Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Vili, Saturday, October 1, 2005, 10:33:24 PM, you wrote: How the heck a small, one-product software company can go bankrupt? No sales? Cyrus is doubtful, too whether he'll be able to release the code as open source either. To my mind, the best features of TB and Mulberry rolled together would be an awesome combination. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.01 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 10/1/2005 at 10:17:23 PM [GMT -0500], Rmorris.R wrote: I've been running v3.61.09 beta all day without interruption. Things have been quite fine. No hiccups at all really. The main good point is that I haven't had to restart because the connection has flaked out on me. Have not had any problems with this build at all. BTW=Mulberry http://www.cyrusoft.com/ is dead. Yes. The news of Mulberry's demise is well known. I've been using TB! exclusively for quite some time now so I've been unaffected. However, it's a terrible thing to happen for IMAP. It's a great IMAP client. It's now running a full 24 hours uninterrupted and IMAP remains well behaved. mem usage 24 MB Peak mem usage 28MB VM usage 35MB -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...You're trying to pull a clinton, aren't you? pgpR3MlpjpXGp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 10/2/2005 at 7:30:10 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Cuddy wrote: Are you referring here to TB! or Mulberry? TB! of course. :) -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...The best way to win an argument is to be right. pgpCiwHjYHyWc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On Sunday, October 2, 2005, 8:45:02 AM, Stuart Cuddy wrote: 3) The counts that show are odd and inconsistent. Sometimes the count will get marked as read after reading the last message and then get marked as unread and it takes a while to disappear. Sometimes counts seem to update for no reason and add different numbers that flash on the screen and then change back again. this behavior is indeed annoying, but not a deal breaker. I haven't been using any filters locally since going IMAP so can't comment there. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 10/2/2005 at 8:45:02 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Cuddy wrote: The problems I still have with IMAP are: 1) Filtering still only works on the first level. In other words if I have a filter that sets the color for TB beta as red and then sets it to green if it is to or from me it will temporarily set it to green and then set it back to red. This problem is easily avoided by avoiding a double action as you do. For instance, for TBBETA: Filter one - Header contains 'reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' AND Header does not match 'in-reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' This prevents filtering of messages that are replies to yours so that they may be filtered by the next filter which does a match like: Filter two - Header contains 'reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' AND Header match 'in-reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' This will avoid the colour group being set by one filter and then reset by another. Only one colour group setting will be applied and it sticks. :) I wouldn't even class it as a work around since you still use two filters. Work arounds usually imply an approach that isn't smooth and even inconvenient. This is the same set and forget. I didn't even try it your way since I didn't see the point in having the filters setting colour groups back and forth if I could avoid it. I agree that the problem you have is based on buggy behaviour, but it's easily circumvented and hence a minor problem. RIT may also view it as such and hence may not fix it right away. 2) Every now and then when I select a message in an IMAP folder everything freezes and you can't do anything until it unfreezes. I have tried to select the CC to see what is happening, but it will not restore either. I guess I need to have the CC always on top to see what is happening. I haven't experienced this. 3) The counts that show are odd and inconsistent. Sometimes the count will get marked as read after reading the last message and then get marked as unread and it takes a while to disappear. Sometimes counts seem to update for no reason and add different numbers that flash on the screen and then change back again. I confirm this, but for me this is only cosmetic and considering from where I came with TB! IMAP, I don't mind it as such. Otherwise it does seem to be much more stable. One other thing, I did try to use the non-local outbox for a while. It seemed to be working OK, but when I went to send some big attachments, 5 meg plus, everything really slowed down, with no progress shown etc. I assume the files are uploaded to the IMAP server and then sent to the recipient. This seems like a real waste of resources and is very slow. Yes. A draft folder is better. Mulberry and other IMAP clients do not use a server side outbox. Messages queued for sending are stored locally. Saving as a draft is a separate command with a special server side folder designated for this. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...Nothing is impossible for anyone impervious to reason pgpasIK8hicu2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 10/2/2005 at 10:01:27 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Cuddy wrote: OK, but this is where the strangeness begins. I had already set it up the way you suggest. For some reason the messages after being set to my color and then get reset to tbbeta color afterwards even though there is no filter that should do that. Hmmm. I don't colour label my other TB! messsages. I don't know if the fact that you have all the other messages colour labelled may be creating a problem. I don't know. However, your experiment with switching the filters around should be interesting. Make sure that you have 'continue processing with other filters' disabled. That definitively removes the possibility of other filters acting on the message. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...You have to be sharp to be on the cutting edge. pgp6slONyI59A.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
