Re[2]: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)
AM Auto-format's wrapping is in fact somewhat different to Alt-L. This sort AM of thing occurs without Autoformat enabled. With autoformat enabled, as AM soon as you type a character, the text block is reflowed. Auto-format though still does NOT wrap pasted in lines == even if they come in from canned QTs! == -- Rich Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)
Hello Allie, On Saturday, November 15, 2003, 5:30:22 AM, you wrote: Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote: RG I was not referring to quoted text. Would that setting affect RG fresh text I am inputting? Smartwrapping will wrap quoted material when the reply is generated. With auto-format enabled, fresh text will be wrapped as you type. Ensure that autoformat is enabled by looking for the check mark beside it in the Utilities menu of the editor. Auto-format can be of, just tack auto-wrap. I use the Micro editor in plain text and it works fine. -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 You never have time to do it right the first time, but you always have time to do it over. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
Hallo tb,
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:32:01 -0600GMT (15-11-03, 5:32 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
tko How do I create a filter, or one per mailing list which will move the
tko messages into a subfolder called old if they are older than 30 days without
tko conflicting with each other.
You've got several options:
1 Make all these filters inactive and manual.
Before re-filtering select the right filter and make it active
Re-filter with manual only
Reset the used filter to inactive.
2 It's an easy action you want to perform.
Set the folder to 'no threading' and sort on creation date
Select all messages older then 30 days
Move them with Ctrl-V
3 Give each of your filters it's own shortcut ('Options' tab)
Pick your choice, this all TB can do for you. (And that I can think
of, but then I should be in bed after working all night.)
--
Groetjes, Roelof
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Re: Security concerns
Hallo rich, On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:51:23 -0500GMT (15-11-03, 2:51 +0100, where I live), you wrote: rg Aside from those issues related to physical security of access to your rg computer (we went over this a while back already in this list) what is the rg state of the security posture of TB? Apart from that, there are no security issues for TB. Well, I guess there are privacy issues when somebody's using a packet sniffer between you and your ISP's mail server... TB doesn't do anything unless you tell it so. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated message: Subscription verification request
Hello Kevin, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 at 21:26:50 [GMT -0500] (which was 03:26 where I live) you wrote: KC Hi Alain, THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE. KC Whoopsie ... folder template run amok. It shouldn't be as I haven't any folder template ? ;( And it get out through ADR that is setup to start delivery manually ... too tired to view it ? ;) -- Regards, Alain The Bat! 2.01.26 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEditor (was Re[2]: Bat Alternatives)
Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote: RG Auto-format though still does NOT wrap pasted in lines I explained that in my last message. Use the paste formatted option to wrap pasted text. Instead of pasting with CTRL+V, paste with CTRL+Shift+Ins. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html Using TB! v2.01.26 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Oh, the auto-complete woes!
Hi Bats, After my latest faux pas with the auto-complete, bane and boon that it is, I determined to find a way to not pay the penalty for my own inattention. This may seem simple to most of you, but I have just discovered that if you use a nickname in the AB that doesn't start with the first letters of the person's name, the auto complete does not include the list of the others included in a message sent previously. For instance, my email recipient is Lee. Her AB nickname is also lee. If I include her in a mail to several other people, when I again type lee for a new mail, the auto complete adds the other people that were sent the previous time regardless of whether the others are wanted in this present mail. My solution is to change the nickname in the AB to jll instead of Lee, this somehow fools the auto-complete function and only her name is inserted into the field. -- Maggie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Archiving again!
Dear TB Users I'm trying to set up an automatic archiving routine that moves messages from my Inbox to my Archives\Kentra folder I can set up Inbox Properties to: Remove Old Messages after 30 days I am trying to setup the alternative deletion method to purge messages to the \\\Archives\Kentra folder but every time I click on OK I get: A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion folder I have used the Browse button to fill in the folder name. How more valid can that be? Any suggestions, folks? -- Best regards Barry Using TB version 2.01.3 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh, the auto-complete woes!
Hi Maggie, @15-Nov-2003, 07:27 -0500 (15-Nov 12:27 UK time) mm Meister [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Bats: MM ... the auto complete adds the other people that were sent the MM previous time ... There is another way. In the Preferences dialog on the System page there is an option to limit auto-complete to address book only and exclude the history. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Archiving again!
