double-click away.
I find this the weakest argument. It's a huge problem when it's a
repetitive action. You double click and the browser may or may not come
to the forefront. If it doesn't come
On 21/10/2005 at 9:47:55 AM [GMT -0500], Leif Gregory wrote:
I'm deadhorsing the issue,
I should have read the entire thread before jumping in. My apologies for
having erred. :notworthy:
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PGPKey:
Hello Leif,
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, at 10:10:02 [GMT -0600] (which was 12:10:02
PM in NY, USA) Leif Gregory wrote:
Hello Michael,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 9:49:40 AM, you wrote:
John Doe Users don't even know that TheBat! exists! TheBat! is an
email-client for experienced users who search
Security Dad: Documentation is a security risk.
ROFL
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Using The Bat! v3.61.13 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600
Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.4, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2,
SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a.
Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put
Hello Leif,
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, at 12:13:25 [GMT -0600] (which was 2:13:25
PM in NY, USA) Leif Gregory wrote:
Be a part of the solution.
1. When a message comes in that contains outside images it should be
checked against a whitelist.
snip
2. Do we only accept file references to an
Hi James,
On Friday, October 21, 2005, 3:39:40 PM:
What about a message pane toggle that is off by default for
every message. Once the user confirms that they want to take the
risk, the click the toggle. They could also click OK on a
warning alert. The resulting message opens in a tab like
Hello rmorris,
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:48:42 -0500 GMT (21/10/2005, 11:48 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
rrgc If I wanted outlook,opera,firefox,the Becky,pegaus I would have them
rrgc as my sole e-mail client. I want THE BAT! to first and foremost to be
rrgc secure=sure you give a little up
Hello James,
Friday, October 21, 2005, 7:16:06 AM, you wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't recommend TB to someone who I felt needed to
be protected from all the Internet baddies they didn't understand.
If they cannot understand the threats, how can they understand TB?
Internet 101 before Internet
10/21/2005 10:03 AM
Hi James,
On 10/21/2005 James Senick wrote:
JS If 99% of the world
JS didn't use crap like OE, perhaps those companies would learn to
JS write.
How true! People live up to what is expected. Quality improves when
the bar is raised...not lowered. I appreciate your input.
--
10/21/2005 10:10 AM
Hi James,
On 10/21/2005 James Senick wrote:
JS What about a message pane toggle that is off by default for
JS every message. Once the user confirms that they want to take the
JS risk, the click the toggle. They could also click OK on a
JS warning alert. The resulting
10/21/2005 10:06 AM
Hi rmorris,
On 10/21/2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
rrgc If I wanted outlook,opera,firefox,the Becky,pegaus I would have them
rrgc as my sole e-mail client. I want THE BAT! to first and foremost to be
rrgc secure=sure you give a little up but the piece of mind that comes
Hi Paul,
On Friday, October 21, 2005, 4:14:42 PM:
What about the other features of TheBat! ?
To show how silly your way of arguing is:
You can have this feature right now:
Yeah. You can have the feature of a perfect and secure eMailClient.
Just like you want it - right out of the 80s.
Try
Hello Paul,
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/E-mail/E-mail-Clients/Foxmail.shtml
Interesting to see the bottom of that page (MOST POPULAR DOWNLOADS IN
THIS CATEGORY ( E-mail Clients )), where TB is third just behind OE and
Thunderbird, both of them freeware :)
--
Best regards,
Miguel A.
for offsite images being displayed and feel they don't need to be
protected by what amounts to annoyances. Imagine if TB simply
blocked all attachments from being opened directly...one just has to
jump through a few hoops to get screwed. Same here.
It does (well, not all). Ever tried to open a .PIF
Hello Leif,
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, at 08:11:12 [GMT -0600] (which was 10:11:12
AM in NY, USA) Leif Gregory wrote:
Friday, October 21, 2005, 7:16:06 AM, you wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't recommend TB to someone who I felt needed to
be protected from all the Internet baddies they didn't
the opposition won't feel like
I'm deadhorsing them because I don't want to hear their comments.
We'll all just have to agree to disagree and see what RITLabs decides
to do with it because regardless of how loudly we each howl, they'll
have the final say.
