Re: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)

[Allie Martin]

Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote:

RG> Auto-format IS checked. Sometimes the editor wraps 1 way, sometimes
RG> another, and sometimes not at all. If I just type it wraps, if I
RG> paste text into a paragraph it doesn't.

MicroEd doesn't soft wrap. When you paste text in an editor that behaves
as you're familiar with, it soft wraps the pasted text. It will not hard
wrap it. Same for MicroEd. If you wish the pasted text to be wrapped,
then use the 'paste formatted' option, i.e., Shift+Ctrl+Ins.

RG> When I do type, it does wrap but even then it wraps differently than
RG> the line length it snaps to on invoking ALT-L.

Auto-format's wrapping is in fact somewhat different to Alt-L.

Autoformat will not remove extra spaces between words. As a result, it
will not remove an initial paragraph indentation and it will not remove
the extra-space that so many like to put after 'periods'.

RG> Editing the paragraph (inserting and deleting text here and there
RG> throughout) causes the lines to grow and shrink depending on what I
RG> do.

This sort of thing occurs without Autoformat enabled. With autoformat
enabled, as soon as you type a character, the text block is reflowed.

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Re[2]: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)

[rich gregory]

AM> auto-format enabled, fresh text will be wrapped as you type. Ensure that
AM> autoformat is enabled by looking for the check mark beside it in the
AM> Utilities menu of the editor.

Auto-format IS checked. Sometimes the editor wraps 1 way, sometimes another, and
sometimes not at all. If I just type it wraps, if I paste text into a
paragraph it doesn't. When I do type, it does wrap but even then it wraps differently
than the line length it snaps to on invoking ALT-L.  Editing the paragraph
(inserting and deleting text here and there throughout) causes the lines to
grow and shrink depending on what I do.  (Then, of course, I have to hit
ALT-L before I send so that the lines are sent wrapping correctly.

This is why I am asking for a setting that will be like having an ALT-L
function performed on the whole email message as it is edited.

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Move messages older than 30 days

[tb]

I know you can do this, but my situation is problematic. I have 4 mailing
lists, I want to filter them manually from time to time so that mail older
than 30 days is moved to a subfolder called 'old'.

I tried this and forgot that every filter I created for each subfolder
actually runs on every subfolder, making me wonder what the 'Source Folder'
is for. It's not documented of course.

But anyway, the result is the messages older than 30 days go into the 'old'
folder of the first filter.

How do I create a filter, or one per mailing list which will move the
messages into a subfolder called old if they are older than 30 days without
conflicting with each other. Is this even possible short of coming up with
manual execution shortcut keys for each one?

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Re: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)

[Allie Martin]

Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote:

RG> I was not referring to quoted text. Would that setting affect
RG> "fresh" text I am inputting?

Smartwrapping will wrap quoted material when the reply is generated.

With auto-format enabled, fresh text will be wrapped as you type. Ensure
that autoformat is enabled by looking for the check mark beside it in
the Utilities menu of the editor.

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Re[2]: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)

[rich gregory]

RG>> I have autoformat turned ON in the preferences and yet I STILL
RG>> have to press ALT-L on each and every paragraph in any email I am
RG>> composing that does not wrap by itself!
AM> Try the 'smart wrapping of quoted text' option in the editor
AM> preferences.

I was not referring to quoted text.  Would that setting affect "fresh" text I
am inputting?

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Re[2]: Security concerns

[rich gregory]

rg>> physical security ... access to your computer
PO> something a user, has to take care of him/herself.
rg>> warnings include X-Headers that identify the attachments directory,
rg>> CR/LF mishandling, and other things.
PO> Something new to me. Any references / explanations?

Just a matter of curiosity I did a quick web search and found these. I would
guess there are more (if I'd have chosen other search terms) and accepting
no software is COMPLETELY bug-free I wanted to see what I was up against
here. These both look old, but my original question was meant to see if there
are other, newer, know issues to work-around.

http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/bugtraq/2001/04/msg00368.html
http://lists.insecure.org/lists/bugtraq/2002/Feb/0373.html

EXAMPLE: I did in Eudora, as I now do in TB!, have my attachments directory
set to a non-default name and location so that at least those files will less
likely be rooted out by script-kiddie ne'er-do-wells. Of course doing this
did give me a problem I now need to address!!!

AFTER TB! was installed (and after TB "knew" to place attachments in it's own
default directory) I moved the attachment directory and the files within so
of course now TB thinks the (affected) attachments are 0-byte files! Anyone?

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Re: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)

[Peter Ouwehand]

Hello rich gregory,

on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:54:31 -0500 (2003-11-15 02:54:31 in .nl) in the
message with reference  you
wrote (at least in part):

RG>>> Is there any way to make MicroEd default to that ALT-L more?
RA>> Do you mean AutoFormat (Shift+Ctrl+F)?

rg> Hi gang! I was just editing an email (not this one!) and saw that I'd again
rg> have to press ALT-L to get the paragraph to wrap for me and not run off the
rg> edge of the screen. At this point I invoked the above key-stroke combination
rg> but it didn't do anything!

rg> I DO have autoformat turned ON in the preferences and yet I STILL have to
rg> press ALT-L on each and every paragraph in any email I am composing that does
rg> not wrap by itself!