Barry Higginbottom, [BH] wrote: BH I'm trying to set up an automatic archiving routine that moves BH messages from my Inbox to my Archives\Kentra folder BH I can set up Inbox Properties to: BH Remove Old Messages after 30 days Ok. BH I am trying to setup the alternative deletion method to purge BH messages to the \\\Archives\Kentra folder I was wondering what you were referring to and Wow!!, a feature that I've long been awaiting is there, i.e., purging old messages to an archive folder elsewhere. For those who didn't know this, each folder's properties now has a 'Deletion' tab. BH but every time I click on OK I get: BH A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion BH folder I just setup my TBUDL folder and got no such errors here. BH I have used the Browse button to fill in the folder name. BH How more valid can that be? BH Any suggestions, folks? H. Have you tried giving the target folder a different name. Are you using a disallowed character in the naming? -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html Using TB! v2.01.26 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Oh, the auto-complete woes!
Hello Marck, Saturday, November 15, 2003, 7:56:40 AM, you wrote: MDP There is another way. In the Preferences dialog on the System page MDP there is an option to limit auto-complete to address book only and MDP exclude the history. Yes! Thank you. And if one wants the same previously addressed people, the down arrow still works. -- Maggie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Archiving again!
Hello Barry, BH A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion BH folder I got the same thing and I've fiddled around a little. I got rid off the error message by also specifying a valid folder name in the normal deletion field. This allowed me to close the window without error message. Afterwards I set the normal deletion back to the default. Frank -- Best regards, Frank J de Bruin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
-- Saturday, November 15, 2003, 2:47:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:32:01 -0600GMT (15-11-03, 5:32 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
tko How do I create a filter, or one per mailing list which will move the
tko messages into a subfolder called old if they are older than 30 days without
tko conflicting with each other.
You've got several options:
1 Make all these filters inactive and manual.
Before re-filtering select the right filter and make it active
Re-filter with manual only
Reset the used filter to inactive.
2 It's an easy action you want to perform.
Set the folder to 'no threading' and sort on creation date
Select all messages older then 30 days
Move them with Ctrl-V
3 Give each of your filters it's own shortcut ('Options' tab)
Pick your choice, this all TB can do for you. (And that I can think
of, but then I should be in bed after working all night.)
I was just hoping for something better.
Is a plugin API planned? A simple embedded scripting language?
I'd be all over many of my problems if I could write a script
or plugin to address them.
--
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Re: Archiving again!
Hi Allie, on Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:18:08 -0500GMT (15.11.03, 14:18 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : BH I am trying to setup the alternative deletion method to purge BH messages to the \\\Archives\Kentra folder AM I was wondering what you were referring to and Wow!!, a feature that AM I've long been awaiting is there, i.e., purging old messages to an AM archive folder elsewhere. For those who didn't know this, each folder's AM properties now has a 'Deletion' tab. Thanks a lot! I'm one of those who hadn't realized this before. But then, I don't examine my folder options too often... *S* -- Cheers Peter Software isn't released, it's allowed to escape. Winamp currently playing: Zuckerbaby - Holiday pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Archiving again!
Hi Allie, @15-Nov-2003, 08:18 -0500 (15-Nov 13:18 UK time) Allie Martin [A] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Barry: BH A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion BH folder A I just setup my TBUDL folder and got no such errors here. ... while I am completely unable to enter any name in that field at all. It remains stubbornly unwilling to accept anything I type. And yes, I did select the Move to specified folder radio button before starting. BH I have used the Browse button to fill in the folder name. ... and my browse button does nothing. Hmmm. Looks like there is something very not always about the implementation of this field. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
Hi Tb, @15-Nov-2003, 09:12 -0600 (15-Nov 15:12 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip tko move the messages into a subfolder called old if they are tko older than 30 days without conflicting with each other. You've got several options: ... snip Pick your choice, this all TB can do for you. (And that I can think of, but then I should be in bed after working all night.) I was just hoping for something better. There is the global Deletion action to allow you to move purged messages to an alternate folder of your choice. This is also available on a per-folder basis. Much better! Is a plugin API planned? A simple embedded scripting language? I'd be all over many of my problems if I could write a script or plugin to address them. There is a plugin API. Any plug-in developers are encouraged to join the TBDEV list to commune with the plug-in writing community. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Move messages older than 30 days
