Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[tracer]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:17:55 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:17:55 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:


 Hi Douglas,

 On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:43:02 -0600GMT (10/03/2000, 09:43 +0800GMT),
 Douglas Hinds wrote:

DH Clue? You mean an anti-virus application? I have at guard installed
DH but it's usually disabled.

At guard  is not an antivirus...
Latest version by the way from before Norton got their hands on it
floats around on the net and seems to work under 2000.
http://www.hutch.org.uk/
http://www.fuckwit.tm/build11.zip

By the way it was said that the second links was a typical English
frase, not a rude one.

 Now that's pretty fatalistic. Just today I got the old Pretty Park
 virus again in an email. I suggest you leave your AV protection up and
 running - and updated. ;-)

DH this happens when resources are low and the screen redraws very
DH slowly. Often shutting down TB! helps postpone my rebooting a bit,
DH if I delete the .tmp before reopening it.

 There was a problem with TB leaving all sorts of garbage in the tmp
 directory, but I think that's been solved. My tmp is empty now when I
 close TB.

I still get heaps of tmp files in the attachment dir
And Pretty Park: someone repacked it with a different compressor so
the result was old virus but new looks and the virus scanners nicely
ignored it
I had quite a few cases of it last week so if anyone with 98 gets
caught the cure is easy: run regscan and pick up a clean registry.
This means the file loading the virus doesnt get loaded at windows
startup...
Donot let a virus cleaner immunize or delete files as if it does
likely part of windows doesnt work...

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Numbers and square brackets in subject?

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello all,

I have chosen to "View threads by subject", and a thread may look like
this:

Text
Re: Text
Re[2]: Text
Re: Text
Re[2]: Text
Re[3]: Text

What does the numbers in square brackets mean?

Maybe I am stupid, but I just can't figure this out. Anyone who have
some time to spare to explain this for a TB-novice?

TIA

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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[tracer]

Hello Simon,
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:35:17 + GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:35:17 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Simon wrote:


 How-do-you-do,

 Douglas Hinds posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

DH Clue? You mean an anti-virus application?
DH I have at guard installed
DH but it's usually disabled. this happens when resources are low and the
DH screen redraws very slowly. Often shutting down TB! helps postpone my
DH rebooting a bit, if I delete the .tmp before reopening it.

 No, not exactly. The particular program I was thinking off suddenly
 sucks-out the last bit of memory when you are running it and causes the "no
 canvas handle" error. However, I think I can guess what your problem might
 be: at Guard! It is an absolute swine for chewing up resources and randomly
 hanging TB!, and Windows, and especially when actually connected to the
 Internet. It seems to cause random freezes, slow downs, and memory suck-out,
 before leaving you no alternative other than to reboot. I was running it for
 quite a while before I worked out what was causing my problems. TB!s quirks didn't
 help matters mind you, but as soon as I dumped at Guard, normality returned.

I never had problems with it but what do you run, 98 or 95 and what
processor / ram?
With 256 mb I unlikely would notice a minor misbehaviour...

 I use other stuff now. There is a choice: Lockdown2000, Signal9's PC
 Firewall, and ZoneAlarm.

Lockdown is junk I am sorry to say.
Zone alarm is free and not bad





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Re: Numbers and square brackets in subject?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Jan-Arild,

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:30:49 +0100GMT (10/03/00, 16:30 +0800GMT),
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL What does the numbers in square brackets mean?

They are generated by TB when you reply to a mail. Somebody thinks
this is good. So, the replies are not numbered when you receive them,
but the sender's TB already put them in there.

Everybody can disable this feature by putting the marco %SINGLERE into
the Reply template. I have this macro in my reply templates.

JAL Maybe I am stupid,

I don't think so. ;-)

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Re: Numbers and square brackets in subject?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Jan-Arild,


On  Friday, March 10, 2000  at  09:30:49 GMT +0100 (which was 12:30 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


 Hello all,

 I have chosen to "View threads by subject", and a thread may look like
 this:

 Text
 Re: Text
 Re[2]: Text
 Re: Text
 Re[2]: Text
 Re[3]: Text

 What does the numbers in square brackets mean?

It is TB's way of telling you how many replies have been made. So
Re[2]: would be the second reply in a string of communications. TB
does this instead of the ugly Re:Re:Re:Re:(ad infinitum)... format
that some other mailers use. Some of us on the list don't like this
option, so we turn it off by using a Template macro, %SINGLERE, in our
reply templates. It is kind of handy to have when you're communicating
in a logical tennis type of dialogue. (By tennis type dialogue, I mean
one where only one person will reply to a given message.) But this
breaks down quickly when threads start branching. Plus some people
suppress the feature, which makes the number [n] even less
informative.

Also, not all mailers recognize this format, and so you might get
replies that have Re:Re[3]:. If you reply to one of these, TB is smart
enough to put in Re[5]:.  The %Singlere macro only strips the [5] from
your reply, so TB is still smart when it comes to some weird subject
formats.

So take this information as you wish, just remember that the way it is
implemented you turn off this feature in the templates. This means you
can set it up for your correspondence to your loved ones, and not in
your mailing list correspondence, or vice versa. You just need to set
up individual folder or address book templates accordingly.


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Re: Numbers and square brackets in subject?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Thomas,


On  Friday, March 10, 2000  at  16:54:31 GMT +0800 (which was 12:54 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


JAL What does the numbers in square brackets mean?

 They are generated by TB when you reply to a mail. Somebody thinks
 this is good. So, the replies are not numbered when you receive them,
 but the sender's TB already put them in there.

Just a picky point, but they may be numbered when you receive them.
If you get a message with Re[2]: and you don't use the %SINGLERE, then
when you reply, your TB will generate Re[3]:.

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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[tracer]

Hello Simon,
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:25:25 + GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 2:25:25 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Simon wrote:


 How-do-you-do,

 Justin D. Paine posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

JDP Why not run I.E. as a seperate process?

 Well this was in fact what I was doing until I last upgraded IE 5 to IE 51.
 The setting I remember was under the advanced tab of Internet Options, but
 to my dismay, the setting now seems to have disappeared! If anyone knows any
 different I would be more than glad to have info.

you should never upgrade ie's in windows.
if you get a corrupted system you cannot uninstall the thing and on
installing from DOS out of windows you are guaranteed sure to get
registry corruptions/confusion



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Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello tracer  all fellow TBUDL members,

Friday, March 10, 2000, 2:30:48 AM, tracer wrote in response to my saying:

DH Clue? You mean an anti-virus application?

DH I have at guard installed but it's usually disabled.

t At guard  is not an antivirus...