Well, I haven't checked the exact settings on my TB (I use MicroEd), but
what I seem to notice:
- MicroEd wraps when the _cursor_ goes beyond the 'wrap-point'.
- MicroEd won't wrap when you insert text on a line and the cursor
  doesn't go beyond the 'wrap-point'
Hence, just my opinion:
- MicroEd doensn't wrap as an average user would expect, wrap whole
  words of which anything goes beyong the 'wrap-point', and unwrap when
  space allows
- too long lines may be sent by TB!, as Marck says: TB! won't change what
  you see / what MicroEd creates


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Re: Mod: Dead Horse Alert (was: Bat Alternatives)

[Vishal]

Hi Allie

Friday, November 14, 2003, 9:32:17 PM, you wrote:

AM> 
AM> Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
AM> just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
AM> instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Vishal.

Interesting that you found my post, not Marck's, sufficiently provocative to
do this.

But I agree that it should end.

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Re[2]: Bat Alternatives

[Vishal]

Hi Tony

Friday, November 14, 2003, 7:37:04 AM, you wrote:

TB>  So all we need to do now is to tune Vishal to the same place on the
TB>  dial.

We're already there Tony. We're talking about the same thing, only that Marck
says that what I see cannot happen. Unfortunately it does. Or maybe not so
unfortunate, since it doesn't happen often. Regardless, I don't really care as
long as I can fix it the way I do currently.

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Re[2]: Bat Alternatives

[Vishal]

Hi Marck

Thursday, November 13, 2003, 10:23:58 PM, you wrote:

MDP> Okay - please understand me when I inform you that when it happens
MDP> for you, then there is a specific reason for it.

Obviously.

>> TB does mangle some replies to messages.

MDP> Not on its own.

Sorry, but it does.

MDP> Only if you have implemented some kind of wrapping macro in your reply
MDP> template.

I haven't.

MDP> Maybe if you use the new Windows editor then you may *see* mangled
MDP> replies, but then that's not what TB is going to send, is it? (Damn that
MDP> new editor!)

I don't. I use MicroEd.

MDP> Maybe if you use auto-format

I don't.

MDP> TB's native quoting algorithm does nothing more than put a quote
MDP> prefix on every line being quoted. Nothing else. Nothing in that
MDP> action is ever going to mess with line wrapping.

I perfectly understand. Somehow it still happens though. And I've wasted way
more time on this thread than I planned to. I don't care enough to fix the
problem.

MDP> Now, I understand that the issue may be moot for you, but as long as
MDP> you insist on informing other users (reading in this list) that TB
MDP> is incurably capable of messing up reply wrapping, I have a duty to
MDP> state that it is an incorrect assessment and that if it's happening
MDP> then something else is wrong.

It's not an incorrect assessment. I do not use the options you outlined as
possible causes. I do not use powerpro. I'm not talking about antiviruses or
anything else interfering, since I haven't sent the message yet. I click reply
and sometimes things are messed up. Not often enough for me to try to fix it.
But it happens, and if you have a duty to say that it doesn't happen, I have
an interest in correcting that.

That said, I'm finished with this thread. One of your other messages was
extremely insulting and I replied in kind. If you like, you can continue. You
will not receive a reply. But I don't have the time to waste on trying to work
out little niggling problems with all the tools I use if I will not save time
by doing it.

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Re: Security concerns

[Peter Ouwehand]

Hello rich gregory,

on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:51:23 -0500 (2003-11-15 02:51:23 in .nl) in the
message with reference  you
wrote (at least in part):

rg> Hello Batters! For the past several months now I've seen how complex and
rg> programmable The Bat! is.  As with all technology this is good and bad.

rg> Aside from those issues related to physical security of access to your
rg> computer (we went over this a while back already in this list) what is the
rg> state of the security posture of TB?

Ya, that's something a user, internet connected, has to take care of
him/herself.


rg> I read some warnings that include things like X-Headers that
rg> identify the attachments directory,

I haven't seen that happen with TB!.
Test it mailing a msg to youself.


rg> CR/LF mishandling, and other things. Do these apply only for earlier
rg> versions?

Something new to me. Any references / explanations?

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Mod: Dead Horse Alert (was: Bat Alternatives)

[Allie Martin]

Vishal, [V] wrote:

V> Until then, stick to moderation and stop trying to act clairvoyant. And mind
V> your accusations about my making false claims. I see a problem and state it.
V> If it upsets your world where TB is perfect, that's your problem. Deal with
V> it. I'm not misleading everyone - why would I? I like TB, but neither am I as
V> blind as you are to the possbility that things can go wrong with it.


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Vishal.

This topic has gone way "off" / too long and I am forced to pronounce
it dead.

Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO
REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT.

