Templat problem (reply template)

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 6/1/02, 5:54 PM
Hi TBUDL Members,
I am having a problem with templates. I want my reply to be below the
quotes. I have blank folder and account templates. I am only using
address book templates.
No matter what I do, when I highlight a portion of a message and hit
F4 the cursor pops up above the quotes.
Also, the "Bomb of the day" phrase below has been removed from the
templates. It still shows up.
I have tried changing words in my sig in the various adb group
templates in an attempt to track it down. To no avail.
There is a rogue template somewhere. Here is the template I am using
for this list.

%DOW, %DATESHORT, %TIME
Hi 
%TOFNAME,%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
On%SUBPATT="2", at %SUBPATT="3" [GMT%SUBPATT="4"] (which was %OTIME where I live) 
you wrote about: 
'%setpattregexp="(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)"%RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%SubPatt="5"'
%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)
%CURSOR
 Your communication is greatly appreciated,
   %FROMFNAME
-- 
%COOKIE="E:\batbu\tags.txt"
On the wings of The Bat! Version: %THEBATVERSION
Running on: %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME,%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION,%WINDOWSMINORVERSION
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 Your communication is appreciated,
   Paul
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Timed Deletion From Servers

[Jonathan Angliss]

This one is an unusual question... I'm trying to work out if it is possible to
set a filter to delete mail from the server, if the time stamp is before a
certain time.  I keep two sets of my mail, one at work, and one at home.  At
work, I'm running TB! 1.60c, and at home Slypheed-Claws, with Fetchmail to
pickup my mail (I know sylpheed supports pop3 connections, but I have a lot of
filters already setup in procmail).  The setup runs as follows:

At 7am in the morning, Fetchmail at home shuts down if the day is Monday to
Friday.  When I get into work, about 0800-0845 in, I load TB! which is set to
leave most mails (except identified spam, and certain mails) on the server. 
Work day goes by as usual.  When I leave work at 1730, fetchmail at home
automatically kicks in, and downloads all the mail off the server, erasing it
from the server, then about 1745, a second fetchmail script kicks in after the
first, and checks periodically for updates, and downloads, leaving a copy on the
server, so I can (in the morning of the following day) retrieve those mails.

The problem occurs is when you set fetchmail to download mail, and delete from
servers, it just does it, and I end up with duplicates on my home PC (something
which I found TB! to be very good at handling).  What I want TB! to do is when I
check my mail, if the time stamp is before 0700 of that day (including
everything on previous days), is to delete the mail from server when downloaded.

Is this possible?  Or do I have to live with killing duplicates?

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Re: Signature stripping

[Thomas F]

Hello Ray,

On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:00:48 +0100 GMT (02/06/02, 06:00 +0700 GMT),
Ray Dawson wrote:

RD> I've set up a reply template for the TB mail list, but it doesn't
RD> strip the signature of the original message. I thought it did before,
RD> but I'm not sure why it doesn't now.

Whether or not the sig is cut at the delimiter, depends on whether the
sig delimiter in the incoming message is correct or not. If not, there
is nothing you can do in your own reply template (well, except for a
few regexes).

RD> The template is below

You show me yours, I show you mine? 

Hello %OFromFName,

On%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
 GMT (%ODateShort, %OTime +0700 GMT),
%OFROMNAME wrote:

%Cursor
%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- 
--|-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
-- 

%Qinclude="tbsig"
%Singlere
%TO=""%TO="""%OFromName on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

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Cheers,
Thomas.

Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken
Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,
1977

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Re: MID

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Joseph,

An archeological dig discovered that on Saturday, June 1, 2002 at
23:37 GMT -0500, Joseph N. [JN] typed the following:

JN> What is the macro for the (original) message ID to which one is
JN> replying?  I can neither find it nor figure it out

>From the help file:

%MSGIDinsert the current message's Message ID (taken from the
  message headers, this does not work for newly created
  messages, which don't yet have a message ID)
  
%OMSGID   insert the original message's Message ID (taken from the
  message headers)


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Re: Re[2]: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Joseph,
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:31:57 -0500, you wrote:

> Alllie, does this require you to manually create a backup file from
> within TB! on a regular basis?