I've tried this version, but this is the one with the IMAP login problem (mentioned numerous times on this mailing list.), and thus it is unusable I don't have any problems at all with this version - and I'm collecting from two different IMAP servers, too. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.01 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Curtis, Monday, September 26, 2005, 1:47:54 PM, you wrote: I don't really note any difference in IMAP of recently. Things continue to work the same. Like you, I'm using FastMail as my main email service. It's not my imagination but the latest betas have been all but unusable collecting mail reliably whereas the version I'm using now is infinitely more lively. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.01 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Kevin, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 8:55:32 PM, you wrote: I think I'm outta here. Mulberry is just so much more robust when it comes to IMAP handling. This was my feeling until I returned from holiday this morning to find that Cyrusoft and Mulberry have gone into receivership. No more Mulberry by the look of it. Details here: http://www.cyrusoft.com -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.01 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hi Vili, On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:33:24 +0200 UTC (10/1/2005, 4:33 PM -0500 UTC my time), Vili wrote: V How the heck a small, one-product software company can go bankrupt? I V mean, isnt it possible to sell latest MB anymore to anybody? there is always more than meets the eye. They had several products, Silkymail being one of them. About six months ago, they were bought out by ISAMET which specialized in secure emergency type email for Homeland Security, etc... I suspect the problem really lies with ISAMET, but have no way of proving that... just in the timing of things leads me to this personal speculation on my part. BTW, worldwide, they have a huge market share in major universities, e.g. UK include Cambridge, Liverpool, York and Sussex, Univ. of Bristol, and, in the US; Harvard, Columbia, Carnegie Mellon and Vanderbilt, Univ of Michigan, UCLA, etc V No development, just selling last version... Virtually no cost it would V cause. they have always been in development, of late getting the newest version out of beta for Linux and UNIX. It runs on Windows, Mac, and and UNIX. Also very heavy development on the calendar end and focusing on RFCs for newest protocols, which they helped develop, to include CalDAV clients and servers, and modules for Sync4j SyncML server to allow CalDAV data. -- Gary Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 9/24/2005 at 2:55:32 PM [GMT -0500], Kevin Amazon wrote: BTW, IMAP IS NOT hard stuff. The RFC is clear and concise and that is the reason clients such as Thunderbird and Mulberry (and even Outlook) are pretty flawless at implementation. I've been running v3.61.09 beta all day without interruption. Things have been quite fine. No hiccups at all really. The main good point is that I haven't had to restart because the connection has flaked out on me. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...Push the limit, and the limit will move away! pgpv0pz5MZuPv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 2005-09-24 at 09:39:18 Clive Taylor wrote: It's a shame, really. There was just one version (3.60.1) which performed perfectly here under IMAP Hmm, I've tried this version, but this is the one with the IMAP login problem (mentioned numerous times on this mailing list.), and thus it is unusable... :( pgpeTNxmZlfFx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On Monday, September 26, 2005, at 05:31 AM, Dimitry Andric wrote: Hmm, I've tried this version, but this is the one with the IMAP login problem (mentioned numerous times on this mailing list.), and thus it is unusable... :( Using a FastMail account. Plain IMAP from work and IMAPs from home. I don't really note any difference in IMAP of recently. Things continue to work the same. Just bringing e-mail provider/servers into the picture and letting the people at RIT know that not all are experiencing the problems. Maybe that will help then in their quest for across the board, good IMAP performance. -- -= Curtis=- Using TB! v3.61.07 Echo (Beta) System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five. Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
I wrote: I also can confirm this problem. While TB! has always been slower updating than my other clients, it became much worse just a few betas ago. Unfortunately, following the advice to downgrade to 3.60.1 didn't help me. I should say, too, that like Curtis, I am using FastMail. I'm having the problem and he isn't I went to bed at 10:30 last night and left The Bat! running. When I checked my mail at 7:35 this morning, The Bat! showed 10 new messages in my inbox, with the latest showing a time of 2:19 AM. I started up Thunderbird, and in addition to these messages, I had 7 more, with Received times up to 7:21. I exited TB! and ran it again; now the messages are all there. This is typical behavior. -- Keith Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On Monday, September 26, 2005, at 08:56 AM, Keith Russell wrote: I went to bed at 10:30 last night and left The Bat! running. When I checked my mail at 7:35 this morning, The Bat! showed 10 new messages in my inbox, with the latest showing a time of 2:19 AM. I started up Thunderbird, and in addition to these messages, I had 7 more, with Received times up to 7:21. I exited TB! and ran it again; now the messages are all there. This is typical behavior. If this is what you're referring to, then I experience this a lot. Because of this, I tend to exit TB! whenever I'm finished with it for any extended period. I don't leave it running all the time since this only leads to problems with the connection and synching etc. The IMAP connection isn't not stable over long periods. With the policy of not leaving TB! running for long periods, I haven't had problems. No inordinate delays with loading messages etc. -- -= Curtis=- Using TB! v3.61.07 Echo (Beta) System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...Imagination is more important than knowledge - Einstein Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On Monday, September 26, 2005, at 07:58 AM, Stuart Cuddy wrote: I am also using Fastmail and also have a Smarter Mail account through Gearhost to compare. Ok I have been trying color filtering and it seems to be be very inconsistent. I've been labelling messages that are replies to mine. This has been occurring reliably. However, these are the only messages that are being filtered apart from an occasional other that is filtered after reaching my Inbox. Most of my filtering is done server side. The colour labelling is done on messages already filtered server side to particular folders. I don't know if you move the messages to particular folders and then label them, all with with TB!. I also have been experiencing the occasional freeze where I can do nothing with my computer until, I think, an IMAP command clears itself from the queue. I am also experiencing weird number count updates as described earlier. I'm seeing this more at work, than at home. I run mostly the same apps in both places, though both machines have different makeup with regard to hardware. I don't know if this is contributing. My work machine is a 2.4GHz P4 Celeron with a SiS chipset and 512MB of RAM, plus NVidia graphics. OTOH, my home system is a 3GHz P4 with 1GB of RAM, a pentium motherboard with ATI graphics. -- -= Curtis=- Using TB! v3.61.07 Echo (Beta) System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. pgpcHd8jiji62.