Re[2]: From column format
Hello tb, On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:37:40 -0600 GMT (29/01/2004, 04:37 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At one point, I seem to recall having changed the From column in the message list listview so that it did not display anything but [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think that's possible in TB. How do I do this, or is my memory mistaking another client? Either you are confused or I am. ;-) Try alt-clicking on the thing you want to filter by, type ESC to return to normal -- Andy Philpotts Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/40 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Off-Topic: PGP Questions
First question: I assume that PGP prevents anyone from intercepting the email at some point between a person's sending it and its arrival at the computer to which it was intended. It can be intercepted, in the sense that anyone can see that a message has been sent, but it is encrypted, and decoding it is very difficult (in most cases so difficult as to be considered secure) so it cannot be usefully read. For the same reasons the content is also considered tamperproof, so a malicious person in the middle cannot modify the message. Does it also prevent anyone at that computer from reading the email other than the intended recipient? In other words, if I send an email to a husband, does PGP prevent the wife's from reading it on her husband's computer? This depends... if the pass-phrase is easily available, or could be guessed, and the private key is held on the aforementioned computer, I would not consider it safe. This depends on the habits of the recipient. This is *not* a smart-ass or rhetorical question. I'm fairly naive, but in five years of sending email, including my credit card numbers, I've never had anything intercepted between my computer and the recipient's computer. I'm not being a smart-ass either, but how would you know? I suspect all you really know is that such information has not been abused in any way. You do not know if someone has been keeping a log of traffic to use at some later date. The mail you normally send passes through several computer, and over other peoples networks. The information could be picked up at any point. There is reason the believe that your government (pick one!) is doing this as a matter of course! It is a guiding principle of the cypher analyst to *not* let on that the messages are being intercepted. I would strongly advise you not to assume that somebody is not doing it! I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else has ever had their own email intercepted. Again, that it has been intercepted is impossible to judge, unless you can find evidence that it has been used. I see the value of encrypting an email with really important or sensitive information, but I note that many people seem to encrypt their email to this list as well, even when it contains nothing valuable that would seem to warrant encryption. Is there an advantage to encrypting personal or unimportant business email or do people just encrypt everything they send out by default? You are seeing two things, a lot of people have been adding PGP signatures. This is NOT encrypting the message, it is adding a signature that is very difficult to forge. signatures are useful not because they hide the message, but because the message is known to come from a trusted source. This is the most common case. The more rarely seen thing is a completely encrypted message, which only the recipient can decode. I went to the pgp.com site but couldn't find anything that really explains the nuts and bolts of how the system works ... Everyone has a pair of keys, one private, kept solely by them, the other public, for anyone who is interested. In short, to decrypt a message from someone, you need *their* public key, and you need *your* private key. Imagine a door with two locks, to unlock it you need BOTH keys. Similarly, the sender of the message needs *their* private key, and *your* public key. Private keys are private, and never shared, public keys are designed to be shared, which is why you see them on e-mail from people. The biggest weakness is someone persuades you that they are someone else, and they pass you a public key that is not in fact for the person you think it is for. Be careful about how you pick up a public key. Public keys are either exchanged through e-mail, or retrieved from public servers. Private keys are stored locally (ideally on removable media) and protected through a pass-phrase (like a long password). -- Andy Philpotts Using The Bat! v2.01 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is that number?
What is the meaning of a number in angle brackets in the Total column, such as, 0 5? I can't find an explanation in the on-line help. It is the total count of messages in all the sub-folders of the given folder, handy if you fold part of the tree. You only see this for folders which have sub-folders. -- Andy Philpotts Using The Bat! v2.01 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mark as junk in rules ?
Is there a way to automatically Mark as junk a mail using a rule ? I'm reporting spam via a specific rule and would like also to mark it as junk in order to fil my bayesian filter... I'm not going to respond to the question, since I do not have a good answer, but I might question this policy. I have this situation myself, as my mailbox host correctly tags some small percentage of my SPAM. I thought about doing just what you suggest, but at the end of the day decided to simply move the tagged mail to my SPAM folder without running it through Bayesian. The reasoning follows. I admit this is a kind of guess on my part, and I would be interested in a contrary explanation. I suspect that since the Bayesian filter learns, you may not want it learning stuff that you have other means of detecting. All I think you will do is make it try to duplicate the work done elsewhere, and it will be filled with words it does not really need or want to know about. -- Andy Philpotts Using The Bat! v2.01 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re : Mark as junk in rules ?
Hello, A will do is make it try to duplicate the work done elsewhere, and A it will be filled with words it does not really need or want to A know about. That's a good reflexion... I'm not good enough with Bayesian filter to know what's the good solution... But not marking SPAM as Junk will also fill the filter with bad data ? Am I wrong ? My speculation is that it will continue to think of the e-mail as good. Maybe this is where my grand theory goes to hell in a hand-basket! Now I don't know what to do, or how to do it! -- Andy Philpotts Using The Bat! v2.01 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to apply simple action to message?