Thank you.


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Re[2]: Bat Alternatives

[Vishal]

Hi Marck

I'm top posting because I'd rather not reply to every single statement with
the same sentence. You're being ridiculous here in claiming what you do. When
you can see and predict what happens on every single installation of TB on the
planet, come to me and we'll talk. And then I'll accept that TB doesn't mess
things up here. You of all people should realize that software is not perfect.

Until then, stick to moderation and stop trying to act clairvoyant. And mind
your accusations about my making false claims. I see a problem and state it.
If it upsets your world where TB is perfect, that's your problem. Deal with
it. I'm not misleading everyone - why would I? I like TB, but neither am I as
blind as you are to the possbility that things can go wrong with it.

Thursday, November 13, 2003, 9:01:00 PM, you wrote:

MDP> @13-Nov-2003, 20:29 -0500 (14-Nov 01:29 UK time) Vishal said to
MDP> Marck:

>> We could go on debating this forever.

MDP> Only as long as you keep getting it wrong.

>> The fact remains,

MDP> ??? not a fact. A fallacy. You are mistaken.

>> TB is not as infallible as you make it out to be.

MDP> Not in question. My only statement (and a *clear* fact) is that TB
MDP> doesn't wrap on send.

>> I have seen many instances where what you claim does not happen.

MDP> No. You just think you have. I can 100% guarantee you haven't. What
MDP> you have seen was not down to TB. Please stop misleading other users
MDP> in this forum about your mistaken assumption.

>> Let's just drop it.

MDP> No. You are making a false claim about TB functionality in public. I
MDP> can't let that stand.

MDP> TB does not wrap on send.

MDP> That is a fact.

MDP> PGP can introduce wrapping like you are talking about. TB cannot.
MDP> Please concede that you are misinformed about the source of the
MDP> formatting errors you are witnessing. TB won't do it, not without
MDP> outside interference.



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Re: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)

[Allie Martin]

Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote:

RG> I DO have autoformat turned ON in the preferences and yet I STILL
RG> have to press ALT-L on each and every paragraph in any email I am
RG> composing that does not wrap by itself!

Try the 'smart wrapping of quoted text' option in the editor
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MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)

[rich gregory]

RG>> Is there any way to make MicroEd default to that ALT-L more?
RA> Do you mean AutoFormat (Shift+Ctrl+F)?

Hi gang! I was just editing an email (not this one!) and saw that I'd again
have to press ALT-L to get the paragraph to wrap for me and not run off the
edge of the screen. At this point I invoked the above key-stroke combination
but it didn't do anything!

I DO have autoformat turned ON in the preferences and yet I STILL have to
press ALT-L on each and every paragraph in any email I am composing that does
not wrap by itself!

Anyone?


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Security concerns

[rich gregory]

Hello Batters! For the past several months now I've seen how complex and
programmable The Bat! is.  As with all technology this is good and bad.

Aside from those issues related to physical security of access to your
computer (we went over this a while back already in this list) what is the
state of the security posture of TB?  I read some warnings that include
things like X-Headers that identify the attachments directory, CR/LF
mishandling, and other things. Do these apply only for earlier versions?

It seems to me, any program with all the macro power we have at our
fingertips can be quite effective an attack path.

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Re: Attachment Name Problems

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, November 14, 2003, 5:12:31 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:

JBL>> I am having problems with attachments I am receiving.  The attachment
JBL>> names are being truncated by TB at the first space in the file name so
JBL>> that "The Full Filename.doc" becomes "The".

> Haven't seen this before.
> Could you post the headers of the attachment section of a faulty
> message? You can see those only when you're viewing the source. (Press )

It does not tell you very much, but here it is (addresses munged)!

,- [ Message Headers ]
| Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| From: xxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Subject: RE: x Tender
| Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:52:51 -
| X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2003 13:09:03.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F67D450:01C3A9E7]
| X-Bayesian-Result: Clean (0) 
| X-Bayesian-Words: 07970 0 608348 0 7330 0 7697 0 86yd 0 9170 0 addressee 0 attached 0
| X-SpamPal: PASS
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@11CBF"
| 
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@11CBF
`-

,- [ File Boundary - truncated file name]
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@11CBF
| Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="CRB"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
`-

As an experiment, I tried forwarding the message from Outlook to
another email account, and downloaded it with TB.  The files came
across perfectly.

This this the file boundary of the message when I shows properly in
TB, after forwarding from Outlook:

,- [ File Boundary - message forwarded from Outlook (same file) ]
| --=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3AAF7.A920D0D0
| Content-Type: application/msword;
| name="CRB - Assessing criminal convictions V2.doc"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
| Content-Disposition: attachment;
| filename="CRB - Assessing criminal convictions V2.doc"
`-

I am not sure what the problem is, but I wonder if it is related to it
being 8 bit?  I guess that is what the "Content-Type:
application/octet-stream; name="CRB"" means.  I suspect that it is a
problem with the sender's set up, but I am not sure why it is
upsetting TB!  Probably something Microsoft did!

