Re: %ATTACHMENTS: doesnt show files attached

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi tracer,

on Monday, October 18, 1999, 2:09:10 PM, tracer wrote:

t> problem: use below shown macro but when attaching whatever I do, %ATTACHMENTS
t> seems to always generate "none" as result.
t> Any idea how to fix?

I'm not sure, but I think this macro is only for the print-templates.

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%ATTACHMENTS: doesnt show files attached

[tracer]

Monday, October 18, 1999

Hello
problem: use below shown macro but when attaching whatever I do, %ATTACHMENTS
seems to always generate "none" as result.
Any idea how to fix?

ok, macro used to send email:

%DATEEN

Hello %TOFName,

  %Cursor

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SOT: Languages and Writing Systems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi tracer,

on Monday, October 18, 1999, 12:09:55 PM, tracer wrote:

Thomas>> Every script has drawbacks when you want to use it for another
Thomas>> language. ;-)

t> I know but here in Thailand it must be about the only place where they
t> try to make a language which is quite irregular when it comes to the
t> way things are written/pronounced, regular... problem is for instance
t> Than, Tani, Tanee and whatever being used for the same thing.
t> Or Thanon, tanon  whatever for street. The good thing is that Thai
t> postal office employees are masters in recognising screwed up
t> addresses...

The problem is not Thai, but English. "Thanon" is spelled to-tung,
no-noo, no-noo. Thani is spelled to-tong, sara ah, no-noo, sara ih.
How to trans-scribe this into English, is up to everybody's taste,
because there is no recognized standard. After all, it would be only
for the "illiterate farangs", so who cares... ;-)

t> Anyway, drop me pls that suitable Thai font you said you had.
t> Its a non proportional TT font correct??

Yes; I already sent it to you yesterday by attachment to mail. It's
called DbThaiText Fixed. If yo9u didn't receive it, I will send it
again in the evening (I don't have it here in the office).

...And for those who were wondering why this thread is still "on" the
lsit: I believe that it is important for a truely international email
client to know about the problems that arise if you use langauges
other than English. I believe the European langauges and Russian have
been taken care of by the developers, but we are only boiling down on
the problem with Asian languages. I hope that's OK.

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Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work

[tracer]

Monday, October 18, 1999

Hello Alexander,

Sunday, Sunday, October 17, 1999, you wrote:

Alexander> Hi there!

Alexander> On 17 Oct 99, at 9:15, tracer wrote
Alexander> about "Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not":

>> Alexander> (in Volapyuk): Aleksandr Va`c`eslavovic` Kiselev 
>> Alexander> (in proper Translit): Aleksandr Wq^eslawowi^ Kiselew

>> Now I see the tonguebreaker...
>> Wouldnt it be easier if you could remove one part in the middle name...

Alexander> How could I? My middle name (and the middle name of every 
Alexander> Russian) is in fact the name of my father... That is, my father's 
Alexander> first name is Vyatcheslaw (in Volapyuk: Va`c`eslav). So well, let 
Alexander> it stay "V.":-)) BTW, note that in Russia the middle name of a 
Alexander> person is much more important then in English-speaking 
Alexander> countries (at least when you wish to be polite:-))
I know, just joking there but it sure is a nice way to get a tongue in
a twist... Not due to the name, but the fact that it gets that
extension: note I said one part in the middle name, not remove the
name... but agreed, you are stuck with it...


>> Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it...

Alexander> I can spell anything I like in Russian as well. Well, almost 
Alexander> anything:-)) The English sound spelled as "th" (the, thee) 
Alexander> cannot. But after all, I cannot reliably pronounce this one, too:-
Alexander> ))


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Re[4]: PGP Check Signature does not work

[tracer]

Monday, October 18, 1999

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, Sunday, October 17, 1999, you wrote:

Thomas> Hallo tracer,

Thomas> On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 10:15:12 AM, tracer wrote:

Alexander>>> Don't know Esperanto, but think you're wrong here:-) the first 
Alexander>>> "a" above should sound similar to German "Ja" (that is, as it's 
Alexander>>> common in many Latin-based languages, should be written as 
Alexander>>> two-dotted "a"). What for the second "a" above, it's pronounced 
Alexander>>> exactly as the English letter "R" is called, that is, "AR":-) So 
Alexander>>> either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't 
Alexander>>> got the proper pronunciation:-))

t>> Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it...
t>> I donot speak it but its an extreemly flexible way to make any sound
t>> even if you still cannot read the result (g) and I remember for my
t>> workpermit I needed about 10 minutes before my Dutch name was properly
t>> translated so it sounded the same...

Thomas> Arabic is 100% phonetic, we used to write dictations and hand't ever
Thomas> heard the words before... 26 letters, plus three "short vowels" (often
Thomas> not written except in classic texts), plus one stop-voice-marker
Thomas> (hamza). Problem is, they have only three vowels: a, i, o (pronounce
Thomas> these the German way), no P (except in the Urdu version) and so on.

Thomas> Every script has drawbacks when you want to use it for another
Thomas> language. ;-)

I know but here in Thailand it must be about the only place where they
try to make a language which is quite irregular when it comes to the
way things are written/pronounced, regular... problem is for instance
Than, Tani, Tanee and whatever being used for the same thing.
Or Thanon, tanon  whatever for street. The good thing is that Thai
postal office employees are masters in recognising screwed up
addresses...


Anyway, drop me pls that suitable Thai font you said you had.
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Re[4]: Can Thai be used??