I want to quickly and easily (hopefully just a hotkey) forward a message to a fixed address, mark it as read, and move it to a particular folder. How can I do this with TheBat? (I'm using 2.0 Beta 6) -- Andy Earn cash in your spare time -- blackmail friends Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello all. OK, assuming you've not filtered out my email completely because I'm using Outlook 2000 :-), I have a question (or two). I've just found The Bat!, test-installed it (latest as of yesterday, 1.62 is it?), and it looks good, but it seems to me that a move from one email client to another will be a massive investment of my time. 1. Is it worth it? (OK, I know you're all going to say yes!) 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? Some small examples seem to be that: - I cannot open different folders at once in different windows - I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them - I cannot import OL filter rules (OK that's a one shot problem, but I do have loads) - I cannot export folders back to OL .PST files - this makes a migration more risky I'd be glad of any workarounds to these, plus feedback on the questions above. I've also not been massively impressed with stability / quality. The uninstaller doesn't work, for a start, and I've had a few 'crashes' (didn't bother recording the details...) Thoughts on this? cheers__Andy__ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
inbox-known ?
Hello list Probably a stupid question, but what is the purpose of the Inbox-Known folder which was created automatically on installation? -- Best regards, Andy Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Undeliverable mail to list
Hello list Can anybody explain what's going on here? I've probably made some stupid mistake, but I have just received the following error message for each of my posts to the list last week. quote Received: from [62.72.223.29] (helo=svrmsp01.whepp.nl) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17UuhQ-0003Oc-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:43:00 +0100 Received: from mail1.whepp.nl ([10.248.24.131]) by svrmsp01.whepp.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GZES3N00.62X for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:42:59 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mail Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mail Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:42:13 +0200 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; Boundary_ _= 3713073(21281+5972480) Status: This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was not reachable within the allowed queue period. The amount of time a message is queued before it is returned depends on local configura- tion parameters. Most likely there is a network problem that prevented delivery, but it is also possible that the computer is turned off, or does not have a mail system running right now. The queue containing messages destined for Mailbox-Deliver was expired by the Postmaster of mail1.whepp.nl. The following recipients did not receive your message: Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you feel this message to be in error. /quote Any help much appreciated -- Best regards, Andy Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
TB! in server mode
Hello list Maybe if I describe what I am trying to achieve the experts can give me some general pointers / tips. I have a small home network of 3 pc's 2 laptops which are connected to the internet using MS ICS through a server with an always on ADSL connection. Currently I use a free proxy server, JanaServer, only to collect email on the server. Individual users then collect email from the server using Eudora. I would like to replace JanaServer with TB! in server mode to collect mail periodically, and use TB! in client mode for users to collect mail on demand from any machine. I would also like to be able to display on the client pc when there is mail waiting for another user - ie not the one currently logged on. I do this at the moment using a small tray app which simply checks the Jana mail folder contents because Jana stores mail as individual files in .EML format. I think this is not so easy in TB!? Any and all suggestions tips and advice is much appreciated. -- Best regards, Andy Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: TB! in server mode
ACM Why do you wish to make the change to TB! as the server? It may not be ACM the best solution. A specialist mail-server would very likely serve ACM your needs better. I have a problem which could be caused by Jana or Eudora I cannot find which one. I thought that using the same software for server and client maybe more stable. The support for TB! is certainly far superior to the others. Is the server mode of TB! not fully implemented? Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: TB! in server mode
AR Date: 13 July 2002, Time: 11:30 AR Hi Andy, On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, at 11:21:44 [GMT +0100] (11:21 where I live) you wrote: AR Ok its not strictly TB! related - but have a look at www.e-smith.org to AR replace the server with ICS... AR Its what I use and it is very very good Thanks for the suggestion, I wanted to use linux from the start but support for my usb adsl modem, which I have to use, is very limited and does not exist in e-smith. Andy Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: TB! in server mode
AR Date: 13 July 2002, Time: 12:44 AR Hi Andy, On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, at 12:40:54 [GMT +0100] (12:40 where I live) you wrote: AR Date: 13 July 2002, Time: 11:30 AR Hi Andy, On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, at 11:21:44 [GMT +0100] (11:21 where I live) you wrote: AR Ok its not strictly TB! related - but have a look at www.e-smith.org to AR replace the server with ICS... AR Its what I use and it is very very good AM Thanks for the suggestion, I wanted to use linux from the AM start but support for my usb adsl modem, which I have to AM use, is very limited and does not exist in e-smith. AR Good point AR Does it have an ethernet port on it as well, I know a few I've seen (such as AR NTL's one) have an ethernet port as well... No ethernet port :( - its the standard alcatel frog AR Saying that mind, e-smith 5.5 has just been released and I notice it now has AR USB stuff in it.. Have just looked again at the release notes - cant find a refference to usb but it does say the kernal has not been updated AR I'm only jealous cause Im stuck on 56k and BT's response to my exchange being AR enabled is something like hahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah - NO Don't want to rub it in but BT installed ADSL for me in January but BTO haven't started charging me for it yet :)) Andy Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: TB! in server mode
