Re:Can't Delete Zombie Messages

[Clive Taylor]

Hi Clive,

> Have you tried running folder|compress on the individual folder (right
> click option)?

Sorry, had a brain slip. There’s no right click option for this.
Instead go folder|compress with the focus on the folder you want to
operate on.
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Re[2]: Temp Files

[Michael Thompson]

Hello Jonathan,

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, at 00:10:46 [GMT -0500] (which was 06:10 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:




JA> On Friday, September 26, 2003, Michael Thompson wrote...

>>   Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the massive amount of
>>   tempory files the bat now leaves hanging round in the tempory
>>   folder?

JA> Are you running a virus scanner such as Norton, or the likes? If
JA> Norton has a lock on the file (which it can do while it is scanning
JA> it), TB cannot delete it, and as such shall leave it. Remember most
JA> scanners do virus scans on opening a file, and writing a file. To do a
JA> virus scan safely, it has to get in front of the application that is
JA> trying to open it, and as such, will perform an OS level lock it until
JA> the file is finished with. Larger emails are likely to be more likely
JA> to be subject to longer waiting periods for the files to be released.



Nope. The AV on this system is set up to ignore the Bat Mail folders.
But that may be worth looking into. Thanks Jon.

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Re:Can't Delete Zombie Messages

[Clive Taylor]

Hi Edward,

> Yet these 59 zombie messages are still shown in inbox folder in The
> Bat!   I've run folder maintenance to no avail.

Have you tried running folder|compress on the individual folder (right
click option)?
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Re: Selective Download inconsistencies

[Peter Asenbauer]

Hi ken,

Saturday, September 27, 2003, 4:16:56 AM, you wrote:

> I am going to create separate files for ignore_subject, ignore_from,
> kill_subject, kill_from, etc..

> Is this what other people are doing?

This is what I am doing. However, I'm not ignoring, but deleting
unwanted messages. Having accidently (and still not knowing why)
deleted a non-spam-msg of minor importance I have now activated the
automatic mail dispatcher every time I check mail (for the account
involved).

Btw:

You may remember someone on the list once mentioned killfiling mail
that has an "X-MSMail-Priority:" flag in the header *and* mentions
"X-Mailer: The Bat" in the headers, because TB!-maild doesn't show
this combination. I checked may spam and now I'm also killing messages
with the "X-MSMail-Priority:" flag *plus* any of the following strings
in the header:

X-Mailer: The Bat
X-Mailer: CyberCreek Avalanche Millennium
X-Mailer: AOL
X-Mailer: McSyn Mailer Pro
X-Mailer: MMailer
Windows Eudora
X-Mailer: MIME-tools
X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster
X-Mailer: xp rveys
X-Mailer: superx-mailer

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Re: Why cant I copy and paste address to Bat?

[Jonathan Angliss]

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On Friday, September 26, 2003, John wrote...

E>> Don't know. I just did a right-click/select all/copy of your post
E>> to the mailing list. I am now going to control/v it into this
E>> message. I am *not* using HTML by choice.

> I was trying to copy and address from a web page to the grayed
> out TO filed in Bat. Wouldn't let me do it. Also why is that field
> grayed out?

Interesting... I copied the autogenerated email just fine... are you
sure that was all you got, and didn't get some extra data like a break
character? The To field is gray, but still selectable... that's the
design of the form... you are using the right side of the | in the To
box, and not the left?

> I could do it in Agent however

Maybe Agent is ignoring certain characters?

What editor are you using?  HTML? Plain Text? Can you paste the text
into Notepad, and check to ensure you didn't pick up extra characters?

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Re: Temp Files

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On Friday, September 26, 2003, Michael Thompson wrote...

>   Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the massive amount of
>   tempory files the bat now leaves hanging round in the tempory
>   folder?

