Re: RE:someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment

[Alexander S. Kunz]

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:26:07 +0200, Jurgen Haug  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

somehow  the  server  kills  all  headers  it doesn't like. I can't use  
the chat
functionality of TB!. (or maybe I haven't turned it on properly???)
Apparently, this is an Exchange issue (I've fiddled around with it  
before). Outlook, when used via POP3, leaves the headers (especially  
in-reply-to and references) intact, while when sending over MS Exchange,  
kills those headers. This alone is such an annoyance, I don't know what  
drugs those guys in Redmond are taking while programming...

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Re: Turn off auto address book entries?

[Matt Thoene]

On Monday, August 23, 2004 @ 12:25:18 PM [-0700], Zonnet wrote:

> That is not a feature of TB! but can be achieved by creating a special
> filter. You either have done this yourself (by axident ?) or someone is
> playing a trick on you.

> Look under the action tab in your filters if there is a tick at "add
> addresses to address book"

Checked the above, I have no ticks next to "add addresses to address
book" in any of my filters. Does TB add the address histories to the
address book?

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RE:someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello David et al,

Tuesday, August 24, 2004, 2:31:11 AM, you wrote:


> Like Alexander, I would be interested in hearing what settings work;
> what the problem was.

okay, thanks to everyone responding...

then let's do it on list.

Here are some of the problems I got:

The  server  changes my reply-to into what the company thinks fits. Like company
policy  is  first name underscore last name, and since we can also get mailed at
first  name  dot  last  name,  I want to use that one, since most customers that
don't  know  my  email-address but my name, just assume it will be the usual dot
thing.

(is  this  something  that can be changed on the server on a per-user-base or is
this a general thing?)


somehow  the  server  kills  all  headers  it doesn't like. I can't use the chat
functionality of TB!. (or maybe I haven't turned it on properly???)



BCC:  doesn't  work.  When  I  send a mail with CC: in it, everything works, BCC
doesn't.  Those  on the BCC: line simply don't get a mail (also no error message
for me, just simply nothing).

(this looks like a TB!/server incompatibility?)


Doing   an  HTML mail doesn't look the same on the other end in Outlook as doing
an  Outlook  HTML  mail  (I guess that has do to rather with Outlook? - if so, I
hope some TB programmers read this thread, too :-)


There's more but I have to come up with them :-/.


The  first  two ones are just cosmetic, but the third one with the BCC is really
bad,  and  the  fourth one enables my boss to point the finger at me saying that
TB! isn't good (anything not behaving like MS soft is bad).

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BayesIT scoring

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hi,

It may have been covered before, but I cannot find the message thread:

How can I tell the score of individual messages using BayesIT 5.11?  I
have looked in BayesIT.log and cannot figure it out.  Any assistance
would be appreciated.

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Total Spam Emails: 190
Total Clean Emails: 441
BayesIT guessed right 99.989474% of the time
My email is 30.110935% spam
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Re: BayeIT Macros

[Robin Anson]

On Tue 24 August 2004, 12:30:49 +1000, Drago wrote:
> ok im kinda confused here, I've checked these 3 macros out
> 

<...snip...>


> if my total spam is 270 and total clean is 246, shouldn't my spam percentage
> be 51% - 52% since my overall spam percentage is greater than clean or is the
> 270 my complete mails, 246 clean and the 24 left over spam
> 
> i cant see how i get 2% and below spam when my spam is greater than clean
> mails
> 
> anyone want to help me out here?


All your calculations involve fractions such as:
   %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)/%STATSPAMLETTERS(168)
   %STATSPAMERLETTERS(168)/%STATSPAMLETTERS(168)

You are quoting these as if they were percentages, but to covert them to
a percentage you should multiply them by 100

So, for instance, %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)/%STATSPAMLETTERS(168) is
246/270 which is 0.9, which is 91.111%

Now I am guessing the meaning of the macros is:
   %STATSPAMLETTERS()- number of msgs classified as spam in time period
   %STATNONSPAMLETTERS() - number of msgs classified as nonspam in time period
   %STATSPAMERLETTERS()  - number of msgs classified as spam but
   reclassified as nonspam in time period