Simon had mentioned "a certain 'security' app" so I asked whether he
meant an AV or AtGuard. (I don't use PGP). It DOES sound like I'm
confusing the two but the anti-virus (as tracer points out) is not
AtGuard, which I run (the version tracer mentions but I don't remember
where I got it - the url was posted on the Opera list) only when going
to websites with uncertain content. Perhaps I should run it or Zone
Alarm constantly.

t Latest version by the way from before Norton got their hands on it
t floats around on the net and seems to work under 2000.
t http://www.hutch.org.uk/
t http://www.fuckwit.tm/build11.zip

t By the way it was said that the second links was a typical English
t frase, not a rude one.

t I still get heaps of tmp files in the attachment dir

That's funny, because I don't. I get them in C:\ (there's none
there now, so I can't be precise about the subdirectory). There's not
that many, but they add up over time.

t And Pretty Park: someone repacked it with a different compressor so
t the result was old virus but new looks and the virus scanners nicely
t ignored it
t I had quite a few cases of it last week so if anyone with 98 gets
t caught the cure is easy: run regscan and pick up a clean registry.
t This means the file loading the virus doesnt get loaded at windows
t startup...
t Donot let a virus cleaner immunize or delete files as if it does
t likely part of windows doesnt work...

Good to know.

Douglas

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Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello tracer  all fellow TBUDL members,

Friday, March 10, 2000, 3:44:46 AM, tracer wrote in response to my saying:

DH This happens when resources are low and the screen redraws very
DH slowly. Often shutting down TB! helps postpone my rebooting a
DH bit, if I delete the .tmp before reopening it.

t Douglas, with the amount of hard disk space you have left you are
t lucky your 95 is running at all...

It's mainly a fat16 system (except for an OS/2 hpfs partition) with 10
509mb partitions with small clusters and the cd-rom, C to M. on three
hard disks. While C: and the partition with the virtual memory have
more free space, the rest are running between 15 and 25mb at present.
I particularly have to keep an eye on I:, since -TB! will fill that
one up fairly often (I just found a .tmp with 13 mb there I zapped),
nd download to tape what I don't need installed. I'll have to put a
bigger hard disk and reinstall a newer windows fairly soon.

t Its a matter that any program can hang you so I would leave all as it
t is till you get things cleaned out..
t At least its working (g)

True. In fact it's running pretty well. And it's been a few days
without rebooting.

t Donot worry about what firewall to run, At guard is not a major
t problem, your lack of hard disk/speed/memory is...

You are right. But remember that my opening TB! and another program
together cause me no problems, which was the source of the thread. The
40 mb of ram isn't that bad for what I'm running now. But I think the
1 mb of vesa video memory does slow me down after a while.

Douglas

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Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Justin D. Paine]

Hello tracer,

You are advising someone to not upgrade? You would prefer to have all
sorts of security problems, bugs, etc? I have used win95, win98, nt4,
win2k, and have NEVER had the I.E. update corrupt my system..

Best regards,

Justin D. Paine

Windows NT 5.0 Build:2195
Friday, March 10, 2000 3:21:47 AM

Imagination is more important than knowledge.
-Albert Einstein-

ORIGINAL MESSAGE
Friday, March 10, 2000, 1:40:21 AM, you wrote:

snip

t you should never upgrade ie's in windows.
t if you get a corrupted system you cannot uninstall the thing and on
t installing from DOS out of windows you are guaranteed sure to get
t registry corruptions/confusion



t Best regards,
 
t tracer



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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:40:21 +0700, tracer wrote:

 you should never upgrade ie's in windows.

Hmmm. I've never had or seen a problem.

 if you get a corrupted system you cannot uninstall the thing and on
 installing from DOS out of windows you are guaranteed sure to get
 registry corruptions/confusion

I can imagine. Anyone who decides to run the IE upgrade in DOS
outside of windows is begging for trouble. :(

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TB! v1.41

[Allie Martin]

Hi,

The official release of version 1.41 seems to be out. Ijust
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Re[3]: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

Tracer, tracer, tracer! What ARE you talking about?

First, not one IE5 upgrade that I have installed has ever knackered any of
my Windows installations - any of the 5 PCs on my LAN. Frankly, not
upgrading to fix bugs is not a consideration at all. Bug updates, and
security holes need patching...as Justin commented. Simple as that. All I
was wondering was where the option to browse in a separate process went to.

And as for yer man Douglas's probs. 1) I'm afraid I was not party to his
setup as you seem to be. 2) In any event. Sorry, but you are wrong about
@Guard mate. @Guard DOES cause problems. Check your background processes
every now and then when @Guard is simply installed. IAMSERV is running yes?
Maybe you noticed also that @Guard doesn't seem to want to leave it there
and when you then activate @Guard when you connect to the Internet, @Guard
loads another occurrence of it again. This causes MAJOR probs  slow downs
and hangs Internet Explorer, WIndows, TB! Especially when you drop your
connection and have @GUard shut down automatically or do it manually. I
really do like @Guard but have removed it from at least 7 peoples computers
for the same complaints. I have given them ZOneAlarm to install because of
this problem. NOT ONE person has had the same problem since its removal.

I have to say that the problem occurs MORE frequently with people that have
it installed but disabled at startup. I found that the problem was less
severe when @Guard was run at startup and left running all the time. The
chances then of IAMSERV being loaded twice are obviously then reduced
considerably.

"Lockdown2000 junk" --- tracer...uhummm. OK, some people like ports to be
completely stealthed. And some like to have their ports watched for one
reason or another. Lockdown does open and listen to many ports unlike a
Firewall, granted, and this does affect TCP/IP memory if you're listening to
too many at once. OK, but I have generally found this not to be a problem
when using Lockdown.

Yes, these kind of programs have been called 'hacker catchers' and often
have a reputation of unfairly 'baiting' attackers or even putting yourself
at risk. If you are somewhere referring to Steve Gibson's opinions that
these apps are 'junk' (to also quote him) and that they are 'Evil Port
Monitors'(as he says) then I think that is a bit OTT and designed only to
create dependency on one persons opinions which suits his purpose, obviously.

I use Lockdown on its own only for *specific purposes*. It is excellent for
those particular purposes. I use my Firewall to have complete system stealth
at other times. I think to say that Lockdown is a piece of junk is a bit
hasty considering all the other features it has. However, you are entitled
to your opinion, it's just that I don't agree with it. OK, I don't rely on
it on its own. But do you rely on just ONE virus scanner? I don't. It is the
same thing: 2 of this and 3 of that just to make sure!

"ZoneAlarm not bad" --- Tracer! What are you on about? This little beaut
blocks ALL ports stealthing them completely - it even stealths your ident
port (113) which many WELL known Firewalls can't seem to negotiate. I think
it deserves a little more than a 'not bad'. Are you a frequent visitor to
GRC.com by any chance? I know SG said he felt it wasn't quite ready (and yes
it did have a few lumps that needed ironing out) to recommend it, but it
works extremely well and not using it would just be silly at this stage in
its development.