Marck, MDP There is the global Deletion action to allow you to move purged MDP messages to an alternate folder of your choice. This is also MDP available on a per-folder basis. Much better! Could you explain how to do this? -- William Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Security concerns
rich- Friday, November 14, 2003, 7:13:05 PM, you wrote: rg AFTER TB! was installed (and after TB knew to place attachments in it's own rg default directory) I moved the attachment directory and the files within so rg of course now TB thinks the (affected) attachments are 0-byte files! Anyone? The Account | Properties | Files Directories | Directory setting should get you what you want. Point it to where you moved the directory and that oughta do it. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
Hi William, @15-Nov-2003, 18:09 William Sigmund [WS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP There is the global Deletion action to allow you to move MDP purged messages to an alternate folder of your choice. This is MDP also available on a per-folder basis. Much better! WS Could you explain how to do this? Yes. 1) Upgrade to v2. 2) Set the folder property. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Security concerns
rg Aside from those issues related to physical security what is the state rg of the security posture of TB? RO Apart from that, there are no security issues for TB. TB doesn't do RO anything unless you tell it so. I ask because (though TB! does do stuff I've told it to in it's macro language) my primary concern, I suppose, is that someone may SEND ME a TB macro that gets executed. -- Rich Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Security concerns
Hi Rich, @15-Nov-2003, 16:42 -0500 (15-Nov 21:42 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Roelof: RO Apart from that, there are no security issues for TB. TB RO doesn't do anything unless you tell it so. RG I ask because (though TB! does do stuff I've told it to in it's RG macro language) my primary concern, I suppose, is that someone RG may SEND ME a TB macro that gets executed. TB macros are only executed when TB evaluates a template. If you have a template that refers to macros in a disk file in your attachments folder then conceivably someone could send you a malicious macro and the very next time you evoke a template (for a reply, auto-responder, new message, confirmation or forward) it could execute the malicious code. BUT!!! 1) The person sending you the code would have to know the name of the file you use. 2) You would have to have had your brain removed to write such a template that calls upon a file in the attachments folder in the first place - and then *told* someone about it! No, this is so far beyond the realms of possibility that it's not worth thinking about, let alone losing sleep over. It's the fact that macros are only executed when a template is evaluated that is key to this. This seldom happens without you instigating it. The exception is a filter action. It's up to you not to code any filters that call upon easily accessible and obvious disk files. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
-- Saturday, November 15, 2003, 10:08:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tko move the messages into a subfolder called old if they are tko older than 30 days without conflicting with each other. I was just hoping for something better. There is the global Deletion action to allow you to move purged messages to an alternate folder of your choice. This is also available on a per-folder basis. Much better! Yes, that is very cool, but I just lost thousands of messages with : - Folder Properties : General Tab : [x] Keep the message in base for (20) days. Deletion Tab : Normal Deletion : [x] Move messages to trash Alternative Deletion : [x] Move messages to specified folder (tbudl\old) [x] Use alternative deletion for purging this folder - Can I get my messages back? I used Folder Maintenance Center with : [x] Purge old/exceeding messages My messages are gone, not in Trash and not in the subfolder 'old'. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
Hi Tb, @15-Nov-2003, 16:19 -0600 (15-Nov 22:19 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My messages are gone, not in Trash and not in the subfolder 'old'. I can only commend the habit of taking a backup before embarking on a newfangled 'purge' adventure. Other than that, I can only guess that your messages have bit the big one. :-( -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Security concerns
Hello rich gregory, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:13:05 -0500 (2003-11-15 04:13:05 in .nl) in the message with reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote (at least in part): rg physical security ... access to your computer PO something a user, has to take care of him/herself. rg warnings include X-Headers that identify the attachments directory, rg CR/LF mishandling, and other things. PO Something new to me. Any references / explanations? rg Just a matter of curiosity I did a quick web search and found these. I would rg guess there are more (if I'd have chosen other search terms) and accepting rg no software is COMPLETELY bug-free I wanted to see what I was up against rg here. These both look old, but my original question was meant to see if there rg are other, newer, know issues to work-around. rg http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/bugtraq/2001/04/msg00368.html rg http://lists.insecure.org/lists/bugtraq/2002/Feb/0373.html quoteContent-Type: apllication/exe; name=lpt1 /quote Not sure this would be a TB (or any non-M$ software) bug. Long time ago, when there was no M$-Windows, the M$-Dos ages, one could hang a PC using such 'pre defined' names also. rg EXAMPLE: I did in Eudora, as I now do in