Lets abbreviate (for simplicity) as follows:
   %STATSPAMLETTERS()- %s
   %STATNONSPAMLETTERS() - %n
   %STATSPAMERLETTERS()  - %e

Then the correct calculations are:
   Percentage BayesIT guessed wrong = 100*%e/(%s+%n)
   Percentage BayesIT guessed right = 100*(1-%e/(%s+%n))
   Percentage of email that is spam = 100*(%s/(%s+%n))


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Re: BayeIT Macros

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hello Drago,

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Drago mused about "BayeIT Macros" (at least in
part):


D> if my total spam is 270 and total clean is 246, shouldn't my spam percentage
D> be 51% - 52% since my overall spam percentage is greater than clean or is the
D> 270 my complete mails, 246 clean and the 24 left over spam

D> i cant see how i get 2% and below spam when my spam is greater than clean
D> mails

D> anyone want to help me out here?

My current macro set is

=
Spam Stats, last 24 hours (%BAYESITVERSION)
Total Spam Emails: %STATSPAMLETTERS(24)
Total Clean Emails: %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(24)
BayesIT guessed right %-
%calculate="100-(%STATSPAMERLETTERS(24)/%STATSPAMLETTERS(24))"%% of the time
My email is %-
%Calc("100*%STATSPAMLETTERS(24)/(%STATSPAMLETTERS(24)+%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(24))")%% spam
=

which produces...
=
Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.5.11)
Total Spam Emails: 188
Total Clean Emails: 439
BayesIT guessed right 99.989362% of the time
My email is 29.984051% spam
=

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BayeIT Macros

[Drago]

ok im kinda confused here, I've checked these 3 macros out

1)
Spam Stats, last 7 days (%BAYESITVERSION)
Total Spam Emails: %STATSPAMLETTERS(168)
Total Clean Emails: %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)
BayesIT guessed right %calculate="100-(%STATSPAMERLETTERS(168)/%
STATSPAMLETTERS(168))"%% of the time
My email is %calculate="%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)/%STATSPAMLETTERS(168)"%% 
spam

Spam Stats, last 7 days (BayesIt! 0.5.11)
Total Spam Emails: 270
Total Clean Emails: 246
BayesIT guessed right 99.94% of the time
My email is 0.91% spam

2)
Spam Stats, last 7 days (%BAYESITVERSION)
Total Spam Emails: %STATSPAMLETTERS(168)
Total Clean Emails: %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)
BayesIT guessed right %calculate="100-(%STATSPAMERLETTERS(168)/%
STATSPAMLETTERS(168))"%% of the time
My email is %calculate="%STATSPAMLETTERS(168)/%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)"%% 
spam

Spam Stats, last 7 days (BayesIt! 0.5.11)
Total Spam Emails: 270
Total Clean Emails: 246
BayesIT guessed right 99.94% of the time
My email is 1.097561% spam

3)
Spam Stats, last 7 days (%BAYESITVERSION)
Total Spam Emails: %STATSPAMLETTERS(168)
Total Clean Emails: %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)
BayesIT guessed right %calculate="100-(%STATSPAMERLETTERS(168)/%
STATSPAMLETTERS(168))"%% of the time
My email is %_Sum=%Calc("%STATSPAMLETTERS(168)+%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)")%-
%_Quot=%Calc("%StatSpamLetters/%_sum")%-
%_Percent=%calc("100*%_quot")%-
%_Percent%% spam

Spam Stats, last 7 days (BayesIt! 0.5.11)
Total Spam Emails: 270
Total Clean Emails: 246
BayesIT guessed right 99.94% of the time
My email is 0% spam

if my total spam is 270 and total clean is 246, shouldn't my spam percentage 
be 51% - 52% since my overall spam percentage is greater than clean or is the 
270 my complete mails, 246 clean and the 24 left over spam

i cant see how i get 2% and below spam when my spam is greater than clean 
mails

anyone want to help me out here?

these macros were posted by "Michael L. Wilson" on Aug 3rd under the subject 
"Playing with BayesIT macros"

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Re[2]: Math in The Bat! Macros

[Quin Selman]

Hello Roelof,

Monday, August 23, 2004, 3:51:52 PM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo Quin,

RO> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:13:41 -0600GMT (23-8-2004, 23:13 +0200, where I
RO> live), you wrote:

 I am trying to complete the following calculation
 100*(x/x+y)
 x = %STATSPAMLETTERS = 77
 y = %STATNONSPAMLETTERS = 185
 Using a calculator, I get 29.389

BM>>> You appear to be abusing your calculator :-)
BM>>> The correct answer, assuming normal precedence, is 18,600.