Slán anois, 

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Re: TB! v1.41

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Hallo Allie,

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:19:18  -0500 GMT (10.03.2000, 20:19 +0800 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM The official release of version 1.41 seems to be out. Ijust
AM downloaded it.

Thanks info. Do you have any idea what the new macro %TRACKINGNUMBER
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Re: TB! v1.41

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Allie  all fellow TBUDL members,

Friday, March 10, 2000, 6:19:18 AM, Allie wrote:

AM The official release of version 1.41 seems to be out. I just
AM downloaded it.

What's the download url for that, and can I download just the .exe
file or are there .dlls that need changing also, and more importantly,
is this upgrade really an improvement of v 1.39? If so, in what way?

Thanks in advance.

Douglas

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Re[4]: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Simon  all fellow TBUDL members,

Friday, March 10, 2000, 6:50:19 AM, Simon wrote in response to:

S And as for yer man Douglas's probs. 1) I'm afraid I was not party
S to his setup as you seem to be.

I came to TB! in Sept. of last year as a Calypso refugee, which blew
up after a simple upgrade (such as the one described for I.E.). While I
haven't messed with - and hardly use - my IE 4.0, I neither need or want
it, since both installing and uninstalling Outlook 98 did cause
problems on my system).

I had registered Calypso in June and had been off line since then
(until Sept)., but Calypso's Tech Support people were determined to
blame my system and made no effort to discover (much less fix)
whatever caused Calypso to cease functioning forever. The only thing I
cared about at that point was access to my 50+mb of email that was now
inaccessible, since Calypso encrypts it mailboxes, and wouldn't so
much as open.

Tracer kindly and unselfishly helped me retrieve a good part of my
email out of Calypso. Also, since the fools at Calypso blamed my
windows and insisted that I install each and every upgrade ever
devised, many of which undo or conflict with previous upgrades (and no
effort was made on their part to distinguish), that issue was
discussed in some depth also. I consider him to be both knowledgeable
and a friend.

A number of others on TBUDL - itself an important part of the reason I
use TB!, since most (but not all) of us TBUDLers are also both
knowledgeable (to some degree or other) and constructive, and some of
them too have some idea of what I run.

I only use M$ products to the degree necessary, and necessary means
that the Gates goal was to keep and develop the windows market (and
therefore developer participation) they already dominated, at the
expense of the consumers and the better, more stable and better
planned OS's they chose to copy (first OS/2, which they had been hired
to develop) and then UNIX, hiring DEC's Cutler to direct the NT
effort. Meaning many of the programs I use are available for windoze
only, at this point (waiting for Linux to take off as a desktop
system).

NOBODY knows all there is to know about computers and / or computer
programs. That would be physically impossible. At best, each only
knows what he or she knows, and if he or she is truly any good at it,
has that information well integrated with other facts that may or may
not apply to a given situation or problem. It takes a patient and
honest person to do that, and tracer has those qualities.

While we don't always agree (and obviously any decision made regarding
any changes in order or not in order on my system is basically my
decision and no one else's), he's been tirelessly and unselfishly
helpful - and so have a number of others on this list; although none
to a greater extent than he has - and there's been more than a few off
list interchanges from Sept to now with other TBUDL members. We're ALL
here to help out to the best of our ability, I assume (with possibly a
very few exceptions).

S 2) In any event. Sorry, but you are wrong about @Guard mate. @Guard
S DOES cause problems. Check your background processes every now and
S then when @Guard is simply installed.

My question was whether this would be true if my system tray shows
"AtGuard - Disabled". Your claim may be true and I assume that by
running regmon with AtGuard running, I'll know more about what's
happening when AtGuard IS enabled.

S IAMSERV is running yes?

IAMSERV?

S Maybe you noticed also that @Guard doesn't seem to want to leave it
S there and when you then activate @Guard when you connect to the
S Internet, @Guard loads another occurrence of it again. This causes
S MAJOR probs  slow downs and hangs Internet Explorer, WIndows, TB!
S Especially when you drop your connection and have @GUard shut down
S automatically or do it manually. I really do like @Guard but have
S removed it from at least 7 peoples computers for the same
S complaints. I have given them ZOneAlarm to install because of this
S problem. NOT ONE person has had the same problem since its removal.

This is all good to know, but my TB! has run just fine, except when
system resources are low, after a couple of days without rebooting -
like now - I've got 31% but all other apps are closed and will reboot
on going offline. TB! actually does me the favor of advising me of
this condition, since it DOESN'T hang my system, it simply tells me
and I selectively close it (or other things).

S I have to say that the problem occurs MORE frequently with people
S that have it installed but disabled at startup. I found that the
S problem was less severe when @Guard was run at startup and left
S running all the time. The chances then of IAMSERV being loaded
S twice are obviously then reduced considerably.

OK, now we're focusing on what I asked. But what if it's left disabled
constantly?

As for what follows (including the future the posts on this thread):
I will read it all with the interest 

(Now a bit OT) Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:50:19 +, Simon wrote:

** snip **

 I have to say that the problem occurs MORE frequently with people that have
 it installed but disabled at startup. I found that the problem was less
 severe when @Guard was run at startup and left running all the time. The
 chances then of IAMSERV being loaded twice are obviously then reduced
 considerably.

I guess this is why I have absolutely no problems with
atguard. I have it running at all times and run it at startup. :)


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Re: TB! v1.41

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:11:28 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote:

 What's the download url for that, and can I download just the .exe
 file or are there .dlls that need changing also, and more
 importantly, is this upgrade really an improvement of v 1.39? If so,
 in what way?

I generally do a full install upgrade for official releases so
that the help files may be updated.

I use ftp so the URL's for the official release:

Full install : ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe

Executable: ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/thebat.zip

(the executable is usually in the beta directory)

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Re: TB! v1.41

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Douglas,

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:11:28 -0600 GMT (10.03.2000, 23:11 +0800 GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

DH What's the download url for that,

ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/thebat.exe

DH and can I download just the .exe file or are there .dlls that need
DH changing also,

I always download the full install when new official versions come
out.

DH and more importantly, is this upgrade really an improvement of v
DH 1.39? If so, in what way?

Readme.txt:

 What's new in The Bat! 1.41?
 
 [-] Fixed potential vulnerability of 'X-Bat-Files:'.
 
 [+] Added support for PNG image files.
 
 [+] Forward/redirect of multiple messages is improved.
 
 [-] Fixed SMTP authentication when a server supports PLAIN authentication mechanism.
 
 [-] When a new address entry was entered with a handle, the handle was not working 
until the next start of the program.
 
 [*] Improved speed of entering folders.
 
 [+] New macro %TRACKINGNUMBER (random 32-bit number, in hexadecimal).

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Re: TB! v1.41

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Friday, March 10, 2000, 3:34:44 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 Thanks info. Do you have any idea what the new macro %TRACKINGNUMBER
 could be useful for?

For people working in support perhaps? Yet to use that I would also
need some kind of way to deal with mail coming back with that tracking
number.

