Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
Hello, Tony Hoare said at 2011-07-26 13:10:54 GMT: I get very many of these exceptions. The Courier IMAP server log shows: imapd-ssl: Unexpected SSL connection shutdown. i have these problem with broken connections on my Courier IMAP, too! Four up to ten times a day. -- Kind regards GwenDragon Webmistress Using The Bat! 5.0.26.10 (ALPHA) under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Website: http://gwendragon.de/ E-Mail: g...@gwendragon.de E-Mail mit GnuPG signiert/Signed with GnuPG GnuPG-Signatur DSA/1024 Key-ID: 0x6E56AC7D4492AD16 Fingerprint: 0BC8 DDF7 E381 190B AF7D A327 6E56 AC7D 4492 AD16 pgp6IvxTQ6u0q.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
Hello GwenDragon, i have these problem with broken connections on my Courier IMAP, too! Four up to ten times a day. I still get dozens per day plus a load of others. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.26.9 (ALPHA) Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
Hello mse, Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 2:29:19 PM, you wrote: Hello Tony, TH Anyone else getting these? Yes, for quite a time now. I have a standing connection to an IMAP-Server (fastmail.fm).Everytime I send the computer into standby the connection is lost; of course... When I power up again, The Bat gives a message in thebat_exceptions (and sometimes in ex_log) about that. I get these often and for no apparent reason. My PC does not go to standby. Both TB and Courier both see an unexpected connection. UPDATE I have a Wireshark trace on this and it appears that the server sends a TLS Encrypted Alert 21 which would appear to be 'Decryption Failed'. I have the trace if it will help. It's huge though. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.18.12 (BETA) Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 8:01:02 PM, you wrote: Hello Tony, I also had similar problems before, they happen when the connection is in IDLE for very long time, then somehow the connection is dropped. The message that the connection is closed seem to come from the TCP/IP socket. Most likely the operation system at client's or server's side or a router with stateful packet inspection drops a connection. Try using an option when online, refresh folder every 30 seconds, so probably the connection won't be without data for longer than 30 seconds again. I have a Wireshark trace on this and it appears that the server sends a TLS Encrypted Alert 21 which would appear to be 'Decryption Failed'. I have the trace if it will help. It's 162Mb and I didn't know how to split it for just the conversation I needed. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.18.12 (BETA) Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
I have a Wireshark trace on this and it appears that the server sends a TLS Encrypted Alert 21 which would appear to be 'Decryption Failed'. I am now pretty convinced that it is a TLS error because I've now connected using the standard IMAP port and have not had this problem for over 45 minutes where as I usually get it within 10 minutes using TLS. Does anyone else get random disconnect exceptions when using TLS/SSL? -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.20.1 Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
Hello Tony, Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 5:07:48 PM, you wrote: I have a Wireshark trace on this and it appears that the server sends a TLS Encrypted Alert 21 which would appear to be 'Decryption Failed'. I am now pretty convinced that it is a TLS error because I've now connected using the standard IMAP port and have not had this problem for over 45 minutes where as I usually get it within 10 minutes using TLS. Does anyone else get random disconnect exceptions when using TLS/SSL? I spoke too soon. I've just had the exception. Could I request that the log also includes some indicated as to which connection has closed? I use about 10 IMAP accounts mostly with SSL but my main account without and I want to be sure whether it is a TLS connection that has the problem. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.20.1 Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 Blank Message list entries
Title: Re: 5.0.18.12 Blank Message list entries Hi Rick, Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 1:45:38 AM, Rick wrote: This first appeared in this beta The message pane entry is BLANK, but the message is there and the header information panel is populated correctly Please see attached png Confirmations anyone? I can kind of confirm this. I have seen empty emails. The entry in the message pane is blank and so is the message itself. Regards. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto:smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 Blank Message list entries
This first appeared in this beta The message pane entry is BLANK, but the message is there and the header information panel is populated correctly Confirmations anyone? I can kind of confirm that; clicking on a folder in which is new mail, often TB spontaneously compact the folder and deletes old messages first, then the new messages are shown in the folder pane correctly but the messagefield itself is empty. After clicking on some other folder and then going back to the previous one, the message texts are visible. I regret it very much to have updated from the 4 to the 5 version. Because I did not get any answer on the problems, I'll downgrade today. ...sigh. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 5.0.18.6 (BETA) under Windows 7 64 bit POP3 only. Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