At a guess... no... Winrar appears to compress the Mail dir, and put it on the
server... or should I say update the one on the server.  I don't know the winrar
command line options, so at a guess, it's only updating the archive on the
server.

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MID

[Joseph N.]

What is the macro for the (original) message ID to which one is
replying?  I can neither find it nor figure it out

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Re[2]: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Joseph N.]

Alllie, does this require you to manually create a backup file from
within TB! on a regular basis?

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 Allie C Martin wrote on Saturday, June 01, 2002:

> Path C:\Software\winrar winrar a -u -as
> \\Alliem\L\TBBackup\TB-Mail.rar C:\Mail

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Re: Templat problem (reply template)

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 6/1/02, 8:04 PM

Hi Januk,
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, at 19:54:30 [GMT -0700] (which was 7:54 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Templat problem (reply template)'

JA> It looks like you have duplicate entries for the contact/group in
JA> question.  If either or both of the entries have AB templates, you can
JA> get weird results, sometimes results that correspond to neither of the
JA> templates.  Try to do an AB search (AB -> F7) on the address that's
JA> giving you problems.  That should reveal duplicate entries.

Thank you. You hit it on the nose, Several duplicate entries. That was
what was throwing me off. I had only one group that was behaving
properly I was beginning to think I was being haunted by a second
address book somewhere.
Yes it was a copy error in the template I included. Thank You Januk.

 Your communication is greatly appreciated,
   Paul
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Re: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Jan Rifkinson]

Thanks Allie.

At 6:02 PM on Saturday, June 01, 2002 you wrote the
following about [Email references (was: Drafts)]:

Allie>>> I do daily backups of my mailbases just to be sure. It's done
Allie>>> using a WinRAR command line based batch file that does a
Allie>>> archive synchronisation and updating with my mailbase

JR>>   How exactly do you do this, Allie?

Allie> I use the system scheduler to run the .cmd file daily.

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Re: Templat problem (reply template)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Paul,

An archeological dig discovered that on Saturday, June 1, 2002 at 6:08
PM, Paul Wilson [PW] typed the following:

PW> No matter what I do, when I highlight a portion of a message and hit
PW> F4 the cursor pops up above the quotes.
PW> Also, the "Bomb of the day" phrase below has been removed from the
PW> templates. It still shows up.
PW> I have tried changing words in my sig in the various adb group
PW> templates in an attempt to track it down.

It looks like you have duplicate entries for the contact/group in
question.  If either or both of the entries have AB templates, you can
get weird results, sometimes results that correspond to neither of the
templates.  Try to do an AB search (AB -> F7) on the address that's
giving you problems.  That should reveal duplicate entries.

PW> 
PW> %DOW, %DATESHORT, %TIME
PW> Hi 
%TOFNAME,%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
PW> On%SUBPATT="2", at %SUBPATT="3" [GMT%SUBPATT="4"] (which was %OTIME where I live) 
PW> you wrote about: 
'%setpattregexp="(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)"%RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%SubPatt="5"'
PW> %quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)
   
   This line here will cause you problems. You have two
   incomplete macros, so results will be unpredictable.
   Perhaps it was a copying error when transferring to this
   message?


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Re: Wrapped file cookies and long paths

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Peter,

It was foretold that on Sunday, June 2, 2002 at 01:24 GMT +0200, Peter
Fjelsten [PF] would type:

PF>  %wrapped=" %COOKIE="C:\Documents and Settings\Peter
PF>  Fjelsten.K7-700\Desktop\Taglines.txt" "

PF>  It doesn't work. I get "Path C:\Documents and Settings\Peter" not found.
PF>  How can I get this to work? I want to wrap cookies from file.

You've got a few problems with that line.  First, nested macros should
use different delimiters (in other words, use single quotes instead of
double quotes for the %COOKIE macro).  Second, TB is interpreting the
line break as a line break.  If you have it there simply for
readability, put in the %- macro.