[tracer]

Monday, October 18, 1999

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, Sunday, October 17, 1999, you wrote:

Thomas> Hallo tracer,

Thomas> On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 7:24:20 AM, tracer wrote:

Thomas> My X-LAT table does not include Thai... :-(
I selected 'add', and Thai was on the list (scroll down ) and so I
selected it. Doesnt do a thing though...


Thomas> They are automatically shown if you put them in the C:\Windows|Font
Thomas> directory.

So I thought you said you have a Thai non proportional TT font??
Could you send it to me...
All the ones I have seem to be proportional and I donot like to mess
with system fonts.




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Re: Getting formatting into templates ?

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Monday, October 18, 1999, 1:03:51 AM (-5 GMT), Oleg scribbled:

   
> Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

> Monday, October 18, 1999, Jason Varney wrote about
> Getting formatting into templates ?:

JV>> Is there anyway to get formatting  into templates ? specifically into
JV>> the print template .. e.g. Having a Bold 24 point Arial Font heading ?
 ^^
 Oops. I didn't see this so disregard my negative remark on
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Re: Getting formatting into templates ?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Monday, October 18, 1999, Jason Varney wrote about
Getting formatting into templates ?:

JV> Is there anyway to get formatting  into templates ? specifically into
JV> the print template .. e.g. Having a Bold 24 point Arial Font heading ?

Message/Print Setup/Font Layout

But  there is option for HTML headings only. Since message headers are
not  special  part of the printing template there is no possibility to
change formatting for them separately.

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Re[4]: Suggestion: Warn if no subject entered

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Sunday, October 17, 1999, Philippe Gouillou wrote about
Suggestion: Warn if no subject entered:

PG>Anywhere in the template, add the line :
PG> %SUBJ="This would be different if I didn't forget to change it"
   
PG>Rem  :
PG> - If  you  put  this at the beginning of the template, a line
PG>   will be used. So it's better to add it at the end
If you add a new line at the end there still will be a new empty line.
You  can  place  it  just  anywhere, it will not take place. Usually I
place  macros which don't produce text at the end of first (second and
so on) line of the template.


PG> -  If you want to do the same thing in a Reply template, don't
PG>forget to cancel the precedent SUBJECT: by  %SUBJ=""
PG>so  :  %SUBJ=""  %SUBJ="This would be different if I didn't
PG>forget to change it" 
I think this is not needed regarding the subject of the thread.

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Re: jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 10:48:20 PM (-5 GMT), Thomas scribbled:

AKL>> Ctrl+[  - jump to the previous _unread_ (inside the current folder _only_)

> As for these "short" keys, somebody suggested to change these to N for
> Next Unread and so on, I think the suggestions were based on
> Agent - I think that would be a good idea. Ctrl-] is really awkward to
> use.

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Re: (No Subject)

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 7:54:49 PM (-5 GMT), Jason scribbled:

> Is there anyway to get formating  into templates ? specifically into
> the print template .. e.g. Having a Bold 24 point Arial Font heading ?

No, AFAIK, templates do not support this function.

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Re[4]: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi NGUYEN,

on Sunday, October 17, 1999, 10:16:41 PM, NGUYEN Hoai Nam wrote:

TF>> I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world
TF>> should be squeezed into the English alphabet. Look at Vietnamese: it
TF>> looks awful now!

NHN> Eh  guy, what the h... you know about Vietnamese 
NHN> What did you mean "awful" with our current character set?

Not too much except that the character set seems to be Latin on first
sight, and then it turns out that there are so many "extras" added.
Vietnamese, as a tonal language, cannot just be displayed with the
26-character set. - I understand you were using Chinese charactgers
until earlier this century. I was making my point by using Vietnamese
as an example what happens if you want to use the English (or French
in that case) alphabet for a language from a compeltely different
background.

And I did not mean any offence. - Forgive me the wording.

TF>> And really, even though they use 28 latin letters,
TF>> they still have to mke "special effects" and at the end, you still
TF>> don't know how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce this "o" with the
TF>> little tick-mark?

NHN> Yeah,  I  agree with you that it's so ridiculous that someone wants to
NHN> pronounce  correctly  a  language  by  seeing  character  set only!
NHN> You have to learn it to do so.

So, how many characters do you actually use?

TF>> No, every language has the alphabet/character set
TF>> most suitable for it. And why not?

NHN> That's clear...

NHN> Waiting your feedbacks...

And I'm glad that TB is getting more widely recognized here in Asia.
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Re: jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 8:48:20 PM, Thomas wrote:

> It scrolls through the message and then jumps to the next message,
> regardless of whether read or unread. It works perfectly, and there is
> no need for any bug report. ;-)

I guess it depends on what you want to do. Assume you have messages
sorted by ASCENDING date. Do you want to read the most recent message
first, then the next most recent, and so forth, moving back through
time? In other words, do you want to read the response before the
original message? If so, then it works perfectly...

To me, it's a bug; to you, maybe not. Maybe it would be best to have
an option to set the behavior.

AKL>> Ctrl+]  - jump to the next unread (inside the current folder _only_)

> Yes,  and I don't think there is a way to jump to an unread message in
> anotehr folder.

AKL>> Ctrl+[  - jump to the previous _unread_ (inside the current folder _only_)

> As for these "short" keys, somebody suggested to change these to N for
> Next Unread and so on, I think the suggestions were based on
> Agent - I think that would be a good idea. Ctrl-] is really awkward to
> use.

Absolutely agree.


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Re[2]: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Steve,

on Monday, October 18, 1999, 11:22:40 AM, Steve Lamb wrote:

>> I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world
>> should be squeezed into the English alphabet.