Are you running a virus scanner such as Norton, or the likes? If
Norton has a lock on the file (which it can do while it is scanning
it), TB cannot delete it, and as such shall leave it. Remember most
scanners do virus scans on opening a file, and writing a file. To do a
virus scan safely, it has to get in front of the application that is
trying to open it, and as such, will perform an OS level lock it until
the file is finished with. Larger emails are likely to be more likely
to be subject to longer waiting periods for the files to be released.

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Re: Strange and very annoying: I now often get prompted for username/pwd - what can I do? (TB! 1.62)

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On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, gd_news wrote...

> I'm using The Bat! 1.62, there are multiple mail accounts set up.
> These accounts use different providers. The PC is connected to a LAN
> all the time.

> Now, sometimes when the automatic mailbox check is done or when I
> press "check mail for all", I get prompted with a window to confirm
> username and password and a checkbox named "Update account's data".
> This shouldn't happen - the accounts have not changed in any way.

> When I press "OK", The Bat! reports an error... (mostly: connection
> to host broken). When I then press "get new mail" for this
> mailaccount, it works without error - so the settings were still
> correct!

Have you checked the error messages in the log? I see this from time
to time when a connection gets killed for whatever reason, and you
attempt to connect before the lock file on the server is removed. The
server returns an error message about not being able to log in because
of the lock file, but TB sometimes prompts for the user/pass
combination again. As they are valid, by the time you click OK, the
lock has been removed because they tend to have an expire time.
Outlook is terrible for doing that, I noticed it a lot on networks
with WinGate as a proxy server.

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Re: why do i get emails, that are directed towards news@ritlabs.com???????

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On Friday, September 26, 2003, altitona wrote...

> After your news-mail I get spam like the following mail, how can it happen?

This almost looks like somebody didn't set the list to moderators
posting only... You really should speak to RitLabs, as the people on
this list have little control over their lists. TBUDL is run and
maintained by The Bat! users.

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Re[7]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?

[Vishal]

Hi Günter

Monday, September 22, 2003, 6:27:38 PM, you wrote:

GM> By negative selection :-)

I see :) I don't have that many filters set up so I can't do that. But I've
restricted the ticker to just one folder too so it shouldn't be too intrusive.
Finding a screen position that doesn't interfere with my other apps is another
matter, but I can get by.

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Re[2]: Selective Download inconsistencies

[Neal Laugman]

Ken,

Friday, September 26, 2003, 6:16:56 PM, you wrote:

kg> Well, no one else seems to be responding  so I will.

Did you not get the off-list email I sent you within 10 minutes of
your request of me?

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Re: Multiple Responses re. Selective Download Filter Syntax

[ken green]

Joseph N. wrote:
> * To Ken:
> You've probably already fixed your situation, but the signal string I
> was using for selective downloads is the one I posted with my initial
> query.

Maybe I am misreading the Help system, but I thought that Selective
Download did not allow TB's 'special syntax' - so I don't understand the
prefixes you are using in your list (MainSet:)

How does:
MainSet: microsoft
MainSet: Internet
MainSet: critical

Differ from:
   microsoft
   Internet
   critical
  ??


> It was only about 65% effective, so I have switched
> strategies.  I am now filtering at the ISP level for all messages over
> a certain size.  Since I only use this address for newsgroups and
> mailing lists, it should work fine; at least, it has been working so
> far today


Has that method been consistent? I tried this too, and it has worked for
the Swen.A messages so far. I set my threshold at 90K. But for some
reason, it still allowed a 110K message through. ??

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Re: Selective Download inconsistencies

[ken green]

> I am concerned that my Selected Download filters aren't working right.


Well, no one else seems to be responding  so I will.

I think part of my problem may be that I'm using filter strings with the
'Entire Header' option checked.  Many of the strings I was using were
really only appropriate filters for subject lines or from.

I am going to create separate files for ignore_subject, ignore_from,
kill_subject, kill_from, etc..

Is this what other people are doing?

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Re: Temp Files

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Edgar,

On Sep 26, 2003, 22:30 +0200 (4:30 PM local time), Edgar [E] wrote in
:

E> are about 119 temp files from TB! for the last 3 days, still in my
E> temp directory.