Hello All, I get very many of these exceptions. The Courier IMAP server log shows: imapd-ssl: Unexpected SSL connection shutdown. Date: 26 Jul 2011 09:38:38 OS: Windows XP Service Pack 3 build 2600 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1031/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1889/2047 MB Address: 00A2329A ClassName: EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError Message: Connection unexpectedly closed IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20110723204146 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00A2329A [0040] 00A23295 [0040] 0045A01E [0040] 00469177 [0040] 00406B28 [0040] 00406A2C [0040] 00404C5E [0040] 00403044 [0040] 00404BA8 [0040] 00404F9E [0040] 00A22899 [0040] 00404BF0 [0040] 00A266EA [0040] 00473EEE [0040] 00405ADC [0040] Anyone else getting these? -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.18.12 (BETA) Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
Hello Tony, TH Anyone else getting these? Yes, for quite a time now. I have a standing connection to an IMAP-Server (fastmail.fm).Everytime I send the computer into standby the connection is lost; of course... When I power up again, The Bat gives a message in thebat_exceptions (and sometimes in ex_log) about that. Here is an example from thebat_exceptions: Date: 20 Jul 2011 15:30:37 OS: Windows 7 Service Pack 1 build 7601 PhysMemFreeTotal: 714/1534 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1770/2047 MB Address: 00A28F7E ClassName: EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError Message: Connection unexpectedly closed IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20110720032956 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00A28F7E [0040] 00A28F79 [0040] 00404FC1 [0040] 00406B28 [0040] 00406A2C [0040] 00404C5E [0040] 00403044 [0040] 00404BA8 [0040] 00404F9E [0040] 00A27085 [0040] 00A2C391 [0040] 00473D6E [0040] 00405ADC [0040] And here is the corresponding line from ex_log: v5.0.18.8 (BETA) SELEYA/w7user 20.07.2011 15:30:37.400 IMAP_Cmp:7 EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError Connection unexpectedly closed Best regards, mse -- Using The Bat! v5.0.20 with German language file [4.2.x_de – Rev. 2010-02-01] Operating system: Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 - EImapUnexpectedSocketClosedNoError
Hello Tony, I also had similar problems before, they happen when the connection is in IDLE for very long time, then somehow the connection is dropped. The message that the connection is closed seem to come from the TCP/IP socket. Most likely the operation system at client's or server's side or a router with stateful packet inspection drops a connection. Try using an option when online, refresh folder every 30 seconds, so probably the connection won't be without data for longer than 30 seconds again. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
[+] (#0008351) When The Bat! completes all IMAP tasks, it selects INBOX and idles in this folder, to be able to receive notifications about new messages before refreshing all the folders This should IDLE on the mailbox which is currently selected. Because mail can arrive on ANY mailbox if server side filtering is configured for example. I think this should be configurable. Most people running IMAP don't have server side filters running, so a global sync at startup and then monitor INBOX is what they need. A few power users (a) have access to setup server side filtering and (b) have the knowledge to do it. For these people having the option to IDLE in the currently selected folder. What do you think? Perhaps the option should also apply to multiple connections such that one connection IDLEs in the INBOX and the other connections IDLE in the most recently used mailboxes. I definitely like to see IDLE'ing in the INBOX (as I use TB filters rather than server-side filters). -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.18.9 (BETA) Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Hi Maxim, the 'hint display mode' settings are still broken. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8822 -- Best wishes Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Sveiki, Saturday, July 23, 2011, 11:42:20 PM, you wrote: [+] (#0008351) When The Bat! completes all IMAP tasks, it selects INBOX and idles in this folder, to be able to receive notifications about new messages before refreshing all the folders This should IDLE on the mailbox which is currently selected. Because mail can arrive on ANY mailbox if server side filtering is configured for example. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 Threads no longer sorting
Hello Rick, R I just received a reply to a message from earlier in the day. R Before this version the thread would sort to the bottom of todays R emails (according to my settings) Now the reply does not cause it to sort R I am sorting by received date R Any confirmations? Works fine here. I use sorting in a view mode. New Thread sorting as well sorting within columns works as expected. Best regards, mse -- Using The Bat! v5.0.18.12 (BETA) with German language file [4.2.x_de – Rev. 2010-02-01] Operating system: Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Sveiki, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 2:12:41 PM, you wrote: Hi Vilius Sunday, July 24, 2011, 9:27:21 AM, Tbbeta wrote: Sveiki, Saturday, July 23, 2011, 11:42:20 PM, you wrote: [+] (#0008351) When The Bat! completes all IMAP tasks, it selects INBOX and idles in this folder, to be able to receive notifications about new messages before refreshing all the folders This should IDLE on the mailbox which is currently selected. Because mail can arrive on ANY mailbox if server side filtering