Now there is some ambiguity on whether your folder is
"Peter Fjelsen.K7-700" or "PeterFjelsen.K7-700".  I'm assuming the
former for this corrected template:

%WRAPPED=" %COOKIE='C:\Documents and Settings\Peter %-
Fjelsten.K7-700\Desktop\Taglines.txt' "

That should do the trick.

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Wrapped file cookies and long paths

[Peter Fjelsten]

TheBat-users,

 In a QT I have this:

 %wrapped=" %COOKIE="C:\Documents and Settings\Peter
 Fjelsten.K7-700\Desktop\Taglines.txt" "

 It doesn't work. I get "Path C:\Documents and Settings\Peter" not found.
 How can I get this to work? I want to wrap cookies from file.

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Signature stripping

[Ray Dawson]

I've set up a reply template for the TB mail list, but it doesn't
strip the signature of the original message. I thought it did before,
but I'm not sure why it doesn't now. The template is below and I have
the quotes set for 'none' in the account preferences:

%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Hello %OFromFName,

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:

%Quotes

%Cursor

Cheers,

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Re[2]: Colorized Signatures with Fixed Font

[Mitja Perko]

> No need to apologise. Did the reply help you?

Yes. I realized only with this thread that there is something called
rich text viewer. I never played with the color setting so I never
noticed the fixed font does not allow color etc. changing. But I am
staying with fixed font for now since I do not see any benefit for me
in using rich text viewer except for the signiture coloring.

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Re: Macro quest... :-)

[Pekka]

Hello Dierk,

Saturday, June 1, 2002, 11:17:25 AM, you wrote:


>> Seems that %ACCOUNT and %FROM don't mix too well :-(

DH> You are right. I am not quite sure if this behaviour can be changed by
DH> RITLabs, since the %ACCOUNT macro - IMO - is conceptually superior (in
DH> the sense of higher in the hierarchy) to the %FROM macro. It also
DH> changes the From header.

DH> You can OTOH just change your From address in the other account.

But I won't do that. Anyway, thanks for the replies - you, Miguel
and Jonathan!


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Re: Drafts

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Saturday, June 1, 2002, 11:34:04 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>  If I send you a mid: link to some other folder in my system it's
> useless to you.

no more so than knowing that said message was sent by said person on
said day on said date at said time.

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Re: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Allie C Martin]

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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote:
...
Allie>> I do daily backups of my mailbases just to be sure. It's done
Allie>> using a WinRAR command line based batch file that does a
Allie>> archive synchronisation and updating with my mailbase

JR>   How exactly do you do this, Allie?

I use the system scheduler to run the .cmd file daily.

The batch file is a text file containing the following:

==Start cmd file=>

@Echo off

Echo  
Echo  * !!  Updating Backup Archive of TB-Mail!! *
Echo  * (\\alliem\l\tbbackup\tb-mail.rar)*
Echo  

Path C:\Software\winrar
winrar a -u -as \\Alliem\L\TBBackup\TB-Mail.rar C:\Mail

exit

==/end cmd file==|

I backup to my server which has a nice Seagate Cheetah as its main
drive.

C:\Mail is my working mail directory. This should be
"C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail" for most.

The path before that defines the name and location of the rar archive
you're backing up to. If one isn't there, it will just create one and
do a full backup on the first go. After that, it simply analyses the
archive and update only the changed files. This saves time and
overhead.

Use the winrar command switches as shown.

a  - create archive

u  - update an existing archive

as - synchronise an existing archive with a target source
 directory/file.

The Echo part just suppresses all the stuff that will normally fill
the console window when the cmd script is running and the announcement
in the asterisk is put in it's place. Makes for a cleaner visual if I
happen to be awake when it starts running.