This deadhorse applies to the entire Offsite
10/21/2005 10:47 AM
Hi Michael,
On 10/21/2005 Michael Schneider wrote:
MS you see?
I do seeI'm not sure about you...
--
Take Care,
Paul
The Bat! v.3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195
Current beta is 3.61.13
Hello Paul,
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, at 10:14:42 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:14:42
AM in NY, USA) Paul Van Noord wrote:
JS The resulting message opens in a tab like the
JS TXT, HTML tabs there are now. Moving to another message toggles
JS back to default.
You can have this feature right now:
Hi Paul,
Am Friday, October 21, 2005, 4:49:18 PM, schriebst du:
I do seeI'm not sure about you...
Then you're not sure about yourself. I just used your line of
arguments ;)
Michael
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Hello MAU!
On Friday, October 21, 2005, 9:33 AM, you wrote:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/E-mail/E-mail-Clients/Foxmail.shtml
Interesting to see the bottom of that page (MOST POPULAR DOWNLOADS IN
THIS CATEGORY ( E-mail Clients )), where TB is third just behind OE and
Thunderbird,
Hello Leif,
A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBBETA typed on:
Friday, October 21, 2005 at 08:47:55 GMT -0600
I'm deadhorsing the issue,
Thank you so much!
The terms Paint dry and Grass grow were gradually becoming more
appealing.
--
Tony.
Using The Bat! v3.61.13 Echo (Beta) on a G5
Hello Sebastian Murawski everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 22:25 you (Sebastian Murawski) wrote:
I noticed that Thunderbird has a ice feature that I cannot (but
would like to) find in TB: When an HTML email is displayed that
contains graphics from EXTERNAL locations (i.e. they
Hello Leif!
On Friday, October 21, 2005, 9:47 AM, you wrote:
This deadhorse applies to the entire Offsite Images threads. We can
take it to TBOT though.
I want to apologize. I replied to MAU's comments on this thread before
Comcast offered me your message DeadHorsing the discussion.
Just
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 20:02 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote:
Please do not tamper with one of the significant positives of the TB
for the sake of convenience or pleasure.
SH FFS, it's a tool! It is /supposed/ to be convenient!
At what price
I'll file
10/21/2005 11:17 AM
Hi Alexander,
It is sad to lose my respect for you, especially in this manner.
Someday I hope you are afforded the opportunity to work with many
people from different cultures in many parts of the world, especially
those whose very life is threatened by the insecurity of
Hello Leif Gregory everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 22:30 you (Leif Gregory) wrote:
A double-click, two quick clicks and you have the ability to see the HTML
message in all its blazing glory.
There is no way to show an HTML message in all its blazing glory if such
a message contains both
TB should not download messages at all.
This function is already there; just enable IMAP.
This is the most secure email client ever. No, wait! It shouldn't
even START! Thats much better.
This was a standard feature a while back, they took it out!
--
Stuart Hemming
Using The Bat! v3.61.13
It is sad to lose my respect for you, especially in this manner.
Someday I hope you are afforded the opportunity to work with many
people from different cultures in many parts of the world, especially
those whose very life is threatened by the insecurity of email
communication yet are in a
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else,
on 21-Okt-2005 at 15:45 you (Michael Schneider) wrote:
That's the idea we are talking about.
At least that's what I want.
If thats the case, don't sign the wish for a whitelist. :) The only way an
address based whitelist can be made secure is by the
Hello Hendrik Oesterlin everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 23:22 you (Hendrik Oesterlin) wrote:
The one who needs remote images displayed can just click on the html
attachement and the images are loaded by an application specialised in
managing this.
For the n-th time: NO! You can view an
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else,
on 21-Okt-2005 at 17:21 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote:
It is sad to lose my respect for you, especially in this manner.
Dito.
Someday I hope you are afforded the opportunity to work with many
people from different cultures in many parts of the world,
Hello Leif Gregory everyone else,
on 21-Okt-2005 at 16:43 you (Leif Gregory) wrote:
There wasn't proof of security. The weak link was my server and if it
would serve up automatic downloads that were not roguemoticons or
smileys.