QS>> Either way I do it, I get 29.389. Maybe I've just forgotten the normal
QS>> precedure. Refresh my memory, please; I'm aging fast now.

RO> You're misreading Bill, he's talking about correct precedence, not
RO> correct procedure.
RO> 100*(77/77+185)=100*(1+185)=18600
RO> After all dividing takes precedence over adding
RO> Since you know that in spite of what Michael said, he really wanted to
RO> calculate a percentage, your calculation was:
RO> 100*77/(77+185)=7700/262=29.3893 (and some decimals)
RO> However Michael only gave a formula and no intention. ;-)

 O.K. Thanks for filling it in for me. When I stepped in late and
 missed the point.

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Re: Server reports error

[David Earl]

Hi Thomas,

I've seen this one. When I get the error message from TB, it's because an eMail
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] is sitting in the outbox of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] account.
GMX tests that the From field matches the account. The easy solution
is to drag the eMail over to the correct Outbox. That hard part is
figuring out why the eMail was put in the wrong Outbox in the first
place.

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TF> Hello TBUDL,

TF> What does this mean?

TF>  18/08/2004, 20:59:15: SEND  - sending mail messages - 1 messages in queue
TF>  18/08/2004, 20:59:16: SEND  - connected to SMTP server
TF>  18/08/2004, 20:59:17: SEND  - authenticating (software CRAM-MD5)...
TF>  18/08/2004, 20:59:21: SEND  - sending message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TF>  18/08/2004, 21:00:22: SEND  - The last address submitted was <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
TF> !18/08/2004, 21:00:22: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server reply - 0 {mp006} 
ok
TF> !18/08/2004, 21:00:22: SEND  - Server reports error. The response is: p006} ok
TF> !18/08/2004, 21:00:22: SEND  - Server reports error. The response is: p006} ok
TF> !18/08/2004, 21:00:22: SEND  - Server reports error. The response is: p006} ok
TF>  18/08/2004, 21:00:22: SEND  - connection finished - 0 messages sent
TF>  18/08/2004, 21:00:22: SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the log for 
details

TF> Using TB 2.12.02 under Win98. Never encountered this problem before.
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Re[2]: someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment

[David Earl]

Hi Jurgen,

Like Alexander, I would be interested in hearing what settings work;
what the problem was.

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JH> Hello Chris,

JH> Monday, August 23, 2004, 8:04:27 PM, you wrote:

>>> I have plenty of problems with TB! at work, where everyone else is
>>> using Outlook and the mail server is Exchange. I think a few things
>>> might come from TB!-settings but maybe others can be done by change
>>> something on the Exchange server... Since I am a bit in the grey
>>> zone of company policy by not using Outlook, I have to be careful
>>> with questions/complaints. Anyone out there with some time/patience
>>> who could maybe help me come up with the right things to say to the
>>> admin guy?

>> I have an Exchange sever setup at home that I have been playing with a
>> bit. I haven't been doing anything complicated like filtering, etc. If
>> you want me to look into a few things, I can try.

JH> that would be great, may we take this off-list?




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Re:external links

[Perry Nelson]

Hi Jim,

Monday, August 23, 2004, 6:30:37 PM, you wrote:

JK> Excellent! Thanks. This also answered my other query because in the
JK> same window there's a button to set the application, and I used it
JK> to select Netscape.

  Glad I could help.

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Re: IMAP Delete

[Allie Martin]

Kovács P. Gábor, [KPG] wrote:

> I've some trouble finding out how to automatically remove locally
> deleted messages from the IMAP server. I use The Bat! from home to
> read my office mail. Every email I delete at home with The Bat! is
> on the server the following morning, when I go to work and open my
> Outlook.