I do the same for the registry. I do it separately but you could do it
all in one swoop (I guess I will shortly integrate the two. I don't
know why I separated them in the first place). My TB! registry backup
goes like this:


@Echo Off
Path=C:\Windows
del \\Alliem\L\TBBackup\tbreg.reg
regedit /e "\\Alliem\L\TBBackup\tbreg.reg" hkey_current_user\software\rit
exit


You could use WinRAR and the system scheduler to do unattended backups
of many files and folders on your system. No need for 3rd party
software. :-)

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Re[2]: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Mark Wieder]

Allie-

Mind you, it doesn't happen often. I'm still sold on The Bat! and get
my clients to switch to it whenever I can. But just having this happen
once will get me wary. Twice and I start to think about alternate
stragegies. To be sure, I don't back up my message bases often enough
or fully compact everything often enough, and I'm working on getting
better about that.

But the last time I did a bat-style backup from the Tools menu I got
warnings about two of my folders, saying there were possible errors
(no further details, thank you), so I'm worried that another crash may
be in the works. After those warnings, though, everything's been
working fine.

I'd think about moving up to a later version, but since I leave TB on
all the time I'd rather wait until the resource leak has been
verifiedly fixed.

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Re: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Allie.

At 5:00 PM on Saturday, June 01, 2002 you wrote the
following about [Email references (was: Drafts)]:

Allie> I do daily backups of my mailbases just to be sure.
Allie> It's done using a WinRAR command line based batch
Allie> file that does a archive synchronisation and updating
Allie> with my mailbase

  How exactly do you do this, Allie?

  TIA

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Re[2]: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Mark Wieder]

Thomas-

Yup. Replaced the disk, too - it's all of about two months old. It's
nothing I can specifically blame The Bat! for, since it's sporadic,
but it's deadly when it happens and I've learned to play it safe.

Saturday, June 1, 2002, 12:33:15 PM, you wrote:

TF> It does (my mileage, that is). I haven't had a corrupted message base
TF> for a very long time.  Have you run a surface check on your HD
TF> recently?

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Re: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Allie C Martin]

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...
MW> It's based on having lost months' worth of emails from corrupted
MW> message bases in the past. I try to play it safe these days and
MW> email folders with their contents constantly changing don't seem
MW> like particularly safe repositories for things I care about

It's perplexing that you lose mail often enough that you've lost
confidence in the mail base reliability short of a hardware failure.

I've lost mail only on two occasions. Once when running securebat in
its early days. The other was during a hard disk failure on my laptop.
I've since had the drive replaced.

I do daily backups of my mailbases just to be sure. It's done using
a WinRAR command line based batch file that does a archive
synchronisation and updating with my mailbase. I feel pretty secure
with that arrangement and hardly ever delete mail unless it's spam,
duplicates or obvious duds.

You're using Win2k which makes it even that more perplexing that your
mailbase reliability is so poor.

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Re: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Thomas F]

Hello Mark,

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:23:52 -0700 GMT (02/06/02, 02:23 +0700 GMT),
Mark Wieder wrote:

MW> It's based on having lost months' worth of emails from corrupted
MW> message bases in the past. I try to play it safe these days and email
MW> folders with their contents constantly changing don't seem like
MW> particularly safe repositories for things I care about. YMMV.

It does (my mileage, that is). I haven't had a corrupted message base
for a very long time.  Have you run a surface check on your HD
recently?

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Re: Email references (was: Drafts)

[Mark Wieder]

Thomas-

Saturday, June 1, 2002, 11:19:15 AM, you wrote:

TF> What an excessive amount of work, I'd say. But everybody has
TF> (obviously) his own way of working.

It's based on having lost months' worth of emails from corrupted
message bases in the past. I try to play it safe these days and email
folders with their contents constantly changing don't seem like
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Re: How does one remove the [#] from replies?

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Hello Dierk,

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 19:26:57 +0200GMT (1-6-02, 19:26 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

DH> Actually 1.60 is more stable and less buggy than 1.53.

I'm not sure about that. 1.53d never convinced me to disable the main
toolbar, just to avoid the temptation to press a reply button that
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Re: Re: Drafts

[Joseph N.]