Any PGP key server could be compromised to download malware
Hello Alexander,
Friday, October 21, 2005, 10:12:30 AM, you wrote:
Dito.
Again, this thread has already been deadhorsed. Take it offline or to
TBOT where a thread has already started under the same subject line.
moderator
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
If thats the case, don't sign the wish for a whitelist. :)
Ah, that's splittings hairs :-D
Any possibility to view remote images if I want to would be a step
forward. Clicking on a button for each message or draging the
Hello Leif Gregory everyone else,
on 21-Okt-2005 at 18:27 you (Leif Gregory) wrote:
Dito.
Again, this thread has already been deadhorsed. Take it offline or to
TBOT where a thread has already started under the same subject line.
Please allow a little grace period between modding and
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!!
Someday, and that was in Friday evening, Alexander wrote something
like this:
Author: Konrad Szkudlarczyk
Anyone cares to explain what these filters really do? I don't speak
regex. :)
I think that you speak German so try to read this:
Alexander S. Kunz wrote on 22/10/2005 at 03:08:40 +1100
subject Offsite Images :
Hello Hendrik Oesterlin everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 23:22 you (Hendrik Oesterlin) wrote:
The one who needs remote images displayed can just click on the html
attachement and the images are loaded
Hello Steven,
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:49:35 -0400 GMT (06/10/2005, 20:49 +0700 GMT),
Steven P Valliere wrote:
SPV I noticed that Thunderbird has a ice feature that I
SPV cannot (but would like to) find in TB: When an HTML
SPV email is displayed that contains graphics from EXTERNAL
SPV locations
Please support it.
Done
--
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Using The Bat! v3.61.13 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600
Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.4, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2,
SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a.
In a democracy your vote counts. In feudalism your Count votes.
pgpact9QzuwGq.pgp
Hi Thomas,
On Thursday, October 20, 2005, 3:00:15 PM:
It's a long-standing wish to have the option of downloading pictures
(default would be off): http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1780
Oh ... there were many heated debates on German boards and mailing-lists
about this topic. And I got
. I write an
email using some well-known email address as sender. Using offsite
images, I put a just-for-you link to a picture. You check the offsite
image. Bam. I know that your email is alive. And I start to flood
you...
If someone want to die, he/she can click on the HTML and open
Hi Vili,
On Thursday, October 20, 2005, 3:52:36 PM:
Just to give you a hint: Let's say I am a smart spammer. I write an
email using some well-known email address as sender. Using offsite
images, I put a just-for-you link to a picture. You check the offsite
image. Bam. I know
and check
V every offsite picture. And they would blame TB! after that... You
V said, it is a safe client...
V For people, who needs to see offsite images: click on the HTML
V attach...
V Believe me: we at the list at least KNOW what we do. 99% of the users
V DONT... We have to keep this in mind
10/20/2005 10:13 AM
Hi Michael,
On 10/20/2005 Michael Schneider wrote:
MS There's no difference between opening the image via webbrowser and
MS opening the image within the eMail-Client.
There is a difference. A conscious effort must be made which provokes
thought.
--
Take Care,
Paul
The
Hi Paul,
Am Thursday, October 20, 2005, 4:15:16 PM, schriebst du:
There is a difference. A conscious effort must be made which provokes
thought.
As you surely have read, the suggestion is _not_ to activate image
downloading globally or as default but to let the user decide.
So you see. No
Hello Michael,
Just to give you a hint: Let's say I am a smart spammer. I write an
email using some well-known email address as sender. Using offsite
images, I put a just-for-you link to a picture. You check the offsite
image. Bam. I know that your email is alive. And I start
to turn on that offsite image
checker and check every offsite picture.
I really doubt that. How many people sitting around you now are
running Windows with all the default options on?
For people, who needs to see offsite images: click on the HTML
attach...
WTF is the difference between this and having
So, the same apply for TB! opening spammer images.
In the name of the gods ...
--
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Using The Bat! v3.61.13 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600
Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.4, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2,
SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a.
It's been a rough day. I got
There is a difference. A conscious effort must be made which provokes
thought.