AM I have a problem which could be caused by Jana or Eudora I AM cannot find which one. ACM As a test you could really then use TB! in server mode to see if your ACM problem goes away. I think I will give it a try and see what happens. AM I thought that using the same software for server and client maybe AM more stable. The support for TB! is certainly far superior to the AM others. Is the server mode of TB! not fully implemented? ACM It is but it's not a specialist server. If it servers your needs OK, ACM then by all means use it. If you need advanced mailserver features ACM then TB! will not offer this. I dont need advanced features - just auto forwarding and auto-responder would be good. Really I just need something which is stable and easy to setup. btw I am also new to mailing lists - please tell me if my netiquette is lacking in any way Andy Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Create shortcut to log on user
Hello list Is it possible to create a shortcut with a command line parameter to log on a particular user in a multi-user environment when starting TB! ? -- Best regards, Andy Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Strange file attachments
Hi list people Just joined as I am trying out The Bat - v impressed so far. I noticed the strange extensions on the first mail received, so did a little investigating. Yes I use ZA pro and No its *not* the cause in this case. The problem only occurs on mail with attachments sent via Eudora. (you know that other program - the one with zero support). Idon't know whether the header is malformed by Eudora, or incorrectly parsed on the semi-colons by TB!, maybe a thread for the tech list? Sorry about not posting using TB!, but I'm not confident enough to switch just yet. Andy
Deleting Mail
When I delete an email or an attachment from a folder, what happens to it? How is it removed from my hard disk? I've dug through TheBat help file but if the answer is there I missed it. Thanks, Andy Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
%COMPANY Macro?
Hi folks, I'm working on a mass mailing and I would like to insert the recipient's Company name into the text. However when I use %COMPANY only a blank space appears in each of the emails. I have made sure that the recipient's Company name does exist under the business tab of the Address entry. Is %COMPANY a valid macro? If not, how would I insert the Company name into the mass mail template? If it is valid, what could be happeneing? Thanks for your help! Andy Fluke Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Using FIlters Properly
Hi folks, I'm new to this list and I suppose my question is one that has been asked before. I've been using The Bat for a couple years now and I haven't figured out how to use filters properly. I use filters to move Incoming Mail into other directories, mostly into the Trash in the case of pesky spam. But sometimes the filter seems to fail and the email that should be shuttled into another directory is put in the Inbox instead even though the filter has worked on occassion. Is this common? Have I failed to configure something correctly? Any help would be appreciated. Thank-you in advance. Andy Fluke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
TB HTML
Does TB compose send new messages in Plain Text only ? No HTML. Thanks Andy Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: delete msg from server - BUG?
Hi Peter, I'm using it, but I did think about it yet ... I've done some testings and can only state it works. Thanks for testing. Pretty strange that it works for you. I've tested it a few times with different configurations and it _never_ deleted any mails from the server. I am using TheBat 1.53t - maybe that's my mistake? Is the current Betaversion stable enough to try it? Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Bill Gates: (from: http://www.cantrip.org/nobugs.html) There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: delete msg from server - BUG?
Hi Roelof, thanks, so I guess noone is using this feature. I suppose the reason for not using it is that it doesn't work. :-) How do I file a bug report? Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Intelligence has nothing to do with politics. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: delete msg from server - BUG?
A few days ago I asked this and noone replied. :-( Does that mean that noone knows or that noone cares? Maybe some kind soul who has successfully managed to do it that way could drop me a few lines, plase? I have the impression that the mail management option Delete message from server when it is removed from Trash doesn't work. I tried it with IMAP4 and POP3, but it is never deleted from the server. Could it be that I am doing anything wrong or is this a BUG? Thanks so much, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Don't claim that you know everything - besides not being true, it's very irritating to those of us who do. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
delete msg from server - BUG?
Hi! I have the impression that the mail management option Delete message from server when it is removed from Trash doesn't work. I tried it with IMAP4 and POP3, but it is never deleted from the server. Could it be that I am doing anything wrong or is this a BUG? Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v The Briggs/Chase Law of Program Development: To determine how long it will take to write and debug a program, take your best estimate, multiply that by two, add one, and convert to the next higher units. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: What is X-UIDL?
Hi Roelof, It's a header used by mailing lists to identify to which subscriber the message was sent to. That makes it possible to recognise the intended recipient when a message bounces. Lots of mailing lists insert the name and address of the list in the To: header, so that info can't be used. Hm, I don't think this is correct. As far as I know this header is inserted by the imap or pop server. Wait a second, I'll search on google: http://www.claws-and-paws.com/spam-l/blocking.html X-UIDL There is a feature of the POP3 protocol, (which is used to download e-mail from your ISP) where you can issue a command called UIDL which will generate unique identifiers for each message where results in that header being written into the message. So, if your POP3 client doesn't add those in (like mine), you can safely filter on them. Here's a valid header, for reference: X-UIDL: b07a13a309dff618f53a09eeb9b966cc There are more headers that are being used like this, it's software dependant. Though X-UIDL is often encountered in spam, it's not restricted to spam. (Unfortunately.) But it _IS_ possible to discover spam just analyzing the headers. There are various clues. And combining them, a pretty good estimate can be done. Spamassassin does that for example and it works great. Since the day I've installed it only _one_ SPAM got through to my inbox. :-) Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v It's Friday, so I'll go to work early...even before lunch! (from BOfH) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
StrongBat?