This is one of those threads I haven't been tracking, but something
now pulled me in, and going back through what I still have on my
system, is a message with this text:

MW> If I send you a mid: link to some other folder in my system it's
MW> useless to you. And a waste of bandwidth,

The idea of an MID link seems like a good idea to me, but I don't
understand this description of an MID being a link to a folder.  Isn't
the folder issue a completely separate issue?  The point is that the
users decide how to arrange their own archives, but the MID is a quick
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Email references (was: Drafts)

[Thomas F]

Hello Mark,

PMFJI.

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 10:08:57 -0700 GMT (02/06/02, 00:08 +0700 GMT),
Mark Wieder wrote:

MW> I don't regard email archives as particularly safe places to store
MW> info I want to refer to later, especially with the random
MW> corrupted messages bases I've run into occasionally. [...] I save
MW> emails with tips and such in separate files where my OS can deal
MW> with finding them (and quite a few of your previous emails are
MW> stored there).

What an excessive amount of work, I'd say. But everybody has
(obviously) his own way of working.

MW> With TBUDL, I try to rely on the archives rather than on my own
MW> saved emails.

With the non-existent bandwidth-problem, as you have mentioned, it
seems to be a resonable choice. But then, if anybody refers to a
message previously sent, a message he still has on his system (ML
messages are deleted here after 90 days only), would you expect him to
dig into the archives and find out the URL to that message? Hardly
efficient.

MW> The bandwidth issue doesn't really affect me since I'm on a DSL link,
MW> but I'm considering those on slower links. It's true that it's not a
MW> lot of bytes and I probably shouldn't even think about it, but what
MW> about all the followup discussion this has caused? 

I understand you are not serious about this, as I (the guy with the slow
link, remember?) prefer mid's rather than links to the online-archive. ;-)

MW> For the same reason I usually try to refrain from being too much
MW> of a wiseass on listservs, but sometimes it just gets away from
MW> me...

Brhaha ;-) You couldn't restrain yourself this time, could you.


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Re: Colorized Signatures with Fixed Font

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Dierk,
On Saturday, June 1, 2002 at 10:20:51 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

DH> Hey, don't take the fun out of a good flame war between a man and
DH> himself ...

ROFL! Sorry, I didn't want to spoil anyone's fun. My apologies to Thomas
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Re: Macro quest... :-)

[Thomas F]

Hello Dierk,

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 10:17:25 +0200 GMT (01/06/02, 15:17 +0700 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

>> Seems that %ACCOUNT and %FROM don't mix too well :-(

DH> You are right. I am not quite sure if this behaviour can be changed by
DH> RITLabs, since the %ACCOUNT macro - IMO - is conceptually superior (in
DH> the sense of higher in the hierarchy) to the %FROM macro. It also
DH> changes the From header.

I do believe that the concept (and its superiority issues) you are
referring to was conceived by the Rit guys themselves. I also do not
see why a %From macro (read: command) issued later in an interpreter*
cannot be followed.

*Do people still know the idea of an interpreter versus a compiler in
computer lingo? If not, here it is: An interpreter translates and
executes line-by-line. That's what the TB macro machine does (or is
supposed to do).

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German->English translation

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Lars!

On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 7:18:57 PM you wrote:

> This is the correct translation. If that's what you call 'extremely
> poor', I don't want to know how good you are in the languages you speak
> fluently! ;-)

It wasn't just a good translation but also the second good one showing
up. May I remind all of us that the original was in Spanish. So we are
making mediate translations - the worst one can do ...

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Lars!

On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 7:15:27 PM you wrote:

> There is another alternative for the command line friends: :-)
> http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrarw32.exe offers a command line unRAR
> program which can handle all versions of RAR compression.

One more: Squeez (current version) does it. http://www.speedproject.de/ has a
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Re: Macro quest... :-)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Pekka!

On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 10:02:18 PM you wrote:

> Seems that %ACCOUNT and %FROM don't mix too well :-(

You are right. I am not quite sure if this behaviour can be changed by
RITLabs, since the %ACCOUNT macro - IMO - is conceptually superior (in
the sense of higher in the hierarchy) to the %FROM macro. It also
changes the From header.

You can OTOH just change your From address in the other account.




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Re: Colorized Signatures with Fixed Font

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Lars!