And I /regularly and often/ have to make a conscious effort not to
swear aloud that the mail software that refuses to let /me/ work the
way that I want to.
--
Stuart Hemming
Using The Bat! v3.61.13 Echo (Beta) on
10/20/2005 10:46 AM
Hi Michael,
On 10/20/2005 Michael Schneider wrote:
MS As you surely have read, the suggestion is _not_ to activate image
MS downloading globally or as default but to let the user decide.
Too many users do not understand the ramifications of their choices
and opt for the
10/20/2005 10:54 AM
Hi Stuart,
On 10/20/2005 Stuart Hemming wrote:
There is a difference. A conscious effort must be made which provokes
thought.
SH And I /regularly and often/ have to make a conscious effort not to
SH swear aloud that the mail software that refuses to let /me/ work the
SH
Hi Paul,
Am Thursday, October 20, 2005, 4:52:55 PM, schriebst du:
Too many users do not understand the ramifications of their choices
and opt for the eye-candy because it make them feel good until it
causes a problem. Then they call me to bail them out. I have never had
to bail a TB user!!
- use another client if you want something like that
or
- get lost
Well, if RL don't mind loosing paying customers, I might just do that.
It looks like the hard-core does not want the option and all the others
can do whatever they like, but won't get what they like in The Bat! For me
the
Hello Stuart,
First thing would be for 99% of them to turn on that offsite image
checker and check every offsite picture.
I really doubt that. How many people sitting around you now are
running Windows with all the default options on?
None... These guys are IQ 150 and above. I am talking IG
Hello Paul,
If you want this, there are many places for you to go get it. Please do
not tamper with one of the significant positives of the TB for the
sake of convenience or pleasure.
Well said.
Stuart: believe us, we understand you. But believe it or not, this
small inconvenience for
Hi Vili,
On Thursday, October 20, 2005, 5:33:21 PM:
If you want this, there are many places for you to go get it. Please do
not tamper with one of the significant positives of the TB for the
sake of convenience or pleasure.
Well said.
If it's well said to tell customers to grab their money
Hello Michael,
If you want this, there are many places for you to go get it. Please do
not tamper with one of the significant positives of the TB for the
sake of convenience or pleasure.
It's always a pleasure to see that there are some people thinking, they
can decide how I have to handle
Hi Vili,
Am Thursday, October 20, 2005, 5:37:32 PM, schreibst du:
Same applies for TB!. Just please believe me: 90% of the users are
DUMB for computers like hell... They are not dumb in life. But PC does
not fill their life, as fills people's at this list, they are kind
people, etc.
Hello Vili everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 16:28 you (Vili) wrote:
I dont argue with this statement. All I am saying is, that blaming IE
or blaming TB! DOES make a difference...
What if I open the message with Opera? Seeking who's to blame on the
program side is wrong. The problem is
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 16:15 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote:
MS There's no difference between opening the image via webbrowser and
MS opening the image within the eMail-Client.
There is a difference. A conscious effort must be made which provokes
thought.
Like
10/20/2005 11:53 AM
Hi Alexander,
On 10/20/2005 Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
ASK Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else,
ASK on 20-Okt-2005 at 16:15 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote:
MS There's no difference between opening the image via webbrowser and
MS opening the image within the eMail-Client.
10/20/2005 11:55 AM
Hi Alexander,
On 10/20/2005 Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
ASK Hello Vili everyone else,
ASK on 20-Okt-2005 at 16:28 you (Vili) wrote:
I dont argue with this statement. All I am saying is, that blaming IE
or blaming TB! DOES make a difference...
ASK What if I open the
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 17:49 you (Michael Schneider) wrote:
Sorry, but that's nonsense. We are talking about an experienced
eMail-Client for experienced users.
I am not so sure about that. A lot of newbie question are posted on TBUDL.
If you think your
Hi Alexander,
Am Thursday, October 20, 2005, 6:00:01 PM, schriebst du:
I am not so sure about that. A lot of newbie question are posted on TBUDL.
If you think your grandma can't handle TB, it will be like that. If you
just go and tell her use this, it'll probably work.
