Re: Unable to contact RitLabs
Hello, > it says an account exists with that e-mail address That account was disabled, that's why you couldn't sign in or reset the password. We have just re-activated it. Please try to sign in/reset the password now. And you can always contact us via email: https://www.ritlabs.com/en/about/contacts.php -- Alexander Petrari Ritlabs, SRL str. București, nr. 67 MD-2012, Chişinău Republic of Moldova Ph: +37322 808404 Fax: +37322 808405 Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ritlabs Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ritlabs Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Password recovery
Hello, TF> However, the correct password is stored in TB!, as I can still check TF> and send emails. How can I find the password for that account? SC>> Enable logging. Account/Properties/Transport/Protocol logging Most likely the password in the SMTP.log will be encoded. While it's still possible to decode it, there is an easier solution - a utility to read the password from the Account.CFN file. Drop me a message if you need it. -- Alexander Petrari Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade Policy
Hello, You wrote: PM> Given that TB is current on 8.6.x it looks like v9 is around the corner, so PM> it seems incredibly bad value if I buy now and I am no longer entitled to PM> upgrades after v9 is released. I could be misreading the policy. We release major The Bat! versions approximately every 12-24 months regardless of the sub-version number. The currently sold licenses for v8 will not be accepted by v9 when it is released. For the past versions we did post announcements on the start of selling licenses for the next major version. Currently we are still working on v8. -- Alexander Petrari Ritlabs, SRL str. Mihai Eminescu, nr. 42 MD-2012, Chisinau Republic of Moldova Ph: +37322 808404 Fax: +37322 808405 Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ritlabs Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ritlabs Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing problem
Hello, friends. Harald Faber (HF) 22.04.2010 (14:43): HF since several versions I suffer from HF a strange behaviour concerning printing. HF I can only print once. HF If I try it for another time, nothing happens. HF Not even the print dialog opens. HF I always have to restart TheBat. Printing works just fine in my 4.2.33.9. -- Alexander Gutman Using The Bat! v4.2.33.9 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Using folder properties in filters and templates
Hello, friends. I have got lots of folders and reorganize them often. Whenever a new penpal (P) occurs, I usually create a folder (PF) for storing the related communication. Since I want the incoming/outgoing messages be stored in PF automatically, I usually create the corresponding pair of filters which move incoming/outgoing messages to PF according to Sender/Recipient. What I am dreaming of is automating the filtering and making it as easy as entering P's address (or two) somewhere in PF's properties (e.g., in PF's memo). If folder memos were searchable via macros, I could create a single pair of filters with condition like Some folder's memo contains 'addr%Sender/%Recipient/addr' and action like Move to the folder %FirstFolderWhoseMemoContains='addr%Sender/%Recipient/addr' or something similar. I do understand that the above is realizable via AB with some clever macros/regexps but I cannot use fixed folder paths in AB, since my folders are permanently reorganized. In addition, I would like to use PF's properties (rather than AB) for specifying additional info on P (such as greetings, etc.) for using in message templates, but I am not aware of macros which can help me. Currently I enter P's info in PF's templates, but this leads to unpleasant duplicating the info needed for New Message and Reply templates. Again, I could store the corresponding info in PF's memo, but it is useless without a %FolderMemo macro. Any ideas? -- Alexander Gutman Using The Bat! v4.2.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! focus not recognised by Windows taskbar
Hello, friends. Nick Dutton (ND) 27.01.2009 (22:39): ND If I try to move focus to TheBat from another application ND by any means other than clicking on the taskbar icon, ND TheBat becomes the active application ND (taking keyboard input etc) ND but this is not reflected in the taskbar icon status. Confirmed. Steps To Reproduce: 1. Open the main The Bat! window. 2. Open any separate window (for instance, Sorting Office, Address Book, etc.) 3. Close the separate window. 4. Result: the main The Bat! window is active but its taskbar icon is inverted (its style is 3D-outset rather than 3D-inset). -- Alexander Gutman Using The Bat! v4.1.11 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Window Focus Bug (Long, ATTN: Ritlabs, Thomas Fernandez, PowerPro users)
Hello there, On 29/9/07 I sent an e-mail to this list titled weird focus issue. This issue first appeared for me in TB 3.99.24 and made me roll back. Back then, I got a confirmation from Thomas Fernandez that this issue is experienced by some users and gave me some guidelines which do not seem to work for me. I decided to test the new 4.0.x version hoping that this has been fixed. Unfortunately it hasn't, although I now seem to have more data about the problem and I hope someone can fix it because it really makes the program unusable for me (I'll probably need to roll back again). First of all, what I notice in some systems is that when we place the mouse over the minimize/maximize/close buttons of TB's main window, the buttons get highlighted only for a split second. This is not standard window behavior (it should remain highlighted as long as the mouse is over it). I don't know if this is somehow related to the problem. The problem's description is as follows. I click on the tray icon to activate the main window. However, the window of TB! acts like if it is inactive (grayed out like when you bring a window on top of it). Clicking on it doesn't solve anything, the window stays inactive. No mouse clicks allowed inside it. It cannot be closed, minimized or resized and the only choice I have is to close TB! from its tray icon. Now, the clue is that so far this behavior occurs only when I try to activate TB! from a PowerPro tray icon. I did an install in a clean system and successfully replicated the issue. I give you the exact guidelines. - Setup a Windows XP machine with SP2 - Install TB! - in TB, in Options - Preferences - General check the following options: Always show icon in the System Tray Minimise to the System Tray Minimise on Pressing 'Close Button - go to http://www.ppro.org/ and download PowerPro - Install PowerPro - Run pproconf, go to Setup tab, and click button install tray support - Restart computer - Run pproconf, go to command lists tab, click new list button - Give a list name and tick the Show this list as bar when powerpro starts checkbox - Press the Properties button. You can change the position of the bar in the Position field to suit your preference. - Go to active buttons tab and add 10 to the show up to this number of buttons... field - Uncheck Show buttons for active windows - Check show buttons for tray icons - Press OK and OK to exit Now you should have a bar which shows exactly what the system tray does. Just use that bar instead of the system tray to reproduce the issue (close TB! and try to restore it from there). With that said, I don't consider this as a PowerPro problem because TB is the only program that demonstrates that behavior. As I understand, there are some people experiencing this thing randomly. Do you perhaps use PowerPro or some other launcher? Perhaps a system tray replacement? Anything else that has to do with the system tray or window manipulation? Macro programs? In order to get rid of this, I am willing to help the developers test if they want to send me test builds of the program. If I must report this issue to the bug tracker, please tell me where I find it. -- Best Regards, Alex Cicovic Using The Bat! 4.0.14 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Window Focus Bug (Long, ATTN: Ritlabs, Thomas Fernandez, PowerPro users)
Hello there, Wednesday, February 13, 2008, 6:17:53 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF I believe this refers to TF http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3357 I skimmed through this and think I should probably file another report. I have no dial up and what happens isn't connected to receiving mail or the connection center. Though they seem to have the same effect... -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic http://www.alexcicovic.com/ Using The Bat! 4.0.14 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.99.24 - Weird focus issue
Hello there, Saturday, September 22, 2007, 12:10:33 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Instead of closing from there, click once on the inactive TB! window TF (so that Windows knows which program you mean) and hit crtl-F4 once. TF Let us know whether TB! suddenly becomes focussed. Thomas, Unfortunately when I received your message I had already downgraded. Before downgrading I performed a clean install of 3.99.24 (which demonstrated the defective behavior immediately, thus the downgrade). If I reupgrade at some point, I will follow your guidelines. TF On occasions, what you describe happens over here too (single TF monitor), but only upon startup. I'm using 3.99.3 but it has happened TF for several versions. Only very few people can confirm it. For me, downgrading to 3.99.3 seems to solve the problem completely. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
3.99.24 - Downgrading to 3.99.3
Hello there, Has anyone downgraded successfully from 3.99.24 to 3.99.3? Any known problems or extra precautions I should take? (besides data backup) -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic http://www.alexcicovic.com/ Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.99.24 - Weird focus issue
Hello there, Friday, September 21, 2007, 10:23:47 PM, Marten Gallagher wrote: MG I have a dual-display and sue Ultramon but cannot say I've experienced MG behaviour that sounds like that. Thanks Marten. I've been trying to nail what causes this but to no avail. Some times, The Bat! exhibits that behavior even in the first second of startup. Since its the only application that behaves that way, I'll probably downgrade because it is becoming increasingly difficult and annoying to do my job. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
3.99.24 - Weird focus issue
Hi there, From the day I upgraded to 3.99.24 I get a strange issue (happens several times a day). Suddenly the window of The Bat! acts like if it is inactive (like when you bring a window on top of it). Clicking on it doesn't solve anything, the window wants to be inactive and that's it. No mouse clicks allowed inside it. It cannot be closed, minimized or moved and the only choice I have is to close The Bat! from its tray icon. I have not found any consistent way to replicate the issue (perhaps because it hasn't driven me nuts - yet). This is purely a window behavior because The Bat! isn't really frozen (it responds and closes normally from the tray icon). I will keep this thread updated if I have any new details. I suspect it could be related to the dual display update thingy. For example, does the program use any weird window hooks that could interfere with utilities like UltraMon? For the record, I do have dual display but I never use The Bat! that way and this has happened even when the second display was completely off. Is this something anyone else has experienced? -- Best Regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate messages