SL> I don't think it should.  Although I'll take how many Esperantists write
SL> Esperanto.  As I said, it has 28 characters.  It doesn't use all of the
SL> English letters at all.  For the letters that the "standard" font doesn't
SL> create, they put an x at the end since Esperanto doesn't use x.

SL> a b c cx d e f g gx h hx i j jx k l m n o p r s sx t u ux v z

I would consider this the Epseranto alphabet then, which is suitable
for Esperanto; proving my point. ;-)

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Re: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)

[Steve Lamb]

Sunday, October 17, 1999, 4:35:20 AM, Thomas wrote:
> I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world
> should be squeezed into the English alphabet.

I don't think it should.  Although I'll take how many Esperantists write
Esperanto.  As I said, it has 28 characters.  It doesn't use all of the
English letters at all.  For the letters that the "standard" font doesn't
create, they put an x at the end since Esperanto doesn't use x.

a b c cx d e f g gx h hx i j jx k l m n o p r s sx t u ux v z

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Re: Drag&Drop in message editor - was - Re: (No Subject)

[Steve Lamb]

Saturday, October 16, 1999, 1:08:37 PM, Andrew wrote:
LB>> --

> not "--", but it should be "Minus-Minus-Space-End of line". Space is
> very important here.

To be technically correct...  dash, dash, space, newline.  ;)

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Re[3]: auto-complete not working in address fields

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Terry,

on Sunday, October 17, 1999, 9:13:49 PM, Terry Frazier wrote:

TF> Yes, I mean Ctrl+Plus. At one point it worked, even for groups. I
TF> could type in a partial GroupName and Ctrl+Plus would finish
TF> the entry with "GroupName " in the To: field.

TF> Now Ctrl+Plus appears to be completely disabled, for groups or
TF> anything else. My only change was to upgrade to TB! 1.36 I can't
TF> find any preference setting or option to enable or disable the
TF> feature.

Try ctronol-shift-plus. some users with European keyboards have
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Re: jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Andrew,

on Sunday, October 17, 1999, 5:27:49 PM, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:

CG>> Is there a hotkey to jump to the next unread message (in another
CG>> folder, if necessary)?

AKL> Space key - it scrolls down the message, then jumps to the next (may
AKL> be depends on the sorting order (ascending, descending)... if it does,
AKL> then this is a bug and should be reported to RitLabs. I have no time
AKL> right now to test it, sorry)

It scrolls through the message and then jumps to the next message,
regardless of whether read or unread. It works perfectly, and there is
no need for any bug report. ;-)

AKL> Ctrl+]  - jump to the next unread (inside the current folder _only_)

Yes,  and I don't think there is a way to jump to an unread message in
anotehr folder.

AKL> Ctrl+[  - jump to the previous _unread_ (inside the current folder _only_)

As for these "short" keys, somebody suggested to change these to N for
Next Unread and so on, I think the suggestions were based on
Agent - I think that would be a good idea. Ctrl-] is really awkward to
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Re[4]: Colours

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Ian,

on Sunday, October 17, 1999, 1:28:43 AM, Ian Gore wrote:

DF>>> I also think red wasn't bad. Did you try without hi-color icons?

>> They can be toggled? How?

IG> Under Options. I'm convinced the "High-Colour Images" appear when the
IG> option is off, though!

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Getting formatting into templates ?

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Hi,

Is there anyway to get formatting  into templates ? specifically into
the print template .. e.g. Having a Bold 24 point Arial Font heading ?

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(No Subject)

[Jason Varney]

Hi,

Is there anyway to get formating  into templates ? specifically into
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Re: Bug detected with ctrl+backspace

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 4:23:22 PM (-5 GMT), Andrew scribbled:

AM>> I use MIME forwarding and maybe that's where the problem lies.

> Just tested it. The sent mail (with the forwarded mail MIME attached)
> was put in Sent mail folder. But I use the standard template (with
> quoting the forwarded mail in the body of created message). What's
> your template? And, please, examine your Sent mail filters.

Err. You're right. I was testing by sending messages addressed to
myself. I'd forgotten that I had created an outgoing message filter to
delete messages addressed to myself.

AM>> What about the hung main window with the Ctrl+backspace operation via
AM>> a View Folder window. Do you experience this?

> Yes, I do. The main window does not respond to mouse, it's menu not
> working, though it responds to key shortcuts such as Alt+x (Exit), F5,
> etc.

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Re: jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 3:27:49 AM, Andrew wrote:

> Hello, The Bat Users!

CG>> Is there a hotkey to jump to the next unread message (in another
CG>> folder, if necessary)?

> Space key - it scrolls down the message, then jumps to the next (may
> be depends on the sorting order (ascending, descending)... if it does,
> then this is a bug and should be reported to RitLabs. I have no time
> right now to test it, sorry)

Nope. It jumps to the message below the current one in the list, which
may be read or unread, and which may have an earlier or later date,
depending on the sorting.

Yes, I consider this a bug.

> Ctrl+]  - jump to the next unread (inside the current folder _only_)
> Ctrl+[  - jump to the previous _unread_ (inside the current folder _only_)

Yes, this is the way to do it.

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Re[2]: Bug detected with ctrl+backspace

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

AM>>>  If you forward a message, a copy of the message sent is not
AM>>>  placed in the "Sent" folder and this is why hitting
AM>>>  Ctrl+backspace to find the forwarded message copy will not
AM>>>  work.