Go in the account properties and select the 'IMAP fine-tune' section.
Enable the option: 'compress folders when switching to another folder'

See if this helps. It works here.

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Re: external links

[Jim Kling]

Monday, August 23, 2004, 5:57:12 PM, you wrote:

> Monday, August 23, 2004, 5:43:04 PM, you wrote:

JK>> I've just started using TB and I like it, but I have an issue with
JK>> external links (clicking on a url in a message). One problem is that
JK>> it opens the browser twice instead of just once.

>   First, welcome to the list, Jim.

>   The problem is a Firefox issue. You can resolve it by following the
>   directions here ...

>   http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246078

>   Scroll down to Comment # 6.  The instructions are there.

Excellent! Thanks. This also answered my other query because in the same window 
there's a button to set the
application, and I used it to select Netscape.


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Re: external links

[Perry Nelson]

Hi Jim,

Monday, August 23, 2004, 5:43:04 PM, you wrote:

JK> I've just started using TB and I like it, but I have an issue with
JK> external links (clicking on a url in a message). One problem is that
JK> it opens the browser twice instead of just once.

  First, welcome to the list, Jim.

  The problem is a Firefox issue. You can resolve it by following the
  directions here ...

  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246078

  Scroll down to Comment # 6.  The instructions are there.

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Re: Math in The Bat! Macros

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Quin,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:13:41 -0600GMT (23-8-2004, 23:13 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>>> I am trying to complete the following calculation
>>> 100*(x/x+y)
>>> x = %STATSPAMLETTERS = 77
>>> y = %STATNONSPAMLETTERS = 185
>>> Using a calculator, I get 29.389

BM>> You appear to be abusing your calculator :-)
BM>> The correct answer, assuming normal precedence, is 18,600.

QS> Either way I do it, I get 29.389. Maybe I've just forgotten the normal
QS> precedure. Refresh my memory, please; I'm aging fast now.

You're misreading Bill, he's talking about correct precedence, not
correct procedure.
100*(77/77+185)=100*(1+185)=18600
After all dividing takes precedence over adding
Since you know that in spite of what Michael said, he really wanted to
calculate a percentage, your calculation was:
100*77/(77+185)=7700/262=29.3893 (and some decimals)
However Michael only gave a formula and no intention. ;-)

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external links

[Jim Kling]

I've just started using TB and I like it, but I have an issue with external links 
(clicking on a url in a
message). One problem is that it opens the browser twice instead of just once.

The other is that I'd like to designate which browser it uses. I currently use firefox 
for general browsing
purposes, but I'd like TB to use Netscape instead. Is there a way to set it to do this?

Thanks,
Jim Kling

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Re[2]: Math in The Bat! Macros

[Quin Selman]

Hello Bill,

Tuesday, August 3, 2004, 5:37:11 PM, you wrote:

BM> On Tue 3-Aug-04 1:41pm -0400, Michael L. Wilson wrote:

>> I am trying to complete the following calculation
>>
>> 100*(x/x+y)
>>
>> x = %STATSPAMLETTERS = 77
>> y = %STATNONSPAMLETTERS = 185
>>
>> Using a calculator, I get 29.389

BM> You appear to be abusing your calculator :-)

BM> The correct answer, assuming normal precedence, is 18,600.

Either way I do it, I get 29.389. Maybe I've just forgotten the normal
precedure. Refresh my memory, please; I'm aging fast now.

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Re: template problem

[Luc]

Good evening Roelof,
  
It was foretold that on 23-8-2004 @ 21:59:46 GMT+0200 (which was
21:59:46 where I live) Roelof Otten would write:
  


RO> Depends on the configuration of the list. (And on the philosophy of
RO> the list owner or the programmer of the list software)
  
 %REPLYTO="%FROMNAME on list "%-

 fixed it in this case :-)
 
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Re[2]: Expanding all threads in a folder

[Quin Selman]

Hello Thomas,

Friday, July 30, 2004, 7:52:14 AM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Dan,

TF> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:33:07 -0400 GMT (30/07/2004, 20:33 +0700 GMT),
TF> Dan Grunberg wrote:

DG>> I can't seem to use |Shift| + |Ctrl| + |*| to expand all threads in a
DG>> list of messages. TB's Help says it should work, but it doesn't.

