Re: Gmail issues...

2005-10-11 Thread Ben Mills

Michael Acklin wrote:

Hello Thorvald,



Can anybody confirm using this list (or TBBETA) AND a Gmail account
that his mails to the list do not get resend to oneself?



Yes I can confirm. I see this all the time and I am on a lot of
different list. Gmail does not send they mail you sent to the list.


There is a bunch of things you can't do with Gmail. It won't deliver 
responder messages either. Maybe they're concerned about loops.




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Re: where is the FTP site?

2003-08-04 Thread Ben Mills
At 04:51 PM 8/4/2003 +0100, you wrote:


novice question:

where is 'the FTP site' (RE: English Dictionary 3/8/03) and how does
one use it?
ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/

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Re: Ot: mail servers?

2003-08-04 Thread Ben Mills
At 04:43 PM 8/4/2003 +0200, you wrote:

Hi Bat! people,
As i am thinking about getting a domain i also think about getting my
own mail server software. Could anyone advice on a free or low cost
solution that could work under Win XP?
If you don't think this belongs here, please feel free to email me
using the email address in the signature.
TIA!
Ipswitch has a free six user server. It's a stripped down version of their 
$1500 Imail server.

This is OT for the list. But if you wish to talk about what all is involved 
in setting up a server, email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Ben


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Re: I've Asked Several Times

2003-07-21 Thread Ben Mills
At 01:29 AM 7/22/2003 +0200, you wrote:
On Monday, July 21, 2003, 23:51:48, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

 It might, but I can be as childish as the next guy when riled. I've
 put the guy on moderated and written him a shirty private mail
Be careful, he might complain at your ISP... I've had problems with this a
few times, and I once almost lost my account because I wrote a bit heated
message to a guy who was spamming a mailing list.
Unlikely. He was spamming the list and I doubt that his email provider 
would approve. As you can see, the domain grouppac.com is just a virtual 
domain on cp.net's mail server.

For those in the US, cp.net has a toll-free number 877.441.PATH .

I nearly called them myself to complain.

inbound.grouppac.com.criticalpath.net claims to be host smtp.c011.snv.cp.net




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RE:re Rafi Avital

2003-07-21 Thread Ben Mills
At 06:42 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Folks,

Excuse me, but I have NEVER sent the message referenced under the
title re Rafi Avital - I know better than that.
Besides I have just subscribed a few days ago, still find quite a lot
of useful info in this list, I have no reason to unsubscribe.
My apologies if this clarification causes even more confusion, just
want to be clear, I have never sent that message.
Thank you and best regards to all
The spam was coming from Auke Beerschoten of 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]grouppac.com .  At least that's what I saw here.






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Re: Signature Verification in GnuPG seems to be useless

2003-07-20 Thread Ben Mills
Hello Rafi,

Sunday, July 20, 2003, 12:48:28 AM, you wrote:

RA I admit this is exactly what happens when I try to verify this with
RA GPG.EXE on the command line.  However, this kind of verification works
RA perfectly with Eudora.
RA (I am not looking for trouble or advertizing Eudora, in fact I don't
RA even like it that much which is why I'm considering TB.  I am just
RA reporting the facts as I see them).
There are a few compliance issues with TB. In my case, it was necessary to 
use alternate port TLS for SMTP. This was because my dial-up ISP blocks 
port 25, so I couldn't connect to my own mail server. TB didn't read the 
server's certificate correctly, but Eudora and most other mail clients do 
fine with it.

I've used TB for years and prefer it over Eudora and the MS products. 
Hopefully these issues get resolved in future TB versions. But for now, at 
least in my case, I usually read my mail on TB, then, in the case of 
replies, paste it over on Eudora to send.

Maybe you'll come up with a better resolution to your problem than I have. 
TB is a very fine product with just a few rough edges.