Hello Richard Wakeford everyone else, on 13-Jan-2007 at 23:11 you (Richard Wakeford) wrote: Since yesterday I have started getting duplicate mail. [...] Are you sure that all of the new messages are downloaded correctly before the transfer ends? I could imagine that a transfer is interrupted and TB fails to update its index of already downloaded messages. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Air Song (8 AM Version) by Solar Fields from the 2005 release Extended http://www.discogs.com/release/532106 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! User Documentation Project (TBUDL)
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 14-Jan-2007 at 15:04 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: ASK I just remembered it myself today and started to add some articles. ;-) I'm sure you noticed that the link I recommended to Mike in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] was one that you had written. I'm pleased to hear that you've returned to adding articles there because your explanations of things are often quite helpful. Thank you. Here's a request: if something in an article on the Wiki is not correct, or not sufficient enough - correct the article, or create links to articles with further explanations, in other words: take the freedom to *change* the existing article. Don't add notes and discussion to it. *Change* the article and make it better and more precise. Thats how a Wiki is supposed to work. :-) The answers we exchange with each other on these lists, here and on TBBETA, can serve as fodder for those updates. For instance, I think Miguel's idea about how to set up an automated, password-protected archive of The Bat! in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] warrants inclusion there. How to customize a toolbar also comes to mind as an example. Both would be good additions, indeed! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Beyond Beta by Craig Padilla from the 2000 compilation Fahrenheit Project 1 http://www.discogs.com/release/116293 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! User Documentation Project (TBUDL)
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 14-Jan-2007 at 16:10 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: I notice that both you and I are logged into the Wiki at the moment. I've tried opening the Chat but I see no way to invite someone else who is logged in into that Chat. Any suggestions? I have no idea. I never tried the chat feature, either. Also the top level of the Wiki (i.e., Home) seems to be locked. Yes, only Leif can unlock and change it. Are you listening, Leif? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) History is more or less bunk. -- Henry Ford Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Templates for a Beginner
Hello Mike Greenbaum everyone else, on 13-Jan-2007 at 17:49 you (Mike Greenbaum) wrote: I found the following in an article by Gerd Ewald and edited by Marck D. Pearlstone on How to Use Regular Expressions: Regular Expressions can be used in templates, but you don't need knowledge about RegExp to use templates and benefit from them. For example, is it possible to create a new message or a reply and have it show one of three different email account addresses in the FROM line dependent upon the person to whom it is going without my having to remember to change the FROM line? Piece of cake. :-) One possible solution would be to move your contacts into three different address book groups, and set up individual templates for these three groups where you add a %ACCOUNT and/or %FROM macro to set the correct account/from address. For example, my emails to this mailing list often get rejected the first time because I forget to change the FROM line from my default business address to the personal address I registered here with. :) That can be solved just the same as above - for example, I have address book entries for the mailinglists I'm subscribed to, and I'm using individual templates for each mailinglist. A direction to resources which might help me do this, if it's possible, would be appreciated. You might want to check the template library on Marck's website. Some of the templates there are quite complicated, but you can learn from them nevertheless. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php Another good starting point is the helpfile - just search for Macros and look at the full alphabetic list of macros. You get an idea about the variables and commands that you can use that way. And last not least, the TBUDP wiki http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp has compact information about the template/macro system as well: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Templates -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Finagle's Fourth Law: Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it only makes it worse. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Templates for a Beginner
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 13-Jan-2007 at 18:09 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Addressbook+templates And while I'm mentioning this site, I'll use my response to you to ask the group as a whole, Is anyone still working on this site? I just remembered it myself today and started to add some articles. ;-) Having users collaborate on documentation seemed like a good idea when it was first proposed back in 2004, but I'm not sure whether anyone still remembers it is there. There should be more activity on the wiki, there's no question about it. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Tomorrow a stranger will say with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought and felt all the time, and we shall be forced to take with shame our own opinion from another. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Server/Client mode in small network
Rob Brook wrote: Any help would be most appreciated, as email is vital for our business, and any irregularities in our messages is very harmful for us. In the long run it might be best to switch to a real email server software, like Mercury/32 or BatPost. Just my 2c. :-) -- Greetings, Alexander. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cannot send attachments
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 16:28 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: M roeloff otto Ouch! That hurts. Perhaps there should be a mod template for that. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Everybody is talking about the weather but nobody does anything about it. -- Mark Twain Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Antispam plugin
Hello Richard Wakeford everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 09:57 you (Richard Wakeford) wrote: I have a fairly extensive friends list which I imported from SpamPal which I used before this programme. I also have a good blackword list. Just a question, not directly to you, but isn't importing friendslists into the antispam program quite redundant when you also have an adress book in TB? I just thought that it might be nice if an antispam plugin could access the AB and automatically whitelist the contacts. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The known is finite, the unknown infinite. Intellectually, one could stand on an islet in the midst of an illimitable ocean of inexplicability. Our business in every generation is to reclaim a little more land, to add to the extent and solidity of our possessions. -- Thomas Henry Huxley Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello MAU everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 14:34 you (MAU) wrote: If by this you mean including messages from the message list as attachment of a new message or a reply, I do this quite frequently (and tested just now) and I had no problem. The way I do it is: select a message on the list pane, drag it out of the list pane, Alt+TAB to change to Editor window and drop it there. Ah, so thats how it works. I always wondered. I dragged the message from the msglist to the button of TBs editor on the windows taskbar, but unlike most other programs, it would not come to front after a second or so of waiting. Maybe I should file that as a wish? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I don't believe in God, because I don't believe in Mother Goose. -- Clarence Darrow Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello MAU everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 20:04 you (MAU) wrote: Maybe I should file that as a wish? :-) Do, but it may be a Windows issue, not TB's. I'm using this all the time at work with Outlook, which is what made me think it must be a TB issue. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) ...The first thing that must be asked about future man is whether he will be alive, and will know how to keep alive, and not whether it is a good thing that he should be alive. -- Charles Galton Darwin Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 19:05 you (Mary Bull) wrote: Alex, do you have any idea why the thing worked flawlessly for me on Jan. 3, and now, since Jan. 4, it gives me these consistent Access Violation error boxes and freezes TB!? I have no idea. I'm not using IE and haven't bothered to update to v7. :-) But AV's sound like a TB bug to me. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder list corrupted
Hello Pat J everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 21:31 you (Pat J) wrote: I recently updated to TB! Christmas edition. Now the folder list is corrupted; i.e. the Unread and Total information is missing in all but a few cases, and none of the folders are in bold (indicating unread emails) until they are highlighted and even then do not necessarily show Unread and Total numbers. Sounds like quite some problems... :-( I wonder how that could happen. Maybe try this: Quit TB. Try to locate one of the folders that shows no message counter on your harddisk. Copy the contents to somewhere else with Explorer (manual backup, to say so). Then, delete the .TBI file in the folder. Its the index file for the message in the folder - when you remove it you won't lose any messages *but* if you have added notes to messages they will be gone. Restart TB - the program will re-build the index file from scratch now (which may take a couple of seconds). If the folder shows a message counter now, the index file was corrupted, and all should be well now. Next thing you should try is the majic keyboard shortcut to search for lost folders - unfortunately, I forgot the shortcut! :-) Someone else has to tell you. When you've got all your folders back, repeat the above steps to let TB re-build the index files from scratch for the folders that show no message counters. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: No Answer by Solar Fields from the 2005 release Extended Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to create a User Group inbox