TF> I use crtl-* (no shift) and it works. You have to use the asterisk on
TF> the numpad, not the one above the 8.

For me, CTRL + * only works to a certain "depth" of replies in the
message list. Once there, I will see another plus sign and will have
to use CTRL + * again to expand the remainder of the thread.

I'm fairly certain others have commented about this in the past, but
I've never heard whether that's the way it's supposed to be or not. Do
you know?

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Re: someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Jurgen Haug,

23-Aug-2004 20:22, you wrote:

> that would be great, may we take this off-list?

Maybe not, I'd be interested in that too... (having a really huge Exchange
mailbox, I only tried once and it took ages to "synchronize" so I left that
idea alone for now).

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Re: template problem

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Chris,

23-Aug-2004 20:17, you wrote:

> Finally, it changes the Reply-To address to "Chris on the TBUDL
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" to help make sure that replies get back to
> the list.

But the listmailer overwrites any reply-to address anyway. (see F9)

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Re: template problem

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Luc,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:21:50 +0200GMT (23-8-2004, 20:21 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RO>> When you don't want to redirect your mail to a different address than
RO>> you're using in the From header, you don't need a Reply-To header (nor
RO>> a setting for it)

L> Ah but in this case i need a different reply to address:  the  one
L> the list uses, otherwise i get replies to my address instead of to the
L> list.

Depends on the configuration of the list. (And on the philosophy of
the list owner or the programmer of the list software)
There are three types of lists
1) Those that always set the reply-to to the list
2) Those that set the reply-to to the list when there isn't a reply-to
3) Those that never set a reply-to
It's a matter of thinking how ethical it is to change messages from
other senders. Generally speaking 1) is totally Windows and 3) is
totally Unix

L> But it's strange i only have the problem with that particular list.

I bet it's *nix based.

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Re: Turn off auto address book entries?

[Zonnet]

ON Monday, August 23, 2004, 5:47:39 PM, you wrote:
MT> How do I turn off the feature that automatically adds addresses to my
MT> address book?


Hi Matt,
That is not a feature of TB! but can be achieved by creating a special
filter. You either have done this yourself (by axident ?) or someone is
playing a trick on you.

Look under the action tab in your filters if there is a tick at "add
addresses to address book"

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IMAP Delete

[Kovács P. Gábor]

Good evening list,

I've some trouble finding out how to automatically remove locally deleted messages 
from the IMAP server.
I use The Bat! from home to read my office mail. Every email I delete at home with The 
Bat! is on the server the following morning, when I go to work and open my Outlook.

I know I can purge messages manually, but is there a way to automate this?
Purge deleted IMAP messages on exit?

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Re: someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment

[Peter Fjelsten]

Jurgen,

On 23-08-2004 20:01, you [JH] wrote in
:
JH> I have plenty of problems with TB! at work, where everyone else is
JH> using Outlook and the mail server is Exchange. I think a few things
JH> might come from TB!-settings but maybe others can be done by change
JH> something on the Exchange server... Since I am a bit in the grey
JH> zone of company policy by not using Outlook, I have to be careful
JH> with questions/complaints.

I am in the exact same situation - except everything works for me.

I am also using filters. Of course the advanced Outlook features do not
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Re: someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment

[Terry G. Munson]

Hello Jurgen,

Monday, August 23, 2004, 11:01:48 AM, you wrote:

> Anyone out there with some time/patience who could maybe help me
> come up with the right things to say to the admin guy?

What kind of problems do you have?

I am using TB! at work where everyone else is using outlook and the
mail server is exchange.