Hi, where can I find more info on StrongBat? Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Dogs come when they're called; cats take a message and get back to you later. --Mary Bly -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: StrongBat?
Except some mentions on this list - nowhere. So far. So, it only exists in theory??? :-) The Bat! = No protection AuthenticBat! = Logon protection StrongBat!= MailBase encryption SecureBat!= Logon protection + MailBase encryption That's exactly why I ask. Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Your picture of the world often changes just before you get it into focus. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: automatic encryption of message file
Hi Peter, Andy: I have to admit I was wrong. No problem. Good to see that there are still people out there who can admit their mistakes. A rare attitude these days. :-( is stronger than before implemented in 'StrongBat!' and 'SecureBat!' Please tell me more about StrongBat. Never heard about it before. SecureBat sounds great, but is too expensive for me right now. :-( Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Death to all fanatics! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
automatic encryption of message file
Hi Batters, I thought that I had read somewhere that TB encrypts the message files (messages.tb*) so that noone can read my mails just opening these files. But my TB doesn't seem to do this. I can see all of the text when I open messages.tbb with notetab or any other editor. Can this be done and how, please? Thanks a lot for any hint or pointer, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Nobody wants to know what you're doing until you're doing something that you don't want anyone to know. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: automatic encryption of message file
Hi Peter, With using 'SecureBat!'. http://www.ritlabs.com/securebat/index.html Sure, but I am pretty sure I read something like this in a mail or on the website of TB, but now I can't find it anymore. An alternative would be using PGPDisk and putting mail base on a PGP secured 'virtual' drive. Hm, thanks for the idea. Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Hiroshima 45, Tschernobyl 86, Windows 98 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: automatic encryption of message file
Hi Peter and Jernej, Maybe you're mixing up having read about 'compressing' and 'encrypting' message base ... ?!? Hm, at least that sounds very interesting. How would that be done? AFAIK, it did until 1.42 when the messages base format was changed. Maybe that's the solution. ,- [ TB versions ] | The Bat! = No protection | AuthenticBat! = Logon protection | StrongBat!= MailBase encryption StrongBat??? Never heard of it? Where can I find more info on that? Thanks to both of you, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Noone is useless. He can at least serve as a bad example. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Norton detects Virus in TBB file - please help
S What else does compression do? Nothing else. It compresses the database (mail ~) by _real_ deleting messages marked for deletion. That way it decreases the size of message base by _real_ taking out the content, while 'Delete' only sets a flag and does not decrease the (physical) size by one bit. Is there a way to delete these flags so that the deleted message reappear? Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v A feature is a bug with seniority. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hi Pit, I don't know if you're able to check this out right now as I see you only posting with mutt, but give: Sure can. VMware makes it even possible without leaving my comfy seat. :-) Account / Properties / Templates / Forward / Use MIME standard for forwarding a try :-) Ahh, great. Really too bad that some of the good features of TB are hard to find. I don't know which version exactly introduced the 'Alternative Forward' option but that option (to find either in menu Message / Specials or Ai, didn't find that either. in current Beta menu Specials directly) Good idea! While we're at it. Is there a way to make on exit: compress the folder be default for ALL my folders? I often forget setting this option when I create a new folder and end up wondering myself. Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Never apologize for showing feeling. When you do so, you apologize for the truth. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Pit, I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called. I suppose you are one of the programmers, right? But I do know there is no such options you'd like to use. Really too bad. It would be very useful. To you, too, once you get used to the feeling, believe me. You I think you will argue with me, this _is_ a complex thing you'd like to see realized. I'll give it a try. :-) I don't see why that would be so difficult. The only challange is to merge the headers of the mails being replied to. Why is that so difficult? To say something to your last sentence: why the heck everybody brings out this 'configurable option' if there's something that's wanted and it is told that this maybe will not come. That's human, isn't it? Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring everything_ means? Yep, I sure do know what I am talking about. Since many years I am mainly using Unix and I think the many configuration options are one of THE strength of all unix programs. If there's something I don't like or like different, I'll simply configure it differently. :-) Not only you have to double or triple the development time for having as much as possible configurable, no ... you also double or triple time for bug finding, human error detecting because everybody has it's own system. That's true, but _only_ in the non-public-domain world. Open up your source code and the whole world will help you find the bugs. Well, I guess that's a little off topic now. Just wanted to mention that your statements only apply to this part of the software world. Additionally: you can't make configurable everything without loosing function. I completely disagree. It is quite _impossible_ to have the same function 'static' and in conjunction with 'configure around 50-100 parameters as you like, all effecting this function'. Impossible would mean that noone could do it, right? If that's correct, you are wrong. Take almost ANY unix mail client but especially mutt. It has so many configurable options you can hardly count them. And it works just great. So all but impossible. ;-) Everybody that listened in mathematic lessons only 1% of time should know: the more options/parameters the bigger the amount of possible results. I agree. So all what you need here is more people that participate in testing and bug finding. That too is mathematics: the more testers the less bugs. :-) We this end we all can see and marvel in dozens of wonderful products from Redmond: No,no,no,no, please don't compare ANY software with the huge bugs MS is spreading out over the world. Anyone can do better than GatesCo. I'd like to see TB! staying small. Not in funtion; in size needed on disk. This is only possible if there's a deadline of 'customization'. Hm, small you say. Fine, one more time my comparison with mutt: I just counted the diskspace of it: 523 KB Okay, including all used dynamic libraries which doesn't make much sense, but what the heck: 2.3 MB Then I counted the diskspace used by TheBat directory (subtracting the Mail directory of course): 7 MB (I have no idea what other DLLs TheBat uses so I couldn't add that) Well ... I think nobody else is interested, but for the archive I had to write this mail :-) Just for being able to say I've already written this ages ago! *ggg* Dito. Here again, I completely agree with you, hehe. Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v With your one remaining eye, please do NOT look back into the laser msg31520/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Allie, AS I would have expected that if I mark various mails and hit reply AS that I get all of them quoted. In a single message?! Wow. I'd expect a separate reply message containing quoted text for each of the messages I selected. No, that's pretty useless. If I want that behavior I hit reply every single one. One by one. There's no use in opening all these windows the same time, because I can't fill them out at once anyway. :-) If only one message is generated, how should the header information be filled out? Do you wish for it to be blank. Do you wish for all the sender addresses for each of those messages to be inserted in the To: field of the single reply containing 'all' the quoted material? Yes, that's exactly what I'd consider useful. A most unusual requirement this is. :-) I don't think so. Mutt (my unix mailclient) does this and it's a commonly used feature. Well, I guess I have to live with it, i.e. without it. Too bad. Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v To make mistakes is human; to stumble is commonplace; to be able to laugh at yourself is maturity. -- William Arthur Ward -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hi Roelof, Actually the Resent-headers aren't important for the delivery of the message. You're misinterpreting their function. Hm, I think you are right about that! I tried it with sendmail -t, but in that case sendmail probably just reads the Resent-headers and uses them to generate an smtp-envelope. Your problem is that TB alters the headers of redirected messages, Yep. :-( In my view your wishes are more something for a server than a client, but who am I. ;-) Depends on how you see it. Sometimes I work like the server. :-) A feature request can be sent to: RITLABS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior. - Hippolyte Taine -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Carsten, Do you really want to _reply_ more than one mail at once? Yes. I think what you actually want to do is forwarding the contents of several mails. I think what you think is that you think you know what I think, but you don't. You can mark some mails and do an 'alternative forwarding' (MIME-forward). Does this help a bit? No, I want to reply, e.g. very often I have 5 mails from a friend of mine and I don't want to reply with 5 mails, but with all the answers in one. Well, it just doesn't work that way in TB. :-( Bye, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Linux vs. Windows is a no-Win situation -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
how do I bounce a message?
Hi again, another short one: How do I bounce a message so that the From: and To: Lines don't change? Under Linux I use mutt and elm and they have this great bounce feature that resends the message without changing the original mail. It just adds these header lines: Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:58:43 -0500 Resent-To: Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] In TheBat I don't find anything similar. Its resending feature always changes the To: line, the date, etc. Thanks for any hint, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v When Marriage is Outlawed, only Outlaws will have Inlaws. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi flying Batters :-) just a quick question about TheBat! which I really learned to love: How do I reply to more than one mail so that I get the text of all the original mails nicely quoted? Thanks a lot, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? A: Shoot him. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hi Marck, The trouble is, if you received a message then the To: line is to you. If you resend it still To: you then it does a boomerang. As far as I know this is incorrect. If there are Resent- headers then the To: line is ignored. I just tried it. 1) Using an SMTP remailer to place an envelope around the message with a different delivery target. (TB is not one of these). 2) MIME forward the entire message as an attachment. And 3) just put Resent- headers in and refeed it to the smtp server. Other than that Redirect is as close as you get. But it changes ALL the header lines. :-(( Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate !! msg31491/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Dave, How do I reply to more than one mail so that I get the text of all the original mails nicely quoted? Reply to one email. Copy text to clipboard from a different email. Go back to your reply and click Edit / Paste as Quotation or hit Alt-Insert. Hehe, good joke. Sure that works and that's how I always do it in lack of a real solution. I would have expected that if I mark various mails and hit reply that I get all of them quoted. So you are saying there's no way to do that? Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v The product is seldom as good as the advertisement. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Andrew, Hmmm. I think maybe what Andy wants is some kind of automated-reply. You can set up mail filters that do this. Am I right? No :-) What I want is forward a mail without changing any part of the mail not even the headers. What TheBats redirect does is close but it changes all the headers. Even the To: line. Maybe you wonder why I need this. Well, an example: I work in a small radio here in Peru and we have a general email address for requests, comments etc. So my wife - who gets all these mails - decides who is best to receive and process this mail and bounces it to that person. So far this works with the redirect feature, too. But if the recipient wants to see where this mail really came from, at which address it was directed or any other part that can be seen in the headers, he can't. Just the From and Reply-To line are still the same. Not even the Received lines or the Message-ID are kept. :-( Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v I'm not afraid of storms, for I'm learning to sail my ship. -- Louisa May Alcott -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Dave and Roelof, I didn't realize I was joking. :-) That's always been a very adequate solution for me. OTOH replying to multiple emails with one reply is not something I do a million times a day. Well a few times a week still is often enough for such a feature. I just did it right now so that I don't have to write 2 mails responding to the two of you. So you are saying there's no way to do that? I would be expecting comment from some of the more expert members of the list if there were another solution :) Hello experts, where are you? :-) AS a real solution. I would have expected that if I mark various mails and AS hit reply that I get all of them quoted. You're getting them quoted, but in separate messages, as it should be. Hm, as it should be is pretty subjective. My should be is pretty different. Normally this a sure sign for a configurable option. Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Harrisberger's Fourth Law of the Lab: Experience is directly proportional to the amount of equipment ruined. msg31503/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hi Marck, RFC822 says: 4.5. RECEIVER FIELDS 4.5.1. TO / RESENT-TO This field contains the identity of the primary recipients of the message. It says nothing about mutual exclusivity, which means that if both are present then the To: field would be used for routing in addition to the Resent-To:. Wait a moment, you have to read the whole RFC: :-) 4.2. FORWARDING Some systems permit mail recipients to forward a message, retaining the original headers, by adding some new fields. This standard supports such a service, through the Resent- prefix to field names. To me this does say something about mutual exclusivity. Besides that's how sendmail does it and always has done it. It never happened to me that the address from the To: line was used again. Using TB, we don't get control over that - it's just taken from the To: field or even just left to the SMTP server to siphon out of the various destination address fields and place in the RCPT TO: envelope header. Great, so all we'd have TB make do is add the Resent-To line and make it feed the whole mail to the smtp server. Do you see anyway to do that? If not how and where could I make such a feature request? 2) MIME forward the entire message as an attachment. Eh, by the way, how do you MIME-forward a message with TB. I don't see to be able to find that option. My TB always does an inline-forward. :-( Other than that Redirect is as close as you get. AS But it changes ALL the header lines. :-(( Well, the To: and the Date: ... nothing else that I can see. Nope, ALL the headers except From, Subject and Reply-to. Here's an example: Here is the original message: | From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 13 19:57:52 2001 | Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Received: from hamster.int.radiomaranon.org.pe (spiegl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) | by localhost (8.12.0.Beta12/8.12.0.Beta12/Debian 8.12.0.Beta12) with ESMTP |id fBE0vqPS012508 | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:57:52 -0500 | Received: (from spiegl@localhost) | by hamster.int.radiomaranon.org.pe (8.12.0.Beta12/8.12.0.Beta12/Debian |8.12.0.Beta12) id fBE0vq8R012506 | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:57:52 -0500 | X-Authentication-Warning: hamster.int.radiomaranon.org.pe: spiegl set sender to |[EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f | Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:57:52 -0500 | From: Dr. Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Heidi Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Testing 1 2 3 | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mime-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 | Content-Disposition: inline | User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i | X-PGP-GPG-Keys: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR mail -s send pgp [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Organization: Radio =?iso-8859-1?B?TWFyYfHzbiw=?= Peru | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit | X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by |hamster.int.radiomaranon.org.pe id fBE0vqPS012508 | | [body] After a redirect: | From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 13 20:04:55 2001 | Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Received: from schleppie.int.radiomaranon.org.pe (schleppie.int.radiomaranon.org.pe |[192.168.96.2]) | by pinguino.int.radiomaranon.org.pe (8.12.0.Beta12/8.12.0.Beta12/Debian |8.12.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id fBE14tPS012757 | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:04:55 -0500 | Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:06:45 -0500 | From: Dr. Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] | X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53bis) Personal | Reply-To: Dr. Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmFkaW8gTWFyYfHzbiwgUGVydQ==?= | X-Priority: 3 (Normal) | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Testing 1 2 3 redirect | X-Sender: Heidi Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit | | [body] There is hardly _anything_ left over. :-( Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker? (George Carlin, US comedian) msg31504/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Multiple Windows from mailto: clicks
1. I am new to The Bat!, but it rocks. 2. I noticed I (like others) was getting multiple (about 70) IE Windows when i clicked on a mailto: hyperlink (in any program). 3. How I solved it (on my computer): Go to (I am using IE 6) Tools--Internet Options Under the Programs tab -- By Email - Use the drop down menu and choose The Bat! I hope this helps! -andy WinXP - The Bat! 1.53d - IE -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
howto: global address book( MSexchange )
Hello, Could You please tell me how can I use global address book from MSexchange server in the Bat! ? I'm pretty tied from using MSoutlook and want to use normal client on work too... But I do need to have global adr, book and i have no idea how i can do this :( Thank You Andy -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
RE: howto: global address book( MSexchange )
Thank You. Thank You Andy -Original Message- From: Syafril Hermansyah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: howto: global address book( MSexchange ) Hello Zyman, Andy, On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 at 13:55:29 GMT -0400 (which was 9/20/2001 12:55 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : Could You please tell me how can I use global address book from MSexchange server in the Bat! ? I'm pretty tied from using MSoutlook and want to use normal client on work too... But I do need to have global adr, book and i have no idea how i can do this :( Ask your Administrator to activate LDAP on Exchange then use TB! LDAP address book to access/synch. -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: How can I write HTML mails with TB! ?