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Re: Unable to send without draft (was Re: Bat Alternatives)

[Tony Boom]

Hello Marck,

  A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on:
  14 November 2003 at 13:00:26 GMT +

MDP> Somehow it had acquired a corrupt setting that
MDP> couldn't be corrected through any configuration dialogs.

 Got it sussed. I had %SIGNCOMPLETE in my templates but don't have PGP
 installed... Oooops, silly me :)

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Re: Marking mail as Junk with Bayesit filter

[Chris]

On Friday, November 14, 2003 at 2:05:29 PM, Edgar wrote in the message
"Marking mail as Junk with Bayesit filter"
:

> Is it wise to mark Spam mail that contains a lot of normal words
> in it, as spam when using the Bayesit filter?

> You probably seen one of these messages by now.
> They look like this:

> [SNIP]

> This list of words differ and some are more normal then this
> example.

> When you mark it as spam, won't it upset the statistics?

I don't think so. I rarely get e-mail messages containing that random
a collection of words that isn't spam. Bayesit filters on combinations
and position, not just words.

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Marking mail as Junk with Bayesit filter

[Edgar]

Hello All,

Is it wise to mark Spam mail that contains a lot of normal words
in it, as spam when using the Bayesit filter?

You probably seen one of these messages by now.
They look like this:

Buy this, enlarge that.

sid rnd top asp id technology type aff right asp sz loc soundoff
sz html politics main hour columnists ord src frm profiles
davebarry jhtml E tg DD soundoff examiner asp src gif single aff
htm x rnd c sz asp tg search news src DCDA audio KPOM sz asp c
script day sz BuxB htm aff xml RHNMOTORING kw resource Weather
src tg sid sz aff c visitorsguide exclusions storyid asp Pollx
ContentServer richmedia sp type section fdaffaaedafeebcab news

Etc.
This list of words differ and some are more normal then this
example.

When you mark it as spam, won't it upset the statistics?

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[tb]

--> Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 8:21:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Yep, I also like option #2. Maybe you can write a plugin for this ;-)

I wish that was possible with TB. I would do it immediately.

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, November 14, 2003, 1:12 PM, you wrote:


>> ...unless you are running Mercury and create a local user named Memo,
>> or change the To: to a local user...hm

M> In my case, I am running Mercury and I have no local user named Memo.
M> But any "ilegal" address will work work just the same.

right, I don't have a Memo user either, but I do have a local user
Paul oh wait, I turned off the POP3 services, I'm only using SMTP
right now. Oh well, good idea anyway!


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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[drifthat]

Yep, I also like option #2. Maybe you can write a plugin for this ;-)
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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[MAU]

Hello Paul,

> ...unless you are running Mercury and create a local user named Memo,
> or change the To: to a local user...hm

In my case, I am running Mercury and I have no local user named Memo.
But any "ilegal" address will work work just the same.

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Re: TB IMAP 101

[tb]

--> Friday, November 14, 2003, 11:24:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Friday, November 14, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...

>> I think there is an option to retrieve more than just the headers
>> when retrieving messages. If not, I am fairly sure IMAP allows such
>> a functionality.

> Of course, otherwise how do you read your emails ;) There are various
> synchronization options available (right click a folder, and see in
> there), but those are preemptive options, ie while you're reading
> mail, it collects the items you have selected for that folder. That
> makes reading the message faster on next loading, or that is how I've
> seen it working.

I think IMAP allows, and perhaps even a TB option implements this
(or maybe it was Becky), the contents of the mail to be sync'ed
without a human actually clicking the mail, ie. when the head is
sync'ed. ie. along with the head. ie. fetch all of it initially.

 Conversely, does TB allow me to use IMAP and store every message
 on the server, never locally?

>>> IMAP is a protocol that stores the message on the server. That is
>>> the nature of the protocol.

>> Well, IMAP is supposed to be a superset of POP. So I would say this
>> statement is not the whole truth.

> Not entirely true... they're two different protocols, they work
> completely differently.

Obviously I meant, IMAP is a superset of POP in features. Yes the protocols
differ. IMAP was designed this way, the design and advocation documents make
sure to explicitly note this, probably due to their confusion when IMAP was
not taking off, and this probably due to the misconception that IMAP is for
one thing and POP is for another thing, when in fact IMAP was designed to
allow both sorts of operation, "online" and "offline", remote and local.

>> It is designed to allow operation like POP for those that desire it.
>> Perhaps this misconception is what makes IMAP less than it's design.

> Erm, not really. You cannot do 90% of the things with POP that you can
> do with IMAP. It's also uses an entirely different command structure,
> and reply format.

From what I have read IMAP can do everything POP does.

Yes, the command structure is different. I think everyone knows that.

I only argue this because I think this is what IMAP was meant for.
Arguing against this would be crippling IMAP and more widespread use.

I glean this from documentation, I'm pretty sure it was at imap.org.