Hello Elodie Trouche-Perrin everyone else, on 03-Jan-2007 at 16:25 you (Elodie Trouche-Perrin) wrote: Could you tell me how to set up an INBOX only for emails coming from the BAT! user group so it doesn't mix with my regular inbox You need to create a filter for that. - right click on any list message. - from the popup menu select Specials / Create Filter A small window will open. - give the filter a reasonable name (ie. TBUDL) - in the detect by area, check the box next to Recipient: (it should read tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) - in the move to folder box, type a name for the folder (the folder must not exist, it will automatically be created) - click OK To move all the existing messages to your newly created folder (and to test if the filter you just created really works), select the Folder menu when you're in your normal Inbox, and pick the Re-Filter entry. The message that are sent to the list should be moved to the folder you specified above now. HTH -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Parsifal -- the kind of opera that starts at six o'clock and after it has been going three hours, you look at your watch and it says 6:20. -- David Randolph Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about Voyager
Hello Mike Greenbaum everyone else, on 03-Jan-2007 at 06:34 you (Mike Greenbaum) wrote: I'm a bit puzzled about Voyager. Does one buy it separately or does it come automatically with The Bat! Professional? Its a part of the Pro license. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I'm just a collection of mirrors, reflecting what everyone else expects of me. -- Rollo May Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organization header line
Hello rich gregory everyone else, on 31-Dez-2006 at 18:27 you (rich gregory) wrote: I am using TB! 2.12 and in OPTIONS PREFERENCES MESSAGE HEADERS I do not see a way for me to edit that! Account / Properties / General... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: In The Sky by Mystical Sun from the 2000 compilation Fahrenheit Project 1 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Richard H. Stoddard everyone else, on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:19 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote: K9 has proved to be remarkably accurate (99.6% typically, with only a false positive every few months) Are you sure it is a false positive, ie. a legitimate message being falsely classified as spam? I'm only asking because I'm using K9 for years (at least it feels like that, I've been using it on my old Windows installation, and now on this one, which will probably be the last, anyway:-) and never ever had a false positive. Excerpt from my K9 statistics: Column 1: Since Mi Mrz 08 2006 06:57:27 (296 days) Column 2: Since Mo Jun 05 2006 10:32:59 (207 days) Number of emails re-classified to Good 0 0 Number of emails re-classified to Spam6356 Percent misidentified as Spam (false positives)0.00% 0.00% Percent misidentified as Good (false negatives)0.34% 0.45% 99.66%99.55% -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) In a way, science must be described as paranoid thinking applied to nature: we are looking for natural conspiracies, for connections among apparently disparate data. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:53 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: G K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? So what? It works very well. I just wanted to say the same. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) You cannot kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book: 2 e-mail addresses
Hello Peter Kerekes everyone else, on 27-Dez-2006 at 21:39 you (Peter Kerekes) wrote: Currently the only way I know: go to the address book, to her address, copy and paste the second address to the Mail Message To: line. I would be surprised if there wouldn't be a simpler way, such as a key to change the address. Open the AB. Locate the entry, right click, select New Message To and select the correct address from the submenu. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) If a table moves when noone is touching it, this is not obviously more likely to have been effected by my deceased grandfather than by myself. We cannot tell how I could move it, but then we cannot tell how he could move it either. -- F. W. H. Myers Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book: 2 e-mail addresses
Hello ...in addition to my previous message... on 28-Dez-2006 at 17:20 you (Alexander S. Kunz) wrote: Open the AB. Locate the entry, right click, select New Message To and select the correct address from the submenu. Same in the AB when you open it from the new message window, except that the menu item is called Add Address... there. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) There was never an idea started that woke men out of their stupid indifference but its originator was spoken of as a crank. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hello Kitty everyone else, on 28-Dez-2006 at 18:53 you (Kitty) wrote: Am I missing something? Is there a better way to do this (i.e. faster?) Press the ALT key and keep it pressed, then you can use drag drop for the filters (just like in the folder tree). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) In the words of Ralph Waldo Emerson: `Nothing is rich but the inexhaustible wealth of nature.' Given the way we've treated her, it seems to me that she's on the verge of bankruptcy. -- Todd H. Knight Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book: 2 e-mail addresses
Hello Peter Kerekes everyone else, on 28-Dez-2006 at 19:46 you (Peter Kerekes) wrote: Open the AB. Locate the entry, right click, select New Message To and select the correct address from the submenu. Alexander Same in the AB when you open it from the new message window, Alexander except that the menu item is called Add Address... there. I can see there: Add Secondary Addresses to Bcc. But I don't want to sent this mail to the 'primary address' at all. The seondary address should be the To: Select the address and make a *RIGHT* click on it... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Nothing in life is to be feared. It is to be understood. -- Marie Curie Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vista RTM
Hello Jernej Simonci?? everyone else, on 27-Dez-2006 at 13:08 you (Jernej Simonci??) wrote: When you disable menu fade-in, things are faster, because in the time Windows normally uses to slowly fade in the menu, I can already navigate 1 or 2 levels deeper. It's similar with sliding combo and list boxes. *You* can do things faster. But the computer isn't faster. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) If swimming is so good for your figure, how do you explain whales? Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager usage problems
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] everyone else, on 25-Dez-2006 at 19:28 you ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm using Voyager up at my Dad's house and am having problems. Whatever I set I can't send, only receive. I have to send via Mail2web. My Dad's PC has McAfee security centre and he gets the following message now when he tries to use Outlook Express for his messages: The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'localhost', Server: '127.0.0.1', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E I'm a little bit confused, you seem to describe two different problems... 1. you can't send with Voyager and 2. your dad can't connect using OE. Is that correct? I've had a look at the McAfee centre but can't adjust the settings for SpamKiller which is, according to various mailing lists, the trouble maker. Anyone know a solution? If the McAfee spam killer works as a local proxy and automatically adjusts the configuration, the entries in OE would be correct (using localhost as the server). You could try to use the real server addresses for POP3 access to your dads email account and enter them in OE. As it looks now, the McAfee spam filter is not working, and OE can't connect to the local proxy. Regarding the unability for you to send messages with Voyager, there could be different causes for that: a) the personal firewall (McAfee it seems) is set to something like high security and blocks every SMTP connection attempt to outside hosts that are not explicitely configured as allowed - you have to check the configuration of the McAfee firewall in that case b) the provider of your dad blocks SMTP connections to foreign SMTP servers and people must relay all messages thru their own SMTP server (you can't do anything about that) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The struggle for knowledge has a pleasure in it like that of wrestling with a fine woman. -- Lord Halifax Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weird addressbook problem
Hello Barry everyone else, on 26-Dez-2006 at 11:58 you (Barry) wrote: I take it that this causes problems in TB!? Depends on what you're doing. If you're using two different templates for the boss and the secretary, yes. How should TB determine which email address belongs to whom when you're just using the mail address? So perhaps this is a shortcoming of TB!? Partly. TB should maybe use a contact based address book, and not an email address based address book. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Schöneberg (Original Marmion Mix) by Marmion Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vista RTM
Hello Tony everyone else, on 26-Dez-2006 at 14:43 you (Tony) wrote: Disabling the eye-candy is the 1st thing I do for sure. I don't know about Vista, but dis/-enabling eye candy in XP has no effect on the performance. When you disable menu fading and menu delay, window zooming etc. things may feel snappier - but that has nothing to do with the performance. Themes and font smoothing have no measurable impact on the performance. Same goes for TB - if you're using the default Windows theme or any of the built-in themes doesn't make a difference either. Everything is a theme somehow... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) But what ... is it good for? -- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default browser options
Hello Graham Smith everyone else, on 24-Dez-2006 at 13:16 you (Graham Smith) wrote: How do I get The Bat to open HTML mail messages in Firefox. I assumed this would be in the preferences somewhere, but cannot find it. Its a system setting, not a TB setting. Open Explorer. Select the Tools menu, Folder Options. On the File Types tab locate HTML and associate FF with it. Normally, FF does that when you make it the default browser on your system. Maybe you should also check your FF installation. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Psychiatrists say that 1 of 4 people are mentally ill. Check 3 friends. If they're OK, you're it. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default browser options