(about web-based e-mail)
Hotmail is a great thing! Mainly for having an address to pop into
every 'enter email address here' box on websites (even for downloading
Real Player), so it can suck down SPAM, instead of my main account
doing it. Also great for getting newsletters (CNET Digital Dispatch -
weekly... HTML formatted, and grateful).
-Andy
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Thursday, August 09, 2001, 1:08:30 PM, you wrote:
MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP Hash: SHA1
MDP Hi Igbar,
MDP On 09 August 2001 at 09:42:30 -0700 (which was 17:42 where I live)
MDP Igbar Foosenhopper wrote to Dave Gorman and made these points:
IF Could you explain to me how HTML is a security risk. Please give
IF me the HTML commands which pos the risk.
MDP Here's a couple for you:
MDP img src=
MDP script language=
MDP The acquisition of an external image is a huge security risk, opening
MDP a direct channel between your PC and the host. It's okay when you're
MDP browsing, but when you're reading mail? No thanks! Email reading is an
MDP off-line activity. Browsing is an online one. rant HTML mail is an
MDP unacceptable cross-over of the two separate domains and is an
MDP abomination which should be resisted in any greater form than a simple
MDP enriching mode. Even that is a waste of bandwidth. /rant
MDP As for script ..., well - did you say hello to Mellisa and I Love
MDP You, on the way in? Couple that kind of breach with the power of the
MDP I-SirCam or some such worm and you're in deep trouble.
MDP Having said that, it is clear that the 1.54 beta series is heading for
MDP a more comprehensive HTML support and may well introduce some simple
MDP HTML mail authoring capabilities sigh.
MDP - --
MDP Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user
MDP ~~~
MDP \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com /
MDP \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com /
MDP TB! v1.54 Beta/5-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2
MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
MDP Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32)
MDP Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness
MDP iD8DBQE7csOPOeQkq5KdzaARAvDgAJ9rcGFo5Byr7I/KkIEA8pz48txGCACeNsT5
MDP oa+07vDWufLJPhs2KQ2MasY=
MDP =Tmcb
MDP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Re[2]: Sending messages
That's not exactly the problem (just to clarify)...
The worm brought down the server to
most attempts, so after you try and send it once, and it fails, it
just sits in the outbox until you Click to send it again... In cases
like this, I'd like to just walk away and know that TB! will keep
trying without me.
As far as your problem... when I click SEND it sends all the messages
in the Outbox... sure, if you open that specific message and send just
that I can understand why it wouldn't send other messages in the
Outbox... if you wanted to send them all, you use the SEND on the
toolbar.
-Andy
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Friday, August 03, 2001, 8:51:49 AM, you wrote:
MK On Friday, August 03, 2001, 12:10:32 AM, Andy Lurig wrote:
How frequently does The Bat! try and send messages (my SMTP sever is
up and down cuz of the work going around)? I don't want to have to
click it, I just wish it would retry... Only thing I can think of is
checking the SEND+RECEIVE Combined Delivery option in Properties, and
then configuring TB! go check mail every couple of minutes. There has
got to be another way... anyone?
-Andy
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MK I reported a similar bug report to RIT Labs about this the other day.
MK If the SMTP mail server is unresponsive, messages queued in the Outbox
MK are not sent when you are able to successfully send e-mail messages
MK through the SMTP mail sever. You have to double-click on the messages
MK in the Outbox and click Send on each one. Seems like The Bat! would
MK know that if there are queued messages in the Outbox and other
MK messages are successfully sent out through the SMTP mail server, the
MK queued messages would automatically get sent too.