I guess I shouldn't care, but I must say IMAP is annoying in TB and I am not
sure that's the fault of the IMAP designers. Additionally, everything I have
read says IMAP is able to do the things I asked. I can't care too much now
because it's really just a waste of time. However, my urge to create good
forces me to waste some time here now.

I have just gone back to POP, dropped BayesIt in favor of SpamAssassin at my
ISP and use Terminal Services (Remote Desktop) to access my mail remotely
for only a few k/second, it's rather nice.

Another thing to think about in the IMAP implementation is attachments.
I get a larger than average amount of larger than average binary attachments.
Ideally I would think an IMAP client would consider this possibility coupled
with the possibility of server disk quota limitations.

I don't need to argue this though. I'm not going to change my mind.

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[MAU]

Hello tb,

> So you "Queue in Outbox" or "Save Draft" ?

I queue in Outbox. The only difference is that if you Save Draft, when
you want to move the msg to another folder you will be asked to confirm
that you want to move Parked messages as well.

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[tb]

--> Friday, November 14, 2003, 9:38:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Who does the mail really go To: ?

> Nobody. I just put it in the Outbox and from the Outbox, without
> actually sending it, I move it to the appropriate folder.

So you "Queue in Outbox" or "Save Draft" ?

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Re: Unable to send without draft (was Re: Bat Alternatives)

[Tony Boom]

Hello Marck,

  A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on:
  14 November 2003 at 13:00:26 GMT +

MDP> Somehow it had acquired a corrupt setting that
MDP> couldn't be corrected through any configuration dialogs.

 Got it sussed. I had %SIGNCOMPLETE in my templates but don't have PGP
 installed... Oooops, silly me :)

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, November 14, 2003, 10:38 AM, you wrote:


M> Nobody. I just put it in the Outbox and from the Outbox, without
M> actually sending it, I move it to the appropriate folder.

to answer his question, I created your memo QT, created a message and
hit SEND ( oh, of **course** by mistake:) and got an error. With a To:
of Memo, it can't go anywhere, unless you are running Mercury and create
a local user named Memo, or change the To: to a local user...hm


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Re: TB IMAP 101

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, November 14, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...

>>> As a matter of reference, does TB allow me to use IMAP in a manner
>>> which is similar to POP saving all mail locally and deleting it
>>> from the server.

>> Yes and no. The emails are kept in a local cache to save loading on
>> the server, the emails can quickly be accessed from that. The
>> problem is, you have to read the emails online first for it to work
>> offline. So I'd say not really in the way you are probably looking
>> for.

> I think there is an option to retrieve more than just the headers
> when retrieving messages. If not, I am fairly sure IMAP allows such
> a functionality.

Of course, otherwise how do you read your emails ;) There are various
synchronization options available (right click a folder, and see in
there), but those are preemptive options, ie while you're reading
mail, it collects the items you have selected for that folder. That
makes reading the message faster on next loading, or that is how I've
seen it working.

>>> Conversely, does TB allow me to use IMAP and store every message
>>> on the server, never locally?

>> IMAP is a protocol that stores the message on the server. That is
>> the nature of the protocol.

> Well, IMAP is supposed to be a superset of POP. So I would say this
> statement is not the whole truth.

Not entirely true... they're two different protocols, they work
completely differently.

> It is designed to allow operation like POP for those that desire it.
> Perhaps this misconception is what makes IMAP less than it's design.

Erm, not really. You cannot do 90% of the things with POP that you can
do with IMAP. It's also uses an entirely different command structure,
and reply format.

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Re: Attachment Name Problems

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Julian,

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:06:49 +GMT (14-11-03, 11:06 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

JBL> I am having problems with attachments I am receiving.  The attachment
JBL> names are being truncated by TB at the first space in the file name so
JBL> that "The Full Filename.doc" becomes "The".

Haven't seen this before.
Could you post the headers of the attachment section of a faulty
message? You can see those only when you're viewing the source. (Press )

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Re: Sorting office: actions: Export message to file

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Simon,

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:00:20 +GMT (14-11-03, 14:00 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

S>> In  the  sorting office I chose the "Export message to file" option
S>> under  the actions tab, and set the export format to RFC-288(.MSG).

S> Does  anyone  know about this feature?

I've used it sometimes.

S> Is it not supposed to do what I am attempting to do with it?

I don't think so. The times I've used it, it was always to process the
message as it was saved to disk with another program (in the same
filter with the action 'run external program') and to direct the
output back to TB or to whatever target I envisioned at that moment.

S> All I want to do is export the messages to .msg files as they are
S> filtered into their TB! folder. I would have thought that this
S> would be a sequential process.

If it was a sequential process, than it would wreak havoc with my
uses, so I can't say I'm sorry that it isn't.

S> Does anyone know if this feature ever worked like this?