Hello Graham Smith everyone else, on 24-Dez-2006 at 13:54 you (Graham Smith) wrote: I have just checked this and indeed it was set to use MSIE. As I said clicking on HTML links inside an email opened Firefox, and as clicking URLs elsewhere opened Firefox, I had assumed the system settings were set up for Firefox. There is one setting for the filetype HTML, and another one for the protocol HTTP/HTTPS (with the file extension of (none) in the Folder Options). Normally, FF does that when you make it the default browser on your system. Maybe you should also check your FF installation. Not sure what I should be checking in the FF installation. Enable FF to check if it is the default browser. Set the default browser (in Control Panel / Internet) to something else but FF (MSIE) and apply the setting. Close the Internet properties and start FF. It should show you the dialog that it is not the default browser. When you make FF the default browser again it should change all the Folder/Filetype options to FF as well. Any way it now seems fixed, thanks. You're welcome. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Parson's Law of Passports: No one is as ugly as their passport photo. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB erroneously checks mail at startup
Hello Robin Anson everyone else, on 23-Dez-2006 at 10:34 you (Robin Anson) wrote: Does anyone else experience this? That doesn't happen here. I am using a periodic check for my two accounts, but TB does not automatically check them on startup (the checkbox is not ticked). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -- Sherlock Holmes, in the Sign of the Four Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vista RTM
Hello Chris W. everyone else, on 22-Dez-2006 at 00:25 you (Chris W.) wrote: I don't see a major breakthru for 64bit desktop systems yet. Except that they're here. I think it was this year that for the first time more LCD TVs have been sold than CRT TVs. Thats a major breakthru. But how many desktop computers in the world are running a 64bit OS on 64bit hardware? Having an Athlon64 and running Windows-i386 (and *that* combination is the majority today) doesn't count as 64bit system. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception. (Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vista RTM
Hello Stephane Bouvard (ML) everyone else, on 21-Dez-2006 at 14:01 you (Stephane Bouvard (ML)) wrote: Why do you need a 64bit version? Because it should be much optimised with a 64 bits OS and hardware. An interesting theory. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Why are our days numbered and not, say lettered. -- Woody Allen Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vista RTM
Hello Stephane Bouvard (ML) everyone else, on 21-Dez-2006 at 21:22 you (Stephane Bouvard (ML)) wrote: The question is not why ...but when. I don't see a major breakthru for 64bit desktop systems yet. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) de la Lastra's Law: After the last of 16 mounting screws has been removed from an access cover, it will be discovered that the wrong access cover has been removed. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! still has negative image
Hello Urban everyone else, on 14-Dez-2006 at 22:41 you (Urban) wrote: If you buy a product and find out it doesn't work according to the specs, the maker either gives your money back or solves the issue for you. That is another assumption, but it does not apply to the majority of software licenses that I know of. The license (at least Pro), second paragraph, also says | Registration gives you the right to use the program after the 30-day | trial period, receive technical support and use features available | only for registered users. What does technical support mean here? Its not defined. Thats just like the wonderful support contracts that state a response time of four hours. People are always deluded by that. A response is an answer from a supporter - but not a solution. Technical support as mentioned in the TB license could mean an answer like this can't be fixed or this won't be fixed, and thats it. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Man is still the best computer that we can put aboard a spacecraft - and the only one that can be mass-produced with unskilled labor. -- Wernher von Braun Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! still has negative image
Hello Akebono Translation Service everyone else, on 14-Dez-2006 at 00:54 you (Akebono Translation Service) wrote: (my request has been waiting for 5 days without any boo or bah - which I find unacceptable considering I've paid for this thing) I think you should keep support and license apart. AFAIK you don't pay for Ritlabs support, but for the program license? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I have a spiritual suitcase and I know where I'm going. -- Ethel Waters Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! still has negative image
Hello Akebono Translation Service everyone else, on 14-Dez-2006 at 18:20 you (Akebono Translation Service) wrote: I think you should keep support and license apart. AFAIK you don't pay for Ritlabs support, but for the program license? I strongly disagree. That may very well be, but in that case you shouldn't have agreed to the license when you installed The Bat (or any other program). People buy software assuming that the maker will help them whenever the software does not do what is stated in the software specifications. But reality is very different from assumptions that people make when they buy something. If you buy a product and find out it doesn't work according to the specs, the maker either gives your money back or solves the issue for you. That is another assumption, but it does not apply to the majority of software licenses that I know of. The license for The Bat (you should have it somewhere on your harddisk) says: .- | The program is distributed AS IS and you assume full responsibility | for determining the suitability of the program and for results obtained. | | RITLABS makes no warranty that all errors have been or can be eliminated | from the program software and, with respect thereto, RITLABS shall not | be responsible for losses, damages, costs, or expenses of any kind | resulting from using or misusing the program including without | limitation, any liability for business expenses, machine downtime, | damages experienced by you or any third person as a result of any | deficiency, defect, bug, error or malfunction. RITLABS shall not be | liable for any indirect, special, incidental, or consequential damages | relating to or arising out of the subject matter of this Agreement or | actions taken thereunder | | NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND IS EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED. YOU USE THE PROGRAM AT | YOUR OWN RISK. RITLABS DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR | IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A | PARTICULAR PURPOSE. NOBODY WILL BE LIABLE FOR DATA LOSS, DAMAGES, LOSS | OF PROFITS OR ANY OTHER KIND OF LOSS WHILE USING OR MISUSING THIS | SOFTWARE. `- The majority of try-before-you-buy and shareware programs comes with a similar license. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) We are not primarily put on this Earth to see through one another, but to see on another through. -- Peter de Vries Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! still has negative image
Hello Akebono Translation Service everyone else, on 14-Dez-2006 at 19:51 you (Akebono Translation Service) wrote: Really, the issue isn't that important to me, but I find it truly strange that you're trying to defend non-support. I don't know how you got that impression. I'm fully for support, but I'm against the universal I demand attitude of people for things that they didn't pay for. This is a general problem. Please don't take it personally. For a product that costs must less than the PC and the operating system, a product that can be evaluated for free, and whatnot, what do you expect? A lifetime of fixes for a product that costs less than 50 bucks? Thats not realistic. Software doesn't age like physical goods do, and the rules that apply to physical products don't apply to software, no matter how hard we try to make comparisons (with cars and defective airbags, brakes, or whatever). If a computer, a certain product, whatever, is so important to you, your daily work, that you can't do without it functioning propperly, you should put a reasonable amount of money into it, and take all kinds of measures to ensure that this routine won't be interrupted. This is a common problem when people are working with computers - they don't (want to) recognize how much they depend on it. Computers and software are valued as better typewriters, but their real value for our daily lives is so much higher. Business critical. But then again, no matter how much money you put into it, as long as you don't pay for the support, you won't get any. You buy a license, and not the support, its as simple as that. For example, Microsoft Outlook is an email program and PIM double or triple the price of TB if you buy it stand-alone, and you get one (1) free support call with it if you buy the full packaged product. Hmmm... this is getting way off topic for the list, if you wish to continue the discussion lets move it to TBOT or to PM. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) If God made us in his image, we have certainly returned the compliment. -- Voltaire Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello MFPA everyone else, on 12-Dez-2006 at 15:51 you (MFPA) wrote: You need to do that whatever check for some of the downloads. The check is done either with an ActiveX control in IE, or with a stand-alone program when you're using other browsers. Always worked for me. Does that mean somebody who had Windows with IE removed could get their updates from M$ instead of from a third party like http://windizupdate.com/ ? No. The Windows Genuine Advantage check has nothing to do with Windows Updates. You (still) get the critical security updates without the WGA check. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) In my solitude I have seen very clear things which were not true. (Antonio Machado) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 behavior
Hello Jack S. LaRosa everyone else, on 12-Dez-2006 at 00:56 you (Jack S. LaRosa) wrote: The problem (which only recently started) occurs when My wife selects herself from the Win logon screen. ASK Are you logged off then, or are you using fast user switching? I am logged off. I seldom use fast user switching because if I remain logged on and simply switch users, K9 won't even start when she logs on. You get some kind of error message whose text I can't remember right now. Apparently K9 can be used by only one user at a time. Thats why I was asking, but since you're aware of it and this isn't the problem, I have no clue whats going on, sorry. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) What we need is progress with an escape hatch. -- John Updike Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 behavior
Hello Jack S. LaRosa everyone else, on 11-Dez-2006 at 00:23 you (Jack S. LaRosa) wrote: The problem (which only recently started) occurs when My wife selects herself from the Win logon screen. Are you logged off then, or are you using fast user switching? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Conway's Law: In every organization there will always be one person who knows what is going on. This person must be fired. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can someone explain HELO to me?