On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 11:24:31 PM you wrote:

> You surely realized that Thomas replied to his own message, didn't you?
> I think he's allowed to do this. :-)

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Re: How does one remove the [#] from replies?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Jack!

On Saturday, June 1, 2002 at 2:59:37 PM you wrote:

>   I'm using the Bat! version 1.53t.  I have no intentions of
> "downgrading" to 1.60 until it becomes more stable and less buggy.

Actually 1.60 is more stable and less buggy than 1.53. Ever thought
about the version you use? It came up to "t" to be "stable and
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Re: Drafts

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MW> Point well taken. But it still seems to me that the mid: link is
MW> *only* useful in the TBUDL context, or in a similar situation
MW> where a group of users has the same set of email archives to each
MW> other.

It doesn't have to only work in a user list setting. If we've been
exchanging mail privately and I wish to refer you to a message I sent
to you 2 months ago, a mid: link could make life much easier for you
where referring back to the message is concerned. That is unless you
delete your private mail as well.

MW> If I send you a mid: link to some other folder in my system it's
MW> useless to you. And a waste of bandwidth,

Is the less than a line of text really a significant waste of
bandwidth considering that others may benefit form its being there? :-)

MW> to get back to your point. All the mid: link did for me was to
MW> bring up the search window, since I had already deleted the
MW> original reference.


Yes, it didn't work because you delete a lot of your list messages
including the one the mid link pointed to. You'll therefore not find
them useful in many instances where you see them.

I don't use the list footers either since I don't need to. However, I
can't call them being there a waste of bandwidth. :-)

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Re[2]: Drafts

[Mark Wieder]

Saturday, June 1, 2002, 9:48:36 AM, you wrote:

ACM> It doesn't have to only work in a user list setting. If we've been
ACM> exchanging mail privately and I wish to refer you to a message I sent
ACM> to you 2 months ago, a mid: link could make life much easier for you
ACM> where referring back to the message is concerned. That is unless you
ACM> delete your private mail as well.

I do indeed. I don't regard email archives as particularly safe places
to store info I want to refer to later, especially with the random
corrupted messages bases I've run into occasionally. I keep my
attachments in separate folders (I wish this were the default setting
for TB) and I save emails with tips and such in separate files where
my OS can deal with finding them (and quite a few of your previous
emails are stored there). With TBUDL, I try to rely on the archives
rather than on my own saved emails.

ACM> Is the less than a line of text really a significant waste of
ACM> bandwidth considering that others may benefit form its being there? :-)

The bandwidth issue doesn't really affect me since I'm on a DSL link,
but I'm considering those on slower links. It's true that it's not a
lot of bytes and I probably shouldn't even think about it, but what
about all the followup discussion this has caused?  For the same
reason I usually try to refrain from being too much of a wiseass on
listservs, but sometimes it just gets away from me...

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Re: Drafts

[Thomas F]

Hello Mark,

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:34:04 -0700 GMT (01/06/02, 23:34 +0700 GMT),
Mark Wieder wrote:

MW> Point well taken. But it still seems to me that the mid: link is
MW> *only* useful in the TBUDL context, or in a similar situation where a
MW> group of users has the same set of email archives to each other. If I
MW> send you a mid: link to some other folder in my system it's useless to
MW> you. And a waste of bandwidth, to get back to your point.

I wouldn't say so. Of course, the link works only if I have the
message with that mid on my computer, too. But if I haven't no
bandwidth is wasted.

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Re[2]: Drafts

[Mark Wieder]

Thomas-

Point well taken. But it still seems to me that the mid: link is
*only* useful in the TBUDL context, or in a similar situation where a
group of users has the same set of email archives to each other. If I
send you a mid: link to some other folder in my system it's useless to
you. And a waste of bandwidth, to get back to your point. All the mid:
link did for me was to bring up the search window, since I had already
deleted the original reference.

Friday, May 31, 2002, 9:26:25 PM, you wrote:

TF> If I have the message on my computer, it shows up in a fraction of a
TF> second. If I have to connect to the archives, I would probably not
TF> even bother.