>> Here all forwarded messages are kept in Sent. May be you have some
>> Sent mail filters? Or it depends on the method of forwarding? I don't
>> use MIME forwarding here. Any other ideas?

AM> I use MIME forwarding and maybe that's where the problem lies.

Just tested it. The sent mail (with the forwarded mail MIME attached)
was put in Sent mail folder. But I use the standard template (with
quoting the forwarded mail in the body of created message). What's
your template? And, please, examine your Sent mail filters.

AM> What about the hung main window with the Ctrl+backspace operation via
AM> a View Folder window. Do you experience this?

Yes, I do. The main window does not respond to mouse, it's menu not
working, though it responds to key shortcuts such as Alt+x (Exit), F5,
etc.

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Re: Bug detected with ctrl+backspace

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 1:10:46 PM (-5 GMT), Andrew scribbled:

AM>>  OK, I've now detected the pattern.

AM>>  If you forward a message, a copy of the message sent is not placed in
AM>>  the "Sent" folder and this is why hitting Ctrl+backspace to find the
AM>>  forwarded message copy will not work.

> Here all forwarded messages are kept in Sent. May be you have some
> Sent mail filters? Or it depends on the method of forwarding? I don't
> use MIME forwarding here. Any other ideas?

I use MIME forwarding and maybe that's where the problem lies.

What about the hung main window with the Ctrl+backspace operation via
a View Folder window. Do you experience this?

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Re: Bug detected with ctrl+backspace

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

AM> Hi all,
 
AM>  OK, I've now detected the pattern.

AM>  If you forward a message, a copy of the message sent is not placed in
AM>  the "Sent" folder and this is why hitting Ctrl+backspace to find the
AM>  forwarded message copy will not work.

Here all forwarded messages are kept in Sent. May be you have some
Sent mail filters? Or it depends on the method of forwarding? I don't
use MIME forwarding here. Any other ideas?

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Bug detected with ctrl+backspace

[Allie Martin]

Hi all,
 
 OK, I've now detected the pattern.

 If you forward a message, a copy of the message sent is not placed in
 the "Sent" folder and this is why hitting Ctrl+backspace to find the
 forwarded message copy will not work. I guess this is reasonable
 since you already have a copy of the message or else you wouldn't
 have been able to forward it in the first place. My only problem with
 that is that I often add stuff of my own to the forwarded message
 such as a commentary which I would prefer to be saved.

 The bug that I've detected though is that if you use the
 Ctrl+backspace shortcut from the message list displayed in a 'View
 Folder' window, you are no longer able to properly operate the main
 TB! window and are unable to shut it down without killing the app,
 with in the case of NT, the task manager.

 If you use Ctrl+backspace in the main window's message list,
 everything works fine.
  
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Re: The Bat! - suggestions

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 12:56:28 AM (-5 GMT), Keith scribbled:

>> May be a new button or a pull-down menu (as one under the Get mail
>> button) item would be a better way then a pop-up dialog every time the
>> user hits Reply?

> I hate to keep referring to other programs, but Agent and Becky! have
> SO many nice features that I hope TB would emulate

> Becky handles this one really nicely. On the bar separating the
> message list from the preview pane, there is an icon called "Check
> Addresses". If you click on this icon, it brings up the From, Sender,
> Reply-To, To, and Cc fields with their contents. Among other things,
> you can click on the addresses you want to reply to, then click on a
> "Reply to the Address" button, and you've accomplished what you
> wanted. It's very flexible.

> If you just want to reply to the Reply-To address, or Reply to All,
> there are icons for these; you don't have to use Check Addresses
> unless you want the added flexibility.

For the time being I use the reply to all option and delete the
address that I don't want to reply to. This works well for TBUDL since
it's the From and not the Sender address that is placed in the To:
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Re: CRTL-BS

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 7:24:55 AM (-5 GMT), Thomas scribbled:

TF>>> When I reply to or forward a message, a little arrow attaches
TF>>> itself to the envelope icon in front of it in the message list. By
TF>>> focussing on this message and hitting crtl-backspace, I can
TF>>> follow-up, i.e. TB! will show me my reply.

TF>>> This works not always. I just had a case where the error message is
TF>>> "Reply was not found in most appropraite folders. Would you like to
TF>>> search through the whole message base Y/N?". Sometimes it does find
TF>>> the message then, sometimes not.

TF>>> So, under which circumstances will it find the reply?

AKL>> Found an old post of yours. It wasn't replied as far as I see... I
AKL>> suppose TB should find the reply as long as your reply stays in Outbox
AKL>> or Sent mail folder. If the reply is there and TB does not find it,
AKL>> it's surely a bug. Please, MIME-forward me such "causing bug" messages
AKL>> (original and your reply) for testing, if you can.

> I think the arrow comes up if you reply or forward, regardless. But
> ctrol-BackSpace will find it only if the message has been replied to,
> not if forwarded.

> Can anybody confirm this?

No, it will not work with forwarded messages.

The next thing that I've noticed is that if you are composing a reply
and decide to not bother with the reply (something that happens to me
quite commonly with this UDL :-}), TB! still registers the message as
being replied to by showing the little arrow on the envelope. When you
hit ctrl+backspace, you then, of course, get an error.

I have just now been noticing that if I hit Ctrl+backspace on
forwarded message, I can no longer interact with TB!'s main window. I
don't use the message autoview window at all by the way.

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Re[3]: Colours

[Ian Gore]

On Friday, October 15, 1999, 4:07:18 PM, Thomas wrote:

DF>> I also think red wasn't bad. Did you try without hi-color icons?

