Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:36:00 +0200, Viktor Kabelac wrote: Funnywise this reminds me on all the GFs I tried to teach the same: speak up on time, Which has been done, numerous times, for at least five (5), if not ten (10) years. Incessantly. don't silently expect and be disappointed later. There is nothing to be disappointed about. Anyone who has been monitoring the Beta! development of The Beta! for some time should have expected this. There are more important things to be dissapointed or angry about. Like deforestation or global climate change. Arjan Current beta is 5.0.8.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
On Saturday, April 16, 2011, 7:08:49 PM, Richard Newman wrote: 1) Forward a message and the cursor starts in the body of the message text rather than To it's at To here -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.8.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello Dwight, Monday, April 18, 2011, 3:30:33 PM, you wrote: DC it's at To here And 5.0.81 fixed it here. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangro...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v5.0.8.1 (BETA) on Windows XP6 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.8.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hi, R It is a beta test group in order to FIND these issues so they R can be fixed. They have fixed a TON of issues and rewritten the program. And came up with _this_? I think once and for all it has been proven that at least one of the following is true: - You can't write a complex program using Delphi. - RIT can't maintain a program of TheBat's complexity. How long has it been from the last v4 to the first v5 release? A year? And this is supposed to be the result? Come on! R We all want the bat to keep getting better and better :) We don't want to write it ourselves. And RIT obviously can't handle the job either. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7601 Service Pack 1 pgpC2rU7e2MMN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
dear Alto, Sunday, April 17, 2011, 12:21:50 PM, you wrote: And came up with _this_? - RIT can't maintain a program of TheBat's complexity. We don't want to write it ourselves. And RIT obviously can't handle the job either. Maybe you better watch in your face attitude and stop knocking Ritlabs down like this. I believe at least half the world is full of people who know how things are not done...strangely there seem to be few great complex products actually done by those. Ritlabs do a terrific job, they still have a terrific program around. I believe that's why you are on this list, too. Yes, they have been concentrating on too much fancy stuff rather than to get existing stuff work right (IMAP, the HTML editor is still a joke). Yes, I have been doing my share of whining around for functional IMAP, for example. Yes, the guy who decided to ship this present V5 (what funny connotations does this have, hopefully the damage won't be as large) should get his bottom lit up, but none of that is a reason to present Ritlabs as a buch of high school janitors. So it's up to them to learn from this, up to us to wait for a real release...only in your facing is not going to help anyone. Calm down and enjoy the beautiful week-end. -- Viktor Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hi, VK Maybe you better watch in your face attitude and stop knocking Ritlabs VK down like this. Does it look to you that RIT would be up to the job? This is not an insult. It's an observation. VK Ritlabs do a terrific job, they still have a terrific program around. I see, that answeres the question. You obviously have a different expectation to software than me. My playing days are over. I expect software to actually work. VK Calm down and enjoy the beautiful week-end. You did realize that I hardly wrote a single mail during the whole v5 beta phase? I intentionally held back even though what had been presented was of abysmal quality. It was work in progress, maybe improvements were just around the corner. When it suddenly became clear that they actually intended to release _this_, no further comment had been necessary, either. It was RITs one and only chance to regain some trust and reputation. They blew it, big time. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7601 Service Pack 1 pgp9zGUoGlEnv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello Alto, Sunday, April 17, 2011, 1:44:26 PM, you wrote: AS My playing days are over. Good. Now you could try to improve the way you communicate. Did it ever occur to you that insulting seldom leads to getting what you want? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (0 days 17:27:12) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello Richard, On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:12:07 -0400GMT Richard Newman wrote: RN Add #4 to my gripes and inconveniences: RN 4) The filter to move and mark as read, does not mark as read. I cannot confirm this, here such a filter works as expected. -- Regards, Feli:de-bb: The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1 7601 Service Pack 1 In case of doubt, make it sound convincing. Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello Alto, Sunday, April 17, 2011, 1:44:26 PM, you wrote: You did realize that I hardly wrote a single mail during the whole v5 beta phase? I intentionally held back even though what had been presented was of abysmal quality. It was work in progress, maybe clear that they actually intended to release _this_, no further comment had been necessary, either. Maybe, just *maybe* and *sometimes* it's better to speak up when you just get the hint of a suspicion that things may not be going quite the way you'd like them to, than to *expect* and be disappointed. Funnywise this reminds me on all the GFs I tried to teach the same: speak up on time, don't silently expect and be disappointed later. Seems like they aren't the only ones exhibiting this pattern. It was RITs one and only chance to regain some trust and reputation. They blew it, big time. Well... And you, for your part, didn't help them do otherwise. It's too easy to silently let someone run against a knife and then shout up loud after they did. Everyone *can* do that...only is that quite what you want to do? -- Viktor Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hi, VK Maybe, just *maybe* and *sometimes* it's better to speak up when you just VK get the hint of a suspicion that things may not be going [...] Just prior to the release of v5, many voices did. Voices in much better standing with RIT than me, and they still were ignored. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7601 Service Pack 1 pgpdaAFWIKHqF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello Rick, On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, at 20:47:02 [which was on Sunday at 01:47 where I live] you wrote: DE And frankly I am disappointed. There are lot's of us who are disappointed ... It is a beta test group in order to FIND these issues so they can be fixed. Ok this is a beta list. But my 'Gripe' is that I am using the public release. They should be fixed before a public release. ... A reoccurring theme of TB! beta's and public release is that 'New features' are added with out fixing all the outstanding bugs. -- Cheers David mailto:da...@elliott.uk.com Thought for the day : Wide awake in dreamland. running TB! ver 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7600 Current beta is 5.0.8.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello David, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:46:52 AM, among other things, you wrote: DE Since there was going to be no more developmet of Ver 4 as quoted in DE mid:274287867.20110408225...@ritlabs.com I decide to move to 5. DE I have taken the version publicly available from the web and installed DE straight over the 4.2.44.2. DE And frankly I am disappointed. You are not the only one! -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.2.44.2 POP3, on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7601 and Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
On Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:46:52 PM, David Elliott wrote: As far as I am concerned the only reeal difference between the last beta version of 4 and the first public version of 5 is the number of bugs that I encounter has gone up. It takes me back to the days of ver 1.3x when I first started using TB!. look at the change log -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Greetings Dwight, On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, at 07:37:59 [which was on Saturday at 13:37 where I live] you wrote: On Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:46:52 PM, David Elliott wrote: As far as I am concerned the only reeal difference between the last beta version of 4 and the first public version of 5 is the number of bugs that I encounter has gone up. It takes me back to the days of ver 1.3x when I first started using TB!. look at the change log As I said 'As far as I am concerned' -- Cheers David mailto:da...@elliott.uk.com running TB! ver 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7600 Thought for the day : Wide awake in dreamland. Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello David, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 12:46:52 AM, you wrote: DE And frankly I am disappointed. There are lot's of us who are disappointed and I'm in the process of going back to 4.2. Too many inconveniences exist and are being ignored to date by the developers. In particular, my gripes and inconveniences are: 1) Forward a message and the cursor starts in the body of the message text rather than To 2) Open the address book and the cursor is on Search Results rather than Personal Address Book. 3) Ctl + Del used to delete all messages and put them in the Trash folder. A handy way to delete all messages and keep them around. Someone changed this move (unannounced) to permanently delete messages. I can't get used to change and the lack of any convenient substitute and have lost messages as a result. I'm going back to 4.2 until I see another beta release which addresses these three inconvienent issues. Then I'll think about beta testing again. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangro...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v5.0.8 on Windows XP6 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello David, Add #4 to my gripes and inconveniences: 4) The filter to move and mark as read, does not mark as read. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangro...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v5.0.8 on Windows XP6 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello David, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 12:46:52 AM, you wrote: DE And frankly I am disappointed. There are lot's of us who are disappointed and I'm in the process of going back to 4.2. Too many inconveniences exist and are being ignored to date by the developers. I'm going back to 4.2 until I see another beta release which addresses these three inconvienent issues. Then I'll think about beta testing again. It is a beta test group in order to FIND these issues so they can be fixed. They have fixed a TON of issues and rewritten the program. There are a lot of things left to be fixed - I can add my own list. Rather than quitting beta testing, you might do better to search the bug tracker and support issues that you find there and report any on your list that are not. We all want the bat to keep getting better and better :) -- Rick I'm having another It seemed like a good idea at the time moment v5.0.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
