Re: Filter string question (v2.12)
Hallo rich, On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:30:18 -0500GMT (25-1-2006, 3:30 +0100, where I live), you wrote: RG I would think that if I need 2 filters I would take *ALL* mail RG addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and FIRST send it to the spam RG bucket THEN filter the spam folder for correct_name RG [EMAIL PROTECTED] and return these to the pending orders RG folder. You need to supply some additional info. This account of yours, is that an account that receives mail from several aliases or only for this specific address? In the latter case you only have to check whether the recipients do not contain myname myaddress in order to mark the message as junk. When the account receives mail for multiple addresses, then you've got to find a way to identify messages addressed to the specific address and combine that with the same condition as before. Note that mail doesn't need to have your address in the To or BCC header to be sent to you. -- Groetjes, Roelof It is easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar. The Bat! 3.65.04 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgptMagIUuedJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying HTML
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:21:24 -0600, Chris wrote: HOWEVER, a whitelist would be nice. For example, I could configure The Bat! to download images from Amazon's server, my bank's server, and my own server, but no others. See this feature request: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1780 I noticed when trying out TBird that it has a Show Images button. Seems to fit the bill for me. -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.65.03 and AGAVA 2.1.6 Release Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter string question (v2.12)
Hello rich gregory everyone else, on 25-Jan-2006 at 03:51 you (rich gregory) wrote: DAC you lost me there. filter the mail you want to keep. put it whereever DAC you want it. then all that's left is spam in the inbox, Well, I'd prefer not to leave spam in the inbox. Of course not. Lets take it step by step. 1. You receive new mail - all mail first goes to the inbox, and it is processed by all incoming filters. Filters are executed from top to bottom, as they are shown in the sorting office. 2. Your first filter is good mail (you could also call it a whitelist). It checks if the TO field really contains Your Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] - if so, it moves the message to the folder PayPal, or whatever... 3. The next filter is the spam filter (blacklist). It checks if the TO field does NOT contain the good string, and if doesn't, the message is moved to the Junk folder. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) History is a thin garment, easily punctured by a knifeblade called now. -- Graham Swift Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying HTML
Hello Chris everyone else, on 24-Jan-2006 at 23:21 you (Chris) wrote: HOWEVER, a whitelist would be nice. Actually, I don't think so. The current flood of phishing mails all come from a valid real bank account email address like @postbank.de or something. A whitelist will automate the security hole. E-Mail addresses can be faked way to easily, a whitelist is not a good solution for this problem. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Young's Law: All inanimate objects can move just enough to get in your way. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB + IMAP Server
Hi folks, I am using TB 3.65.03 and having massive problems: - I have often but not surely reproducable access violations in TB - Sometimes (about once per day) TB hangs and must be sut down via te task manager. But worst: It leaves some connections on the mail server so that I have to restart that too in order to work again. (I am shure there is a timeout when the lost connection gets freed, but I dont have that kind of time to wait) - I get crashes nearly reproducable when TB syncs with the IMAP server and I try to read/move newly recieved mails - The mail counting gets on my nerve: I am reading a couple of newsgroups and have some filters for this directly on the mail server. Every time I want to check my inbox for new mail, TB gets the status of ALL folders within my account. How can I disable this? I would like to configure which folders should be checked when clicking on the recieve mail button and which should only be checked when I switch into that folder. I really like TB but these things keep me away from working so I need a solution ... Thanks in advance Michael -- Call A CD - Ihr persönlicher Downloadservice und CD-Shop Im Web: www.callacd.com Per Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB + IMAP Server