Save yourself some frustration and use this freeware utility Empty
Temp Folders. You can empty the many directories of garbage windows
creates with a simple mouse click.

http://www.danish-shareware.dk/soft/emptemp/index.html

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Can't Delete Zombie Messages

[Edward J. Krall]

Hello Batpeople,

I upgraded to V2, and find that I am having a hard time (=impossible)
deleting messages.

I am using POP3 since IMAP is not yet working.  Messages which are
filtered and downloaded are removed from the server, which is what I
want.  There are others that I want to download "by hand"  then delete
from the server.  I have tried everything: moving to trash, pressing
delete (this gives an access violation), using the dispatcher (but
they are not shown in the dispatcher window), and even deleting the
files MESSAGES.TBI and MESSAGES.TBB from the /inbox directory.
Yet these 59 zombie messages are still shown in inbox folder in The
Bat!   I've run folder maintenance to no avail.

Suggestions please!





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Re[2]: How to filter Worm (the Microsoft one)

[Neal Laugman]

NL> I am reg-ex challenged and I wish I had that kind of a solution for
NL> you. Use these two filter files in two selective download filters and
NL> that should get 90% of them. I've been getting 1 every minute or two.

NL> Check the text first so you don't miss anything you really need before
NL> you install them. Good luck.

Well, filter.zip that containt the two text files did not show up in
the previous mail. Are attachments not allowed here? May I just post
the text filters in the email?

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Re: How to filter Worm (the Microsoft one)

[Neal Laugman]

Friday, September 26, 2003, 2:42:16 PM, you wrote:

CGS> How do I filter this? The message text changes a little bit each time and I
CGS> can't filter for an attachment length.
CGS> Can anyone please just quickly post a working filter for this.

I am reg-ex challenged and I wish I had that kind of a solution for
you. Use these two filter files in two selective download filters and
that should get 90% of them. I've been getting 1 every minute or two.

Check the text first so you don't miss anything you really need before
you install them. Good luck.

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Re[2]: collapsing a thread

[Allen]

9/25/2003, 11:41 PM: Thomas said in "collapsing a thread"

TF> Has it been added to the wishlist?

I've now added it, #0001757

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How to filter Worm (the Microsoft one)

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

Hi all,

For about a week now I get tons of email with this worm that pretends
coming from Microsoft and being a security update (most of you will know
the worm, I think it is called Swen). In the beginning I thought my
internet provider would filter it after a day or it would just stop, but
it's getting more and more.

There are two emails, one appearing to be from Microsoft, another one
telling me that a message couldn't be deliver. Both have this 106K
attachment containing the worm.
How do I filter this? The message text changes a little bit each time and I
can't filter for an attachment length.
Can anyone please just quickly post a working filter for this.

Thanx,
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Re: glyphs.bmp

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Steve,

Friday, September 26, 2003, 2:40:36 PM, you wrote:

SMK> Yes, that's what I mean. Some of the icons are easy to figure
SMK> out, but some not. For example, I'd like the upload icon to
SMK> change colors, say to red, when messages are waiting to upload. I
SMK> know which icon starts the upload, but can I do the color change?
SMK> A map of what each icon in glyphs.bmp stands for would really
SMK> help.


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Steve.

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message
and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we
actually request that you not do so on this list because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top
of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which
you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then
below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more
than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and
follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you
may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this.
However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer
and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that
will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll
likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is
comfortable for them to read and understand.

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Re[2]: Temp Files

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

At 4:30 PM on 9/26/2003, Edgar typed ...

E> There  are about 119 temp files from TB! for the last 3 days, still in
E> my temp directory.

Lots of files in my temp directory (thanks for the reminder to clean
it out) but none of those files was a Bat file. I'm on XP (as are you)
so apparently it's not an OS thing.

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Re: glyphs.bmp

[Steve & Mary King]

Yes, that's what I mean.  Some of the icons are easy to figure out, but
some not.  For example, I'd like the upload icon to change colors, say to
red, when messages are waiting to upload.  I know which icon starts the
upload, but can I do the color change?  A map of what each icon in
glyphs.bmp stands for would really help.