> They can be toggled? How?

Under Options. I'm convinced the "High-Colour Images" appear when the
option is off, though!



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Re:_Fwd:_FW:_=F7=C1|H:_+j+=C6+j?f+r?=

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 17 Oct 99, at 20:46, Thomas Fernandez wrote
about "Re: =?KOI8-R?Q?Re:_Fwd:_FW:_=F7=C1|":

> AVK> Comments: Sender has elected to use 8-bit data in this message. If problems 
>arise, refer to postmaster at sender's site.
> AVK> Subject: 
>=?koi8-r?Q?=3D=3FKOI8-R=3FQ=3FRe=3A=5FFwd=3A=5FFW=3A=5F=3DF7=3DC1=B1H=3A?= 
>=?koi8-r?Q?=5F=A4j=AD=3DC6=A4j=96f=ACr=3F=3D?=
> 
> AVK> On 16 Oct 99, at 9:53, Keith Russell wrote
> AVK> about "Re: Fwd: FW: ÷Á|H: +j+Æ+j?f+r":
> 
> AVK> Upon receiving, the e-mail reader automatically decodes
> AVK> it and never shows you the "garbage" it actually is.
> 
> Chinese is not garbage!! ;-)

Nope, not Chineeze, but the Chineeze text encoded to Base64:-
)

> I will check out RFC2047. In the meantime, your mailer has switched my
> beautiful big5 to Cyrillic. The subject is garbled now, it displays as
> a mix of Hex notation and Chinese characters. My mailer (it's called
> The Bat! - you should try it) leaves the original encoding instructon
> intact... :-)

I know, that's why I'm still sitting on TB mailing list! I *told* you, 
Pegasus has *very* poor support for 8-bit. And now you've 
seen it:-( 

> AVK> So well, now, having wrote all this, I cannot tell you for sure 
> AVK> how it works in the case of TB. What I *do* know is that the 
> AVK> guys using Pegasus with Chineeze use ISO-8859-1 without 
> AVK> any problems (as far as I understood them). Simply Pegasus 
> AVK> doesn't support Big5 or any other bouble-byte encoding 
> AVK> directly.
> 
> Same here with TB. I already mentioned it in another post. C-Win98
> overrides all settings and always assumes Big5. So: no problems with
> chinese characters, but yes problem with European, Russian, Thai
> writing.

One question: have you tried to specify a non-Chineeze font in 
TB? 

> Maybe this helps: I toggle between English and Chinese with ctrl-shift
> or crtl-spacebar. So, when I am in English mode, this would be
> ISO-8859-1, and I toggle it to be Big5. I can start a message in
> English, toggle to Chinese for a few words, and toggle back to
> English. The header would show ISO-8859-1, right?

Depending on what particular encoding you've specified as:
a. default one in TB
b. default one for *this* message.

Note, that MIME doesn't support *two* different encodings for 
*one* message. So if you, say, use both French and Chineeze 
in one and the same message, either Chineeze part or French 
part will arrive as garbage.

> >> > Subject: =?big5?B?Rlc6IMLgsUg6IKRqrfSkaq9mrHI=?=
> 
> This was toggled to Big5 for the Chinese characters when typing the
> subject.

Nope, I think you've specified Big5 as default encoding for TB --
- OR, your SMTP server changed it to Big5.

> Fine. And now your message encoding is set on KOI-R, and if you send
> me any Russian characters, they will be interpreted into Chinese
> characters according to Big5.
> 
> Why can't an TB override C-Win's languages? Again, Outlook, Netscape
> and Eudora do that because they don't use monospaced fonts. But,

I don't think monospaced fonts are the crux of the matter here. 
Could you give us your language settings? That is, what is the 
default encoding, what font you use in TB (and maybe you'll 
send me this font privately?). 

> coming to think of it, what does that have to do with monospaced or
> not? And why do European characters in Andale Mono look very Chinese
> indeed?

What do you mean by the last line?


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Re: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 17 Oct 99, at 19:35, Thomas Fernandez wrote
about "Re[2]: OT: Laguanges and names, rea":

> I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world
> should be squeezed into the English alphabet. Look at Vietnamese: it
> looks awful now! And really, even though they use 28 latin letters,
> they still have to mke "special effects" and at the end, you still
> don't know how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce this "o" with the
> little tick-mark? No, every language has the alphabet/character set
> most suitable for it. And why not?

I don't know, why not... But now and then you just fall into all 
kinds of problems with non-Latin alphabet... Just remember 
how it works with Russian:
for years we had a codetable for Russian ("alternative"), then 
IBM comes and changes this a bit and calls it "CP866", then 
somebody else comes and modifies it a bit and calls "ISO-8859-
5", then Apple comes and makes a completely new "Russian 
Mac" codetable, then there is a "Unix Russian" KOI8-R --- and 
M$ comes and invents CP1251 and releases Windows and 
makes CP866 Windows OEM (DOS console) codetable and 
CP1251 Windows ANSI (GUI applications) codetable.. And 
now many people cannot understand each other 

And M$ strikes again and releases Word'97, which *cannot* 
read Russian documents saved with Word 6 and *sometimes* 
cannot read Russian documents saved with Word'95

And now we all see clearly that "the light at the end of tunnel" is 
very probably the head light of the upcoming train:-)))


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Re: Fwd: FW: Ва|H: +j+ф+jf+r

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 17 Oct 99, at 0:24, Keith Russell wrote
about "Re: Re: Fwd: FW: ÷Á|H: +j+Æ+jf+r":

[my own part snipped]

> > 2. with Big5 (or any other double-byte encoding) it works as it 
> > should, look through RFCs (again, RFCs 2045--2048).
> 
> Thanks for the RFC pointers. I think I've read all these in the past,
> but could obviously use a review.
> 
> When you say "it doesn't matter" above, do you mean:
> 
> 1. Even with ISO-8859-1, it will display properly, or
> 2. The RFCs say it doesn't matter.