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 06-Dez-2006 at 01:45 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: ASK Hmmm. I'd regard that as problematic just as well. My IP address ASK is dynamic and has nothing to do with the mail relayer that is set ASK for my domain. A reverse lookup in the HELO state would fail. But still it's what it's supposed to do. The EHLO should give a domain name that identifies the client system. When using an email client to relay messages thru the SMTP server of my ISP, my machine is not a part of the remote systems network. It has no domain name. Its just an SMTP client. On your LAN to your local mail server that can be your computer name, as it's likely that that will point to the right computer (it does on my LAN), but when you're talking to something else you should give a domain name or a literal address. AFAIK it doesn't matter which name is provided (as long as it is a unique identifier and not a reserved name like localhost), because it can not be verified by the remote system anyway (HELO should not be used for any sort of identification, thats done with the DNS, but in reality it is very well used for identifying and blocking relay attempts of spammers - which is ok for me). If I send a HELO something or HELO something.neurowerx.de has the same result, a received: from unknown (HELO ...) added to the message by the remote system. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The release of atomic energy constitutes a new force too revolutionary to consider in the framework of old ideas. -- Harry S. Truman Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Douglas Hinds everyone else, on 06-Dez-2006 at 13:30 you (Douglas Hinds) wrote: I am using TB! Pro v. 3.51.10 on WinXP with no service packs and when I double click on the file thebat_pro_3-85-03.msi the computer enters a loop that requires me to reboot. Something may be corrupt with the MSI installation procedure. Early MSI releases of TB had some problems if I remember correct. You could try to make a full backup from within TB, uninstall the program completely, and then reinstall from the new MSI (and then restore the backup) to cure the problem once and for all. Manually extracting the files from the MSI archive will most likely not fix it. You'll still have a corrupt entry in the MS installer database that needs fixing. Another thing worth trying first would be the MSI cleanup utility from Microsoft. It can check the database of MSI installations and remove entries without actually uninstalling the program. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 HTH -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Douglas Hinds everyone else, on 06-Dez-2006 at 18:06 you (Douglas Hinds) wrote: Something may be corrupt with the MSI installation procedure. Early MSI releases of TB had some problems if I remember correct. You mean TB!3? Yes. I think v2 was not distributed in MSI packages. You could try to make a full backup from within TB, uninstall the program completely, and then reinstall from the new MSI (and then restore the backup) to cure the problem once and for all. Unless the problem is with my windows installation. The principle question is, do I or don't I need to upgrade from v 3.51.10? Since I'm always an early adopter of the latest version, I can't really tell you which features are improved in 3.85, the Ritlabs web page has a version history. Everything MS makes corrupts too easily. I can't run MSIE (or Netcaptor, for that matter) either; but who cares? I use Firefox and Opera w/ not problems. Well, I recently updated to FF2.0 - and realised then that I should have removed the old 1.5 installation before. I did that afterwards, and now half of the FF2.0 installation is a mess (I think I have to install 2.0 over the existing installation again to fix it). :-) I'll give it a try. But I was at the M$ website a while ago and in order to download a service pack I have to use their own pet browser. You need to do that Windows Genuine whatever check for some of the downloads. The check is done either with an ActiveX control in IE, or with a stand-alone program when you're using other browsers. Always worked for me. But IIRC the msicuu is available without the check. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) That which is incapable of proof itself is no proof of anything else. -- Percy Bysshe Shelley Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 06-Dez-2006 at 20:10 you (Mary Bull) wrote: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 What's your opinion of this warning at that website page: Well, its there for a reason. :-) MSI keeps a database of installed programs (well, those programs that were installed with an MSI package). When you manually remove an entry from the database, the program is not uninstalled, but the status of its installation is unknown to the system afterwards, ie. the entry from the control panel / add or remove programs will be gone. One possible usage of the utility is to remove an entry from the database that makes an update installation (or whatever) hang otherwise and then re-install the program over the still existing on-disk installation so that you end up with an updated installation and a clean MSI configuration database. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Anamatha (Intro Version) by DJ Zen (from the 2003 compilation Peace Therapy) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google Mail
Hello Roland Burger everyone else, on 05-Dez-2006 at 07:21 you (Roland Burger) wrote: Before you can use POP3 access, you must enable it for your account: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13273 It is already enabled! Wonderful! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular? -- David Sarnoff's associates in response to his urgings for investment in the radio in the 1920s. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can someone explain HELO to me?
Hello Barry everyone else, on 05-Dez-2006 at 17:42 you (Barry) wrote: Does TB! decide this? Yes (but actually, the current alpha/beta versions use localhost, which is quite problematic). Why? In the SMTP handshake state the client (or rather, the machine wishing to relay a message to another SMTP server) should send an identification, thats the HELO (or EHLO). When official SMTP servers are talking to each other, the handshake must be a fully qualified domain name (like mail.domain.com). When a client like TB talks to an SMTP server, the machine usually has no fully qualified domain name, so the local machine's name is used instead. Can I decide what this should be? No. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Sushi Bar - Damask Rose by Vangelis (from the 2003 compilation Blade Runner Soundtrack (Esper Bootleg)) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google Mail
Hello MFPA everyone else, on 05-Dez-2006 at 03:51 you (MFPA) wrote: [quoting a message from 2005] I had all sort of problems loading from Gmail. Until, I actually went to the web site logged in, I clicked on the browser lock icon and was able to download the certificate. Have had no problems since. FWIW, when I tried gmail with TB I had not to fiddle around with the certificates. I'm not using gmail with TB anymore but the only thing that needed adjusting was to use port 587 instead of 465 (meanwhile, Google corrected their documentation as it seems) for SMTP. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: One More Kiss, Dear by Skelling Vangelis Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can someone explain HELO to me?
Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, on 05-Dez-2006 at 21:14 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: M What about start control panel system computer name? Does M TB! not use that anymore? No, not here. It uses localhost instead. That is a bug of the current betas .07 and .08. http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6111 -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: I Dreamt Music by Vangelis Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can someone explain HELO to me?
Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, on 05-Dez-2006 at 21:34 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: No, not here. It uses localhost instead. ASK That is a bug of the current betas .07 and .08. ASK http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6111 I checked older messages. It is the same in the release version 3.85.03. I haven't checked older versions, sorry. The original poster on TBBETA reverted to beta .06 where it uses the local machine name instead. See the thread on TBBETA: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In older versions a reference to the respective ISP is used. Hmmm. I'd regard that as problematic just as well. My IP address is dynamic and has nothing to do with the mail relayer that is set for my domain. A reverse lookup in the HELO state would fail. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Wounded Animals by Vangelis Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google Mail
Hello Roland Burger everyone else, on 04-Dez-2006 at 19:26 you (Roland Burger) wrote: I have problems with my new account Google Mail. I don't get mails Before you can use POP3 access, you must enable it for your account: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13273 -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Stars scribble in our eyes the frosty sagas, the screaming cantos of unvanquished space. (Hart Crane) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adjusting Length of lines in Plain Text (Micro Ed)
Hello usman x everyone else, on 01-Dez-2006 at 07:55 you (usman x) wrote: if i paste the text of an article into a new email, and then use alt-L to wrap the text, all the spacing of the article from the website gets lost, and i end up with one giant block of text, without paragraph breaks. Thats normal if you paste unformatted text. Paragraphs of a website are only rendered on-screen by the HTML interpreter (the web browser), there are no hard wraps in the text. When I have to paste such text I put an empty line between the what-used-to-be paragraphs (each is a separate very long line usually) and then let TB format them with ALT+L. It works for me, and maybe there is a more comfortable way that I don't (need to) know. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) If poltergeist phenomena say anything, I suspect that this is not about spirits, demons, or ghosts, but about human personality. -- William G. Roll Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Centre and IMAP
Hello Barry everyone else, on 28-Nov-2006 at 17:00 you (Barry) wrote: With my IMAP accounts the connection centre never hides, is this because TB is listening for new mails all the time? Yes. What is the popular setting for the connection centre with IMAP accounts? That depends on your preference. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) If you want to kill any idea in the world today, get a committee working on it. -- Charles Kettering Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam mail
Hello Ian A. White everyone else, on 28-Nov-2006 at 03:22 you (Ian A. White) wrote: Maybe you need something like MailWasher. Why download the message first and then decide? With MailWasher you decide before the message is downloaded to your system, and you can preview those that might just be genuine. You don't need an external program mailwasher for that, you can use TB's mail dispatcher instead (menu Account, Dispatch Mail on Server). However, I find previewing messages both irrational and time consuming. Emails are usually rather small and thus they are quickly downloaded, usually within a couple of seconds (depending on your internet connection). It will take an equal or larger amount of time to manually evaluate the message with a preview/dispatcher function. Besides the time it takes to manually preview messages and sort them, the message headers will be downloaded anyway (with both mailwasher and the dispatcher, doesn't matter). Depending on the type of message, the header part may already be a large portion of the whole message. You can download the entire message instead and have the spam filter handle it. If you preview with Mailwasher you'll download the headers, and then invoke TB and download the headers again (plus the message body of course). A good Bayes filter will take care of the offending messages after a single training click in case it missed one. By the reports of people posting to the TB lists, I conclude that both Agava and Regula are good TB plugins. Personally, I am using K9, which is a lightweight and reliable mail proxy with bayesian analysis, but it works only with POP3 accounts. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency. -- Emily Dickinson Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP stability
Hello Peter Ouwehand everyone else, on 25-Nov-2006 at 03:28 you (Peter Ouwehand) wrote: MO By the way, I am surprised I haven't seen Mary around. Is she still MO hanging in here? You're not the only one wondering about Mary not being on here for quite some time now. Is there anyone having more information on Mary? Join TBOT! :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Give me, Mother, luck at my birth, then throw me if you will on the rubbish heap. (Bulgarian Proverb) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Different signatures depending on recipient
Hello Tom everyone else, on 22-Nov-2006 at 12:03 you (Tom) wrote: I would like to use different types of signatures depending on who I communicate with. I do think though that there is probably a more elegant way available with TB? My approach is the same as Ian's. I'm using address book groups for that, and the address book group templates are built from Quick Templates. I'm using TB only for private email communication, but I have german and english contacts. My contacts are organized in two groups, I named them EN-personal and DE-personal (similar setups could be used to have different templates for personal and business contacts). This way not only the signature but the whole template for new messages and replies is in the correct language. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Deadly Mission III by Pete Namlook (from the 1998 album Namlook XIII - License to Chill) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text input box in front of message list
Hello MFPA everyone else, on 01-Nov-2006 at 13:29 you (MFPA) wrote: It appears to function as a Quicksearch box. I cannot seem to get rid of it. ESC? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I must say that I find television very educational. The minute somebody turns it on, I go to the library and read a book. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text input box in front of message list
Hello MFPA everyone else, on 01-Nov-2006 at 14:33 you (MFPA) wrote: ESC? Unfortunately, when that does anything it is the same as right-clicking and selecting hide. Thanks for trying, though. View / Toolsbar / Quicksearch maybe? Or can you drag drop it into the menu bar maybe? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Matilda's Sub-Committee Law: If you leave the room, you're elected. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text input box in front of message list
Hello MFPA everyone else, on 01-Nov-2006 at 16:30 you (MFPA) wrote: Any idea where the menu/toolbar customisation settings are stored? %APPDATA%\The Bat!\tbuser.def -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Our only hope lies not in making people feel emotional, but in showing them what can be done and giving them reasons for doing it. -- B. F. Skinner Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text input box in front of message list
Hello MFPA everyone else, on 01-Nov-2006 at 18:09 you (MFPA) wrote: %APPDATA%\The Bat!\tbuser.def Thanks. Reverting to an earlier version of tbuser.def has resolved the issue. I owe you a beer. Even though I'd say that you found the clue yourself, I'll accept! ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -Rich Cook Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail from Tom
Hello Roland Burger everyone else, on 31-Okt-2006 at 14:48 you (Roland Burger) wrote: I'm only getting many duplicates from the message of Tom with MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in TBUDL and no other mails. After downloading this TheBat closes!!! No problem here. This message and all other messages download just fine. All what I tried - also dongrading - has been without success. AVG said that I have no viruses! As it previously has been said to you by me and others (I hope you do read the *sighing* in that sentence!): - delete the offending message from the server with the message dispatcher. - remove ALL plug-ins from The Bat In addition: - try to uninstall AVG (at least for testing). It may interfere with downloading mail in that it locks the temp files of TB. PLEASE, try this and give us *feedback* if it works or not! Its no use to ask the same question over and over again if we don't know whether you tried what has been suggested to you And since you downgraded, and nothing changed I also dare say that this is most likely NOT a beta issue but some sort of plugin/antivirus problem. I therefore CC this reply to TBUDL and kindly ask you to reply on TBUDL and not on TBBETA, so that other regular users can benefit from the result or are made aware of an unusual problem. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Those who are affected by music can be divided into two classes: those who hear the spiritual meaning, and those who hear the material sound. There are good and evil results in each case. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 31-Okt-2006 at 14:19 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? If not, what are the pitfalls you see or reasons why you don't think it is a good idea. I don't know if it is really necessary to have a configuration option for the state of a single tickbox, really. After all, creating a filter requires a bit of attention right from the start, and I think now that you're aware that you can create common filters that way, you'll remember to check that tickbox. ;-) However, you have mentioned another point that would be worth a wishlist entry because IMHO, a new common filter by default should simply apply to all accounts (I've stumbled over this each time I created a new common filter). After all, the whole point of common filters is that they apply to multiple accounts. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Sun by The Ambush (from the 1994 album The Ambush) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif Gregory everyone else,
CC'ing to TBOT...
on 26-Okt-2006 at 15:08 you (Leif Gregory) wrote:
but if it meets absolutely no other spam criteria, the points it
received on the DNSbl listing alone *should not* be enough to classify
it as spam.
That may be true if you're talking about the mail services of an ISP or
email provider. But in a company, using a few reliable DNS RBL to reduce
the initial amount of mails that the mail server accepts is a very valid
measure IMHO, and many companies are using it.
If you're using aggressive RBLs on your mailserver, thats a problem. The
listing on a well and carefully maintained blacklist however *has* a
reason (and its *not* the BLARS method of someone from this netblock
spammed me once, so I list the entire netblock of course): maybe spam,
maybe backscatter... either way, its an indication that there's
something wrong and someone needs to do something about it. The higher
the pressure on the admin/user because they can't relay their mail, the
faster it will happen! ;-)
Example: DNS RBLs that contain dynamic and dialup IP ranges. In our
company, we block all SMTP communication that comes from these IP
ranges. Machines trying to relay get a friendly :-) SMTP error 550
saying Sorry, we don't accept mail from dynamic IP ranges - please use
the SMTP server of your email provider to relay your message.
And this is making sense - we're living in the time of botnets. If you
look at the logs of your SMTP server, you'll find that an enourmous
amount of relay attempts identifies with HELO friend from dynamic IPs
from all over the world. A giant botnet that is used for spamming. And
the HELO is not even a valid hostname...
[HELO filtering: even simpler than DNS RBLs, even more effective (in
that it takes not even an DNS lookup): filter everything without a HELO
and without a valid hostname - we have dozens of relay attempts in our
logs that use HELO localhost or HELO {public IP of our MX} or the
aforesaid HELO friend. If it has not dot . in it, its not a valid
hostname, so reject it. This is against the RFC, but a well maintained
mailserver *will* start the communication with a valid HELO]
I regularly review our SMTP server logs, and I can assure you that 70%
of all spam relay attempts is blocked by using DNS RBLs alone, the great
majority coming from dynamic hosts. Adding just points to a spam
rating would increase the number of message the user has to review
(because they're marking with [SPAM] or something) dramatically, and I
dare say that few companies can afford that.