Steve . . .

 Christopher, Friday, September 26, 2003, 11:02:54 AM, you wrote:==

> Hi Thomas,

TF>> Steve & Mary King wrote:
>>> Does anybody where there's a map to the functions of the icons in
>>> glyphs.bmp?
TF>> It's a straight-forward bmp file, no functions included.

> I think he means a description of what each icon is used for. Most
> are straightforward just by looking at them, but some are not.




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Re: Temp Files

[Edgar]

Hello Michael,

Friday, September 26, 2003, 8:52:23 PM, you wrote:

>   Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the massive amount of
>   tempory files the bat now leaves hanging round in the tempory
>   folder?

There  are about 119 temp files from TB! for the last 3 days, still in
my temp directory.

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Re: Temp Files

[MAU]

Hello Michael,

> Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the massive amount of
> tempory files the bat now leaves hanging round in the tempory folder?

I don't know if it is just you, or not. But I can say that "my TB"
doesn't leave a single temp file hanging around.

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Temp Files

[Michael Thompson]

Hello TBUDL,

  Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the massive amount of
  tempory files the bat now leaves hanging round in the tempory
  folder?

  I have over the past few days deleted thousands.



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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:46:30 +0100 GMT (27/09/2003, 00:46 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Hodgson wrote:

>   Not  just Jaws but any new windows screen reader.  This is called MS
>   Active Accessability (MSAA), and is how we generally read web pages.

I know this was posted before, but do you have the direct link to MSAA
handy?

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Re[2]: glyphs.bmp

[Christopher Brown]

Hi Thomas,

TF> Steve & Mary King wrote:
>> Does anybody where there's a map to the functions of the icons in
>> glyphs.bmp?
TF> It's a straight-forward bmp file, no functions included.

I think he means a description of what each icon is used for. Most are straightforward 
just by looking at them, but some are not.

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why do i get emails, that are directed towards news@ritlabs.com???????

[altitona]

After your news-mail I get spam like the following mail, how can it happen?

copy of spam:

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Received: (qmail 31344 invoked by uid 65534); 26 Sep 2003 16:37:38 -
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Received: from host-212.56.203.146.mldnet.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
by argus.ritlabs.com (8.12.8/VU) with ESMTP id h8QFuo1D031273;
Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:56:54 +0300
Received: from mail21b.london21-verio.com (mail21b.london21-verio.com
[213.130.33.22])
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for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:49:22 +0300
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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Andrew Hodgson]

  Hello Thomas,

Friday, September 26, 2003, 5:29:55 PM, you wrote:

[...]>> trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked.

TF> Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty
TF> unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which
TF> doesn't require to "train" Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't
TF> run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself.

  Not  just Jaws but any new windows screen reader.  This is called MS
  Active Accessability (MSAA), and is how we generally read web pages.

Hope this helps,

Andrew.
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Re: glyphs.bmp

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Steve,

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:40:52 -0700 GMT (26/09/2003, 20:40 +0700 GMT),
Steve & Mary King wrote:

> Does anybody where there's a map to the functions of the icons in
> glyphs.bmp?

It's a straight-forward bmp file, no functions included.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Krister,

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:49:15 +0200 GMT (26/09/2003, 15:49 +0700 GMT),
Krister Ekstrom wrote:

TF>> Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be
TF>> reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the graphic
TF>> first. And then you have to hit tab 13 (!) times to reach the Items
TF>> field.

> This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is
> visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to
> find the button for the template dialog. It's doable, but could get
> better.

I will just put in the bug report that "tab" doesn't do what it
should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? -
I think they forgot this "little" detail when they rewrote most of the
code...

TF>> Message Depatcher:

TF>> List boxes can still not be seen.

> Correction: the list boxes are perfectly navigable, but the check
> boxes for read, open, delete and fetch aren't recognized. This was
> trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked.

Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty
unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which
doesn't require to "train" Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't
run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself.