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Stuart Cuddy wrote: GS On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:20:16 -0500 GMT(9/24/2005, 7:20 AM -0500 GMT), GS per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stuart Cuddy wrote: I think I will try to download 3.60.1 if it is still available, if not does anyone have it still? GS It is still at http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/. At least the last GS time I looked. Yes I am using it now. I already miss the color system and the new tabs. Amazing how quickly you become used to some things. So far no problems with IMAP, I also can confirm this problem. While TB! has always been slower updating than my other clients, it became much worse just a few betas ago. Unfortunately, following the advice to downgrade to 3.60.1 didn't help me. It appears as though one of the later betas may have made some kind of a configuration change that resulted in this behavior. Notice that I'm posting using Thunderbird. I have to be able to count on my mailbox being updated for me to keep up with my messages. It's really too bad, because for a while there, The Bat! IMAP was working well enough that I was pretty much back to using it full time. Are any of the developers following this thread? -- Keith Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Dwight, Friday, September 23, 2005, 3:57:59 PM, you wrote: I would agree with this assessment. It's a shame, really. There was just one version (3.60.1) which performed perfectly here under IMAP, all the others have been dogs for me! -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hi Dimitry Andric - On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, at 19:35:57 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:35 AM where I live) you wrote: On 2005-09-23 at 16:20:42 Clive Taylor wrote: Usually though, choosing Abort all tasks in Connection Centre kills these hanging/repeating tasks off, and then pressing Alt-F2 reconnects to the IMAP server(s) and goes further where it was stuck before. Btw, I know that IMAP is hard stuff, since the protocol quite honestly seems to suck. But why do ALL other IMAP clients (e.g. Thunderbird, Mulberry, and even Outlook!) have almost zero problems with at least the basic operations, such as retrieving mail, browsing folders, etc? Same problem here. Frozen IMAP connections. BTW, IMAP IS NOT hard stuff. The RFC is clear and concise and that is the reason clients such as Thunderbird and Mulberry (and even Outlook) are pretty flawless at implementation. I for one would like to see RIT either fix IMAP or pull it from the product and concentrate at what they seem to know best: the antiquated POP3. I think I'm outta here. Mulberry is just so much more robust when it comes to IMAP handling. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.61.07 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpcceViwI8ze.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On Friday, September 23, 2005, 9:20:42 AM, Clive Taylor wrote: The old problems with IMAP mailboxes refusing to update or display mail without a shutdown or manic clicking on different folders has returned in recent betas. I would agree with this assessment. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.61.05 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.61.06 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Clive and group, The old problems with IMAP mailboxes refusing to update or display mail without a shutdown or manic clicking on different folders has returned in recent betas. This problem makes the new betas unusable for me. This has been going on for quite a while. This is what I end up doing, too. Does not seem to make any difference how the options are set. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.61.04 beta and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4 Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 2005-09-23 at 16:20:42 Clive Taylor wrote: The old problems with IMAP mailboxes refusing to update or display mail without a shutdown or manic clicking on different folders has returned in recent betas. AFAIK, it has never been away since at least 3.0... :( I still also regularly have the ever-repeating IMAP tasks, which eat up 100% CPU time too. Usually though, choosing Abort all tasks in Connection Centre kills these hanging/repeating tasks off, and then pressing Alt-F2 reconnects to the IMAP server(s) and goes further where it was stuck before. But indeed, sometimes it gets so irritating that I simply kill The Bat and start Thunderbird instead. ;) Btw, I know that IMAP is hard stuff, since the protocol quite honestly seems to suck. But why do ALL other IMAP clients (e.g. Thunderbird, Mulberry, and even Outlook!) have almost zero problems with at least the basic operations, such as retrieving mail, browsing folders, etc? pgpq0LUEEh8a4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Dimitry AFAIK, it has never been away since at least 3.0... :( I still also regularly have the ever-repeating IMAP tasks, which eat up 100% CPU time too. I think this to really be the case. Usually though, choosing Abort all tasks in Connection Centre kills these hanging/repeating tasks off, and then pressing Alt-F2 reconnects to the IMAP server(s) and goes further where it was stuck before. It's unfortunate that the IMAP tasks just continually hang there; I have abandon using the connection center because of this. And as another work-a-round for getting the IMAP pump primed again, I've found that selecting the account in the treelist and selecting 'syncronise all folders' from the context menu. This seems to get things going most of the times in recent betas -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.61.04 beta and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4 on Win2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