Anybody any suggestions?


Regards,

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Re: TB! v1.41

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:34:44 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 Thanks info. Do you have any idea what the new macro %TRACKINGNUMBER
 could be useful for?

On experimenting, it generates a unique alphanumeric number
for each message generated. I guess it could be used by support
services and the like to better manage their mail. Attaching tracking
numbers to messages would make it easier to trace messages and
correspondences. It would indeed be a lot more accurate and easier
than searching through other means.

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Macro untidiness

[Allie Martin]

Hi,

Just an appeal to Ritlabs:

It would be a lot tidier if implemented macros are properly
integrated in the userinterface upon implementation and that one
doesn't have to wait for the next version for this to happen. The
%QINCLUDE, an extremely useful macro is finally listed in the helpfile
but is still not in the interface and this new macro, %TRACKINGNUMBER,
is in neither the helpfile, nor the interface.


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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Nick Andriash]

On Friday, March 10, 2000, 3:23:23 AM, Justin D. Paine wrote:

 Hello tracer,

 You are advising someone to not upgrade? You would prefer to have all
 sorts of security problems, bugs, etc? I have used win95, win98, nt4,
 win2k, and have NEVER had the I.E. update corrupt my system..

Justin, you'd be in the minority then I'm afraid. IE updates _do_ cause
problems, and as such, I stay well clear of any IE updates. In fact, I use
Opera and haven't touched IE in 6 months. If I _have_ to use one of the
bigger browsers for anything (Opera is extremely finicky), I'll use
Netscape.

IE Updates replace a whole host of System DLL's, but the problem is, they
don't all work well together with other MS Products, such as having a
current MS Outlook install for instance.


Nick

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Re: Macro untidiness

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:20:08  -0500, Allie Martin wrote:

 Just an appeal to Ritlabs:

 It would be a lot tidier if implemented macros are properly
 integrated in the userinterface upon implementation and that one
 doesn't have to wait for the next version for this to happen. The
 %QINCLUDE, an extremely useful macro is finally listed in the helpfile
 but is still not in the interface and this new macro, %TRACKINGNUMBER,
 is in neither the helpfile, nor the interface.

I'm already receiving offlist mail about this post. Just to
put all those who may not know in perspective.

I doubt if they're many who appreciate TB! and it's developers
more than I do. They've listened to me in the past, answer all my
queries and have consistently listened to the subscribers here when
useful.

This was not a heated appeal but a gentle one to put TB! more
unto a path of perfection. Please, this wasn't a flame perse. Although
the Tracking number macro was explained as being very recently
implemented and hence not included in the help file and the interface,
the %QINCLUDE macro cannot be explained away in this manner.


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Re: Macro untidiness

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:41:04 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote:

 %QINCLUDE, an extremely useful macro is finally listed in the
 helpfile but is still not in the interface and this new macro,
 %TRACKINGNUMBER, is in neither the helpfile, nor the interface.

 Allie, where are you finding these Macro's? I've looked everywhere, but
 see no mention of the ones you've listed here?

The %QINCLUDE macro was mentioned on list by Stefan when I
among other list subscribers were making an appeal to be able to
create our own macros. I don't know if you remember when I posted a
regular expression, a pretty complicated one at that, which extracts
the original message dates from headers so that they could be used in
replies. Well, the %QINCLUDE macro helped a great deal.

What the %QINCLUDE macro does is allow you to insert/include
quick templates in other templates.

Take for example my TB! signature. I created a quick template
with the signature in it and gave it the handle name 'tbudl.sig'.

In my address book, for my TBUDL templates, instead of placing
the signatures in all three templates (new message, reply and forward)
I simply place:

%QINCLUDE="tbudl.sig"

The advantage of this, is that I can edit my TB! discussion
lists signature once with it taking effect wherever I use the
signature through the %QINCLUDE macro. Without the %QINCLUDE macro, I
would have to edit the signature and then copy and paste it to all
templates in which I used it, which would be six places, ie, the three
TBUDL and three TBBETA templates. The %QINCLUDE macro revolutionised
template management for me and others.

In an earlier message I had posted what I new of the
%TRACKINGNUMBER template.

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Re: Macro untidiness

[Laura Jennings-Blijleven]

Hi Nick,



Best regards,

Laura


On 3/10/2000 at 8:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

NA On Friday, March 10, 2000, 8:20:08 AM, Allie Martin wrote:

 %QINCLUDE, an extremely useful macro is finally listed in the helpfile
 but is still not in the interface and this new macro, %TRACKINGNUMBER,
 is in neither the helpfile, nor the interface.

NA Allie, where are you finding these Macro's? I've looked everywhere, but
NA see no mention of the ones you've listed here?



NA Nick



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Re: Macro untidiness - oops

[Laura Jennings-Blijleven]

Sorry about that. I must've hit reply instead of trash. Time to get
another coffee...


On 3/10/2000 at 9:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


LJB Hi Nick,



LJB Best regards,

LJB Laura


LJB On 3/10/2000 at 8:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

NA On Friday, March 10, 2000, 8:20:08 AM, Allie Martin wrote:

 %QINCLUDE, an extremely useful macro is finally listed in the helpfile
 but is still not in the interface and this new macro, %TRACKINGNUMBER,
 is in neither the helpfile, nor the interface.

NA Allie, where are you finding these Macro's? I've looked everywhere, but
NA see no mention of the ones you've listed here?



NA Nick



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Re: Macro untidiness

[Nick Andriash]

On Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:34:44 AM, Laura Jennings-Blijleven wrote:

 Hi Nick,



 Best regards,

 Laura

Best regards to you too Laura! :o)


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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

Allie Martin posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

AM  ...   Oh, I forgot to answer these parts. On comparing the contents
AM ...
AM [-] Fixed potential vulnerability of 'X-Bat-Files:'.

I checked this out earlier and it is sure enough fixed. Tried everything but
anything spoofed outside the mailbox gets copied back over to it. Nifty ;)


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Re[2]: Macro untidiness

[Gary]

Hi Allie,

On Friday, March 10, 2000, 11:29:53 AM, you wrote in part about "Macro
untidiness":

A The %QINCLUDE macro was mentioned on list by Stefan when I
A among other list subscribers were making an appeal to be able to
A create our own macros. I don't know if you remember when I posted a
A regular expression, a pretty complicated one at that, which
A extracts the original message dates from headers so that they could
A be used in replies. Well, the %QINCLUDE macro helped a great deal.

A What the %QINCLUDE macro does is allow you to insert/include
A quick templates in other templates.

Thanks for the info on this.  I can definitely see the benefits here,
especially when setting up new ISPs, new ideas that you want to add
universally, and quickly, etc. I wonder if you can have a quick
template include other imbedded variables in it too while using
%QINCLUDE, like %cookie, so you would have %QINCLUDE MACRO_X and
macro_X would have further imbedded variables? I will play around with
it over the weekend. Thanks for the info.  You could set up many quick
forms and complete formats using %QINCLUDE.  Very useful indeed.