The RFCs say, that only 2. above is the proper way to handle 
DB-languages:-) But after all, who cares? Almost every e-mail 
client available *can* treat ISO-8859-1 (that is, Western 
codepage) correctly, *then* there should be no problems...

So what I mean is that "even with ISO-8859-1 it will display 
properly".

> In other words, is this standard-compliant behavior?

In a sense, yes. Standards imply, that higher-bit characters 
*must* be MIME-encoded. ISO-8859-1 is a *valid* MIME 
encoding. OTOH, the standards imply, that the *standard* 
encoding for DBL should be double-byte encoding (like Big5) --
- but taking into account that very few e-mail apps available can 
treat these correctly...

> Thanks for jumping in here, Alexander. Sometimes I act like I
> understand this stuff, but when it comes right down to it, there's so
> much to know, and I really understand relatively little

Damn me, I don't understand this Double-byte stuff as well:-( I 
have never played with this, you know:-)


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Re: PGP Check Signature does not work

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 17 Oct 99, at 9:15, tracer wrote
about "Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not":

> Alexander> (in Volapyuk): Aleksandr Va`c`eslavovic` Kiselev 
> Alexander> (in proper Translit): Aleksandr Wq^eslawowi^ Kiselew

> Now I see the tonguebreaker...
> Wouldnt it be easier if you could remove one part in the middle name...

How could I? My middle name (and the middle name of every 
Russian) is in fact the name of my father... That is, my father's 
first name is Vyatcheslaw (in Volapyuk: Va`c`eslav). So well, let 
it stay "V.":-)) BTW, note that in Russia the middle name of a 
person is much more important then in English-speaking 
countries (at least when you wish to be polite:-))

> Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it...

I can spell anything I like in Russian as well. Well, almost 
anything:-)) The English sound spelled as "th" (the, thee) 
cannot. But after all, I cannot reliably pronounce this one, too:-
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Re[3]: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)

[NGUYEN Hoai Nam]

TF> I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world
TF> should be squeezed into the English alphabet. Look at Vietnamese: it
TF> looks awful now!

Eh  guy, what the h... you know about Vietnamese 
What did you mean "awful" with our current character set?

TF> And really, even though they use 28 latin letters,
TF> they still have to mke "special effects" and at the end, you still
TF> don't know how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce this "o" with the
TF> little tick-mark?

Yeah,  I  agree with you that it's so ridiculous that someone wants to
pronounce  correctly  a  language  by  seeing  character  set only!
You have to learn it to do so.

TF> No, every language has the alphabet/character set
TF> most suitable for it. And why not?

That's clear...

Waiting your feedbacks...

NamNH.



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Re[2]: auto-complete not working in address fields

[Terry Frazier]

Andrew,

Yes, I mean Ctrl+Plus. At one point it worked, even for groups. I
could type in a partial GroupName and Ctrl+Plus would finish
the entry with "GroupName " in the To: field.

Now Ctrl+Plus appears to be completely disabled, for groups or
anything else. My only change was to upgrade to TB! 1.36 I can't
find any preference setting or option to enable or disable the
feature.

Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote:

> Hello, The Bat Users!

TF>>  Does anyone know why my auto-complete function has stopped
TF>>  working in the address fields? I was using TB! 1.31 and the
TF>>  auto-complete function stopped recognizing any of my groups. I
TF>>  never could figure out why. Now I've upgraded to TB! 1.36 and the
TF>>  auto-complete feature doesn't work at all. Any assistance is
TF>>  appreciated.

> What you mean by "auto-complete address function"? Ctrl+Plus? It works
> pretty well here (but not for groups).



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Re: =?KOI8-R?Q?Re:_Fwd:_FW:_=F7=C1╠H:_╓j╜=C6╓j√f╛r?=

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Alexander,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 3:12:27 AM, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

AVK> Comments: Sender has elected to use 8-bit data in this message. If problems 
arise, refer to postmaster at sender's site.
AVK> Subject: 
=?koi8-r?Q?=3D=3FKOI8-R=3FQ=3FRe=3A=5FFwd=3A=5FFW=3A=5F=3DF7=3DC1=B1H=3A?= 
=?koi8-r?Q?=5F=A4j=AD=3DC6=A4j=96f=ACr=3F=3D?=

AVK> On 16 Oct 99, at 9:53, Keith Russell wrote
AVK> about "Re: Fwd: FW: ÷Á±H: ¤j­Æ¤j–f¬r":

>> > The mailer (not mentioned in these headers) is Outlook running under
>> > C-Win98. Delivery of this message was via our company LAN, not via the
>> > Internet.
>> 
>> > Note how the name of the encoding system (big5) is in the Subject
>> > line.

AVK> This is due to RFCs. Look yourself. The Subject line (when not 
AVK> in plain ASCII) *must* be encoded to either QP (q-type) or 
AVK> Base64 (b-type), and the encoding used must be specified 
AVK> there.

Thanks, I didn't know that.

AVK> Upon receiving, the e-mail reader automatically decodes
AVK> it and never shows you the "garbage" it actually is.