> I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21,
> (http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk) the screen reader i'm using, but i will
> and get back with a report on how this goes.

I'm looking forward to your report. I will also check out whether Hal
runs on my computer (if they offer a trial version, that is).

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Re[2]: Why cant I copy and paste address to Bat?

[John]

E> I am not certain what you are saying, John.  It tells you at
E> the website to make up your own address on the spot.  Why
E> would you want an auto-generated address when you are going
E> to be using this on the fly and can make up any address at
E> any time anywhere (provided you remember what it is so you
E> can retrieve a message from the website).

E> Where do you think it is auto-generating an address for you?
E> I don't see it.  I do see what appears to be a format
E> address so you can check to see how it works when you have
E> created your own address and seek to obtain email sent to
E> it.

E> Elaine


>> http://www.mailinator.com/mailinator/Welcome.do

Actually  you  have  the  option of doing both. You can
make  up  an  email on the fly say you are out some
where... or if you go to the web page it auto generates
one for you to use

Look  right  below  where it says to chk your email. It
says:


> Want an autogenerated email?

>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>Check that inbox HERE

 
That  email  address  above is auto generated everytime
you visit the web page.

My question is this when I am at my desk and need a
throw  away  email.  I  will use the auto generated
one.  BUT.  I  can not seem to just copy it off the
web page and then paste it into Bats email fields





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Re:IMAP

[Clive Taylor]

Hi Dave,

> Now obviously I'm an IMAP newbie and perhaps am not entirely
> understanding how IMAP is supposed to work, but some things just
> don't seem right

IMAP is not well implemented in TB so far this version. I regard it as
work in progress and have given up using it until the various issues,
some of which you describe here, are resolved (which I'm sure they
will be in due course).

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Re: Why cant I copy and paste address to Bat?

[Mary Bull]

Hello John!

On Friday, September 26, 2003, 10:22 AM, you wrote:

J> When  you  go  to Mailnator it ail auto generate a
J> one  time  use  only  address for you. Look right below
J> where it says to check mail

J> If  you drag across that auto generated address and then
J> "copy" it.. then start a new message in Bat and try
J> and  paste  it  into  the "to" field. it win paste
J> into it

Try using the keys: CTRL-c (copy) and CTRL-v (paste). This often works
for me when other methods won't. I've never failed to have it copy
anything out of the Header fields to anywhere that I wanted to put it,
including the To: field.

Let me know if it works for you, please. :)

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Re: IMAP

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 Hello Dave,

Friday, September 26, 2003, 4:42:04 PM, you wrote:

DG> * I seem to be unable to import messages into an IMAP folder. I
DG> would like to import locally stored messages from my POP account.
DG> I do Tools / Import / TBB and select the appropriate TBB. It says
DG> they are imported, but they apparently only display locally and
DG> have no persistance. After TB is closed and reopened, the
DG> imported messages are not there. Shouldn't imported messages
DG> write back to the server as part of synchronization? Or is this
DG> just the nature of the beast? Is there any way to do what I'm
DG> intending (aside from a redirect and losing date/time info)?

  I  had the same issue, and for some other reasons including this one
  and  the  fact  that filters won't work in Imap, I am using pop3 for
  the moment.

Andrew.


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Re:Why cant I copy and paste address to Bat?

[Clive Taylor]

Hi John,

> If you drag across that auto generated address and then "copy"
> it.. then start a new message in Bat and try and paste it into
> the "to" field. it win paste into it

It works here. How are you copying and pasting the address, ctrl+C,
ctrl+v?
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Re: V2 Some observations

[MAU]

Hello Gerard,

> It gets obvious if you do it with 20-30 or more.

Not here, sorry.

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IMAP

[Dave Gorman]

Hi TBUDLers,

I've not paid much attention to IMAP threads previously as I
didn't have an IMAP capable account set up. But now I have an
IMAP account and have been attempting to use it. Now obviously
I'm an IMAP newbie and perhaps am not entirely understanding how
IMAP is supposed to work, but some things just don't seem right.