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RE:someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello Chris,

Monday, August 23, 2004, 8:04:27 PM, you wrote:

>> I have plenty of problems with TB! at work, where everyone else is
>> using Outlook and the mail server is Exchange. I think a few things
>> might come from TB!-settings but maybe others can be done by change
>> something on the Exchange server... Since I am a bit in the grey
>> zone of company policy by not using Outlook, I have to be careful
>> with questions/complaints. Anyone out there with some time/patience
>> who could maybe help me come up with the right things to say to the
>> admin guy?

> I have an Exchange sever setup at home that I have been playing with a
> bit. I haven't been doing anything complicated like filtering, etc. If
> you want me to look into a few things, I can try.

that would be great, may we take this off-list?

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Re: template problem

[Luc]

Good evening Roelof,
  
It was foretold that on 23-8-2004 @ 20:11:14 GMT+0200 (which was
20:11:14 where I live) Roelof Otten would write:
  


RO> When you don't want to redirect your mail to a different address than
RO> you're using in the From header, you don't need a Reply-To header (nor
RO> a setting for it)

Ah but in this case i need a different reply to address:  the  one
the list uses, otherwise i get replies to my address instead of to the
list.

But it's strange i only have the problem with that particular list.

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Re: template problem

[Chris]

Roelof Otten @ 2004-Aug-23 2:11:14 PM
"template problem" 

L>>  %TO=""%TO="list address"%CC="" which is invoked with %Qinclude="Cds"
L>>  in the template. Still, i'm always getting my mail address in the
L>>  "reply to" field.
> TB inserts your address in the Reply-To header when you've told it so
> in your account (or folder) properties.
> When you don't want to redirect your mail to a different address than
> you're using in the From header, you don't need a Reply-To header (nor
> a setting for it)
For example, this is part of my TBUDL reply template:
%TO=""%-
%TO="%OFROMFNAME on the TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"%-
%REPLYTO="%FROMNAME on the TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"%-

This resets the destination address. Then is adds a new address based
on the original author. For example, this message is send to "Roelof
on the TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". Finally, it changes the
Reply-To address to "Chris on the TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" to
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Re: template problem

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Luc,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:13:38 +0200GMT (23-8-2004, 16:13 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

L>  %TO=""%TO="list address"%CC="" which is invoked with %Qinclude="Cds"
L>  in the template. Still, i'm always getting my mail address in the
L>  "reply to" field.

TB inserts your address in the Reply-To header when you've told it so
in your account (or folder) properties.
When you don't want to redirect your mail to a different address than
you're using in the From header, you don't need a Reply-To header (nor
a setting for it)

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Re: someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment

[Chris]

Jurgen Haug @ 2004-Aug-23 2:01:48 PM
"someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office 
environment" 

> I have plenty of problems with TB! at work, where everyone else is
> using Outlook and the mail server is Exchange. I think a few things
> might come from TB!-settings but maybe others can be done by change
> something on the Exchange server... Since I am a bit in the grey
> zone of company policy by not using Outlook, I have to be careful
> with questions/complaints. Anyone out there with some time/patience
> who could maybe help me come up with the right things to say to the
> admin guy?

I have an Exchange sever setup at home that I have been playing with a
bit. I haven't been doing anything complicated like filtering, etc. If
you want me to look into a few things, I can try.

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[Jurgen Haug]

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Hallo Fledermäuse,

I  have  plenty  of  problems  with  TB!  at  work, where everyone else is using
Outlook  and  the  mail server is Exchange. I think a few things might come from
TB!-settings  but  maybe  others can be done by change something on the Exchange
server...  Since  I  am  a  bit  in the grey zone of company policy by not using
Outlook, I have to be careful with questions/complaints.
Anyone  out  there  with some time/patience who could maybe help me come up with
the right things to say to the admin guy?

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Re: Threading question

[Raymund Thomas Tump]

Hello Roelof,

> For some reason your reply doesn't contain an In-Reply-To header and
> it's been mentioned before on this list that TB doesn't thread without
> In-Reply-To when you're using IMAP.

It's on my IMAP account. Seems that ritlabs wrote a good portion of
code anew if even threading is different from POP3 to IMAP...

> References header. But you didn't use TB, but something called
> 'WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange)' that appears to provide
> broken threading headers.