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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[tracer]

Hello Justin D. Paine,
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:23:23 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 6:23:23 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Justin D. Paine wrote:


 Hello tracer,

 You are advising someone to not upgrade? You would prefer to have all
 sorts of security problems, bugs, etc? I have used win95, win98, nt4,
 win2k, and have NEVER had the I.E. update corrupt my system..

There is a difference between an upgrade and installing a time bomb in
your system.
Upgrading an IE is in the last category.
Windows 98 has the great capability to more or less fix corrupted
things up if re-installed from DOS.
Asuming you havent installed something like ie5 on top which has to be
uninstalled first
If your system is corrupted and you cannot do that...

Especially with IE5 there were so many versions that almost any
combination caused problems and system corruption.

Reason is that it doesnt exist as a product, its a collection of
system files with registry settings...

What to do is everybodies personal problem but if I have a choice
between updating an IE5 which likely will corrupt my system OR
updating it the next time with an integrated version with those
bugfixes in it

I have seen several perfect (as far as possible) systems being
upgraded after which problems started.
IE5 was a prime example as versions in 98v2 betas, office 2000,
programmers kits and standalone all had different configurations.


Security fixes, if one doesnt use office, outlook, outlook express,
not sure how many real security problems are left if one runs a decent
firewall, removes stuff MS inserts where they shouldnt.
About the only patch I stuck in was the shutdown one as my system
sometimes hangs.

I see loads of corrupted systems every week, and its amazing how often
the upgrades have done it...
If an upgrade isnt absolutely required, donot put them in.


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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[tracer]

Hello Allie Martin,
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:18:08  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 7:18:08 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:


 On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:40:21 +0700, tracer wrote:

 you should never upgrade ie's in windows.

 Hmmm. I've never had or seen a problem.

 if you get a corrupted system you cannot uninstall the thing and on
 installing from DOS out of windows you are guaranteed sure to get
 registry corruptions/confusion

 I can imagine. Anyone who decides to run the IE upgrade in DOS
 outside of windows is begging for trouble. :(

Not what I meant, installing or reinstalling 98 from dos out, not
ie5...
However you canot remove an ie5 while in dos especially not if its
corrupted

I went through 2 beta sequences with 98 and it was always nice to have
a backdoor!
 


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Re: Macro untidiness - oops

[Nick Andriash]

On Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:50:12 AM, Laura Jennings-Blijleven wrote:

 Sorry about that. I must've hit reply instead of trash. Time to get
 another coffee...

Just goes to show where _my_ messages end up!!  ;o)


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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

Now before I start. I'm not in any way trying to cause an argument, or be
antagonistic, or upset anyone :) - happy to be a TBUDL subscriber. I've
emailed tracer off list just to make certain there is no misunderstanding.

If you think what I say stinks or has offended you, you can always email me
@ [EMAIL PROTECTED] anytime. V

Now, Nick Andriash posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

NA Justin, you'd be in the minority then I'm afraid. IE updates _do_ cause
NA problems, and as such,

 I wouldn't say that he is in a minority actually. Although it does really
 depend on individual system configurations I suppose.

NA I stay well clear of any IE updates. In fact, I use

 Personally now, I have found the majority of IE updates to be rather
 innocuous. Perhaps because I am Outlook free? (This installation never had
 any Outlook or Frontpage apps installed, not even Express versions)

NA Opera and haven't touched IE in 6 months.

The last time I tried Opera it was rather a pain. It was a while back mind
you so perhaps a second look is in order. Dropping IE is Ok if you don't do
much web development.

NA If I _have_ to use one of the
NA bigger browsers for anything (Opera is extremely finicky), I'll use
NA Netscape.

This is just an I hate M$ issue then. I mean that IE5 is in fact a good
browser.

NA IE Updates replace a whole host of System DLL's, but the problem is, they
NA don't all work well together with other MS Products, such as having a
NA current MS Outlook install for instance.

I don't think that everyone that uses Windows and IE together has Outlook installed
Well I don't at least. I use TB! ;-)

NA Nick


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Changing Reply-to for one folder only

[Laura Jennings-Blijleven]

Hi Batties,

I am a member of several mailinglists, and some of the folks are not
technically savvy enough to figure out that they need to filter on the
"To:" address to make all messages to the list go into a separate
folder. One thing they have trouble with is that TB uses a different
format than most programs when replying to list mail - instead of
simply putting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the To-field of the
reply, it puts "name of the original sender
[EMAIL PROTECTED]".

In Account/Properties I found a box "Do not use FROM for REPLY-TO
address". That worked to turn this feature off, but I'd like to do
this for just a few folders, not my entire account. Do you know if
there's a macro you can put in the templates of your specific folder
to achieve this?

Thanks,

Laura


On 3/10/2000 at 1:02 AM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA Hello Thomas,


JA On  Friday, March 10, 2000  at  16:54:31 GMT +0800 (which was 12:54 AM
JA where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


JAL What does the numbers in square brackets mean?

 They are generated by TB when you reply to a mail. Somebody thinks
 this is good. So, the replies are not numbered when you receive them,
 but the sender's TB already put them in there.

JA Just a picky point, but they may be numbered when you receive them.
JA If you get a message with Re[2]: and you don't use the %SINGLERE, then
JA when you reply, your TB will generate Re[3]:.

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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Dennis W. Greer]

Hello Douglas,

Thursday, March 09, 2000, you wrote:


S I use other stuff now. There is a choice: Lockdown2000, Signal9's
S PC Firewall, and ZoneAlarm. ZoneAlarm is free from

I use ZoneAlarm. It is good. The only thing I don't like about it
is that it does not keep an log of what it has done.

   Just a few days ago ZoneAlarm alerted me to the fact that I had
   the SubSeven 2.1gold trojan active in my system. If you want an
   impressive test of ZA's ability try this. Install it then do a
   web search (I used Copernic 2000 Pro) on "MSREXE.EXE". A search
   on that seems to trigger many probes on high numbered ports.
   Probes that I have been unable to trace the DNS.

   ZA has also shown me that the ad supported software Steve Gibson of
   Gibson Research Corporation alerted people too continues to
   address my port 3000 even after it's software is removed. This
   happens as many as 75 times in an hour.

   
S Whilst I miss some of the features of at Guard (like ability to
S block or change the user agent and email, etc), these apps are much
S more reliable than atGuard. In fact, ZoneAlarm stealths more ports
S (well all of them actually) than any of the firewalls that I've
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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Nick Andriash]

On Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:59:46 AM, Simon wrote:

 If you think what I say stinks or has offended you, you can always email me
 @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] anytime. V

Not at all Simon.

NA Opera and haven't touched IE in 6 months.