On 25/1/2006 at 6:44:03 AM [GMT -0500], Michael Wagner wrote: I am using TB 3.65.03 and having massive problems: Though I'm using a beta, I do recall using the version you're using and my problems then, weren't massive. For IMAP, this isn't at all unusual. User experience seems to vary quite widely and this is likely secondary to the differences with IMAP server and additionally, how TB! is configured. As a result of this, some of my comments may well be of no direct use, but it may add some perspective to the frustrations involved in trying to use TB! for IMAP. It's largely a luck of the draw, it would seem. I use the FastMail service for e-mail. TB! seems to work pretty well with it. - I have often but not surely reproducable access violations in TB For some time now AV's have been exceedingly rare for me. OTOH, in the not so recent past, AV's were a frequent part of IMAP use. Too frequent. - Sometimes (about once per day) TB hangs and must be sut down via te task manager. But worst: It leaves some connections on the mail server so that I have to restart that too in order to work again. (I am shure there is a timeout when the lost connection gets freed, but I dont have that kind of time to wait) I have no problems like that. However, just to make a point, I used Mulberry almost exclusively during a time when I found TB! IMAP unworkable. During the time, Mulberry would crash on sending mail. There was a specific trigger and it drove me nuts trying to fix it since others couldn't duplicate it. Turned out to be a setting on the server. IOW's, don't under-estimate the influence of the server in how things run. If you're running your own server, you could fiddle where that's concerned. However, TB! IMAP is unreliable and it's difficult to say who is to blame whenever there's a problem. I'd fiddle anyway, since your problems seem particularly crippling and that's unusual, even for TB!. - I get crashes nearly reproducable when TB syncs with the IMAP server and I try to read/move newly recieved mails Not here. - The mail counting gets on my nerve: I am reading a couple of newsgroups and have some filters for this directly on the mail server. Every time I want to check my inbox for new mail, TB gets the status of ALL folders within my account. How can I disable this? I would like to configure which folders should be checked when clicking on the recieve mail button and which should only be checked when I switch into that folder. I'm afraid this can't be disabled. This is one of the reasons TB! needs more bandwidth than the other clients. It tends to use bandwidth to run those checks that you can't disable. You could try disabling the periodic folder updating found in the IMAP fine tune settings. On the TB! side, I recommend the following to get the most hassle-free, as possible IMAP experience. If you're still having problems despite this, then I'd look into the server settings. If there's still no joy, I'd join TBBETA and let RIT know about your problems, giving them details about your server setup. One can only then hope that they'll look into it. - set all folders to not synchronise with the server. Folder counts will still be done, as configured in the IMAP fine-tune settings. - do not use a server side Outbox. Keep your Outbox local. Too many problems there. - Here's a capture of my fine-tune settings for you to look at http://www.aimlink.name/pics/finetune.png - avoid nesting and un-nesting folders. You're doing some complicated shifting of folders on the server when you do this. TB! seems to mess up for many when they try it. I don't since I'm not feeling lucky! I really like TB but these things keep me away from working so I need a solution ... I can imagine. Many IMAP users have stopped using TB! as their main client. I don't use TB! at work. It's just not suited to the type of connection I have to deal with at work. However, at home, it's usable and dare I say, reliably so. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat!™ v3.70.02 Qigong(Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...Oxymoron: Vacant Dwelling. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB + IMAP Server
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 12:44:03, Michael Wagner wrote: - I have often but not surely reproducable access violations in TB This was fixed in the latest beta, I was experiencing the same problem for a long time. - Sometimes (about once per day) TB hangs and must be sut down via te task manager. But worst: It leaves some connections on the mail server so that I have to restart that too in order to work again. (I am shure there is a timeout when the lost connection gets freed, but I dont have that kind of time to wait) When a program is shut down (no matter in what manner), all it's filehandles (this includes TCP connections) are closed, though it might take the server about a minute to figure this out sometimes (since the connection wasn't terminated with a QUIT message). -- Jernej Simončič http://deepthought.ena.si/ History repeats itself. That's one of the things wrong with history. -- Darrow's Observation Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Relay personality in Thebat
Hi all, I have my email setup to send via gmail's smtp server in Eudora via its relay personality feature. How do I acumplish this in Thebat home 3.65.03? Pranav Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter string question (v2.12)