TF> I am currently downloading TB 1.60n at a speed of 853 bps, if you get
TF> my meaning. Not every country has broadband access.

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Re: Re[2]: how to setup The Bat to use a proxy

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Hi Lynn,
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:11:23 -0700, you wrote:

> JA> Depends on the software.  Wingate sometimes screws things like that
> JA> up... But you are right... most semi-decent transparent proxies allow
> JA> you to just fill in the normal details of the server ;)
> 
> I'm using Wingate, and just have to use the wingate server
> ip as POP/SMTP and for user, user#myisp.com. We have
> several mailboxes on one account, and TB gets them all
> correctly.

That is what I meant... Wingate doesn't do transparent proxying, and you have to
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Re: How does one remove the [#] from replies?

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Julian Beach (Lists),

On Saturday, June 01 2002 at 06:05 AM PDT, you wrote:

> In version 1.60m, you need to go into account properties, templates,
> reply, and uncheck "Use Reply numbers in subject line".  I don't know
> if this is the same in 1.53t.

You are right... in earlier versions you have to include the %SINGLERE
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Using Reply numbering should never be the default setting, and instead an
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Re[2]: how to setup The Bat to use a proxy

[Lynn Turriff]

Friday, May 31, 2002, 1:47:08 PM, you wrote:

JA> On Friday, May 31, 2002, Roel wrote...

>> I'm behind a firewall/proxy as well, and all I have to do is fill in
>> the standard information: your proxy should forward these connections
>> without any further configuration necessary (if it is a transparent
>> proxy offcourse, but most proxy's nowadays are)

JA> Depends on the software.  Wingate sometimes screws things like that
JA> up... But you are right... most semi-decent transparent proxies allow
JA> you to just fill in the normal details of the server ;)

I'm using Wingate, and just have to use the wingate server
ip as POP/SMTP and for user, user#myisp.com. We have
several mailboxes on one account, and TB gets them all
correctly.

So far, that's worked for all the mailers I've tried which
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Re: Reading calender data from a .pst-file

[Blarp]

Hi Marcus,

MO> Does anyone know a program I can use to read this data? I do not want
MO> to install Outlook on my system.

PST files are unique to Outlook and require that program
to open them. They are extremely complex. The calendar info can be
exported (using Outlook) to VCF and comma delimted format. Also,
Outlook can serve up the data in the PST through OLE to other programs
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Re: How does one remove the [#] from replies?

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Hi Jack,
On Saturday, June 1, 2002 at 08:59:37 [GMT -0400], you wrote:

JMI> I'm using the Bat! version 1.53t. I have no intentions of
JMI> "downgrading" to 1.60 until it becomes more stable and less buggy.

>From my personal experience I'd say that 1.60 is stable and doesn't have
so many serious bugs, at least with 1.60n (and I didn't run into so much
problems with all the other letters before n, either). But nobody forces
you to "upgrade". :-)

JMI> Is there any possible way of removing the [#] after Re when
JMI> replying to a message?

With your version, you have to add %SINGLERE to your your reply
template(s). This was really made a lot easier with 1.60 as Julian
pointed out already.

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Re: How does one remove the [#] from replies?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi III,

@01 June 2002, 08:59:37 -0400 (13:59 UK time) Jack Murphy, III wrote
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>   I'm using the Bat! version 1.53t.  I have no intentions of
> "downgrading" to 1.60 until it becomes more stable and less buggy.
> Anyway, I love the Bat!, but there's one thing that majorly annoys
> me.  Is there any possible way of removing the [#] after Re when
> replying to a message?  I.e. Re[2]: Whatever, etc.  Any help with
> this matter would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you!

Yes - downgrade to 1.60n  (SCNR). It has a clear option to turn
this off.

Using earlier versions of TB, add the %SINGLERE macro to any reply
templates to override the numbered Re format where required.

Release 'n' is now under test and resolves all outstanding "show
stopper" bugs in the 1.60 release. That's not all bugs, but all *new*
bugs (resource leaks, S/MIME issues, blah).