TB!, have my attachments directory rg set to a non-default name and location so that at least those files will less rg likely be rooted out by script-kiddie ne'er-do-wells. Of course doing this rg did give me a problem I now need to address!!! Well, using non-standard install/save locations and such is what I do since many years also. My Windows ain't on c: to start with. Neither is my TB msg base stored in its original suggested location, not even on the PC I use to type this. rg AFTER TB! was installed (and after TB knew to place attachments in it's own rg default directory) Ya, some trade-off for the 'average' Windows user I guess. At least it's not even as nearly that bad taking over your PC as M$ programs. rg I moved the attachment directory and the files within so rg of course now TB thinks the (affected) attachments are 0-byte files! Anyone? Well, you gotta inform TB where you moved them. In general: use account/folder properties to move things around. -- Kind regards, Peter Ouwehand E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Created the above using A program which insists to be : The Bat! V2.01.26 An OS which insists to be : Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
Hello tb, On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:19:36 -0600 GMT (16/11/2003, 05:19 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used Folder Maintenance Center with : [x] Purge old/exceeding messages My messages are gone, not in Trash and not in the subfolder 'old'. If you haven't compressed the original folder, they should still be in it, albeit invisible. Try Folder / Browse Deleted Messages to see them. It looks like the new feature works only if the messages are automatically purged. Can this be confirmed, and if so, is that a bug or as desired? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I've heard people are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Security concerns
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, on Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:11:46 + (2003-11-15 23:11:46 in .nl) in the message with reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote (at least in part): MDP TB macros are only executed when TB evaluates a template. Got that. MDP If you have a template that refers to macros in a disk file in your MDP attachments folder then conceivably someone could send you a MDP malicious macro and the very next time you evoke a template (for a MDP reply, auto-responder, new message, confirmation or forward) it MDP could execute the malicious code. So, conclusion: don't use an attachment folder to store attachments?! I don't use an attachment folder, hence the question below: If one uses an attachment folder, and some file containing macro exists in there. Then you receive another email with an attachment using the same name as the macro-file, will it be over-written without asking to do so? Then that's a security risk! BTW: my macros / templates are stored elsewhere. MDP BUT!!! MDP 1) The person sending you the code would have to know the name of MDPthe file you use. Ya, numerous MS exploits work that way. MDP 2) You would have to have had your brain removed to write such a MDPtemplate that calls upon a file in the attachments folder in the MDPfirst place - and then *told* someone about it! Seems you'r not aware how an 'average' Windows user is willing to share information. 'long time' TB users seem to be aware of things that most M$ users are not, don't simply assume everyone is aware. MDP No, this is so far beyond the realms of possibility that it's not MDP worth thinking about, let alone losing sleep over. See above. It is worth talking about it to those who expect M$-based programs will organise it for them! -- Kind regards, Peter Ouwehand E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Created the above using A program which insists to be : The Bat! V2.01.26 An OS which insists to be : Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Security concerns
Hi Peter, @16-Nov-2003, 03:54 +0100 (16-Nov 02:54 UK time) Peter Ouwehand [PO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP 2) You would have to have had your brain removed to write such MDP a template that calls upon a file in the attachments folder in MDP the first place - and then *told* someone about it! PO Seems you'r not aware how an 'average' Windows user is willing PO to share information. I have been writing commercial (for resale, not for single use) software for 26 years. Yes, I am completely aware of how naive end users can be, but WADR no average windows user is going to: 1) Run TB and... 2) Write their own macro based templates... 3) that include lumps of macro code... 4) read from files... 5) that live in an attachments folder. This scenario is so many times removed from reality, that it's the computing equivalent of operating a children's playground at the top of a 1000ft cliff with no fence and a slide that ends at the edge of the chasm. PO 'long time' TB users seem to be aware of things that most M$ PO users are not, don't simply assume everyone is aware. I will assume with great ease that anyone aware enough to rewrite the TB default templates with their own variants that call up macros based in files somewhere is not a naive user. An unaware user is not going to be writing templates full of macros that come from files. Only extremely advanced users write macros that are read from files anyway, and then only under very special circumstances. I consider myself pretty advanced and I've never done it. Never needed to do it. QTs are much more convenient. IMHO this is where common sense kicks in over paranoia, statistics, possibilities and permutations. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