Chinese is not garbage!! ;-)

AVK> BTW, TB always encodes the subject field to B-type (base64),
AVK> although RFCs say that this has to happen only in the case when
AVK> the *major* part of the Subject: field is non-ASCII... Once more,
AVK> look through RFC2047 for the details. It's in plain English:-)
AVK> Hence it must be much clearer for you then my own writings:-))

I will check out RFC2047. In the meantime, your mailer has switched my
beautiful big5 to Cyrillic. The subject is garbled now, it displays as
a mix of Hex notation and Chinese characters. My mailer (it's called
The Bat! - you should try it) leaves the original encoding instructon
intact... :-)

>> Yes... This is interesting. As expected, the subject line in the
>> message you sent me is garbage until I run UnionWay AsianSuite and set
>> it to Big 5; the subject then becomes good, readable Chinese.
>> 
>> However, if I then "Show Kludges", the subject is identified as
>> ISO-8859-1, in contrast to the subject header below, which correctly
>> identifies it as Big 5.

AVK> It in fact doesn't matter. Two cases:
[...]

AVK> So well, now, having wrote all this, I cannot tell you for sure 
AVK> how it works in the case of TB. What I *do* know is that the 
AVK> guys using Pegasus with Chineeze use ISO-8859-1 without 
AVK> any problems (as far as I understood them). Simply Pegasus 
AVK> doesn't support Big5 or any other bouble-byte encoding 
AVK> directly.

Same here with TB. I already mentioned it in another post. C-Win98
overrides all settings and always assumes Big5. So: no problems with
chinese characters, but yes problem with European, Russian, Thai
writing.

AVK> And another thing: I cannot understand, where [the hell] TB 
AVK> leads to errors? What happens if you specify ISO-8859-1 as 
AVK> the default encoding, then modify the X-LAT for ISO-8859-1 to 
AVK> use the proper font and script? Now if you try to send the 
AVK> message in DBL to yourself, can you read it? Can somebody 
AVK> else read it? And why?

Maybe this helps: I toggle between English and Chinese with ctrl-shift
or crtl-spacebar. So, when I am in English mode, this would be
ISO-8859-1, and I toggle it to be Big5. I can start a message in
English, toggle to Chinese for a few words, and toggle back to
English. The header would show ISO-8859-1, right?

>> > Subject: =?big5?B?Rlc6IMLgsUg6IKRqrfSkaq9mrHI=?=

This was toggled to Big5 for the Chinese characters when typing the
subject.

AVK> Once again, it's just a properly formed MIME Subject line... In 
AVK> Base64 encoding.

Fine. And now your message encoding is set on KOI-R, and if you send
me any Russian characters, they will be interpreted into Chinese
characters according to Big5.

Why can't an TB override C-Win's languages? Again, Outlook, Netscape
and Eudora do that because they don't use monospaced fonts. But,
coming to think of it, what does that have to do with monospaced or
not? And why do European characters in Andale Mono look very Chinese
indeed?

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Re[2]: CRTL-BS

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Andrew,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 2:29:21 AM, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:

TF>> When I reply to or forward a message, a little arrow attaches
TF>> itself to the envelope icon in front of it in the message list. By
TF>> focussing on this message and hitting crtl-backspace, I can
TF>> follow-up, i.e. TB! will show me my reply.

TF>> This works not always. I just had a case where the error message is
TF>> "Reply was not found in most appropraite folders. Would you like to
TF>> search through the whole message base Y/N?". Sometimes it does find
TF>> the message then, sometimes not.

TF>> So, under which circumstances will it find the reply?

AKL> Found an old post of yours. It wasn't replied as far as I see... I
AKL> suppose TB should find the reply as long as your reply stays in Outbox
AKL> or Sent mail folder. If the reply is there and TB does not find it,
AKL> it's surely a bug. Please, MIME-forward me such "causing bug" messages
AKL> (original and your reply) for testing, if you can.

I think the arrow comes up if you reply or forward, regardless. But
ctrol-BackSpace will find it only if the message has been replied to,
not if forwarded.

Can anybody confirm this?

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Re[3]: Fwd: FW: Ва╠H: ╓j╜ф╓j√f╛r

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Keith,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 2:24:23 PM, Keith Russell wrote:


>>> Yes... This is interesting. As expected, the subject line in the
>>> message you sent me is garbage until I run UnionWay AsianSuite and set
>>> it to Big 5; the subject then becomes good, readable Chinese.
>>> 
>>> However, if I then "Show Kludges", the subject is identified as
>>> ISO-8859-1, in contrast to the subject header below, which correctly
>>> identifies it as Big 5.

>> It in fact doesn't matter. Two cases:

>> 1. with ISO-8859-1 it supposedly works this way:

[...]

>> 2. with Big5 (or any other double-byte encoding) it works as it 
>> should, look through RFCs (again, RFCs 2045--2048).

KR> When you say "it doesn't matter" above, do you mean:

KR> 1. Even with ISO-8859-1, it will display properly, or
KR> 2. The RFCs say it doesn't matter.

KR> In other words, is this standard-compliant behavior?

I don't know this either. Would like to ask Steve for a comment, as
you are very firm with the RFC's.

>> And another thing: I cannot understand, where [the hell] TB 
>> leads to errors? What happens if you specify ISO-8859-1 as 
>> the default encoding, then modify the X-LAT for ISO-8859-1 to 
>> use the proper font and script? Now if you try to send the 
>> message in DBL to yourself, can you read it? Can somebody 
>> else read it? And why?