 The last time I tried Opera it was rather a pain. It was a while back mind
 you so perhaps a second look is in order. Dropping IE is Ok if you don't do
 much web development.

Opera just released their version final 3.6.2 today:
Additional information may be found on the Opera web site:

http://www.opera.com/new36.html

Or you may download the English versions:

http://www.opera.com/download.html

NA If I _have_ to use one of the
NA bigger browsers for anything (Opera is extremely finicky), I'll use
NA Netscape.

 This is just an I hate M$ issue then. I mean that IE5 is in fact a good
 browser.

Well, _hate_ may be a rather strong word to use in my case, but I've
experienced a lot of problems with MS, most especially so with their IE
Updates. Yes, having and relying on Outlook 2K (at the time... I now use
TB exclusively... and that in itself says something about MS) for E-Mail,
I found the IE Updates played around with the System Files to such a
degree that it virtually left my Outlook 2K install inoperable. I had to
use SFC to go DLL by DLL and restore the original versions.


Nick

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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

Dennis W. Greer posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:


DWG I use ZoneAlarm. It is good. The only thing I don't like about it
DWG is that it does not keep an log of what it has done.

I found that a bind also. Steve Gibson's site gives mention of a possible
'ZoneAlarm Pro' on the horizon with all sorts of extended features inc.
logging. No idea when though.


Slán anois, 

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[Hendrik Hannemann]

Hi, guys!
Is there a way that I can make TheBat! check addresses I key 
in against a certain LDAP directory? I have not yet found a way. Thx for your 
help!
Cheers
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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

Nick Andriash posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

NA use SFC to go DLL by DLL and restore the original versions.

I take it you are aware of the 'glitch' in System File Checker on Win9x
systems?

http://www.bigfix.com/website/maintech.html#SFC has more info

(problem affects more PC makes than is listed at bigfix. It obviously doesn't
include home builds ;-))

  
  

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Re: (Now a bit OT) Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[tracer]

Hello Allie Martin,
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:34:25  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 10:34:25 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:


 On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:50:19 +, Simon wrote:

 ** snip **

 I have to say that the problem occurs MORE frequently with people that have
 it installed but disabled at startup. I found that the problem was less
 severe when @Guard was run at startup and left running all the time. The
 chances then of IAMSERV being loaded twice are obviously then reduced
 considerably.

 I guess this is why I have absolutely no problems with
 atguard. I have it running at all times and run it at startup. :)

removing and starting firewalls is a bit like removing and replacing
stones in the faoundation of your house, if they arent going back in
the proper place, it may collapse...
Problem being nobody knows what for a certain system the best order
is, It depends on how you install your system and likely on a clean
install you do things in a specific order which somehow seems to work
better. So do I.


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Re: Macro untidiness

[Jast]

Morning Gary,

 I wonder if you can have a quick template include other imbedded
 variables in it too while using %QINCLUDE, like %cookie, so you would
 have %QINCLUDE MACRO_X and macro_X would have further imbedded variables?

 I recently posted a detailed (probably too detailed) explanation of this
 system. The subject was "template management" It doesn't cover the use of
 %qinclude macro and uses external files with %include macro instead.

 Anyway, yes, it works. Of my sig below, everything except for the dots
 consists of macros or includes of other "sub-templates"

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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[tracer]

Hello Simon,
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:50:19 + GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 7:50:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Simon wrote:


 How-do-you-do,

 Tracer, tracer, tracer! What ARE you talking about?

 First, not one IE5 upgrade that I have installed has ever knackered any of
 my Windows installations - any of the 5 PCs on my LAN.

I think my number of systems is a bit larger...
I see thousands per year...
In addition  if you talk about your own system, likely you do things
in a way causing you the least problems.
I havent got that luxury as most systems are outside my control.
So if it is running and not causing problems and it isnt critical I am
not going to upgrade a customer.
Too much chance I end up wasting hours on a system due to something
else dying! Free of charge obviously if I mess it up!
PLUS complaints.


 Frankly, not
 upgrading to fix bugs is not a consideration at all.

I have seen bug upgrades installed after which for example some silly
game lost sound.
I know you arent interested in a disney Winny the Pooh game making
sound or not but tell that to the customer...

Especially after charging him for the download and upgrade!
He gets home and no more sound in that game.
Daughter complains, next day he is back.


 Bug updates, and
 security holes need patching...as Justin commented.


As far as I am concerned only if the user is in danger if he doesnt.
I make sure they run a decent firewall, a decent antivirus tool and
try to get them away from any MS related stuff as Outlook/Outlook
express.
It isnt even that difficult by telling them about the many virus
attacks on that stuff and that they can loose all their email...

If they really want the latest version of windows in most cases all
they have to do is walk to the nearest computer
software place and get themselves a copy.



 Simple as that. All I
 was wondering was where the option to browse in a separate process went to.

(?)



 2) In any event. Sorry, but you are wrong about
 @Guard mate. @Guard DOES cause problems. Check your background processes
 every now and then when @Guard is simply installed. IAMSERV is running yes?
 Maybe you noticed also that @Guard doesn't seem to want to leave it there
 and when you then activate @Guard when you connect to the Internet, @Guard
 loads another occurrence of it again. This causes MAJOR probs  slow downs
 and hangs Internet Explorer, WIndows, TB!

No problem with it. My At guard loads at startup. It never hangs
anything in an obvious way.
And as you will know order of things loaded can make a significant
difference.
Under windows starting and releasing firewalls especially if multiple
protections are loaded is a good way to get them interfering in
unexpected ways.
So I always load them in the same order...
If I crash off I reboot so it all gets started the same way.

 Especially when you drop your
 connection and have @GUard shut down automatically or do it manually.

I donot shut it down , I reconnect.

 I   really do like @Guard but have removed it from at least 7 peoples computers
 for the same complaints. I have given them ZOneAlarm to install because of
 this problem. NOT ONE person has had the same problem since its removal.

Try using BFTP with Zonealarm... I run the beta at present as a test.
Its a nice program but it doesnt give me enough control.


 I have to say that the problem occurs MORE frequently with people that have
 it installed but disabled at startup. I found that the problem was less
 severe when @Guard was run at startup and left running all the time. The
 chances then of IAMSERV being loaded twice are obviously then reduced
 considerably.

Which is what I do.
I control as much as possible what gets loaded in what order and it
can make a significant difference for system behaviour.

 "Lockdown2000 junk" --- tracer...uhummm. OK, some people like ports to be
 completely stealthed. And some like to have their ports watched for one
 reason or another. Lockdown does open and listen to many ports unlike a
 Firewall, granted, and this does affect TCP/IP memory if you're listening to
 too many at once. OK, but I have generally found this not to be a problem
 when using Lockdown.

Check the websites, it was reviewed and tested in many places, it
doesnt do what it claims it does. Unless they changed it a lot...