Well if a normal user
Hello Michael,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 9:37:19 AM, you wrote:
If it's well said to tell customers to grab their money and take
it away to other companies... just because /you/ think in other ways
and argue with anchorless arguments?
Don't know if this is the right way for Ritlabs.
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 17:57 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote:
ASK The REAL problem is that if a legitimate message contains both
ASK embedded and remote images, you can't view the message correctly
ASK EITHER WAY. I can see the local images in TB, I can see the remote
Hello Michael,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 9:49:40 AM, you wrote:
John Doe Users don't even know that TheBat! exists! TheBat! is an
email-client for experienced users who search for it and buy a
licence being conscious about its functions and features.
That would be a very incorrect
Hello Vili,
A reminder of what Vili on TBBETA typed on:
Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 09:52:36 GMT -0400
Using offsite
images, I put a just-for-you link to a picture. You check the offsite
image. Bam. I know that your email is alive. And I start to flood
you...
He's talking
Hi Leif,
Am Thursday, October 20, 2005, 6:10:02 PM, schriebst du:
That would be a very incorrect statement. Mary Bull... Front and
center please. Mary came to TB with very little knowledge of how
e-mail and the internet worked. Mary isn't the only one. There are
quite a few (see TBUDL). And
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else,
on 20-Okt-2005 at 17:55 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote:
ASK Like clicking on a Show remote images button, and clicking on Yes
ASK when the Are you really sure security warning pops up.
I have seen way too many people never read a warning and just click for
Hi Leif,
thunderbird has to be most insecure eMail-Client on the world if someone
is reading your message.
Michael
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Hello Paul,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 9:55:45 AM, you wrote:
I have seen way too many people never read a warning and just click
for what they want. You have to experience it to believe it. They do
pay more attention if another application opens.
Yeah, five years as a network administrator
On Thursday, October 20, 2005, 11:12:06 AM, Tony Boom wrote:
He's talking about attached images, not links to images. For example if
I send you a photo of my new born salt water alligator the image should
appear in line about here
Hello Stuart,
A reminder of what Stuart Hemming on TBBETA typed on:
Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 15:47:27 GMT +0100
I don't give a money's, if I want to turn it on, I should be allowed
to.
Forgive me for correcting you but it's Monkeys. As in I don't give a
monkeys Uncle but then I
You missed the obvious, go elsewhere...quickly!
But I've paid for this. I want it to work sensibly.
--
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Using The Bat! v3.61.13 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600
Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.4, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2,
SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a.
Never lick
Please do not tamper with one of the significant positives of the TB
for the sake of convenience or pleasure.
FFS, it's a tool! It is /supposed/ to be convenient!
--
Stuart Hemming
Using The Bat! v3.61.13 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600
Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.4, MyGate
Hello Michael,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 10:13:39 AM, you wrote:
Go to a John Doe userboard on the internet and ask them about the
eMail-Clients they know. If 5% answer TheBat! it would be great.
So let's say we've got even less... How about .05% of the internet
population (900 million or
Hello Michael,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 10:06:07 AM, you wrote:
Well if a normal user got to TheBat! from someone who is used to
it and got it installed and configured by this person, it's up to
this person to assure the client is working securely. IMHO
So by promoting a secure client to
Hello Michael,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 10:14:05 AM, you wrote:
thunderbird has to be most insecure eMail-Client on the world if
someone is reading your message.
Ummm, because it was plain-text, because I didn't href any images,
because Thunderbird performs the most basic functionality of
Hello Dwight,
A reminder of what Dwight A Corrin on TBBETA typed on:
Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 11:29:44 GMT -0500
don't know due to what settings, but images show up here as a separate
tab. just click on the tab, and there is the image.
Exactly the opposite of what I'd like to happen.
Hi Leif,
Am Thursday, October 20, 2005, 6:43:39 PM, schriebst du:
thunderbird has to be most insecure eMail-Client on the world if
someone is reading your message.
Ummm, because it was plain-text, because I didn't href any images,
because Thunderbird performs the most basic functionality of
Hello Leif!
On Thursday, October 20, 2005, 11:10 AM, you wrote:
John Doe Users don't even know that TheBat! exists! TheBat! is an
email-client for experienced users who search for it and buy a
licence being conscious about its functions and features.