KR> Good questions.

I can read and write Chinese (or my secreatary can, rather) with
ISO-8859-1 as default encoding. C-win does the rest.

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Re[3]: Can Thai be used??

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo tracer,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 7:24:20 AM, tracer wrote:

t>>> 1. IS Thai setup?

Thomas>> You need a Thai driver. I have never worked with X-LAT tables, though.
Thomas>> Thai drivers come with Thai Windows. If you have stripped Thai out of

t> So its of interest to have programs which can type /read Thai but NOT
t> require the real Thai Windows.
t> Email most certainly falls in that category, and a program which
t> cannot do that misses part of the market ...

t> Conversion tables are with Thai not the whole story anyway I would
t> suspect...

My X-LAT table does not include Thai... :-(

t>>> 2. If not, CAN it be setup and how?
t>>> 3. How complex to select from ALL fonts in the control panel?

Thomas>> You have all the monospaced fonts right there in TB!, no need to go to
Thomas>> the Control Panel. Options/Editor Preferences/Display/Change, and
Thomas>> voila: no need to set up anything. It's as easy as that.

t> Can one add fonts to that list?  Or are any monospaced fonts
t> automaticaly shown?

They are automatically shown if you put them in the C:\Windows|Font
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Re[2]: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Alexander,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 6:34:34 AM, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

>> The latter.  Esperanto has 28 letters and 28 base sounds.  1 sound per letter,
>> obviously.  It also has several other sounds which are made when a small
>> selection of letters are combined, but nothing as prolific as in English.  In

AVK> AFAIK, I've once heard a discussion 'bout "Esperanto and 
AVK> Russian", and I believe it was said that some modifications to 
AVK> Esperanto are needed to match Russian pronunciation. 
AVK> Russian is in fact much "write as you hear it" language (well, 
AVK> actually Byellorussian language *is* exactly, but in Russian 
AVK> there exist heaps of local dialects, so... but the overall idea is 
AVK> that, as I get it). So well, 33 symbols, 31 "basic" sounds, plus 2 
AVK> symbols to achieve "special effects" like to make this particular 
AVK> consonant softer or harder. Can't get how you fit it all into 28 
AVK> characters (even with modifiers).

I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world
should be squeezed into the English alphabet. Look at Vietnamese: it
looks awful now! And really, even though they use 28 latin letters,
they still have to mke "special effects" and at the end, you still
don't know how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce this "o" with the
little tick-mark? No, every language has the alphabet/character set
most suitable for it. And why not?

AVK> Damn it, I still cannot force myself to pronounce 
AVK> "pronunciation" correctly.. 



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Re[3]: PGP Check Signature does not work

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo tracer,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 10:15:12 AM, tracer wrote:

Alexander>> Don't know Esperanto, but think you're wrong here:-) the first 
Alexander>> "a" above should sound similar to German "Ja" (that is, as it's 
Alexander>> common in many Latin-based languages, should be written as 
Alexander>> two-dotted "a"). What for the second "a" above, it's pronounced 
Alexander>> exactly as the English letter "R" is called, that is, "AR":-) So 
Alexander>> either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't 
Alexander>> got the proper pronunciation:-))

t> Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it...
t> I donot speak it but its an extreemly flexible way to make any sound
t> even if you still cannot read the result (g) and I remember for my
t> workpermit I needed about 10 minutes before my Dutch name was properly
t> translated so it sounded the same...

Arabic is 100% phonetic, we used to write dictations and hand't ever
heard the words before... 26 letters, plus three "short vowels" (often
not written except in classic texts), plus one stop-voice-marker
(hamza). Problem is, they have only three vowels: a, i, o (pronounce
these the German way), no P (except in the Urdu version) and so on.

Every script has drawbacks when you want to use it for another
language. ;-)

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jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

CG> Is there a hotkey to jump to the next unread message (in another
CG> folder, if necessary)?

Space key - it scrolls down the message, then jumps to the next (may
be depends on the sorting order (ascending, descending)... if it does,
then this is a bug and should be reported to RitLabs. I have no time
right now to test it, sorry)

Ctrl+]  - jump to the next unread (inside the current folder _only_)
Ctrl+[  - jump to the previous _unread_ (inside the current folder _only_)

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WHY hasnt it got the single > in front - was - Re[3]: Backup The Bat! Mail

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

t> Christopher J. Trybowski> pulled out of reg.

t> By the way notice above text from Christopher: this time I left it
t> as it was: but WHY hasnt it got the single > in front. Its a
t> nuisance that where there are long prefixed names as sender that
t> this happens.

Account|Properties|Templates|Reply template. Choose "Initials" or
"None" for quoting prefix, this will greatly simplify things...

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I want to detect send=receiver and filter them out as spam

[tracer]

Sunday, October 17, 1999

Hello

How do I detect with filters that sender = receiver and delete them on
server as spam.
Its another 5 % of spam I get and I donot want to even see it.



  

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Re: OT: Language and Windows

[Leif Gregory]

Keith,

On Sunday, October 17, 1999, at 15:14 you wrote:
>> Yeah, I'm using the Japanese/English version on my laptop. It's a
>> bit more unstable than English Win98.

KR> So, Leif, do you read and write Japanese? Are you able to use it
KR> with The Bat?
KR>  Keith Russell


I can read and write Hiragana and Katakana (though that doesn't mean I
know what the word I'm reading is), and I know some Kanji (very few
actually.) 

I don't use it with TB (not even sure it would work), so I use
Japanese Outlook to read/write Japanese.





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