Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Thomas, Monday, September 29, 2008, 11:43:42 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:27:41 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 04:27 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: TH My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never TH worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ TH but not so with TB. JSL For what it's worth, I submit #20 contained herein: JSL http://www.emailreplies.com/#9capitals TF These receipt/read confirmations make sense in business, if an agent TF or supplier is not answering their mails. I request the confirmations TF in the reminder. Once I get the reply from their server or client, I TF know that the message was at least received and he has no excuse if he TF didn't actually read it. If I get no confirmation back, I call or fax TF and ask whether my mail is stuck in their spam folder. I've never used receipt/read confirmations so I'm un-familiar with their operation. However, I've always assumed that they required some action on the part of the recipient. But your reply seems to indicate that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible to the recipient. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Jack, On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:10:54 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 21:10 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL I've never used receipt/read confirmations so I'm un-familiar with JSL their operation. However, I've always assumed that they required some JSL action on the part of the recipient. But your reply seems to indicate JSL that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried JSL out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible JSL to the recipient. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote? No, you got it right. These are two different confirmations: 1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of control of the recipient. 2. The read confirmation is sent by the recipient's email client, and the recipient can set his email client to send, not send, or request action by the recipient. -- Cheers, Thomas. Next Sunday a special collection will be taken to defray the cost of the new carpet. All those wishing to do something on the new carpet will come forward and do so. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:27:25 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:10:54 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 21:10 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL I've never used receipt/read confirmations so I'm un-familiar with JSL their operation. However, I've always assumed that they required some JSL action on the part of the recipient. But your reply seems to indicate JSL that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried JSL out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible JSL to the recipient. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote? TF No, you got it right. These are two different confirmations: TF 1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of TF the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of TF control of the recipient. TF 2. The read confirmation is sent by the recipient's email client, and TF the recipient can set his email client to send, not send, or request TF action by the recipient. I love this list. Thanks Thomas. I recently had occasion to wonder if a recipient at least received an email, but not concerned with whether they had read it. I'll try and set up TB! to request receipt confirmations from now on. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, at 21:27:25 [GMT +0700] (which was 16:27 where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote: 1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of control of the recipient. Hi Thomas, If I use this option in what way will I see this confirmation of receiving the message? TIA -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System version 4.0.34.13 on Windows XP SP3 AntispamSniper for the Bat! 3.0.0.9 CSAPI Hunspell spellchecker English Dutch Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail! pgpsvgwhOxsKs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
am Dienstag, 30. September 2008 um 16:10 schrieb Jack S. LaRosa: But your reply seems to indicate that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible to the recipient. Most Servers - in the Meantime - do not or no longer provide this Feature. I always request both Confirmations, but i rarely get a Reading Confirmation - nearly no time i get the Delivery Confirmation. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.0.34.13 AntiSpamSniper 3.0.0.9 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Henk, On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:56:17 +0200 GMT (30/09/2008, 23:56 +0700 GMT), Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: 1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of control of the recipient. HMdB If I use this option in what way will I see this confirmation of HMdB receiving the message? You will receive an email from the server. The text of the email is up to the sysad, but the server software also offers a default text. Example: A message which requested delivery confirmation recently arrived at this server. Note: This Return Receipt only acknowledges that the message was received by the server. There is no guarantee that the content has been read or understood. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP rejected? Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:59:14 +0700 Message Recipient: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This was for a message I sent to our sysad's hotmail address with a cc copy to his company address. The receipt confirmation came from the company's server, using his email address @example.co.th as sender. Hotmail's server did not acknowlege receipt. -- Cheers, Thomas. In an office: WOULD THE PERSON WHO TOOK THE STEP LADDER YESTERDAY PLEASE BRING IT BACK OR FURTHER STEPS WILL BE TAKEN. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Jack, On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:20:27 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 22:20 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL Thanks Thomas. I recently had occasion to wonder if a recipient at JSL least received an email, but not concerned with whether they had read JSL it. I'll try and set up TB! to request receipt confirmations from now JSL on. Use with care. It is annoying if I get a pop-up for each message from a certain customer. It would be better to use it only when necessary, for example when sending a reminder. -- Cheers, Thomas. Man: Is this seat empty? Woman: Yes, and this one will be if you sit down. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, at 07:09:36 [GMT +0700] (which was 2:09 where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote: You will receive an email from the server. The text of the email is up to the sysad, but the server software also offers a default text. Thanks Thomas, it is crystal clear now :-) -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System version 4.0.34.13 on Windows XP SP3 AntispamSniper for the Bat! 3.0.1.2 CSAPI Hunspell spellchecker English Dutch Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail! pgp1z7qAymI4V.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