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, 8:51:37 PM, rich gregory wrote: Well, I'd prefer not to leave spam in the inbox. I assumed you were going to delete it. DAC maybe b can be to flag the message or some such, and just leave DAC it in the inbox, I'd prefer to have the filter do more work than just flag an e-mail... If it can flag an e-mail it can move an e-mail, no? sure. but if you wanted to leave it in the inbox that would be a choice. I'm afraid I can't answer your specific procedure question because it has been so long since I switched to version 3 -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.65.04 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter string question (v2.12)
DAC On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, 8:51:37 PM, rich gregory wrote: Well, I'd prefer not to leave spam in the inbox. DAC I assumed you were going to delete it. After I sent that mssg I wanted to take it back. I thought my statement above might come off as rude. Sorry. I have some other replies to address as well today and can more completely work through this there so we'll pick this up there, then! Thank you. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday today is the tomorrow you dreamed about yesterday. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter string question (v2.12)
RG I would think that if I need 2 filters I would take *ALL* mail RG addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and FIRST send it to the spam RG bucket THEN filter the spam folder for correct_name RG [EMAIL PROTECTED] and return these to the pending orders RG folder. RO This account of yours, is that an account that receives mail from RO several aliases or only for this specific address? RO In the latter case you only have to check whether the recipients do RO not contain myname myaddress in order to mark the message as junk. I get hundreds of bogus aliases daily that are all spam. Occasionally the alias is correct, then it is an order. Here is the example: Good: Correct_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bad : Bogus random name or blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good needs to go to stay in the INBOX (for further manual processing) Bad need to go to the spam bucket (or better yet, deleted) RO When the account receives mail for multiple addresses, then you've got RO to find a way to identify messages addressed to the specific address RO and combine that with the same condition as before. (Feeling thick) I do not know what you mean or how to implement this. :( RO Note that mail doesn't need to have your address in the To or BCC RO header to be sent to you. Good point. And note the correctly addressed emails NEVER have the address in any field other than TO:. TO EVERYBODY: As I wrote the above it became clear to me that the way to do this is a single Selective Download filter that DELETES the bogus mssgs. This way the good ones end up culled from the bad and already in the inbox. NOW -- I just need to know how to tell the selective download filters that any email with [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header BUT ALSO with Correct_name NOT in the header is to be deleted. (One step closer!) Thanks all again. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Ignorance of Truth is the cause of all Misery. - Buddah Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: Filter string question (v2.12)
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:12:49 +0100, rich gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get hundreds of bogus aliases daily that are all spam. Occasionally the alias is correct, then it is an order. Here is the example: Good: Correct_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bad : Bogus random name or blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thats not an alias. Those are just realnames. :-) Aliases are different mail addresses within a domain that lead to one and the same mail account. You could also call them redirections. For example, you could have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] both end in the same mail account which has the real address [EMAIL PROTECTED]. You're collecting three mail addresses in one mail account that way but can still keep them apart according to the TO address. -- Greetings/Grüsse Alexander. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter string question (v2.12)
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 8:53:42 AM, rich gregory wrote: I thought my statement above might come off as rude. Sorry. no offense taken. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.65.04 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TEMPLATE HELP
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:47:48 -0500, Chuck Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need template help. I am trying to trip off message footers as I reply. Alternatively, but common good practise: select only the relevant text in the original that you want to reply to, and press F4. It's a wee bit more work on your end, though. -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relay personality in Thebat