No, but you could use Terry's option, run TB's /export parameter as
external program. I've done some testing and this does what you want:

C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /EXPORTU="roelof";D="C:\test\";S=-1

In stead of using the action 'export to', use the next action in the
filter 'Run external program'. The above string works for me. Note
that you've got to replace 'roelof' with your accountname (I suppose
it would be a shear coincidence that your account would have the same
name as mine ) and replace 'C:\test\' with the target directory of
your desire.
For an explanation of the syntax, see the help under 'Export messages
or addresses - /EXPORT command'

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Re: Help me with a filter, please

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Peter,

Thursday, November 13, 2003, 9:23:08 PM, you wrote (possibly edited):
> I receive this kind of spam too. I don't know, if there's a way of
> filtering it in The Bat!, but I'm doing fine with K9, which is based
> on bayesian learning ( http://keir.net/k9.html ).

I  get three such messages per day. My ISP's spam filter doesn't catch
them.  The  filter  that  I  finally  came  up  with relies on (a) the
presence  of  my  email address as recipient and (b) the absence of my
email  address  in the Reply-To field. For the time being I move these
messages to a Spam folder and I review-delete them daily.

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[MAU]

Hello tb,

> Who does the mail really go To: ?

Nobody. I just put it in the Outbox and from the Outbox, without
actually sending it, I move it to the appropriate folder.

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[tb]

--> Friday, November 14, 2003, 3:36:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello MAU,

>> Not perfect but good enough for me so far.

> And I forgot to say something. With this method I can write or assign as
> many memos as I may need to a single message (not just one) and the date
> and time of each one is automatically logged.

Yeah that's pretty cool..

Who does the mail really go To: ?

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Re: TB IMAP 101

[tb]

--> Thursday, November 13, 2003, 10:22:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1

> On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...

> [I know you said not to answer, but this is information sake]

Cool, I appreciate it, it just wasn't a priority any more.

>> How do I delete messages from the IMAP server?

> IMAP works in a slightly different way. There are flags to a message.
> When you delete a message from an IMAP folder, the message gets the
> flag \Deleted. This usually hides the email from general display in
> most clients as they ignore it, or the server just doesn't return it.
> However the emails are still there. That is until you run an EXPUNGE
> of the folder. To do that, you select the folder, and go to Folder,
> Purge+Compress, and it should be done.

Very illuminating.

>> As a matter of reference, does TB allow me to use IMAP in a manner
>> which is similar to POP saving all mail locally and deleting it from
>> the server.

> Yes and no. The emails are kept in a local cache to save loading on
> the server, the emails can quickly be accessed from that. The problem
> is, you have to read the emails online first for it to work offline.
> So I'd say not really in the way you are probably looking for.

I think there is an option to retrieve more than just the headers when
retrieving messages. If not, I am fairly sure IMAP allows such a
functionality.

>> Conversely, does TB allow me to use IMAP and store every message on
>> the server, never locally?

> IMAP is a protocol that stores the message on the server. That is the
> nature of the protocol.

Well, IMAP is supposed to be a superset of POP. So I would say this
statement is not the whole truth.

It is designed to allow operation like POP for those that desire it.
Perhaps this misconception is what makes IMAP less than it's design.

>> Finally, does TB allow everything in between, deleting some messages
>> from the server, but keeping them on the client side and vice versa?

> No.

Thanks for the info. That would explain some of my confusion.

>> What are the symbols next to the message counts. <*> <2> etc?

> As RitLabs doesn't seem to have defined an answer on this one yet,
> here is what I have observed.

>   <*> means it is either fetching that folder, or is working with that
>   folder
>   <2> means that is has found 2 new messages in that folder since you
>   last looked at it.
>   (5) means the children of the folder this is next to has 5 new
>   messages in total

Hahah, yes, those things were rather confusing as well.

Outbox followed it's own set of rules too apparently.

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Re: Sorting office: actions: Export message to file

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Simon,

Friday, November 14, 2003, 6:00:20 AM, you wrote:
S> Does anyone know about this feature? Is it not supposed to do what
S> I am attempting to do with it? All I want to do is export the
S> messages to .msg files as they are filtered into their TB! folder.
S> I would have thought that this would be a sequential process. Does
S> anyone know if this feature ever worked like this?

I haven't tested this, but the general convention under Windows is
that if you encapsulate the filename (including the extension) in
quotations, then it won't append the default extension. i.e.

"MyOutputFile.msg"

This should solve your .msg vs .txt issue, but I don't know if it'll
fix the other problem you're having.


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Re: Unable to send without draft (was Re: Bat Alternatives)

[Tony Boom]

Hello Marck,

  A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on:
  14 November 2003 at 13:00:26 GMT +

MDP> Somehow it had acquired a corrupt setting that
MDP> couldn't be corrected through any configuration dialogs.

 Thanks Marck. It seems only to be TBUDL. If this reply doesn't go
 I'll recreate the directory as you suggest.

 If it does go, then... I dunno!

 (But it wouldn't go :)

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Re[2]: Sorting office: actions: Export message to file

[Terry]

On Friday, November 14, 2003 at 1:00 PM, Simon wrote:

> Does  anyone  know about this feature? Is it not supposed to do what I
> am  attempting  to do with it? All I want to do is export the messages
> to .msg files as they are filtered into their TB! folder. I would have
> thought  that  this would be a sequential process. Does anyone know if
> this feature ever worked like this?