is configured for example. I think this should be configurable. Most people running IMAP don't have server side filters running, so a global sync at startup and then monitor INBOX is what they need. A few power users (a) have access to setup server side filtering and (b) have the knowledge to do it. For these people having the option to IDLE in the currently selected folder. What do you think? Yes it could be configurable. However it should default to current mailbox. It's not like only few power users have server side filtering. Most business users have it, especially if they use Exchange. Major filtering rules are usually set up by server administrator globally (e.g. [SPAM] filtering into Spam folder). Also on IMAP users can have access to other users' mailboxes where mail arrives too. In addition, using IDLE command on currently selected mailbox is consisten behaviour with other email clients. And there is a good reason why, in IMAP phylosophy INBOX is just another mailbox, it really makes no sense to assume that mail will arrive there. Even the name for it is configurable and it can be named whatever you want. With the rise of Gmail IMAP, most people assume that IMAP is just another email protocol. But it is really completely new point of view to how email works. It is good of course that Google is pushing it to mainstream, however I hope that some day it will be much more than just pop3 on streroids. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Hello Vilius, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 3:27:21 AM, you wrote: This should IDLE on the mailbox which is currently selected. Because mail can arrive on ANY mailbox if server side filtering is configured for example. It is hard if not impossible to determine which maibox is currently selected, since multiple windows can be opened, etc. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Hello Vilius, I can currently recommend setting low refresh rate (in the IMAP Fine Tune section of the account properties) for the users who need to see new messages as they occur. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Sveiki, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 9:35:34 PM, you wrote: Hello Vilius, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 3:27:21 AM, you wrote: This should IDLE on the mailbox which is currently selected. Because mail can arrive on ANY mailbox if server side filtering is configured for example. It is hard if not impossible to determine which maibox is currently selected, since multiple windows can be opened, etc. Multiple windows of the Folder? Or multiple windows of a whole The Bat! application? Maybe I'm missing something but currently selected folder is always marked with different background in the folder list. No? -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Hello Vilius, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 1:48:50 PM, you wrote: Multiple windows of the Folder? Different folders can be viewed in different windows. Or multiple windows of a whole The Bat! application? Design of The Bat! have no objections from opening multiple main windows under the same process thebat.exe, but we didn't make this possibility available to the user. And why do you think that IMAP should SELECT the folder which the user is viewing? A user may be working in one folder but expect messages to come in another folder? Anyway, if a user is working with a folder, there is high chance that The Bat! needs to update something via IMAP on that folder, or read something that has not been read to the local cache, so with high probability this current folder will be SELECTed anyway. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Hello Vilius, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 8:34:18 AM, you wrote: However it should default to current mailbox. Other IMAP applications even do not display which folder is currently SELECTed on IMAP, and the users are happy! The evelness of knowledge ;-) -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Sveiki, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 9:54:57 PM, you wrote: Hello Vilius, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 1:48:50 PM, you wrote: Multiple windows of the Folder? Different folders can be viewed in different windows. How? I never knew about this feature. Or multiple windows of a whole The Bat! application? Design of The Bat! have no objections from opening multiple main windows under the same process thebat.exe, but we didn't make this possibility available to the user. And why do you think that IMAP should SELECT the folder which the user is viewing? A user may be working in one folder but expect messages to come in Because it is consistent predictable behaviour from the user point of view. another folder? Anyway, if a user is working with a folder, there is high chance that The Bat! needs to update something via IMAP on that folder, or read something that has not been read to the local cache, so with high probability this current folder will be SELECTed anyway. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