* 2 folders that were deleted days ago (and are no longer on the
server) continue to appear in my account folder list. If I try to
delete them, I am told they no longer exist. The only way to be
rid of them was to delete the account altogether and readd it.
This seems a cumbersome and impractical thing to have to do any
time folders are deleted. Surely this isn't the way it's supposed
to work?

* I sometimes get access violation errors dealing with folders,
particularly sub-folders. Is this a yet-to-be-addressed bug?

* I seem to be unable to import messages into an IMAP folder. I
would like to import locally stored messages from my POP account.
I do Tools / Import / TBB and select the appropriate TBB. It says
they are imported, but they apparently only display locally and
have no persistance. After TB is closed and reopened, the
imported messages are not there. Shouldn't imported messages
write back to the server as part of synchronization? Or is this
just the nature of the beast? Is there any way to do what I'm
intending (aside from a redirect and losing date/time info)?

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Address Book

[Freddie Freeloader]

Hello tbudl,

  I use the Palm desktop as my primary address book.  I know, ugly
  compared to the TB address book, but I need them on the road.  I
  export the Palm data to a .vcf file and then import into TB.

  After import, the "Display Name as" field is set to "User defined."
  The result of this setting is that, for TB to find an entry when
  generating a new message, I must type the first name then last name
  to get a hit.

  If I change the "Display Name as" field to "Last, first middle",
  then I can type the last name, comma, first name in a new message
  and get a hit, which is what I want to do.

  How can I globally change the "Display Name as" field to "Last,
  first middle"?  Must I change each entry one at a time?

  Using TB 2.00.6

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Re[2]: Why cant I copy and paste address to Bat?

[John]

E> John,

E> I pasted this in

E> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (suggested format)

Elaine and others

Im still not sure Ive expressed myself fully

When  you  go  to Mailnator it ail auto generate a
one  time  use  only  address for you. Look right below
where it says to check mail

If  you drag across that auto generated address and then
"copy" it.. then start a new message in Bat and try
and  paste  it  into  the "to" field. it win paste
into it

And  again...  why  are these fields greyed out anyway?
Just curious



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Re[2]: Why cant I copy and paste address to Bat?

[John]

E> Don't know.  I just did a right-click/select all/copy of
E> your post to the mailing list.  I am now going to control/v
E> it into this message.  I am *not* using HTML by choice.

E> Elaine

Elaine  I was trying to copy and address from a web
page to the grayed out TO filed in Bat. Wouldn't let
me do it. Also why is that field grayed out?

I could do it in Agent however

I was trying to create a one time use only email address
using Mailnator

see link for what Im talking abt

http://www.mailinator.com/mailinator/Welcome.do



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Re: V2 Some observations

[Gerard]

ON Friday, September 26, 2003, 4:16:51 PM, you wrote:

M> I use Ctrl+M some times and haven't notice anything. At least anything
M> significant enough to catch my attention.

Hi Miguel,

It gets obvious if you do it with 20-30 or more.
I do over a 100 sometimes and were 1.6 and lower was done when you
looked at the keyboard it now takes close to a second with 100 msg¦s

This is not a big problem but I hope this isn¦t the start of a slowdown
in performance. The reason that TB! could handle large qty of mail was my
main reason for buying it.

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Re: V2 Some observations

[MAU]

Hello Gerard,

>>> 4) V2 seems slightly slower then the previous version on some actions.
>>> I regularly mark folder read with 80 msg. This is visibly slower in V2
> 
M>> Don't quite understand what you mean.
> 
> Go to a folder with a number of unread msg. Select "Mark all read" or
> use Ctrl-M. Notice the delay.

I use Ctrl+M some times and haven't notice anything. At least anything
significant enough to catch my attention.

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Why cant I copy and paste address to Bat?

[John]

I  just  tried  copying  an email and pasting it into a
email I was composing in Bat

It wont let me paste it!

Yet I can paste it if composing an email in Agent/

Advice?



