Re: Fonts et al
Hello Bill,
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:56:50 -0700 GMT (01-May-13, 06:56 +0700 GMT),
Bill McQuillan wrote:
BM> On Tue, 2013-04-30, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
>> And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message:
>> Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because
>> I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example
>> tables.
BM> OK, this is going to get nitpicky and techy!
Indeed it is, but very educational nevertheless.
BM> A "typeface" is [...]
BM> Technically, a "font" is [...]
BM> What gets sent with an HTML email is a font "description" for each
BM> particular string of characters (font names, size, weight, color, etc).
BM> Note that "font names" is a list of names in order to try on the
BM> receiving end. For example ("Arial", "Helvetica", "san serife")
BM> This means: use Arial if you've got it, otherwise use Helvetica,
BM> or as a last resort use your default san serife font).
BM> In any case once an acceptable font has been found, the size,
BM> weight, color, etc. are then applied.
OK, so what happens if the HTML message describes Comic Sans Serife,
and I don't have that on my computer? Does Windows - or TB! - show a
default font?
--
Cheers,
Thomas.
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Re: Fonts et al
On Tue, 2013-04-30, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message:
> Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because
> I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example
> tables.
OK, this is going to get nitpicky and techy!
A "typeface" is a description of the relative shapes of the
characters, like "Arial", "Comic Sans MS", or "Times New Roman".
These can take huge files of pseudo-code to specify. They are not
usually sent with an HTML message.
Technically, a "font" is when the typeface is further
constrained by size (e.g., 12 point), weight (regular, bold),
color and sometimes other attributes (e.g., strikethru).
What gets sent with an HTML email is a font "description" for each
particular string of characters (font names, size, weight, color, etc).
Note that "font names" is a list of names in order to try on the
receiving end. For example ("Arial", "Helvetica", "san serife")
This means: use Arial if you've got it, otherwise use Helvetica,
or as a last resort use your default san serife font).
In any case once an acceptable font has been found, the size,
weight, color, etc. are then applied.
Hope this helps.
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Bill McQuillan
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Re: Fonts et al
Hallo Jack, On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:14:01 -0500GMT (30-4-2013, 16:14 , where I live), you wrote: RO>> The address book template for new messages will only be used when you RO>> first select the receipient and afterwards start typing the message. RO>> When first typing (part of) the message and then setting ther RO>> recipient, the AB template won't be used. JSL> I'm confused Roelof. The first part of the above paragraph tells me (I think) JSL> that if I open the AB, select (highlight) a recipient and then click the "Create JSL> a new message" icon, the AB template WILL be used, assuming the "Use a specific JSL> template for new messages" box is ticked. But that method doesn't seem to work JSL> for me. I decided to test your settings, so I set the default editor to HTML only and afterwards to HTML with alternative plain text. And behold, the behaviour you were describing took place. New messages to tbudl were in HTML even though replies were in plain text. Upon closer inspection it appeared that my reply-template included the macro %SetEditor="1"%- where my new message template didn't. (It hadn't been necessary in all those years as plain text was my default) So that was the reason I got HTML messages, not that the template wasn't used, but it didn't contain all the proper ingredients. In my previous post I forgot a reason that might stop the use of defined address book templates. When you've got multiple address book entries with the same address then the templates won't be used as expected. So you might check for multiple entries for tbudl. -- Groetjes, Roelof C:MODERATOR.EXE \EXPLOSIVE.FUSE \RUNFAST.FAR http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.3.8.8 (BETA) Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello Thomas, On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 you wrote: TF> Hello Jack, TF> Monday, April 29, 2013, 11:23:49 PM, you wrote: JSL>> If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel JSL>> with the message? In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in JSL>> composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their JSL>> computer? TF> Unfortunately, yes. Font, size and colour will be transmitted along TF> with formatting, such as bold, underline, itlaics etc. This is one of TF> the "beautiful" features of HTML email. Some people want this, for TF> reasons that I don't know. But hey, this is a free country/internet. TF> I just had to ask a customer (!) to use a more sensible font, because TF> her new choice made it almost impossible for me (not the youngest any TF> more) to read her emails. She apologized and changed back to the font TF> she had used in previous emails, so there is no problem any more. TF> Other business contacts just post their holidays in another font than TF> the text, i.e. make it bold, two sizes bigger, and red. This all TF> arrives as intended (but not appreciated by me) over here. TF> And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message: TF> Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because TF> I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example TF> tables. Hmmm, interesting. I was going to try some experiments to see if in fact the font traveled with the message but I find that I can no longer call up this particular font. It was available yesterday while composing an HTML message but today cannot be seen in TB!'s font selection pull-down when composing HTML. A check of START ► CONTROL PANEL ► FONTS shows that it still exists in my computer's font folder yet it won't even show up when using MS Word. Very strange. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello Jack, Monday, April 29, 2013, 11:23:49 PM, you wrote: JSL> If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel JSL> with the message? In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in JSL> composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their JSL> computer? Unfortunately, yes. Font, size and colour will be transmitted along with formatting, such as bold, underline, itlaics etc. This is one of the "beautiful" features of HTML email. Some people want this, for reasons that I don't know. But hey, this is a free country/internet. I just had to ask a customer (!) to use a more sensible font, because her new choice made it almost impossible for me (not the youngest any more) to read her emails. She apologized and changed back to the font she had used in previous emails, so there is no problem any more. Other business contacts just post their holidays in another font than the text, i.e. make it bold, two sizes bigger, and red. This all arrives as intended (but not appreciated by me) over here. And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message: Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example tables. -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 you wrote: RO> Hallo Jack, RO> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:23:49 -0500GMT (29-4-2013, 18:23 , where I RO> live), you wrote: JSL>> If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel JSL>> with the message? RO> No. JSL>> In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in JSL>> composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their JSL>> computer? RO> In order to do that, you'd need the font to be attached to the message RO> and on receipt to be installed on the receiving computer. HTML doesn't RO> support that kind of actions. Apart from that think of the safety RO> risks that that would bring. JSL>> In another vein, it appears that TB! is the only recipient I write to which JSL>> won't accept anything *not* written in plain text. Can I set the editor to JSL>> always use HTML but restrict message to TB! to always be in plain text? In my JSL>> AB I have the TB! "new message" template set to plain text and the "Use a JSL>> specific template for new messages" box is ticked but when the editor is set to JSL>> HTML in OPTIONS-PREFERENCES, it overrides the "new message" template in TB!. RO> The address book template for new messages will only be used when you RO> first select the receipient and afterwards start typing the message. RO> When first typing (part of) the message and then setting ther RO> recipient, the AB template won't be used. I'm confused Roelof. The first part of the above paragraph tells me (I think) that if I open the AB, select (highlight) a recipient and then click the "Create a new message" icon, the AB template WILL be used, assuming the "Use a specific template for new messages" box is ticked. But that method doesn't seem to work for me. If I have the editor set to always use HTML (OPTIONS►PREFERENCES►VIEWER/EDITOR►Default editor for text►HTML only) then even when I use the above method to start a message to TBUDL, it defaults to HTML. What am I missing? -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