Hello Pranav Lal everyone else, on 25-Jan-2006 at 15:21 you (Pranav Lal) wrote: I have my email setup to send via gmail's smtp server in Eudora via its relay personality feature. How do I acumplish this in Thebat home 3.65.03? Erm... what is a relay personality? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: A Snowdrift (6:10) by LX Bliss from the 2006 album 'neuroWerx MMVI' Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relay personality in Thebat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 25 Jan 2006, @ @ at 19:51:06 +0530, when Pranav Lal wrote: I have my email setup to send via gmail's smtp server in Eudora via its relay personality feature. How do I acumplish this in Thebat home 3.65.03? You may use X-Ray Mail Assistant, to give it parameters of Gmail's SMTP server, while to TB you'd give just localhost instructions instead. Thus, TB will send to X-Ray (locally) first, and X-Ray will then send to Gmail. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 511 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ9egobSpHvHEUtv8AQOIcAf5AYIHbh+clL9KSchfg1uVPpUpKxAPkUry jt9EAu9tQqlJmRNtP8wtxjCgnpFeCfgcz+v13iiDaiNkr+abxaOhAxXDlLIoBslj a+aHg/Cp/l1r55Z7Be3XgI1rzcfdae68tumw+pc13lGrN0VJlnyqbzdXNqhKAUCC JiFTuRWB0EKNM+Uvf/u/fmm6t+ZJYc4OU3WjfJx2OZQ/so1wYr221mUYXmEpM+NP G6u3pz1/No5wffiyQgsHNkFCLsfZQRXGR3b4CMLvKPThrIAc2Gf1+p5ElSYhHdBo coFfl7yJfvchXBRfOUH694AA2iH3De9uYK6ebJPfwnezP3ghnlGimg== =o7Mh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Relay personality in Thebat)
Hello Pranav, Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 7:21:06 AM, you wrote: Pranav Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Pranav. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. ... and, no, we can't add the cut mark to the list footer on the server because when there are 2 cut marks in a message, only the last is used. So that would penalize those that *do* correctly use a cut mark To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Shouting 'M' at a minotaur is not conducive to long life. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying HTML
Alexander S. Kunz @ 1/25/2006 5:41:54 AM Displaying HTML mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HOWEVER, a whitelist would be nice. Actually, I don't think so. The current flood of phishing mails all come from a valid real bank account email address like @postbank.de or something. A whitelist will automate the security hole. E-Mail addresses can be faked way to easily, a whitelist is not a good solution for this problem. Perhaps I did not express myself clearly. I whitelist of servers from which it is safe to download certain kinds of content would be nice (not a whitelist of senders). Although, it one whitelisted PayPal, phishing schemes that refer to the PayPal site directly would look more legitimate. And there is always DNS poisoning... -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it. pgpJagEYvR9xJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relay personality in Thebat
Pranav Lal @ 1/25/2006 8:21:06 AM Relay personality in Thebat mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have my email setup to send via gmail's smtp server in Eudora via its relay personality feature. How do I acumplish this in Thebat home 3.65.03? What's wrong with setting the outgoing server to GMail's? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Alone together pgpL4DcLPVUzl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Filter string question (v2.12)
Below, corrected: [TO A SINGLE EMAIL ADDRESS] I get hundreds of bogus [EMAILS] daily that are all spam. Occasionally [TO THE SAME EMAIL ADDRESS I GET EMAILS THAT ARE NOT SPAM]. Here is the example: Good: Correct name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bad : Bogus name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bad : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASK Thats not an alias. Those are just realnames. Aliases are... --- 8 --- snip, snip --- OK So the real names are the only differentiator between these true and false emails. As I said earlier: It has became clear to me that the way to do this is a single Selective Download filter that DELETES the bogus mssgs. This way the good ones end up culled from the bad and already in the inbox. NOW I just need to know : How do I to tell the selective download filters that any email 1) containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header 2) AND MISSING the correct real name is to be deleted. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: The best things in life aren't things. - Art Buchwald Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying HTML
