Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Robert Tomanek tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org wrote: ... The problem is it doesn't say WHAT exactly is going to be fixed (like whether it's only going to be minor bugs with message counters, or more major ones with message list not refreshing, or compatibility improvements with specific servers or implementing new IMAP features like keywords or something really revolutionary that would make TB! the greatest IMAP client ever). I would side with Stefan on this, rewrite from scratch, if possible, and if Ritlabs has the resources. The best working IMAP client was/is Mulberry. Not many features, but solid. The reason is because the developer was a physicist. And as a physicist, he followed the rules, sealed the holes, right from the first line of code. If Ritlabs would do this, plus their filtering system, that would be a killer app. But dont think, this is an easy job. Let me quote from the Mulberry site, just to see newcomers a view of business, where even the best ideas can fail: Summary Mulberry started off life as a software project that was really meant to help the author learn more about the internet and internet protocols used for email. However, it became much more than that and garnered support from a small (in internet terms) group of users and institutions many of whom relied on the product as their primary email tool. Whilst it started as only an IMAP client and only on Mac OS, it has grown to cover not only other email protocols, but also calendaring and scheduling and is available on Mac OS X, Windows and Linux systems. Adherence to standards is a key belief on the part of the developers, and active participation in the Internet Engineering Task Force and the standards process is an important aspect. Ultimately the failure of the original company (for a whole host of reasons) was really a reflection of the fact that Mulberry had failed to grow a market share that could sustain the company in a market where free clients (of varying quality) are readily available. from http://www.mulberrymail.com/about.shtml See the cinical note: free clients (of varying quality)? Unfortunately, today it is not about quality anymore, but more like quantity. I believe, Ritlabs can balance quantity (they have to sell for the public) with quality. In an ideal world, this would be an easy choice to make, but this is not an ideal world now. -- Vili Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello Vili, Sunday, March 1, 2009, 9:10:32 AM, you wrote: I would side with Stefan on this, rewrite from scratch, if possible, and if Ritlabs has the resources. [...] The problem is that Stefan/ Ritlabs nowhere did say that they are going to rewrite it from scratch. The quote that Marek and others found only says that the message base format was rewritten; as for IMAP, it's going to be improved or reworked, which does not necessarily mean a rewrite (and even if it does, then how do we know that it's going to be significantly better). This all boils down to the fact that Ritlabs never did explicitly say what *exactly* is going to be improved when IMAP gets their attention. Everyone just assumes they are going to fix some more obvious bugs. IMAP is broader than that, other clients can take advantage of that. reasons) was really a reflection of the fact that Mulberry had failed to grow a market share that could sustain the company in a market where free clients (of varying quality) are readily available. from See the cinical note: free clients (of varying quality)? Unfortunately, today it is not about quality anymore, but more like quantity. I believe, Ritlabs can balance quantity (they have to sell for the public) with quality. In an ideal world, this would be an easy choice to make, but this is not an ideal world now. I beg to differ. Starting a business in developing e-mail client software has been a rather risky thing to do since a few years. This is due to the fact that the usage profile of e-mail usage in general has changed -- while e-mail used to be a value in itself, now it's used in conjunction with a host of other services. The most obvious example is Exchange/ Outlook with its collaboration/ calendaring/ other corporate blahblah solution. I don't even comment on the fact that e-mail is used less and less by younger people (it's losing to IM, twitter, etc) and it might be that it stabilizes for a few years for all semi-official correspondence (as opposed to all correspondence a few years ago). After that, who knows what happens to it? You can see it happen in Mozilla Foundation today. Many people complain that Thunderbird is being mistreated, is underfunded etc, while Firefox is given all the attention. This is simply the result of their revenue stream coming via the web browser business, Google deals, etc. I guess that no one is going to be surprised if Thunderbird gets abandoned one day (although on the other hand many people see Thunderbird + Sunbird as a viable Outlook alternative in the future; just the server side thing is missing). I am pretty sure Ritlabs are feeling the same way today. They know they are not going to win the whole world with The Bat!, they already only cater to a small group of enthusiasts that keep buying new versions. It gives them enough money to pay their bills and I guess they'll be doing it for a few more years -- as long as a group of people of certain size is going to pay for it. That's probably the reason that IMAP never gets reworked. The number of people asking for it is probably far too small to make it worthwhile for them. As for Mulberry: I am not saying that it was bound to fail. The idea was just what I said -- risky. They failed, which is a real pity in my opinion