On Sunday, July 24, 2011, 6:12:41 AM, Simon Martin wrote: I think this should be configurable. Most people running IMAP don't have server side filters running, so a global sync at startup and then monitor INBOX is what they need. A few power users (a) have access to setup server side filtering and (b) have the knowledge to do it. For these people having the option to IDLE in the currently selected folder. What do you think? What makes you think most people running IMAP don't use server side filters running. I can't imagine why anyone would NOT have it running. If the notion that a) it's unusual to have access to set up server side filtering I'd be surprised. The notion that it somehow requires power users to figure out how to use it seems far fetched. Server side filtering at fastmail is much less complicated than using theBat's filters. That's what I think. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.18.12 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Hi Maxim, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 12:56:33 PM, you wrote: MM Hello Vilius, MM Sunday, July 24, 2011, 8:34:18 AM, you wrote: However it should default to current mailbox. MM Other IMAP applications even do not display which folder is currently MM SELECTed on IMAP, and the users are happy! The evelness of knowledge ;-) Yes, even if you offer extra features, there will be some who are never satisfied. That is unfortunately true in some ways in our U.S. culture in general. There is a fine line between 1) using technology to be helpful to human well-being - and 2) technology becoming an addiction for its own sake, like alcohol, drugs or tobacco. The good news - developing compassionate relationships with all people (from the saints to the criminals) can never be a loss but only a gain. We still need jails for some people, of course, but they are still worthy of compassion, just like our best friends. -- Take Care, Bob Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Bob, Hi Maxim, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 12:56:33 PM, you wrote: MM Hello Vilius, MM Sunday, July 24, 2011, 8:34:18 AM, you wrote: However it should default to current mailbox. MM Other IMAP applications even do not display which folder is currently MM SELECTed on IMAP, and the users are happy! The evelness of knowledge ;-) Yes, even if you offer extra features, there will be some who are Warning: Americentric thinking ahead. The world does not share Our US culture in general. Rumor has it that people in other parts of the world have their own ideas. On the other hand, there are some characteristics that humanity does share in general. Note, it is not valid to refer to them as US characteristics. never satisfied. That is unfortunately true in some ways in our U.S. culture in general. There is a fine line between 1) using technology to be helpful to human well-being - and 2) technology becoming an addiction for its own sake, like alcohol, drugs or tobacco. The good news - developing compassionate relationships with all people (from the saints to the criminals) can never be a loss but only a gain. We still need jails for some people, of course, but they are still worthy of compassion, just like our best friends. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Hi Maxim, Saturday, July 23, 2011, 2:42:20 PM, you wrote: MM The Bat! 5.0.18.12 (BETA) is available at MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb501812.rar MM What's new in 5.0.18.12 since 5.0.18.11: MM [-] When The Bat! was unregistered, there were a question mark in MM the About box in a place where in the registered version the key validity information was given MM [!] When The Bat! trial expires completely, it no longer exits MM but simply disables connections (e.g. to send and receive mail). MM The user is still able to read, print or export messages, address book items or other data MM [-] On IMAP, when multiple connections were allowed, each MM subsequent connection is created not earlier than one second since MM last connection, to avoid overload, especially when multiple MM connections are configured and they are failing and creating over and over again MM [+] The Bat! now have a limit of number of TCP/IP connections MM created per second, to prevent extra connections created MM simultaneously from being dropped by Windows (if configured so) or MM by a router. By default, this value is 10 and can be changed in MM Windows Registry, key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!, value MaxConnectionsPerSecond. MM [-] Status and priority wasn't displayed in the Connection Center for certain IMAP tasks MM [+] (#0008351) When The Bat! completes all IMAP tasks, it selects MM INBOX and idles in this folder, to be able to receive MM notifications about new messages before refreshing all the folders MM [-] Fixed glitches of the background of text in the Connection Center Up and running fine. I have NOT however, verified all of the above fixes. As always, I am so impressed with the RitLabs team! I hope that you all leave room in your lives for friends, family and solitude/silence/meditation! -- Take Care, Bob -- I am here to only be of help. I am here to represent the One who sent us. Someday, we'll all realize that this is true for every last one of us. Using The Bat! 5.0.18.12 (BETA) Windows 7 6.1 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 Threads no longer sorting
I just received a reply to a message from earlier in the day. Before this version the thread would sort to the bottom of todays emails (according to my settings) Now the reply does not cause it to sort I am sorting by received date Any confirmations? And then another reply came in and the thread sorted correctly. Go figure. SOmething to watch -- Rick Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest. - Alexandre Dumas v5.0.18.12 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12 Threads no longer sorting
Hello Rick, Saturday, July 23, 2011, 6:53:09 PM, you wrote: R I am sorting by received date R Any confirmations? Working fine here. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangroup@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v5.0.18.12 (BETA) on Windows XP6 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