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A few issues... *help*
Hi there! Having a few issues with The Bat Configuration, and haven't found anything in the FAQ or Help files, or the Archive. 1) Mailto: opens The Bat! however, does not open a blank message (like it should), doesn't even work if I have The Bat! already open... thoughts? I use Opera 5.12 2) In my Folder/New/Total Pane, I noticed the 12 (57) for Inbox... I assume this is 12 total messages (all 'read'), but 59 confuses me... The Trash is empty, so I don't understand while it's 'holding on' to this number... thoughts on fixing this? 3) What's with .MSG files? HTML files will 'tab' themselves below my message (which is great, since this is a major habit of Hotmail and AOL users), but this isn't the case for .msg files. I have to double-click the attachment (I have it set to display attachments on the left side of the message) to be able to view it... This is incredilby inconvenient that it opens a whole new message window just to do this, when It could treat it like a .htm file, for quick viewing. Is this a configuration issue or something that needs to be in the next version? 4) I love The Bat!, and I thank you in advance for any and all responses. -Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A few issues... *help* -update-
***Ignore #2... Figured it out (big 'L' on forehead)*** -Andy - - - - - Monday, July 30, 2001, 2:55:14 AM, you wrote: AL Hi there! Having a few issues with The Bat Configuration, and haven't AL found anything in the FAQ or Help files, or the Archive. AL 1) Mailto: opens The Bat! however, does not open a blank message (like AL it should), doesn't even work if I have The Bat! already open... AL thoughts? I use Opera 5.12 AL 2) In my Folder/New/Total Pane, I noticed the 12 (57) for Inbox... I AL assume this is 12 total messages (all 'read'), but 59 confuses me... AL The Trash is empty, so I don't understand while it's 'holding on' to AL this number... thoughts on fixing this? AL 3) What's with .MSG files? HTML files will 'tab' themselves below my AL message (which is great, since this is a major habit of Hotmail and AL AOL users), but this isn't the case for .msg files. I have to AL double-click the attachment (I have it set to display attachments on AL the left side of the message) to be able to view it... This is AL incredilby inconvenient that it opens a whole new message window just AL to do this, when It could treat it like a .htm file, for quick AL viewing. Is this a configuration issue or something that needs to be AL in the next version? AL 4) I love The Bat!, and I thank you in advance for any and all AL responses. AL -Andy AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: mailto issues (ATTN: Devid)
**Notice** I added the mailto:... stuff to the end of the 'External Mail Client' in Opera (I suppose those are command line options built into The Bat!), and it works now. Thanks! I suppose this is still an issue to be looked at by the RIT Techs. -Andy - - - - - Monday, July 30, 2001, 6:45:20 AM, you wrote: DV Hello TBUDL, DV is The Bat! version 1.53o an official release? DV http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: A few issues... (Devid)
It's already set as the external client... Here is a wierd issue: Though the internet options in IE say that The Bat is the default email client, a mailto: brings up an error stating that the default email program is misconfigured and the request cannot be done. Also, in Opera, I can't choose Default email client because it is blank. I had check if the bat is default on startup, and clicked Yes, make default when it loaded... so I don't know what else to do to configure it as the 'default'. Also, anyone know about #3? OR should that get mailed as a 'suggestion' for the next version of Opera? -Andy - - - - - Monday, July 30, 2001, 4:36:27 AM, you wrote: DV Hello TBUDL, DV On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:55:14 -0400 (which was 08:55:14 in DV Brussels) Andy Lurig wrote: 1) Mailto: opens The Bat! however, does not open a blank message (like it should), doesn't even work if I have The Bat! already open... thoughts? I use Opera 5.12 DV Try using the external client instead of the system default: DV C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe mailto:%t?Subject=%sBody=%m -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: What's new?
Hasn't anyone DL'd the 'o' version and read the release notes? or did they not release them? If so... please post to the Listserv. I'd do it myself, but my test box is in use at the moment by my roomie. -Andy (Proud new addition to the ROGUES picture gallery) - - - - - Monday, July 30, 2001, 11:10:09 PM, you wrote: TF Hi Attila, TF On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:29:46 +0200GMT (31/07/2001, 06:29 +0800GMT), TF Lang Attila D. wrote: LAD Probably I missed the 1.53o what's new file somewhere; it isn't LAD out on the website nor at the beta page. Does the list know LAD what've been changed up from 1.53d? TF Some fixes with PGP handling. Don't know further details. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Deleting large messages
Hi all, Just discovered a mix of setting which seems a bit risky to me. If you have an account set to delete messages from server once retrieved, and also set to not receive messages over x size. When a message arrives over that size, TB just retrieves the header and deletes the message, without giving you an option of retirieving it if you wish to. Have I done something wrong here, is there an option to delete messages from the server, but also not to delete all large messages, just those that you want to? -- Best regards Andy Using The Bat Ver 1.47 Halloween Edition On Windows NT 5 Build 2195 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Address book reply queries
Hi again, Sorry, I have two queries. 1. I did a search using my address book on an LDAP server, got a couple of results, but now all the entries in my personal local address book have disappeared. 2. I know I can use F4 to quote selected text in a reply, but how do I do this if I want to "reply all" as opposed to just reply? TIA -- Best regards Andy Using The Bat Ver 1.47 Halloween Edition On Windows NT 5 Build 2195 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