Hello Chris everyone else, on 25-Jan-2006 at 22:41 you (Chris) wrote: Perhaps I did not express myself clearly. I whitelist of servers from which it is safe to download certain kinds of content would be nice (not a whitelist of senders). Although, it one whitelisted PayPal, phishing schemes that refer to the PayPal site directly would look more legitimate. And there is always DNS poisoning... OK, I see. However, I think it may be more of a pro task to actually whitelist the servers - I'm thinking of those legitimate newsletters that are spread through a specialised-in-newsletters provider, etc. A simple button load remote images now, its visibility configurable, with an extra, again configurable, warning requester may be enough for the daily work. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Green Sun Prismatic Sky (17:48) by Ishvara from the 2005 album 'Magik Square of the Sun' Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter string question (v2.12)
Hello rich gregory everyone else, on 25-Jan-2006 at 22:49 you (rich gregory) wrote: NOW I just need to know : How do I to tell the selective download filters that any email 1) containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header 2) AND MISSING the correct real name is to be deleted. I'm very sorry that I can't help you with that, I'm using v3 of TB which has the new filtering system. Some other user experienced with selective download filters in v2 may be able to help you - Mica? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Green Sun Prismatic Sky (17:48) by Ishvara from the 2005 album 'Magik Square of the Sun' Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying HTML
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 4:01:35 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: A simple button load remote images now, its visibility configurable, with an extra, again configurable, warning requester may be enough for the daily work. Just double clicking and opening in your browser of choice is pretty straight forward, and there's no new code to screw up either. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.70.03 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter string question (v2.12)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 25 Jan 2006, @ @ at 16:49:37 -0500, when rich gregory wrote: NOW I just need to know : How do I to tell the selective download filters that any email 1) containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header 2) AND MISSING the correct real name is to be deleted. This regular expression... (?!correct_real_name) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...should detect the said address that is not preceded by correct_real_name, but check it, and/or consult others, more experienced with regex. I am not sure whether the space before the chevron at the beginning of the address should be left just as it is or it would have to be denoted by some other symbol. If this regex above is fully correct, then you would just have to check Entire header under Rule tab, then Match any string as a regular expression for Detection method, and Kill for Action, under Advanced tab. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 511 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ9gCbbSpHvHEUtv8AQPeLAf9HLGnw5FrTnuMWAIifCdE0h+rS9k6wNMY BzVgwkxnu7lurpexmSnhXuyqI8htaDYgbyXXIiB3viKBCN2WEDiEiDVSOi9IQkBE 0n++e/hknaPMyOULo4AUfpZCIcDwuB5FjE5q3kOZlYcvyRvcFosgfMNC6QKXcK0H IUhFwxTy1Y2ZllbYRMpIaqFPUfyc8KwWQxqKNxAF7J15mMD5MNgvS/L6Fiazuz2o 5z4NVPfzstYzqEDOMo6fGRJt9IDqIdxUCyZtQAywiW47I16zYjQSPmq2DfPBE+W1 pf8MeDRDUlxQ4vNW34k8mFTojL3B+MmdishgPSJY89AaXMU6M3pq9w== =SG7j -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re: Multiple issues
Hello Miroslav, Sunday, January 22, 2006, 6:54:21 AM, you wrote: Miroslav Hello Robert, Miroslav I use to use the MIT freeware PGP 8.0 But I am having trouble finding it and the bat doesn't support PGP 9.0, not that I want to buy another piece of software. Miroslav http://ftp.muw.edu/Security/PGP/PGP802-PF-W.zip Miroslav http://www.tonitel.com/software/Utilities/PGP_8.10_Personal/PGP810-PF-W.zip Miroslav YES I am having the same problem ever since MIT dropped Their site for the SOFTWARE they developed and PGP took over I can't find the Legacy 8.0 version. PGP Corp. has a link that sayes if you want 8.0 click here and then they try to sell you 9.0 and there is no link any where on their site for 8.0.CAPATILIZIM at workOR greed. What these companies don't realize is that other SW venders are not up to speed with converting their software to the latest and sometime not greatest UPGRADES9.0 offers full disk encryption which I don not want. I had 8.0 until HP support IN INDIA told me to do something to fix my computer and crashed my whole system. I had to do a destructive reboot which wiped out all my previous software...and the Irony is I was in the middle of a backup to save my system files including all installed SW when these IDIOTS who stole our JOBS screwed me and crashed my system. Talk about pissedI know some one at HP and I told him my story so now I got a number so I don't have to deal with Incompetent INDIANS who you can't even understand. I get so Pissed that our jobs go oversees and we get substandard support. I refuse to speak to INDIA ever again. An the women who crashed my system when she realized what she did she HUNG up on me. Believe that Thanks for the reply.. -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Send mails as attachments