I know :-) I wondered only why it doesn't thread, now I know that too
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Re: template problem

[Luc]

Good evening Bill,
  
It was foretold that on 23-8-2004 @ 09:43:48 GMT-0700 (which was
18:43:48 where I live) Bill McQuillan would write:
  


BM> Reading the help file shows me that the macro is actually "%replyto". How accurate 
this
BM> may be is another question. ;-)
  
 Txn guys for clearing it up :-)
 
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Re: Threading question

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Alexander,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:29:51 +0200GMT (23-8-2004, 19:29 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> 'WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange)' that appears to provide
>> broken threading headers.
ASK> ...just like the majority of webmailers, I want to add...

I didn't feel the need to state the obvious. ;-)

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Re: Threading question

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Roelof Otten,

23-Aug-2004 19:08, you wrote:

> 'WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange)' that appears to provide
> broken threading headers.

...just like the majority of webmailers, I want to add...

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Re: Emptying Folders on exit and marking messages 'read'

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Ron,

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:00:48 -0400GMT (23-8-2004, 0:00 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RC> I  asked  a question about folders not being emptied when existing. I've
RC> since  learned  that  The  Bat  deletes messages that are only marked as
RC> read.

  Account -> Properties -> Mail management -> Deletion -> Check 'Purge Unread messages'

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Re: template problem

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Bill,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:43:48 -0700 GMT (23/08/2004, 23:43 +0700 GMT),
Bill McQuillan wrote:

>> Yes, that's where you can include the %reply macro.

BM> Reading the help file shows me that the macro is actually
BM> "%replyto". How accurate this may be is another question. ;-)

I thought it was %ReplyTo. But I checked the Help file before posting,
and there is said %Reply.

Help / Topics / Index / Macros / Adress Macros.

No, wait! This is under the heading ABnnnPPP. Scrolling down I see
that you are right. I should have paid more attention.

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Re: Threading question

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Raymund,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:07:06 +0200GMT (23-8-2004, 18:07 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RTT> At work I saw a response from Chris and answered it from work
RTT> (msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). Now this mail contains a
RTT> reference to the mail from Chris but it doesn't thread with it (at
RTT> least here with 2.13beta/6 and beta/7).

They thread here with beta/7

RTT> The question is why not? The threading should work in this situation as it
RTT> is possible to determine the thread where the mail belongs to.

For some reason your reply doesn't contain an In-Reply-To header and
it's been mentioned before on this list that TB doesn't thread without
In-Reply-To when you're using IMAP.

TB inserts an In-Reply-To header, unless you're explicitly removing
it yourself. (For whatever reason.)
Apart from that your message did contain a References header, but it
only contained the message-id from the message you were replying
directly to. Per default TB inserts all previous message-id's in the
References header. But you didn't use TB, but something called
'WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange)' that appears to provide
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Re: template problem

[Bill McQuillan]

On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 08:23:42, Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, that's where you can include the %reply macro.

Reading the help file shows me that the macro is actually "%replyto". How accurate 
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Re: Threading question

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Raymund and list,

On Monday, August 23, 2004 at 18:07:06 GMT +0200 (which was 18:07
where I live) Raymund Thomas Tump wrote (at least in parts) and made
these valuable points on the subject of "Threading question":

> I sent a mail about the my backup problem from my computer so I used
> TB to do that. (msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED])

> At work I saw a response from Chris and answered it from work
> (msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]).

They do thread here, I'm using threading by reference BTW.

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Re: Threading question

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

23-Aug-2004 18:15, you wrote:

> It does over here.

Dito. :-)

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Re: Threading question

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Raymund,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:07:06 +0200 GMT (23/08/2004, 23:07 +0700 GMT),
Raymund Thomas Tump wrote:

RTT> I sent a mail about the my backup problem from my computer so I used
RTT> TB to do that. (msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED])

RTT> At work I saw a response from Chris and answered it from work
RTT> (msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). Now this mail contains a
RTT> reference to the mail from Chris but it doesn't thread with it

It does over here.

RTT> (at least here with 2.13beta/6 and beta/7).

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Threading question

[Raymund Thomas Tump]

Hello tbudl,

I'm wondering about the threading of TB! in connection with GMX's web
interface.