--
Best regards,
Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de)
NP: Twilight by Vangelis
(from the 1990 album The City)
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Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Joe everyone else, on 26-Okt-2006 at 17:40 you (Joe) wrote: So I'm going to opt for Plan C (C for chicken) - i.e., I'm going wait and see what happens next. Which may very well work. The hostname sounds like Bellsouth has multiple SMTP servers on which the load is divided. Chances are that on your next attempt a different SMTP server will relay your message, and this one may not be blacklisted. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The doors of Heaven and Hell are adjacent and identical: both green, both beautiful. -- Nikos Kazantzakis Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Joe everyone else, on 24-Okt-2006 at 20:47 you (Joe) wrote: **A business with which I've successfully corresponded with several times in the past has started to reject by e-mails. I always get the same error message. Anyone have any ideas as to why my e-mail is supposedly (and suddenly) being interpreted as a spam site? Recipient: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reason:5.2.1 Mail from XXX.152.59.66 refused: spam site. Note: I substituted the Xs myself. Since this is a purely IP based refusal it would be interesting to know the complete IP address. :-} You can test the address yourself if it has been listed on some DNS realtime blacklists: http://openrbl.org/client/ If the resulting overview contains a name of a DNS realtime blacklist with a RED background, the IP address is listed there. Clicking on the list name provides further results for the reason, and/or a link to the site that runs the blacklist. If you've been listed in error you can ask for removal. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Frankiln Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Joe everyone else, on 24-Okt-2006 at 21:54 you (Joe) wrote: Since this is a purely IP based refusal it would be interesting to know the complete IP address. :-} This is the full IP: 205.152.59.66. But I'm confused. Are you saying that someone has classified *me* as a spammer??? How can that be? Are you sure they are (whoever in fact they are) not picking up The Bat as a reputed spam *program*? Yes, I am sure. Enter the IP address in the DNSRBL test client. It'll reveal that the IP is blacklisted on the SORBS and BLARS DNS blacklists. BLARS is a very aggressive list (it lists entire netblocks), but SORBS ain't listing IP address without a reason. http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?205.152.59.66 According to this information, the IP address has sent spam to a spamtrap run by the SORBS team. I've been able to send messages to this domain (and vice versa) as recently as last week, and had no problems whatsoever. It has nothing to do with you most likely, but someone else has used the Bellsouth SMTP server you're using to send spam, and he/she made the mistake to send spam to an email address monitored by the SORBS team. The problem is that Bellsouth allowed a spammer to use their email system, and therefore it is blacklisted. Unfortunately, you (and probably a lot of other Bellsouth customers) are affected by that now, too... :-( -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: All That Is Real by Magnum (from the 1978 album Kingdom Of Madness) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Joe everyone else, on 24-Okt-2006 at 22:29 you (Joe) wrote: I got 4 (I think), but one was purported to be out of business. Does that mean that those lists are classifying *me* (actually, my IP, I guess) as a spammer? Erm... we have to clarify this as it is very important. Is this *your* IP adress, or the IP address of a Bellsouth mail server? What SMTP (outgoing) server are you using in the account settings of TB for that account? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Slipping Away by Magnum (from the 2005 album Kingdom Of Madness (re-release bonus disc)) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Favorite Macro?
Hello Darrin everyone else, on 22-Okt-2006 at 18:34 you (Darrin) wrote: Just curious here. What are a few of the favorite macros used by tb users here? I dont want to miss out on anything really cool :) There's no question about it: %- Used to stack multiple lines of macros without adding extra LFs. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make. -- Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default mail client
Hello Benedict Allen everyone else, on 16-Okt-2006 at 19:07 you (Benedict Allen) wrote: Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail client H... that belongs to TBBETA and I think it was answered/announced there in Maxim's message msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Unexplainable events occur constantly. One man will see spirits. Another will hear voices. A third will wake up and find himself running in the Preakness. -- Woody Allen Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else, on 14-Okt-2006 at 00:01 you (Arjan de Groot) wrote: That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Well, that is your opinion. I wouldn't use such hard words. I call it stupid because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in there for nothing. Well, I know of other email clients that use the same reply numbering. Limiting whats good and bad, or stupid, to your own limited knowledge of things, and judging the usability of it by that and your own limited imagination, is maybe the same. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
Hello Richard H. Stoddard everyone else, on 14-Okt-2006 at 18:30 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote: I have been trying to make The Bat! and GnuPG work together. I installed the latest version along with WinPT, and once in awhile it would work, but usually not. I am now having problems with PGP as well. In both cases, when I try to sign or encrypt using the tray app I get error messages that state the TB! email window contains no text or is not the last input focus. Tray app? I don't think you need it. Does anyone have any idea what is going on?? In TB's main mindow, go to the Tools menu and choose OpenPGP / Select OpenPGP version. In the window that opens, GnuPG should be available. If its greyed out, you must add the path to the gpg executables to the PATH environment variable (right click on My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Environment Variables, check the box System Variables, it contains a variable path - you must have admin rights to edit it). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The errors to avoid are those that eliminate opportunities to try again. -- Lazar Goldberg Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else, on 13-Okt-2006 at 17:27 you (Arjan de Groot) wrote: In short, this Re: numbering is non-RFC Can you point me to the RFC that says reply prefixes *MUST NOT* contain these numbers? superfluous and stupid, and RIT should get rid of it as soon as possible Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when looked at in the right way, did not become still more complicated. -- Poul Anderson Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else, on 13-Okt-2006 at 21:24 you (Arjan de Groot) wrote: [...] The Subject: field is the most common and contains a short string identifying the topic of the message. When used in a reply, the field body MAY start with the string Re: (from the Latin res, in the matter of) followed by the contents of the Subject: field body of the original message. If this is done, only one instance of the literal string Re: ought to be used since use of other strings or more than one instance can lead to undesirable consequences. If I understand correctly, it implies: you MAY use 1 instance of Re: in a reply, but you SHOULD NOT use other strings as it can lead to undesirable consequences. That is one interpretation. :-) Another fine example of an RFC that doesn't create clarity, because it leaves too much room for interpretation. The only thing that is absolutely clear in this paragraph is: if you add Re:, you should add it only once. The rest? Pretty washy in my opinion. Its always *may* and *ought to* - not *must*. Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Well, that is your opinion. I wouldn't use such hard words. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Non-Reciprocal Law of Expectations: Negative expectations yield negative results. Positive expectations yield negative results. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 13-Okt-2006 at 20:08 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: In that case it's most likely that the Re[2]: in the subject was triggering some sort of spam filter. That sounds very plausible. There's been quite some spam in the past that contained this Re: numbering in the subject. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Every tomorrow has two handles. We can take hold of it with the handle of anxiety or the handle of faith. -- H. W. Beecher Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Template Question
Hello David Calvarese everyone else, on 12-Okt-2006 at 14:01 you (David Calvarese) wrote: I'm on several Yahoo groups and having to either manually select what I want to quote in my reply or cut it out afterwards... on every reply going to a Yahoo group. Have you followed the discussion about the txt2html.regexps parsing file? msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It allows you to hide the darn yahoogroups footers completely. I'm not an expert in regex but I managed to fix it myself. Add this line: (?s)\sYahoo\!\sGroups\sLinks.*?\/info\/terms\/\/A\= to the file. Most likely it can be done better (it leaves quite some whitespaces), but I don't know how. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: use the size of the window instead of wrap
Hello Scott everyone else, on 10-Okt-2006 at 07:15 you (Scott) wrote: How can I make/receive emails that go the width of the window instead of wrapping at 75 characters? For outgoing messages: use the Windows Editor instead of MicroEd. The Windows editor wraps on-screen, but no in the actual message. For incoming messages: there's no way to remove linefeeds from incoming messages. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Law of Gifts: You get the most of what you need the least. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
Hello MikeD (2) everyone else, on 10-Okt-2006 at 13:35 you (MikeD (2)) wrote: I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being serviced by gmail. I have no idea what you mean with this. As far as I know you can specify different outgoing mailaddresses (which is problemating due to various spam filtering techniques like reverse lookups and SPF), but I wouldn't know how to process incoming email from with the gmail account (other than a forwarder - gmail has no POP3 collector service that you can use to retrieve other accounts... or at least mine hasn't). Other than that, try to use a regular connection for POP3 instead of STARTTLS. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau. --Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: sorting of messages in threads