Hi all, it is sometimes useful to attach a received mail (as an eml file) to a new mail. Usually I save the received mail on disk (Save As...) then drag and drop the file on the new mail. I then have to delete the file from the disk. Sometimes I also invoke the Alternative Forward menu on the received mail (which creates a new mail with the other one in a file 1.eml), then go into the Outbox to be able to drag and drop the attachment 1.eml to a new mail. I then have to delete the alternative forward mail from the Outbox. Do you know of a better approach to do this? I'd like to be able to drag and drop a mail directly from the message list into the new mail, for instance. -- Best regards, Philippe. Using The Bat! 3.65.03 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can't Authenticate SMTP
If I use OE on a new ISP dialup number, I can set the properties for My Server Requires Authentication ... and I can send email. When I try this with TB! I get an error back from the server that whatever_domain I am sending TO: is not a gateway ... in other words they do not see me as authenticated and thus are blocking port 25 relay's. I have tried every combo of settings covering SMTP in account properties. I put in my email address and account password and still get the following variations on a failure theme. First the TB packet capture then the OE! __TB___ 220 mail.wherever.net (IMail 8.21 2617-12) NT-ESMTP Server X1 EHLO 958.popsite.net 250-mail.wherever.net says hello 250-SIZE 0 250-8BITMIME 250-DSN 250-ETRN 250-AUTH LOGIN 250-AUTH=LOGIN 250-EXPN 250 STARTTLS MAIL FROM:my_account SIZE=554 250 ok RCPT TO:my_gmx.net 550 not local host gmx.net, not a gateway RSET 250 ok its reset RSET 250 ok its reset QUIT 221 Goodbye ___ And Here's one from OE I just now sent to the gmx account 220 mail.wherever.net (IMail 8.21 3037-19) NT-ESMTP Server X1 EHLO localhost 250-mail.wherever.net says hello 250-SIZE 0 250-8BITMIME 250-DSN 250-ETRN 250-AUTH LOGIN 250-AUTH=LOGIN 250-EXPN 250 STARTTLS AUTH LOGIN 334 Stuff 334 More stuff 235 authenticated MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 ok RCPT TO: my_gmx_account.net 250 ok its for my_gmx_account.net DATA 354 ok, send it; end with CRLF.CRLF Message-ID: 000501c6220a$6c126500$01 . and it sends the rest out. __ -- Regards, Robert D. Current beta is 3.70.03 quot;Qigongquot; | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.70.02 Qigong(Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter string question (v2.12)
NOW I just need to know : How do I to tell the selective download filters that any email 1) containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header 2) AND MISSING the correct real name is to be deleted. MM This regular expression... MM (?!correct_real_name) [EMAIL PROTECTED] MM .should detect the said address that is not preceded by MM correct_real_name, but check it, and/or consult others, more MM experienced with regex. MM I am not sure whether the space before the chevron at the beginning of MM the address should be left just as it is or it would have to be denoted MM by some other symbol. MM If this regex above is fully correct, then you would just have to check MM Entire header under Rule tab, then Match any string as a regular MM expression for Detection method, and Kill for Action, under MM Advanced tab. Assuming your regex expression is correct I still do not know what to do with it! Where does it go and under advanced should I check some box other than what is checked by default? ALSO the Correct Real Name has spaces in it. Does this matter? -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. - George S. Patton Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
VF show all NEW mssgs only
Hello Bat-Folk! Is there a way to create a new virtual folder in v2.12 that will hold only UNREAD messages from selected folders? I see how to select folders but not how to only choose UNREAD to include in the new VF. Thanks, team Bat Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Advocacy and belief go hand in hand. For there can be no true freedom of mind if thoughts are secure only when they are pent up. - Justice William O. Douglas Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't Authenticate SMTP
Hallo Robert, On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:08:19 -0500GMT (26-1-2006, 1:08 +0100, where I live), you wrote: RD If I use OE on a new ISP dialup number, I can set the properties for RD My Server Requires Authentication ... and I can send email. RD When I try this with TB! I get an error back from the server that RD whatever_domain I am sending TO: is not a gateway ... in other words RD they do not see me as authenticated and thus are blocking port 25 RD relay's. RD __TB___ RD 250-AUTH LOGIN RD 250-AUTH=LOGIN RD 250-EXPN RD 250 STARTTLS RD MAIL FROM:my_account SIZE=554 RD __OE_ RD 250-AUTH LOGIN RD 250-AUTH=LOGIN RD 250-EXPN RD 250 STARTTLS RD AUTH LOGIN RD 334 Stuff RD 334 More stuff RD 235 authenticated RD MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I can see, you still haven't set TB to authenticate