Hi Simon,

Perhaps the /EXPORT command will help. See TB's Help file index under
Export Messages. You may be able to utilize this to accomplish what
you'd like to do. It may be that you can write a batch file that is
triggered on a filter that calls the /EXPORT command. I've never tried
it and haven't used the command line functions of TB, so I could be
completely wrong. :)  Sorry I couldn't be of any more assistance.

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Re: Unable to send without draft (was Re: Bat Alternatives)

[mm Meister]

Hello Marck,

Friday, November 14, 2003, 8:00:26 AM, you wrote:


MDP> (Maggie: thanks for reminding me about changing the subject).


Just afraid I might miss something, lol.

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Unable to send without draft (was Re: Bat Alternatives)

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Tony,

@14-Nov-2003, 12:37 Tony Boom said to Marck:

> Why can't I send replies to TBUDL? I always have to save as draft
> first!

Interesting question. Wasn't there an issue on TBBETA where there
were such problems in sending?

Kitty's problems with unwanted Base 64 sending turned out to be a
faulty account. Somehow it had acquired a corrupt setting that
couldn't be corrected through any configuration dialogs. The only
solution was to delete the account and create it afresh.

I have a feeling that any such inexplicable and illogical problems
may be due to a version migration / account configuration data
error, with drastic replacement surgery the only solution.

(Maggie: thanks for reminding me about changing the subject).

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Re: Sorting office: actions: Export message to file

[Simon]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello again,

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:45:37 + my time, I said:

<..snip..>

S> In  the  sorting office I chose the "Export message to file" option
S> under  the actions tab, and set the export format to RFC-288(.MSG).
S> I then chose a location for the files to be exported to by browsing
S> to the location using the browse button. However, TB! forces you to
S> add  a  filename  and  then  sticks  a .txt extension on the end of
S> whatever  filename you enter. I therefore renamed .txt to .msg. And
S> then  the  problem  is that only one message ever gets exported, no
S> matter  how many call messages come in. Am I doing something wrong?
S> It seems like it should be a really simple thing to do.

Does  anyone  know about this feature? Is it not supposed to do what I
am  attempting  to do with it? All I want to do is export the messages
to .msg files as they are filtered into their TB! folder. I would have
thought  that  this would be a sequential process. Does anyone know if
this feature ever worked like this?

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Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1
Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98  8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1

iQA/AwUBP7TR6JJmyHDfgGLBEQLUKQCeL4SReBcGOBRnNDYKamKSNgXA6L0Anipt
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Re: Bat Alternatives

[Simon]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Peter,

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:17:39 +0100 your time, you said:

PO> Create a TBPGP list perhaps?

Or you could just sign up to the PGPBasics list? Mind you, I suppose a
TBPGP  list would be somewhere to dump, I mean test, PGP test sigs and
keep  them  off  the TBUDL list ;-) Actually,thinking about it, it's a
shame that PGPBasics hasn't got another list for sig testing as well.

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Re: Bat Alternatives

[Tony Boom]

Hello Marck,

  A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on:
  14 November 2003 at 12:00:18 GMT +

MDP> You do and you are :-).

 So all we need to do now is to tune Vishal to the same place on the
 dial.

 (Why can't I send replies to TBUDL? I always have to save as draft
 first!)
 

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Re[3]: Bat Alternatives

[mm Meister]

Hello Peter,

Thursday, November 13, 2003, 9:17:39 PM, you wrote:


MDP>> PGP can introduce wrapping like you are talking about. TB cannot.

PO> 

PO> Create a TBPGP list perhaps?


That would be a wonderful idea. Another idea would be to start paying
attention to the subject line - there're 15 different subjects going
on now in this thread - this probably makes 16.

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Re: Bat Alternatives

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Tony,

@14-Nov-2003, 11:16 Tony Boom said to Marck:

> Always assuming that I have the correct end of the stick and am
> talking about the same thing as you two are... Or not as the case
> maybe :)

You do and you are :-).

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Re[2]: TB IMAP 101

[Jeffrey A. Shumway]

Hello Jonathan,

Thursday, November 13, 2003, 11:22:57 PM, you wrote:

JA> As RitLabs doesn't seem to have defined an answer on this one yet,
JA> here is what I have observed.

JA>  <*> means it is either fetching that folder, or is working with that
JA>   folder

Do you know of any way to make The Bat! receive the messages for
folders?  I have synchronization set to retrieve all on most folders,
but my display stays as follows:

Junk Mail  1 <*>4 <*>
TBBeta 1 <*>32 <31>

Periodically, The Bat! will run through the folders and they will
update to:

Junk Mail  1 4
TBBeta 1 32

with the numbers in bold, but they will promptly reset to the prior
display.  I assumed that the sync function to download All Messages
would alleviate this problem.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Re: Bat Alternatives

[Tony Boom]

Hello Marck,

  A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on:
  14 November 2003 at 03:23:58 GMT +

MDP> Not on its own. Only if you have implemented some kind of wrapping
MDP> macro in your reply template.