Hello Julian Beach (Lists) everyone else, on 03-Okt-2006 at 14:48 you (Julian Beach (Lists)) wrote: What does ctrl-] actually do? Next unread message either in Thread, Account or another account in that order. You can view all your unread messages in turn by using Ctrl-] - it is my favourite TB! keyboard shortcut! If you configure TB to search new messages across folders you can do the same with CTRL+right (cursorkey). I'm using it all the time. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One place to set settings for all or some accounts
Hello MAU everyone else, on 02-Okt-2006 at 18:51 you (MAU) wrote: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6045 I would prefer this one: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6023 much better. ...I just wanted to say the same. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Where does one go from a world of insanity? Somewhere on the other side of despair. (T. S. Eliot) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: txt2html.regexps
Hello Richard Wakeford everyone else, on 30-Sep-2006 at 01:20 you (Richard Wakeford) wrote: In your example (and mine on looking at it in the outbox) the / are still either side of the /italics/ word, even though the word is shown in italics. The *bold* and _underline_ work fine though. Thats intentional. If you render italics in different sizes (to hide the slashes) there will be rendering errors if there's no whitespace. Therefore, the slashes are not hidden, only the asterisk and underscore. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: txt2html.regexps
Hello Konrad Szkudlarczyk everyone else, thanks for posting the information to TBUDL, and thanks for the fixes you applied - its really really nice now. Even the ascii art signatures look good now. All in these few cryptic lines of regular expressions. This is a complete miracle to me! :-) on 30-Sep-2006 at 00:15 you (Konrad Szkudlarczyk) wrote: Copy this four lines to the text file called txt2html.regexps (not txt2html.regexps.txt!), place that file in main TB's! directory, turn on smileys and admire. For those who want to pick the original file, http://www.neurowerx.de/files/txt2html.regexps -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, 'Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!' If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it. - Dan Barker Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: txt2html.regexps
Hello Richard Wakeford everyone else, on 30-Sep-2006 at 10:56 you (Richard Wakeford) wrote: It only cuts it just a /little/ bit but I agree, it's annoying all the same. Surely there must be a way round the problem as, in my reply to Alexander, AMEOL displayed /italics/ perfectly. The solution would be to embed the string to be shown in italics in spaces for display, like /italics/ becomes / italics / for display on screen. That way, the invisible whitespaces would be cut. I don't know if this can be done, though. Despite that little problem I'm very impressed with your efforts as reg ex is way over my head and I can't understand why it's not been hard coded into The Bat! main exe file because it's been asked for enough by various users. Well, its much more flexible that way. You could add a regex that shows mailto: URLs in a different color/font/style, and whatnot... -- That sig delimiter is bröken. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The universe is perfectly harmonious. if we seek to find the source of any conflict, we need only look within. -- Patrick Douglas Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: txt2html.regexps
Hello Richard Wakeford everyone else, on 30-Sep-2006 at 14:55 you (Richard Wakeford) wrote: I know. Strange, it was just that one time and Alexander ticked me off too. The big bully :-( If that was your impression, I'm really sorry. I'll try to remember next time that you prefer to be officially moderated! :-P Shaking with fear and cowering in a corner now sob ;-) Wimp. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) 'Time' has ceased, 'Space' has vanished. We now live in a global village...a simultaneous happening. -- Alfred North Whitehead Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Granville Cousins everyone else, on 28-Sep-2006 at 15:41 you (Granville Cousins) wrote: Where can I find this configuration in The Bat! filters section? I have looked in there and cannot see any place where I can request The Bat! to filter my email using the header classification. I am running The Bat! version 1.6r. Marten is using version 3 of TheBat, you're still using v1. Things are very different in the sorting office in the meantime. If I remember correctly, you have to create a filter with a regular expression test in v1. I hope someone can help you, I sure know it *IS* possible to filter for headers in v1, I did that myself, but v1 really was years ago... Maybe you should update, anyway. The update is not very expensive and you get many new and nice functions. Virtual folders, plugins, common filters, the all new and much more comprehensible sorting office... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 26-Sep-2006 at 17:21 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: The first step to follow Peter's instructions would be to upgrade to v3, what Peter suggested can't be done with your 1.62r But only the part with the common filters. He doesn't need to upgrade to v3 to filter for headers/header contents, or does he? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) May you live all the days of your life. -- Johnathan Swift Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiplying outgoing attachments
Hello Richard H. Stoddard everyone else, on 25-Sep-2006 at 02:59 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote: I have autosave set at 10 second intervals; Sounds like you don't trust your computer very much! :-) maybe it has started saving a copy of the attachment as well in that directory for some reason. Check the file dates - do they differ by 10 seconds (your autosave interval) maybe? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) God is not dead: He is alive and well and working on a much less ambitious project. -- Anonymous Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Threads by...
Hello Steven P Vallière everyone else, on 25-Sep-2006 at 21:09 you (Steven P Vallière) wrote: I'll see if I can figure out enough of the view mode stuff to make it work. It certainly is NOT intuitively obvious... smile It took me a while to get the grip of the viewmodes. You should define a couple of viewmodes to use regularly (I have one for mailinglist folders with threaded view, one for the sent mail folder, one for virtual conversation type folders, for example). Once you've done that, apply them to the folders as you see fit, and forget about it. At least thats how it is working here... Sometimes, I truly believe that a thing can be TOO configurable... ...and I surely wouldn't want to NOT have this feature. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Jones' Law of TV: If there are only two shows worth watching, they will be on at the same time (and your VCR is on the blink) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiplying outgoing attachments
Hello Richard H. Stoddard everyone else, on 24-Sep-2006 at 05:29 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote: I am having a problem with TB! storing multiple copies of attachments I'm sending. I just send a photo to a friend, and discovered that TB! had stored 704 copies of it in my attachment directory. This isn't the first time multiple copies have been stored, but usually it's only been a few extra. H. As far as I know, Attachments that you SEND are not stored in the attachment directory. They are picked from the physical location on disk and encoded into the message when you send the message (depending on the status of the Bind Attachments... checkbox in the account properties). However, I'm not entirely sure about it and I can verify this because I configured TB to keep attachments in the message body. Only attachments that you RECEIVED are in the attachments folder (if you selected to not keep them in the message body, that is). If you received an attachment with the same name more than once (like picture.jpg) you'll find multiple (numbered) versions of the file in your attachments directory. So chances are that what you're seeing are attachments that you received. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The real geniuses simply have their bright ideas closer together. -- G. C. Lichtenburg Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiplying outgoing attachments
Hello Richard Wakeford everyone else, on 24-Sep-2006 at 13:46 you (Richard Wakeford) wrote: ASK H. As far as I know, Attachments that you SEND are not stored ASK in the attachment directory. They are picked from the physical ASK location on disk and encoded into the message when you send the ASK message (depending on the status of the Bind Attachments... ASK checkbox in the account properties). ASK However, I'm not entirely sure about it and I can verify this ASK because I configured TB to keep attachments in the message body. That's the difference I think. I have my attachments in a separate directory and copy is added to the directory each time a mail is sent. I see. What does the source of the message look like when you view it in your sent mail folder? Mine contains a second part with the (ascii encoded) attachment. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) 10 out of 5 doctors think it's OK to be schizofrenic. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiplying outgoing attachments
Hello Richard Wakeford everyone else, on 24-Sep-2006 at 15:33 you (Richard Wakeford) wrote: This is what I get as I've just sent myself a JPG attachment: So its just a reference to the filename for sent mails as well, and my previous assumption was wrong. Thanks for the clarification. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) 2 + 2 = 5, for sufficiently large values of 2. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirmation required to delete a message
Hello Leonard S. Berkowitz everyone else, on 20-Sep-2006 at 19:05 you (Leonard S. Berkowitz) wrote: I'll fix that right away. That's related to the problem that I posted on a different thread: that ThBat does not addressee-specific reply template and instead defaults to the account rely template, where there is a trailing space. Erm?! I'm sure you mixed up something in that sentence, or else it doesn't make sense. It's a long story, but since you asked... I know the story, I've replied to it and followed it. MFPA pointed out that my cut line did not have a trailing space. In the reply template for tbudl, there is a trailing space, but not in the account reply template. In a difference note to the list, I asked for help about a problem with TheBat not selecting the addressee specific reply template, but defaulting to the account reply template. OK, but thats a different version than the first paragraph above. :-) In any event, I've changed the account reply template to have a trailing space. Good. And, have you followed Roelof's advice to un-hide AB group entries in the address book to find out if you have multiple occassions of one and the same address? Thats the information I've been missing in the original thread... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Like a mutation, an idea may be recorded at the wrong time, to lie latent like a reccessive gene and spring once more to life in an auspicious era. -- Loren Eiseley Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