I sent a mail about the my backup problem from my computer so I used
TB to do that. (msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED])

At work I saw a response from Chris and answered it from work
(msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). Now this mail contains a
reference to the mail from Chris but it doesn't thread with it (at
least here with 2.13beta/6 and beta/7).

The question is why not? The threading should work in this situation as it
is possible to determine the thread where the mail belongs to.

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Turn off auto address book entries?

[Matt Thoene]

Hi,

How do I turn off the feature that automatically adds addresses to my
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Re: template problem

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Luc,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:18:29 +0200 GMT (23/08/2004, 22:18 +0700 GMT),
Luc wrote:

TF>> No, but you might want to add %Reply="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
  
L>  Sorry for my ignorance but is it like this in that case:

L>  %TO=""%TO="list address"%CC=""

This has nothing to do with your reply-to address.

L>  %Reply="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

L>  in my %Qinclude="Cds" ?

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Re: HTML templates

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello M i c C u l l e n,

23-Aug-2004 00:34, you wrote:

> with bandwidth increasing at the rate it is, HTML email isn't the scourge
> it once was

Never mind the bandwidth. Its a security and privacy issue.

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Re: template problem

[Luc]

Good afternoon Thomas,
  
It was foretold that on 23-8-2004 @ 21:24:34 GMT+0700 (which was
16:24:34 where I live) Thomas Fernandez would write:
  


TF> No, but you might want to add %Reply="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
  
 Sorry for my ignorance but is it like this in that case:

 %TO=""%TO="list address"%CC=""

 %Reply="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

 in my %Qinclude="Cds" ?

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Re[2]: Emptying Folders on exit and marking messages 'read'

[Ron Carson]

On 8/23/2004, at 8:56 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RC>> Is  this  the  correct  behavior? If so, is their a way to automatically
RC>> mark  all  messages  as 'read'. I know the keyboard shortcut but can The
RC>> Bat automate this command?


>  Since you don't  leave messages around for very long, you could just
>  use a filter to mark them as read as soon as they arrive.


===

Yes,  this  will work, however, I would like to leave unread messages as
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Re: template problem

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Luc,

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:13:38 +0200 GMT (23/08/2004, 21:13 +0700 GMT),
Luc wrote:

L>  %TO=""%TO="list address"%CC="" which is invoked with %Qinclude="Cds"
L>  in the template. Still, i'm always getting my mail address in the
L>  "reply to" field.

You are not setting the Reply-To field.

L>  Is there something wrong with the way i use the %TO=""%TO="list
L>  address"%CC="" ?

No, but you might want to add %Reply="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

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template problem

[Luc]

 Good afternoon list,  

 On a list i'm subscribed to, i have the lists mail address set up for a
 reply by way of a quick template. The part i'm using for it is:

 %TO=""%TO="list address"%CC="" which is invoked with %Qinclude="Cds"
 in the template. Still, i'm always getting my mail address in the
 "reply to" field.

 Is there something wrong with the way i use the %TO=""%TO="list
 address"%CC="" ?

 It used to work for me in previous versions of TB!
 
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Re: Emptying Folders on exit and marking messages 'read'

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Ron,
Sunday, August 22, 2004, 5:00:48 PM, you wrote:

RC> Hello:

RC> I  asked  a question about folders not being emptied when existing. I've
RC> since  learned  that  The  Bat  deletes messages that are only marked as
RC> read.  For example, messages from The Bat list are filtered to a folder.
RC> I've  set  up  the  folder  to  store only 5 messages. Lets say I get 30
RC> messages in The Bat folder. I read only 10 messages, leaving 20 messages
RC> unread.  Upon exit, The Bat will delete ONLY the read messages, but none
RC> of the unread messages.

RC> Is  this  the  correct  behavior? If so, is their a way to automatically
RC> mark  all  messages  as 'read'. I know the keyboard shortcut but can The
RC> Bat automate this command?


 Since you don't  leave messages around for very long, you could just
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Using The Bat! v2.13 "Lucky" Beta/7 on Windows 98 4.10 Build   A 



Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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