It can do Marck. As an example the above was quoted from the very
beginning of a line and has not received any input (ALT-L) from me. As
you can see it's formatted exactly as you yourself wrote it.

MDP> Maybe if you use the new Windows
MDP> editor then you may *see* mangled replies,

That however, has been quoted by highlighting text beginning in the
middle of a line. A simple ALT-L would "Clean" it up a bit. But... The
Bat! has still quoted it and formatted it *exactly* as you have
written it. In my opinion TB behaves correctly and exactly as
expected.

Always assuming that I
have
the correct end of the
stick
and am talking about the
same
thing as you two are...
Or
not as the case maybe :)



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Re: Bat Alternatives

[Tony Boom]

Hello Vishal,

  A reminder of what Vishal typed on:
  14 November 2003 at 22:09:03 GMT -0500

V> TB does mangle some replies to messages. And I fix it in a second.
V> End of issue.

Yes, it does, but only on highlighted, quoted text. That's the part
that your talking about and that you can fix in a second. I do the
same myself.

But it has *absolutely nothing* to do with what Marck is trying to
explain to you. Unless I have it wrong, your talking about wrapping
quoted text and Marck is talking about wrapping on send.

TB will send it exactly as you format it. Whatever happens after it's
left TB, via PGP, virus scanner or any other gizmo that intervenes on
the way is out of TB's control.


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Attachment Name Problems

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello TB! Users,

I am having problems with attachments I am receiving.  The attachment
names are being truncated by TB at the first space in the file name so
that "The Full Filename.doc" becomes "The".

The messages are fine if downloaded in Outlook - the problem only
appears to affect this one organization (suggesting a misconfiguration
somewhere), and only TB (which probably means that TB is handling the
messages properly, and Outlook is not!).

I think that this might be another Base64 problem, as the messages are
encoded as Base64, whilst messages I have no problems with tend to be
7-bit.

Has anyone else come across this?

Julian

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[MAU]

Hello MAU,

> Not perfect but good enough for me so far.

And I forgot to say something. With this method I can write or assign as
many memos as I may need to a single message (not just one) and the date
and time of each one is automatically logged.

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Re: Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)

[MAU]

Hello tb,

>> But, also be aware of the following:
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001866
> 
> Ouch, well I hope to see some way to annotate or have useful memos per
> message soon.

Until Ritlabs does something, I am using a work-around that is good
enough for me. I am using a QT that I have called Memo.

,- [ Memo QT ]
| %To=""%To="Memo"%-
| %Subject="[Memo] %Osubj"%-
| %Clear%-
| %Cursor
`-

So, when I want to annotate a message, what I do is reply to it a then
just type Memo+ to execute the QT, then write "my memo",
send it to the Outbox and manually move it to the appropriate folder. As
I use threading by Reference in 99% of my folders, the "Memo" message
will appear just below the message. Not perfect but good enough for me
so far.

BTW, if anyone wonders why I include Memo in the To field is so that the
message will go nowhere in case I send it by mistake.

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Re: Bat Alternatives

[Robin Anson]

On Fri 14 November 2003, 19:07:14 +1000, Rich Gregory wrote:
V>> ...  like I said, Alt+L fixes things so that I don't
V>> worry too much about it. Plus, I kind of like seeing text get reflowed in front
V>> of my eyes :)
> 
> Is there any way to make MicroEd default to that ALT-L more?

Do you mean AutoFormat (Shift+Ctrl+F)?

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Re[3]: Bat Alternatives

[rich gregory]

V> ...  like I said, Alt+L fixes things so that I don't
V> worry too much about it. Plus, I kind of like seeing text get reflowed in front
V> of my eyes :)

Is there any way to make MicroEd default to that ALT-L more?

Thx,
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Re: Message Finder

[rich gregory]

SM> I want to find a message in my TB! folders that has 'Bigfoot' in the
SM> sender's address and 'Cairns' in the message body.
SM> 1. Set "Search for" to "Bigfoot & Cairns"

... snip, snip ...

Try these two search strings. I had the same problem & another list
member suggest I try the first one below.  It didn't work for me but the
second one did!
  Bigfoot&&Cairns
  Bigfoot&Cairns

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Re: alt-click!

[Melissa Reese]

Hi Darrin,

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 7:43:07 PM PST, you wrote:

> After a year and a half of using TB, im still learning things. Its
> great :)

I've been using TB! for over two years, and I feel like I'm still just
scratching the surface (in fact, I *know* I am!).  :-)

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Re: alt-click!

[Ciprian Trofin]

MW> Hmmmpph! Well, I don't know about any of those, but *I* went to
MW> View | Display | Advanced Filtering | Header | uncheck the filter
MW> ...PITA if you ask me... I was hoping that shift-alt-click would do
MW> it, but no...

For me it also works Ctrl+=.



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