This wasn't true for me. I was pointed to
Hi Leif,
it's nice that you want to teach me. Really. But I don't need new
teachers or preachers for the one and only religion.
There are more than enough evangelists out there. There are more than
enough wars out there about what OS is the best or about which office
suite. I don't need another
Hello Michael,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 10:58:34 AM, you wrote:
No, because it displays remote images if I want it.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#Thunderbird
Specifically...
http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/mfsa2005-11.html
You must have
Hi Leif,
On October 20, 2005, 7:21:56 PM:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#Thunderbird
These are bugs. Bugs can always happen. And these are *fixed* bugs.
As I told in my other mail, if you want to hunt all *possible* security
holes down, you have to shut
Hello Michael,
If you want this, there are many places for you to go get it. Please do
not tamper with one of the significant positives of the TB for the
sake of convenience or pleasure.
Well said.
If it's well said to tell customers to grab their money and take it
away to other
Hello Michael,
Sorry, but that's nonsense. We are talking about an experienced
eMail-Client for experienced users.
No. I sold it to even pharma companies where they have users who does
not read, does not think, just click...
--
Vili
Michael Schneider wrote:
because Thunderbird performs the most basic functionality of an e-mail
client which is to display my plaintext e-mail per RFC-822
No, because it displays remote images if I want it.
Yes, and my car can go up on the sidewalk if I want it. Not the cars
fault,
Hi Mike,
On Thursday, October 20, 2005, 7:49:01 PM:
Yes, and my car can go up on the sidewalk if I want it. Not the cars
fault, just the loose nut behind the wheel.
Allowing images to be viewed in TheBat! makes TB! no less secure. Again,
it is the loose nut behind the keyboard.
That's the
Hello Tony,
don't know due to what settings, but images show up here as a separate
tab. just click on the tab, and there is the image.
Exactly the opposite of what I'd like to happen. My Brother often sends me
photo's with little comments and descriptions under each one. The whole
context is
Hello Tony,
Using offsite
images, I put a just-for-you link to a picture. You check the offsite
image. Bam. I know that your email is alive. And I start to flood
you...
He's talking about attached images, not links to images. For example if
I send you a photo of my new born salt
Hello Tony,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 9:45:00 AM, you wrote:
Exactly the opposite of what I'd like to happen. My Brother often
sends me photo's with little comments and descriptions under each
one.
What am I missing...I get e-mails like this also and they work fine.
I get a message with
10/20/2005 2:05 PM
Hi Tony,
On 10/20/2005 Tony Boom wrote:
TB My Brother often sends me
TB photo's with little comments and descriptions under each one. The whole
TB context is completely lost when one has to keep switching tabs and trying to
TB relate each comment to tab1. tab3 or tab4 etc.
10/20/2005 2:02 PM
Hi Stuart,
On 10/20/2005 Stuart Hemming wrote:
Please do not tamper with one of the significant positives of the TB
for the sake of convenience or pleasure.
SH FFS, it's a tool! It is /supposed/ to be convenient!
At what price
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Paul
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10/20/2005 1:59 PM
Hi Stuart,
On 10/20/2005 Stuart Hemming wrote:
You missed the obvious, go elsewhere...quickly!
SH But I've paid for this. I want it to work sensibly.
Remaining alert and diligently testing features during the free trial
period is a great attribute. It was sold as the
Hello Michael,
Thursday, October 20, 2005, 11:13:25 AM, you wrote:
And if there are 2250 people who can not decide which eMail they can
trust - it's neither my fault nor my problem. You would have to turn
the whole Internet off to save them from themselves. Even if you
code them an
Hi Paul,
On October 20, 2005, 8:01:48 PM:
It was sold as the Secure E-mail Client. That says something to me.
It says it's secure because nothing else than pop3-fetch and smtp-send
works.
*SCNR* ;-)))
Michael
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Hello Vili,
A reminder of what Vili on TBBETA typed on:
Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 14:04:11 GMT -0400
Or what we are talking about now??
I don't bloody know. Started off with in line images then remote images now
html. I think I'll go back to celluloid, paper, chemicals and red
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