Re[4]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-27 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Maksym, Tuesday, January 27, 2004, 2:00:24 PM, you wrote: MK> First things first, in this case you cannot (and should not) call your MK> character set "Default character set". Yes, we can - it's a shortened form of "Default character set for non-7-bit ASCII characters", but the latter is a

Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-27 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Thomas, Monday, January 26, 2004, 8:01:14 PM, you wrote: >> The behaviour you propose cause more problems because some systems >> (especially those functioning in the US and Canada) do not know anything >> about character sets other than us-ascii (and ISO, if one is lucky) >> and that cause

Re[3]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-27 Thread Maksym Kozub
Hello Stefan, I agree to what Thomas said in his message. ST> Well, here is the problem - I use a Russian character set by default. ST> When I send messages in English, I'm always sure that they're going ST> out in us-ascii, no need to change anything here. Now, imagine I'm ST> sending a message

Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Stefan, On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:30:00 +0200 GMT (26/01/2004, 14:30 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: > The behaviour you propose cause more problems because some systems > (especially those functioning in the US and Canada) do not know anything > about character sets other than us-ascii (an

Re: (not LONGISH any more) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maksym, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:09:25 +0200 GMT (26/01/2004, 03:09 +0700 GMT), Maksym Kozub wrote: > Hope you get my point. Yes. And I admit to still not having read the RFC. > Any high ASCII letter can never be 7bit data, - that's right, and > that's what RFC2045 says. What it does _not_

Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-26 Thread Chris
On Monday, January 26, 2004 at 2:30:00 AM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote in the message "Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII" <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So, basically, there is no problem on our

Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-26 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Maksym, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 5:07:51 PM, you wrote: MK> As a result of this behaviour combined with some other MUAs' (e.g. MK> Microsoft-made ones') improper behaviour, there is the following MK> problem reported by various people. The behaviour you propose cause more problems because

Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Maksym Kozub
Hello Carsten, On Mon, Jan 26 2004, 0:52:14 you wrote: >> That sounds wrong. CT> Huh? This is the way good mail clients work. It is not wrong at all. It _is_ wrong. See my other messages in this thread, where I clearly demonstrate that 1) there is actually _nothing_ in RFC2045 preventing a MUA

Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Carsten Thönges
* Thomas Fernandez writes: > Maksym Kozub wrote: > Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use: >> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit" > but TB changes it to >> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"

Re[2]: (not LONGISH any more) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Maksym Kozub
Hello Thomas, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:41:42 you wrote: TF> OK, let's read on: >> Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm: >> >> "If all characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been alway

Re: (not LONGISH any more) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maksym, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:02:39 +0200 GMT (26/01/2004, 01:02 +0700 GMT), Maksym Kozub wrote: TF>> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? > Yep. Looks exactly so. TF>> That sounds wrong. > For me too. OK, let's read on: > Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 02, 200

(LONGISH) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Maksym Kozub
Hello Thomas, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 г. 18:39:19 you wrote: TF> Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use: >> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit" TF> but TB changes it to >> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-En

Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:30:51 +0100 GMT (26/01/2004, 00:30 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: TF>> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? TF>> That sounds wrong. > That's exactly what happens here with my default setting of Latin-9 > (ISO-8859-15). Then it sounds like a

Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Thomas, on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:39:19 +0700GMT (25.01.04, 17:39 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TF> Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use: >> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit" TF> but TB changes it to >> "Con

Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Thomas, on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:39:19 +0700GMT (25.01.04, 17:39 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : >> If you choose an 8-bit encoding for your outgoing messages, but the >> message actually does not contain any symbols with decimal values >> higher than 127, then TB! would jus

Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maksym, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:07:51 +0200 GMT (25/01/2004, 22:07 +0700 GMT), Maksym Kozub wrote: > If you choose an 8-bit encoding for your outgoing messages, but the > message actually does not contain any symbols with decimal values > higher than 127, then TB! would just make it "Content

Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

2004-01-25 Thread Maksym Kozub
I sent this message on TBTECH first; it seems however that there is almost nobody reading the tech list, so I decided to resend it here. I recently submitted the problem described in this message as a bug (https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002349); decided to also report