but it was not unexpected. And, to answer your point: some people *are* going to spend some money on e-mail client software, simply because they feel it's worth it. Or, to put it the other way round: they will spend it if it's better than other (free or cheaper) alternatives. This includes me and The Bat! but I don't care anymore about cosmetic changes. The only thing I need is good IMAP support. Now, it's just Ritlabs' decision what to do with it: they may keep doing basically nothing and live off it for a few next releases, they may take the risk and invest some money into development of IMAP or other 'big' features which may or may not pay off. Time will tell. -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[noise] Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello Christian, ...and proud of it! Of course, it's a basic pigquoters behaviour. I forgot: - HTML posting on this list EOT -- Regards, Francismailto:fran...@dhumes.fr French translator of TB! and ASS Message handmade on TB! v.4.1.11.6 on Windows Vista 6001 Service Pack 1 AntispamSniper for TB! 3.2.0.1 Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello Robert, I would side with Stefan on this, rewrite from scratch, if possible, and if Ritlabs has the resources. [...] The problem is that Stefan/ Ritlabs nowhere did say that they are going to rewrite it from scratch ,- [ 15-Dec-2008 mid:1814574062036820...@ritlabs.com ] | Hello Vilius, | | Monday, December 15, 2008, 16:55:59, you wrote: | | Anyway, do you still planning to rewrite IMAP support or was it also | canceled? | We plan to rewrite it. | | -- | Best regards, | Maxim Masiutin `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello Robert, Thanks. However, next time include the full quote: Pardon me? It is the full quote, signature included, of the message I identified with MID. See it attached if you don't trust me. Plus a second one I just found. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 ---BeginMessage--- Hello Vilius, Monday, December 15, 2008, 16:55:59, you wrote: Anyway, do you still planning to rewrite IMAP support or was it also canceled? We plan to rewrite it. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Hello Vilius, VŠ Can we have an IMAP fixes now? Fixes? We are going to rewrite it almost from scratch :-) -- Best regards, Stefan Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ---End Message--- Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:24 AM, MAU m...@rancho-k.com wrote: Hello Robert, Thanks. However, next time include the full quote: Pardon me? It is the full quote, signature included, of the message I identified with MID. See it attached if you don't trust me. Plus a second one I just found. Thanks MAU, I remembered this mail too. There _was_ a note to rewrite from (almost) scratch. -- Vili Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello MAU, Sunday, March 1, 2009, 12:36:25 PM, you wrote: I would side with Stefan on this, rewrite from scratch, if possible, and if Ritlabs has the resources. [...] The problem is that Stefan/ Ritlabs nowhere did say that they are going to rewrite it from scratch ,- [ 15-Dec-2008 mid:1814574062036820...@ritlabs.com ] | Hello Vilius, | | Monday, December 15, 2008, 16:55:59, you wrote: | | Anyway, do you still planning to rewrite IMAP support or was it also | canceled? | We plan to rewrite it. | | -- | Best regards, | Maxim Masiutin `- Thanks. However, next time include the full quote: IMAP, it's going to be improved or reworked, which does not necessarily mean a rewrite (and even if it does, then how do we know that it's going to be significantly better). Which means: we still don't know what exactly is going to be improved. -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
domingo, 1 mar 2009 at 10:51, it seems you wrote: I am pretty sure Ritlabs are feeling the same way today. They know they are not going to win the whole world with The Bat!, they already only cater to a small group of enthusiasts that keep buying new versions. It gives them enough money to pay their bills and I guess they'll be doing it for a few more years -- as long as a group of people of certain size is going to pay for it. That's probably the reason that IMAP never gets reworked. The number of people asking for it is probably far too small to make it worthwhile for them. IMAP should be the first fix they should to add. It seems they lost a lot of customers due to IMAP bugs. I said some years ago, Ritlabs should add some enterprise things to try to wide it's client base. I said Rit should try to add more Exchange compatibility, calendar with meetings mails and others. Years ago the The Bat! flagship was the security comparing it with Outlook. Today the outlook security it's a bit better than before. The filters and others are algo better than in old version. So the difference between them it's becoming little a little with the time. The Bat! could survive with the enthusiast you said in your mail, but Rit needs to wide it's customers base, and the enterprise group it's one of the best groups for growing. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 4.1.11.6 Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Sonntag, 1. März 2009 at 00:05, Christian Grams wrote: ...and proud of it! So und wenn du stolz bist, sorry... Ok, if you are proud now, would you please stop imediately to post HTML Messages to the List without testing purposes. MOD: Please have a Look at this. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.6 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Sonntag, 1. März 2009 at 08:21, Vili wrote: My problem was that you mentioned improvement and then you say that I can not see if it is getting better or different. So, + in your first sentence and - in your second one. It was confusing. I am not an English major myself :), so it is not a criticism, just a note. Thats why i tried to explain it. The situation to first say + and after that say - points out a sarkasm and leads to the result, that everybody has to decide himself. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.6 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Sonntag, 1. März 2009 at 08:33, Vili wrote: Samstag, 28. Februar 2009 at 18:10, Kertész Vilmos wrote: Ok, i wanted to point out, that the other Applications are developed ... No, I did not write that Of course not, as you see in mid:10426908.20090228191...@gmx.de -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.6 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Samstag, 28. Februar 2009 at 06:15, Kertész Vilmos wrote: IMAP in thunderbird 3 beta made several improvements. I can not see if it is getting better or different. And why do we read it here? Why do you ask for something you might know already? -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.6 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Samstag, 28. Februar 2009 at 18:10, Kertész Vilmos wrote: IMAP in thunderbird 3 beta made several improvements. I can not see if it is getting better or different. And why do we read it here? Why do you ask for something you might know already? If I would have known already, I would not have sent that email. Ok, i wanted to point out, that the other Applications are developed more and more in the IMAP Area, where The Bat! used to be a kind of choice - if The Bat! looses Users which do not want to wait no longer, that would be not a good business. And the rest of what i think, i will not repeat again and again. Everybody can think himself. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.6 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello all, Saturday, February 28, 2009, Jens Franik wrote: If I would have known already, I would not have sent that email. Ok, i wanted to point out, that the other Applications are developed more and more in the IMAP Area, where The Bat! used to be a kind of choice - if The Bat! looses Users which do not want to wait no longer, that would be not a good business. And the rest of what i think, i will not repeat again and again. Everybody can think himself. rewriting IMAP code was confirmed and is under development right now, this will be more than fixing bugs like in thunderbird in these betas. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.11.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
You miss the point: Ritlabs does not seem to care that paying customers are leaving for better Emails Clients that have working IMAP. Better IMAP has been promissed for as long as i can thinkand remember. BTW: this is written via Thunderbird with working IMAP! regards Christian Samstag, 28. Februar 2009 at 18:10, Kertész Vilmos wrote: Ok, i wanted to point out, that the other Applications are developed more and more in the IMAP Area, where The Bat! used to be a kind of choice - if The Bat! looses Users which do not want to wait no longer, that would be not a good business. And the rest of what i think, i will not repeat again and again. Everybody can think himself. begin:vcard fn:Christian Grams n:Grams;Christian org:HD Training und Consulting GmbH;Infrastructure Solutions adr:;;August-Horch-Strasse 2;Gifhorn;Niedersachsen;38518;Deutschland email;internet:i...@grams-it.com title:IT Consultant Trainer tel;home:+49 5362 503645 tel;cell:+49 151 58254078 url:www.hud.de version:2.1 end:vcard Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Troll Hello Christian, Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 19:26:05, you wrote : BTW: this is written via Thunderbird with working IMAP! Sure you don't use TB!: - your mail isn't correctly quoted - your sig isn't conform (dash dash space CR) In french it's called pigquoting ! /Troll and I beg the pardon of all the list for the noise :) -- Regards, Francismailto:fran...@dhumes.fr French translator of TB! and ASS Message handmade on TB! v.4.1.11.6 on Windows Vista 6001 Service Pack 1 AntispamSniper for TB! 3.2.0.1 Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Samstag, 28. Februar 2009 at 19:22, Marek Mikus wrote: rewriting IMAP code was confirmed several times in the last years, you are right. and is under development right now If you know this 100%, i can not be sure, before i see the first results. And everybody, especial longtime users are critical in this case, as long as they did not see anything rising. Maybe there have been more than this try to fix it, or write it new, but every time it dropped again - who stands for, that it does not drop again? I beg your pardon, but maybe i am not totally wrong. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.6 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello Marek, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:22:58 PM, you wrote: rewriting IMAP code was confirmed and is under development right now, this Care to point to the exact source of this information? I mean: when and where did Ritlabs make any obligations as to: (1) What exactly is going to be fixed, (2) By when, (3) In what version. This question is addressed to everyone. I'll be glad if someone could find references to their past promises (that they never kept). -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello all, Saturday, February 28, 2009, Robert Tomanek wrote: Care to point to the exact source of this information? Stef wrote this to TBBETA before release of 4.1 We've made changes to the message base format in order to improve IMAP in the next release, so it was the first step. As soon as we get this Beta series finished and the new format working without a problem, IMAP will be reworked. for now, additional changes in the program's core are in progress, there should be news soon, but Ritlabs must answer to this, I do not know what all changes must be done to introduce it. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.11.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-02-28 · 22:44 h (CET)] Moin, Marek! Care to point to the exact source of this information? Stef wrote this to TBBETA before release of 4.1 Yep, see mid:1124908893.20081030210...@thebat.net. Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.6 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »You live and learn. At any rate, you live.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Am 28.02.2009 19:45, schrieb Francis Dhumes: Troll Hello Christian, Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 19:26:05, you wrote : BTW: this is written via Thunderbird with working IMAP! Sure you don't use TB!: - your mail isn't correctly quoted - your sig isn't conform (dash dash space CR) In french it's called pigquoting ! /Troll and I beg the pardon of all the list for the noise :) ...and proud of it! begin:vcard fn:Christian Grams n:Grams;Christian org:HD Training und Consulting GmbH;Infrastructure Solutions adr:;;August-Horch-Strasse 2;Gifhorn;Niedersachsen;38518;Deutschland email;internet:i...@grams-it.com title:IT Consultant Trainer tel;home:+49 5362 503645 tel;cell:+49 151 58254078 url:www.hud.de version:2.1 end:vcard Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello Marek, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:44:26 PM, you wrote: Care to point to the exact source of this information? Stef wrote this to TBBETA before release of 4.1 We've made changes to the message base format in order to improve IMAP in the next release, so it was the first step. As soon as we get this Beta series finished and the new format working without a problem, IMAP will be reworked. Thanks for finding this. Since this was in the 4.0/4.1-beta times, this indeed sounds like a statement that Ritlabs is going to improve IMAP support somewhere in 4.1 series (not later). The problem is it doesn't say WHAT exactly is going to be fixed (like whether it's only going to be minor bugs with message counters, or more major ones with message list not refreshing, or compatibility improvements with specific servers or implementing new IMAP features like keywords or something really revolutionary that would make TB! the greatest IMAP client ever). In short: we have no idea what's going to happen. More specifically, we also don't know *if* something (other than minor improvements that we already had in the past) will happen. Also, some people will treat this commitment from Ritlabs' side with caution; given how IMAP was treated in the past, I'll be one of them. This means that I am not paying for a new version, until it actually gets significantly improved and some people confirm it. for now, additional changes in the program's core are in progress, there should be news soon, but Ritlabs must answer to this, I do not know what all changes must be done to introduce it. Yeah, that'd be great if Ritlabs announced the real scope of work going on. I fear they won't, however, since it's easier for them not to make any kind of commitments. -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jens Franik je...@gmx.de wrote: Samstag, 28. Februar 2009 at 18:10, Kertész Vilmos wrote: IMAP in thunderbird 3 beta made several improvements. I can not see if it is getting better or different. And why do we read it here? Why do you ask for something you might know already? If I would have known already, I would not have sent that email. Ok, i wanted to point out, that the other Applications are developed more and more in the IMAP Area, where The Bat! used to be a kind of choice - if The Bat! looses Users which do not want to wait no longer, that would be not a good business. And the rest of what i think, i will not repeat again and again. Everybody can think himself. I do understand this, but then please be more careful with your words. My problem was that you mentioned improvement and then you say that I can not see if it is getting better or different. So, + in your first sentence and - in your second one. It was confusing. I am not an English major myself :), so it is not a criticism, just a note. -- Vili Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Christian Grams i...@grams-it.com wrote: You miss the point: Ritlabs does not seem to care that paying customers are leaving for better Emails Clients that have working IMAP. Better IMAP has been promissed for as long as i can thinkand remember. BTW: this is written via Thunderbird with working IMAP! regards Christian Samstag, 28. Februar 2009 at 18:10, Kertész Vilmos wrote: Ok, i wanted to point out, that the other Applications are developed ... No, I did not write that, a.) my English is better than that :), though b.) I agree with the statement Jens made here about losing users. If a new client would like to buy TB from me and use for IMAP, I dont advise him to do it. I dont want to hassle him in the near future. POP, no problem. IMAP, red light. Christian, please fix your email client or manually correct its errors or you will see this in future emails: Christian wrote: Yesterday I had a hamburger for dinner with some cheap red wine from England. (Joking of course :) I just saw the movie 2 days in Paris, the lunch scene is hillarious :) -- Vili Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: News: Thunderbird IMAP
Hello Jens, IMAP in thunderbird 3 beta made several improvements. I can not see if it is getting better or different. And why do we read it here? -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