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glyphs.bmp

[Steve & Mary King]

Does anybody where there's a map to the functions of the icons in
glyphs.bmp?

Thanks!

Steve . . .



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Re: V2 Some observations

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 1:19:57 PM, you wrote:
>> 4) V2 seems slightly slower then the previous version on some actions.
>> I regularly mark folder read with 80 msg. This is visibly slower in V2

M> Don't quite understand what you mean.

Go to a folder with a number of unread msg. Select "Mark all read" or
use Ctrl-M. Notice the delay.


>> 5) A file that is saved to the virtual folder "my documents" is save
>> to the real folder AND PATH of the user on win2K.

M> That is not a TB issue, is the normal behaviour of My Documents in
M> Win2K.


I forgot to mention that it was saved to a different user, and therefor
didn¦t so up in the My Documents folder.

I shuld explain that I installed TB! using an other User, but both have
Admin rights.


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Re: attachment details in the sent email printout

[MAU]

Hello pradeep_minoo,

> thanks, it worked.

:-))

> btw is icon (say word document icon) is possible in the print out

I don't think it is possible. At least I don't know how.

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Re[2]: Help with AddHeader, SetHeader ?

[Mark L]

Hello Jim,

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 11:37:31 PM, you wrote:

>> Try for example %SETHEADER("X-My-Header","BlaBla"), but You must add
>> "X-My-Header" field to "Preferences | Message headers" dialog first.

JD> Ahhh... now that worked!  Thanks... s.. what's the difference
JD> between %SETHEADER and %ADDHEADER  ???
X-My-Header="OValue"
then
%SETHEADER("X-My-Header","BlaBla")
X-My-Header="BlaBla"
but
%ADDHEADER("X-My-Header","BlaBla")
X-My-Header="OValueBlaBla"
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Re[2]: attachment details in the sent email printout

[pradeep_minoo]

Hello MAU,
  thanks, it worked..
  btw is icon (say word document icon) is possible
  in the print out

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 7:17:27 PM, you wrote:

M> Hello pradeep_minoo,

>>   can u pl. elaborate..how to do that..
>>   using ver 2.00.6
>>   thanks

M> On the main TB window menu select Message/Print Setup/Template and, for
M> example below %Text, include the macro %ATTACHMENTS.




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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

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Hi Thomas,
In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 26 Sep 2003 10:37:19  (my local time 05:37:19), you typed:
TF> Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be
TF> reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the graphic
TF> first. And then you have to hit tab 13 (!) times to reach the Items
TF> field.

This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is
visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to
find the button for the template dialog. It's doable, but could get
better.


TF> Message Depatcher:

TF> List boxes can still not be seen.

Correction: the list boxes are perfectly navigable, but the check
boxes for read, open, delete and fetch aren't recognized. This was
trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked.
I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21,
(http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk) the screen reader i'm using, but i will
and get back with a report on how this goes.
It's interesting to see peoples different needs. It's so easy even for
a blind person like myself to assume that *all* blind have almost the
same needs, but that's not true. I fore one am not that interested in
the html piece of things, while others apparently are. It would of
course be nice to have access even to html, but i really don't think
it's top priority, unless of course there's a way to add urls to IE or
NS favourites, which i don't think there is.


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Hi Bat! people,
I'm trying to write an encrypted mail using TB 2.00.06 & GnuPg v1.22
Nr2 Nullify using the builtin support for Gpg.
When i try to encrypt to an unsigned key, the program tells me the
program isn't sure whether the key really belongs to whom it claims to
belong to, and this is write, however if you use Gpg without the
plugin it lets me choose whether i want to go on encrypting anyway or
just leave it be, a thing the bat!'s builtin support doesn't offer. In
other words, the built-in support forces me to sign a key before i can
use it.
I understand the security thinking behind this but should i consider
this a bug or a feature? I myself consider it a buglet which i hope
will be fixed in future versions, since i want to avoid having to use
gpgtray as much as possible when using TB!.
TIA for any answers or help regarding this.
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