to the server. I'll show you how TB's smtp log looks like with authentication: [00:30:47] S: 250-otten.tv [00:30:47] S: 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 [00:30:47] S: 250 AUTH=LOGIN [00:30:47] C: AUTH CRAM-MD5 [00:30:47] S: 334 blablabla [00:30:47] C: more blabla [00:30:47] S: 235 OK authenticated [00:30:47] C: MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Basically this means that TB is skipping the authentication process at your place. Just to make sure that you've configured that correctly: Account - Properties - Transport Here you see two buttons with 'Authentication' The one on the top belongs to your smtp server. Press this one. The topmost option says: Perform SMTP authentication (RFC2554) check this option It has a sub-option: Same user/password setting as for mail retrieval That should be selected too. The rest should not be selected. As you're using the same version as I do, you should get similar results. -- Groetjes, Roelof Veni, Vidi, Vacate (I came, I saw, I left) The Bat! 3.70.03 Qigong (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpNGFNfcfkX7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: VF show all NEW mssgs only
Hallo rich, On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:50:35 -0500GMT (26-1-2006, 1:50 +0100, where I live), you wrote: RG Is there a way to create a new virtual folder in v2.12 that will RG hold only UNREAD messages from selected folders? Yes RG I see how to select folders but not how to only choose UNREAD to RG include in the new VF. Create a new virtual folder The window you see has two tabs Select the 'filter' tab On the filter tab you select 'fast search' and that will enable you to select 'unread' Just tested it with v 2.12.4 (latest and only v2 downloadable from the Ritlabs site) -- Groetjes, Roelof No one can think clearly with clenched fists. The Bat! 3.70.03 Qigong (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpRw4vGR8jHf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: VF show all NEW mssgs only
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 25 Jan 2006, @ @ at 19:50:35 -0500, when rich gregory wrote: Is there a way to create a new virtual folder in v2.12 that will hold only UNREAD messages from selected folders? I see how to select folders but not how to only choose UNREAD to include in the new VF. Are you sure you want it having already Ctrl+Alt+Tab for selecting the folders with unread mail and Alt+F5 for showing only unread messages in them? - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 512 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ9gtl7SpHvHEUtv8AQPKuQgAm+oD28fm/tDdGKnX2uiAzsrwQfoF4q49 m1uGh3X/sKEak9Sd6hsmu+O3RtAzk7Pd1bUNiRTxelVEcJ0ZyGBnTdmd5gOLK6vi dnNtPQ6eGoEennJgh8DgCt9tw4Hlp58UZcPZTkL6ETSouKao+pWTM2Vn1vGr3hiy Z/jk/SWgOpKIBdaT0jtiAaXcspl9o1RQW2a4KfgGgcVFCEnMj85KW5Z5qTbxbWD8 yJlCMI4VY4Tuaf9peTvO2xbvgh3/X0UZNgn+JD7SpdI0fOJ3/cEtWzcCiUfyzGyS 6q4jlX1kDGKFksRuOPqfWuio/+tX4y28JWhzvLwpzD4q+BTzGEyglA== =b44j -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter string question (v2.12)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 25 Jan 2006, @ @ at 19:44:39 -0500, when rich gregory wrote: NOW I just need to know : How do I to tell the selective download filters that any email 1) containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header 2) AND MISSING the correct real name is to be deleted. MM This regular expression... MM (?!correct_real_name) MM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MM .should detect the said address that is not preceded by MM correct_real_name, but check it, and/or consult others, more MM experienced with regex. MM I am not sure whether the space before the chevron at the beginning of MM the address should be left just as it is or it would have to be denoted MM by some other symbol. MM If this regex above is fully correct, then you would just have to check MM Entire header under Rule tab, then Match any string as a regular MM expression for Detection method, and Kill for Action, under MM Advanced tab. Assuming your regex expression is correct I still do not know what to do with it! Where does it go and under advanced should I check some box other than what is checked by default? It goes in Account | Sorting Office/Filters | Selective Download, then you make a new rule and under tab Rule in Signal strings field you type in the said regex, resolutely and precisely. As to the Advanced tab, for Action you check Kill, and for Detection method you check Match any string as a regular expression. The regex is correct, tested, confirmed, works like most skilled mistress, knowing many charming and even explosive and slapstick tricks, and yet well and wisely educated so you can even talk with her something sensible in pauses. ALSO the Correct Real Name has spaces in it. Does this matter? Nope. It matters not. It accepts the necessary distance between two or more words wishing to be on a distance. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 512 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ If you have to do something boring, do it your way. -- Hammertroll -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ9gsh7SpHvHEUtv8AQNf9ggAqfGwPfcgYaCrG2gSdPYqW+QTK7yRtYaL RU+ssuVB7lmXy8JZRi3IP9bC+4q+bAniK/jztXSJw/b2PvMAwifYCrWJBg2OYcwM 6FFEti+CITiLQUwKOyfj49KYKg7cekHctc8c6rus+F3o+p8nEhs2hJVgN46Qak7b zuQfbEt8SoAWozLRfITxNi6QVg2ihhGhnPEn+x0TsdbDucBm7aZ1of2AfsKn/No1 C6ZQNOXxoXjUAi8L8KaUfVaXJtELWRHAyyCZyUocKp9LNEyotCvfxxMvqVB6t6Dg AwnWuVuxLHe5WobdRZ74RzAbJEqbWD9yEvG8zd0hI8OVlLfrQoUBEQ== =Z4Co -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't Authenticate SMTP