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Reading calender data from a .pst-file

[Marcus Ohlström]

I've got a .pst-file exported from Outlook which, among other things,
contains a lot of calender data.

Does anyone know a program I can use to read this data? I do not want
to install Outlook on my system.

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Re: How does one remove the [#] from replies?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, June 1, 2002, 1:59:37 PM, Jack Murphy, III wrote:

>   I'm using the Bat! version 1.53t.  I have no intentions of
> "downgrading" to 1.60 until it becomes more stable and less buggy.
> Anyway, I love the Bat!, but there's one thing that majorly annoys
> me.  Is there any possible way of removing the [#] after Re when
> replying to a message?  I.e. Re[2]: Whatever, etc.  Any help with
> this matter would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you!

In version 1.60m, you need to go into account properties, templates,
reply, and uncheck "Use Reply numbers in subject line".  I don't know
if this is the same in 1.53t.

You can also use the macro SINGLERE to turn it off in a template.


Julian

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How does one remove the [#] from replies?

[Jack Murphy, III]

Hello tbudl,

  I'm using the Bat! version 1.53t.  I have no intentions of
"downgrading" to 1.60 until it becomes more stable and less buggy.
Anyway, I love the Bat!, but there's one thing that majorly annoys
me.  Is there any possible way of removing the [#] after Re when
replying to a message?  I.e. Re[2]: Whatever, etc.  Any help with
this matter would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you!

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Re: how to setup The Bat to use a proxy

[David Elliott]

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Hi Oliver

On 31 May 2002 at 22:44:46 +0100 (which was 22:44 where I live) Oliver
Antosch rearranged electrons to get

I have read the rest of the thread so this is more for information

> I use Proxy+

If it is the one from http://www.proxyplus.cz/ (which has been updated
recently) then the steps are as this.

(1) In the Proxy + admin go to Proxy Settings | Proxies | Mapped links

(2) Now you add 2 mapped links

(3) Choose TCP and a port e.g. 5025

(4) Next the target host for example smtp.gmx.de:25

(5) Choose TCP and a port e.g. 5110

(6) Next the target host for example pop3.gmx.de:110

(7) Next to alter your mail settings on The Bat! (or any other mail client)

(8) In The Bat! Account | Properties | Transport. Change the smtp server to
your proxy server adderss e.g. 192.168.0.1 and change the port number to
5025.

(9) In the same screen. Change the Mail server to your proxy server adderss
e.g. 192.168.0.1 and change the port number to 5110.

and that should be it.

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Re: mid: links [was Re: Drafts]

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Saturday, June 1, 2002, 12:34:39 AM, Adam wrote:

> I tried clicking on that mid link.  But nothing happened. Does
> something happen for you?

By click, read double-click, at least on my PC.  If TB cannot find the
message, it pops up a dialog asking where it should look, and if it
cannot then find the message, it displays a message saying so.


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Re: Drafts

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On 31 May 2002 at 22:59:45 +0200 (which was 21:59 where I live) Miguel A.
Urech graced us with these comments

>> Another one is a message parked in the Outbox, is a message that has been
>> completed but you don't want to send yet.

> Right. And one of the reasons for not wanting to send it yet may be that
> the message is not complete :)

and that is a draft.

I find that it is very dangerous not to have the ability to distinguish
between a message that is unfinished and one that is finished but not ready
to send.

It might be parked in the outbox for a number of different reasons my main
one is that I don't want to send the message yet but after an event or time
that I waiting for.

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Re: Drafts

[Thomas F]

Hello Adam,

On Fri, 31 May 2002 20:04:13 -0230 GMT (01/06/02, 05:34 +0700 GMT),
Adam wrote:

TF>> Yes. I have such messages in a Common Folder. You can call this
TF>> folder Drafts or Templates, as you wish.

A> How do you get messages in there?

Drag & Drop. If it is a incoming message, then you just d&d. If you
want to create a template from scratch, you hit New Message in any
account, type your template, Save as Draft, and then d&d from the
Outbox to your Keepers folder.

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