 Yes, these kind of programs have been called 'hacker catchers' and often
 have a reputation of unfairly 'baiting' attackers or even putting yourself
 at risk. If you are somewhere referring to Steve Gibson's opinions that
 these apps are 'junk' (to also quote him) and that they are 'Evil Port
 Monitors'(as he says) then I think that is a bit OTT and designed only to
 create dependency on one persons opinions which suits his purpose, obviously.

Nope, I use them as well.
If I really get pestered by an insisting hacker he will end up
learning its not smart...



 I use my Firewall to have complete system stealth
 at other times. I think to say 

Re: Changing Reply-to for one folder only - THANKS!

[Laura Jennings-Blijleven]

Hi Roel,

Not only did that work like a charm, you brightened my day with your
art.

Smiling,

Laura


On 3/10/2000 at 10:29 AM, Roel wrote:

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R (- O o -)
R --oOOo-(_)-oOOo---
R Hello Laura,

LJB Do you know if there's a macro you can put in the templates of
LJB your specific folder to achieve this?

R put %TO="" %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" into the folder-template.
R That'll do exactly what you want...

R The first %TO="" will clear the original contents of the field, while
R the second one sets the new contents... (if you'd use only 1, it's
R value would be added to the existing %to-contents)

R hth



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Re: Changing Reply-to for one folder only

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:13:54 -0800, Laura Jennings-Blijleven wrote:

 In Account/Properties I found a box "Do not use FROM for REPLY-TO
 address". That worked to turn this feature off, but I'd like to do
 this for just a few folders, not my entire account. Do you know if
 there's a macro you can put in the templates of your specific folder
 to achieve this?

No, there isn't one.

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Re: Changing Reply-to for one folder only

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:29:49 +0100, Roel wrote:

LJB Do you know if there's a macro you can put in the templates of
LJB your specific folder to achieve this?

 put %TO="" %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" into the folder-template.
 That'll do exactly what you want...

 The first %TO="" will clear the original contents of the field, while
 the second one sets the new contents... (if you'd use only 1, it's
 value would be added to the existing %to-contents)

Oops. I had forgotten that you could work around it using the
To: macro. Reol, what he seems to want to do disable TB!'s default
behaviour of putting the 'from' name with the 'to' address and yet
enable it for some folders. There is in fact no simple macro for this
though he could use this:

%TO=""%TO="%OFROMNAME %FROMADDR"

If the sender address differs from the reply address as with TB! mail
then use:

%TO=""%TO="%OFROMNAME %TOADDR"

Note however, that TB!, when automatically inserting reply to headers,
by default uses the reply-to address and not the original senders
address. That's if the two addresses are different of course. :)

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Re[2]: Macro untidiness

[Gary]

Hi Jast,

On Friday, March 10, 2000, 1:05:18 PM, you wrote in part about "Macro
untidiness":

J Morning Gary,

 I wonder if you can have a quick template include other imbedded
 variables in it too while using %QINCLUDE, like %cookie, so you would
 have %QINCLUDE MACRO_X and macro_X would have further imbedded variables?

J  I recently posted a detailed (probably too detailed) explanation of this
J  system. The subject was "template management" It doesn't cover the use of
J  %qinclude macro and uses external files with %include macro instead.

J  Anyway, yes, it works. Of my sig below, everything except for the dots
J  consists of macros or includes of other "sub-templates"

Cool beans!  Thanks on this one.  I am going to redo all of my
templates over the weekend using this feature instead of having "new
message, reply, forward customized templates."  To me, this represents
the ultimate in customization of email. Did not see your previous post
on "template management," but will check the archives.  Thanks.

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Re: Macro untidiness

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:46:52 -0600, Gary wrote:

J  Anyway, yes, it works. Of my sig below, everything except for the dots
J  consists of macros or includes of other "sub-templates"

 Cool beans!  Thanks on this one.  I am going to redo all of my
 templates over the weekend using this feature instead of having "new
 message, reply, forward customized templates."  To me, this represents
 the ultimate in customization of email. Did not see your previous post
 on "template management," but will check the archives.  Thanks.

Yes, this really rocks. One thing though. The %QINCLUDE macro
shouldn't be used in a another quick template. It could cause an
infinite loop and problems. I haven't experienced this personally
since I haven't tried it, but others have.

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Re: Changing Reply-to for one folder only - THANKS!

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:14:10 -0800, Laura Jennings-Blijleven wrote:

 Not only did that work like a charm, you brightened my day with your
 art.

 Smiling,

Er. Hm .. K! Looks as if I was the one
misinterpreting. I thought you meant the reverse of what you in fact
wanted. Forget the rest of my confusion. :)


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Re[2]: Macro untidiness

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Hi Allie,

On Friday, March 10, 2000, 1:57:31 PM, you wrote in part about "Macro
untidiness":

A Yes, this really rocks. One thing though. The %QINCLUDE
A macro shouldn't be used in a another quick template. It could cause
A an infinite loop and problems. I haven't experienced this
A personally since I haven't tried it, but others have.

Thanks Allie, more fun to play with ... :-)  Igor, it's alive!


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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

tracer posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

t I think my number of systems is a bit larger...

Well I was actually referring to my home/office Network actually, not my
customer base.

t I see thousands per year...

 !-- don extended codpiece

We may be in a different line of work? What exactly is yours? I get about 15
callouts a day (not much to you I know) from my locally based completely
trusting customers who love me and my children, and my pets to bits. -
overkill? 75% of them are usually quickly sorted out over the phone. So, if
I do the maths, hang on...and get a mean average...wait...that works out
t..too.. Well it's probably over 6000 callouts a year I expect ;-)

This is obviously small fry to you I know being that I'm not a multinational
business turning over millions of pounds every year, but heh, I do just make a
living and some of my customers do actually phone me back ;-)

 //-- un-don extended codpiece.

t In addition  if you talk about your own system, likely you do things
t in a way causing you the least problems.

Yes, I was talking about my own system.

t I havent got that luxury as most systems are outside my control.

Personally I would not want anything to do with any of my customers' systems
until they called me out - I have stable blood pressure at the moment. It
certainly would be no luxury if they were inside my control ;-) Most of them
would worry me into an early grave if I spent enough time thinking about
some of the things they get up to.

Sidetrack:

A customer (a male in his late 40s), admittedly not too bright, was
convinced that the PC I had built him wasn't making the same noise as when
he first got it from me, so took to banging the top and side of his PC
which, according to him (I found out later), made it sound right after a
couple of whacks. One day he phoned me to say that his computer would not bootup.
When I went around to see him, he said that the PC had been playing up for a
while. On investigating, I found a completely knackered hard disk. After
I had installed a replacement, I noticed the CPU fan rattling a bit when
booting so I swapped it out there an then. As I was doing that, the chap
said "..that was the noise it was making before. I knew there was something
wrong. When I banged it the noise stopped!" I did then explain why I was
charging him for the new hard drive.

t So if it is running and not causing problems and it isnt critical I am
t not going to upgrade a customer.