Recently, Roelof Otten opined : As you're using the same version as I do, you should get similar results. OK solved wince when I took a look at what you said about checking box for authenticate same as pop mail inbound, I decided to check the box for Specific Settings. I manually typed in the first part before the @ then typed in a password with THAT email prefix, not what I use for inbound ... there is a reason for this actually, I am using two different domains, one for each, until the ISP switches over to fiber-optics Anyway, NOW it works OK, back to regular work. Thanks for the lessons everyone. -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unable to get verbal feedback on message header prompts while composing a message
Hi all, This message is particularly relevant for screen reader users. I am using Jaws for Windows v7 and Thebat v3.65.03 home adition. I am unable to hear prompts like to, subject while I compose anew message when I tab from field to field. do the follwoing to duplicate this problem. 1. Start Thebat. 2. Choose message then new message. 3. Try tabbing from field to field. No prompt is heard. What am I doing wrong? System configuration OS=Windows 2000 professional all updates applied ram=1GB Screen reader = Jaws for Windows v7 -- Pranav Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relay personality in Thebat
Hi Alexander and all, snip Erm... what is a relay personality? PL] It is a feature of Eudora that allows you to send an email using a different account. Quoting from Eudora's help, The Internet Service Provider (ISP) with whom you have your primary email account may not allow you to send messages through any other Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) server but their own. If you have accounts at other ISPs or third-party email services, you may not be able to send mail from those accounts unless you use your primary ISP's SMTP servers. The SMTP relay feature allows you to send all your mail through your primary ISP's server. A personality is just a term for another account. For example, My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, mydomain.com does not allow me to send email unless I am directly connected to the ISP. So I have a gmail account and setup that account in Eudora. Then, I set [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send email through that account. -- Pranav Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relay personality in Thebat
it] I did not realise that that could be done thanks for the pointer. -- -- Hi Chris, snip What's wrong with setting the outgoing server to GMail's? PL] I did not realise that that could be done. thanks for the pointer. -- Pranav Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relay personality in Thebat
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 at 06:12:16 +0530, Pranav wrote: A personality is just a term for another account. For example, My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, mydomain.com does not allow me to send email unless I am directly connected to the ISP. So I have a gmail account and setup that account in Eudora. Then, I set [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send email through that account. If I understand you right, all you need to do is setup the SMTP server in your account properties. Go to Account Properties - Transport - SMTP server. Of course, if I haven't understood you right, please feel free to ignore this advice! -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.3 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Send mails as attachments
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:31:27 +0100 GMT, Philippe wrote: Hi all, it is sometimes useful to attach a received mail (as an eml file) to a new mail. Usually I save the received mail on disk (Save As...) then drag and drop the file on the new mail. I then have to delete the file from the disk. Sometimes I also invoke the Alternative Forward menu on the received mail (which creates a new mail with the other one in a file 1.eml), then go into the Outbox to be able to drag and drop the attachment 1.eml to a new mail. I then have to delete the alternative forward mail from the Outbox. Do you know of a better approach to do this? I'd like to be able to drag and drop a mail directly from the message list into the new mail, for instance. Try selecting a e-mail and just drag-n-drop it to the e-mail you are editing, works for me. Or maybe I misunderstood your question? ;) -- /Fredrik The Bat! 3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