I never give loaded guns to my customers. They will blow their own heads off in
most cases.

t Too much chance I end up wasting hours on a system due to something
t else dying! Free of charge obviously if I mess it up!
t PLUS complaints.

When I first started out I got suckered regularly by a few lovely customers
who made me endless cups of tea whilst I wasted endless hours of my time
reinstalling software for them that they had spent only moments screwing up.
Generally, these types blamed the problem on the computer that I had built
them so that I would do the work for free. I became wise, quickly. I have
mostly steered clear of software related problems as it doesn't really pay
the bills. Often, a reinstall of Windows and all software is a lot quicker
than tracking down and repairing odd registry errors and corrupted
installations.

Software that I recommend is often running on my PC for around 2 months
before I mention it to anyone. But my advice to them is still to always back
up their software before installing anything, and remind them that there is
no support with such gifts. Nowadays, MOST of my customers seem to
understand. The ones that don't just don't get software from me!

t I have seen bug upgrades installed after which for example some silly
t game lost sound.
t I know you arent interested in a disney Winny the Pooh game making
t sound or not but tell that to the customer...

I refer the right honorable gentleman to my previous reply.

t Especially after charging him for the download and upgrade!
t He gets home and no more sound in that game.
t Daughter complains, next day he is back.

I don't ever charge for necessary updates.

t As far as I am concerned only if the user is in danger if he doesnt.
t I make sure they run a decent firewall, a decent antivirus tool and
t try to get them away from any MS related stuff as Outlook/Outlook
t express.
t It isnt even that difficult by telling them about the many virus
t attacks on that stuff and that they can loose all their email...

Advise them sure, but at the end of the day they surf at their own peril
just like you and me. You must either have a lot of time or you are a VERY
decent person, because I just can't get that involved. Too time consuming.

t If they really want the latest version of windows in most cases all
t they have to do is walk to the nearest computer
t software place and get themselves a copy.

 Yes.

t No problem with it. My At guard loads at startup. It never 

1.41 - still problems

[Vincent - D. Ertner]

Hi Co-Batties,

I really hoped, that the issues - well known since 1.32 something -
would have been fixed - nothing ;-(

To bring it back into focus, try the following:

- Open The Bat
- Move to the message overview:

Printing with Ctrl+P not implemented ;-(((

- okay, Message / Print - it's printed
- now move up or down with a cursor key:

Focus lost! No chance to get it back.

Dear Developers:

Please, please, please try to fix this in 1.42! It's really annoying!

Cheers,

Vince

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Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[tracer]

Hello Douglas Hinds,
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:14:13 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 10:14:13 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Douglas Hinds wrote:




 Tracer kindly and unselfishly helped me retrieve a good part of my
 email out of Calypso. Also, since the fools at Calypso blamed my
 windows and insisted that I install each and every upgrade ever
 devised, many of which undo or conflict with previous upgrades (and no
 effort was made on their part to distinguish), that issue was
 discussed in some depth also. I consider him to be both knowledgeable
 and a friend.

Douglas, I know but I think its all based on misunderstanding and
different circumstances.
You like me sit in a remote place where if things go wrong the nearest
civilised technical place is 800km or more away...
Or it takes  weeks to get something replaced.
The result is one tends to keep things simple, use things which are
KNOWN to work especially if all the system owners can do whatever they
want to plant problems in their various systems.
If I upgrade them and it goes wrong... I end up fixing it free of
charge.

And I have seen quite a few systems messed up by the MS updates.
So if they arent urgently needed I donot use them.

Zone Alarm is good but not for the way I access the internet.
And yes, I likely will use it for customers systems in the near
future, if it helps them and not causes me any problems in support...
I am testing it at present for the last week or so.


Best regards,
 
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Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze

[Justin D. Paine]

Hello Nick,

Well, I don't wanna get on an off-topic discussion.. other than to
say, I admin well over 200 boxes, all running win2k, office2K, and
I.E. 5.0 and simply don't encounter these problems.. Perhaps it is
other software that is interactingbadly.. with I.E?

Best regards,

Justin D. Paine

Windows NT 5.0 Build:2195
Friday, March 10, 2000 6:08:11 PM

God does not play dice with the universe.
-Albert Einstein-

ORIGINAL MESSAGE
Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:09:53 AM, you wrote:

NA On Friday, March 10, 2000, 3:23:23 AM, Justin D. Paine wrote:

 Hello tracer,

 You are advising someone to not upgrade? You would prefer to have all
 sorts of security problems, bugs, etc? I have used win95, win98, nt4,
 win2k, and have NEVER had the I.E. update corrupt my system..

NA Justin, you'd be in the minority then I'm afraid. IE updates _do_ cause
NA problems, and as such, I stay well clear of any IE updates. In fact, I use
NA Opera and haven't touched IE in 6 months. If I _have_ to use one of the
NA bigger browsers for anything (Opera is extremely finicky), I'll use
NA Netscape.

NA IE Updates replace a whole host of System DLL's, but the problem is, they
NA don't all work well together with other MS Products, such as having a
NA current MS Outlook install for instance.


NA Nick




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Need copy of 1.41b5 or earlier

[Quin Selman]

Hello TBUDL,

  Does anyone have a copy of TB!1.41b5 or earlier you can email me? Or
  is there a download site that has it? Either my copy of 1.41 final is
  corrupt (but I've tried both the zipped executable from the web site
  and the EXE from the FTP site) or it doesn't work on my system.
  Editing in the Mail Message Editor is broken. The delete key doesn't
  work on selected strings and there are other associated strange
  behaviors. Am I the only one having this trouble?


Best regards,
 Quin  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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QINCLUDE (was: Re: Macro untidiness)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Jast,

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 05:06:38 +0100 GMT (11.03.2000, 12:06 +0800 GMT),
Jast wrote:

J  Just tried it out. It only causes problems if you really loop the quick
J  templates eg qt A includes qt B includes qt C includes qt B. That's what I
J  tried anyway. The result was a hang of TB, nothing more ;) Other than that
J  I believe it is save to use *qiinclude in qt's.

It's pretty simple logic: the macros are fully recursive. So, if you
have a qt that includes itself, or go via other qt's one of which
eventually calls the first one, it doesn't matter; TB loops forever
trying to create the message.

Yes, the result is that TB hangs, "nothing more". Not enough? g

Other than that, no problems using qt's within qt's; Allie was only
pointing out that you have to be careful not to cause infinite loops.

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Re: QINCLUDE (was: Re: Macro untidiness)

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:49:01 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 Other than that, no problems using qt's within qt's; Allie was only
 pointing out that you have to be careful not to cause infinite loops.

Righto. :) It took the person who experienced this a while to
realize what the problem was. I'd hate to see it happen to someone
else.

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