Be well,
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Re[2]: TB listed as Bulk Mailer

2003-06-30 Thread Ben Mills
Hello Allie,

Monday, June 30, 2003, 4:31:12 AM, you wrote:


TF Just recommend to the user you try to contact that his company needs
TF to drop that piece of software. It is dangerous for their business,
TF as it obviously loses all mail sent by this professional email
TF client. What other legitimate mail does it lose?

AM The extremely annoying thing about this issue is that there are so many
AM ways to fight spam that doesn't involve having to do sweeping filtering
AM methods such as filtering out mail sent by a particular mail client.
AM It's just ridiculous. The ignorance level among 'experts' who should
AM know better is just stunning to behold. sigh

Isn't there a program which will strip X-Mailer: from your outgoing
mail? I do it here, but at the server.

Many ISP's are taking draconian measures to deal with spam. AOL won't
accept email from any dsl, adsl or cable account if the domain is in
the pooled IP's--even if it's a static IP. If this, or a variant
thereof, becomes a standard, It'll ruin a bunch of small businesses
who can't afford service with vanity reverse lookup.

I don't wish to stray off topic. But my point is that the war against
spam will leave a bunch of casualties in its aftermath.

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Re[2]: TLS Connection

2003-06-16 Thread Ben Mills
Hello Maurice,

Monday, June 16, 2003, 7:04:00 AM, you wrote:


 algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 15 Jun 2013 to 14 Jun 2016,
 for 1 host(s): mail.hwy39.net. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Owner:
 Ohio, Nashville, mail, mail.hwy39.net, mail.hwy39.net,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - This certificate is
 self-issued. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Invalid server certificate
 (This certificate is not yet valid).

MS Here's your problem, the certificate the server is presenting isn't
MS valid yet. It is reported to be valid from 15 June 2013 to 14 June
MS 2016, and TB requires the certificate to be valid.

The certificate is valid from June 2003-June 2006. You can view it at
https://www.hwy39.net:80/mail . It doesn't match the site's name
because it's for mail.hwy39.net, not www.hwy39.net . Anyhow Eudora and
a couple of Linux mail clients ( Kmail maybe ) all work with it fine.
But TB isn't reading it correctly, and that's a puzzler..

Ben




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Re: TLS Connection

2003-06-16 Thread Ben Mills
At 01:14 AM 6/17/2003 +0200, you wrote:

OK, that had me jumping through some hoops as for (imho good) reason
of security Opera refuses https-connections to port 80. Had to use
Internet Explorer to get to this site; imported the certificate and it
displays OK. Exported it to DER-encoded X.509 so I could import in The
Bat!, which does indeed show the dates you saw in the log earlier.
Just for verification, I then imported the certificate that I exported
from IE into Opera to see what it showed and Opera shows yet another
set of dates: march 6, 15.01.47 2020 to june 6 14.01.47 2020.
I cannot determine what was used to generate this certificate, but it
would seem that the way the date is encoded in the certificate, is
ambiguous. I'll be using [EMAIL PROTECTED] (24-hour format) below.
Tool  IEThe Bat!  Opera
From  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47
To[EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47
It's almost as if bits of information got shifted around. Only Opera
shows the time to be listed in GMT; this could account for the '2'
difference in the time component. In the case of Opera, the year
(omitting the century) seems to have migrated to the month, the month
to the day, the day to the hours, the hours to the minutes and the
minutes to the seconds, discarding the original seconds.
The difference of 10 years in The Bat! eludes me, but I've never seen
a certificate behave this way. The fact that Opera too displays (yet
another set of) wrong dates for the certificate is in my opinion an
indication that something weird is happening with the certificate.
 Anyhow Eudora and a couple of Linux mail clients ( Kmail maybe ) all
 work with it fine.
Are they? I don't have either of these two handy so I can't check, but
how do they see the dates of the certificate. It could be that they
only check for expiration, which in the cases of both Opera and The
Bat! is way into the future here, so if an application doesn't take
the From date of the certificate into consideration, this could result
in 'working fine' when it actually just displays a flaw in those
applications.
It displays fine in Eudora and IE. Those were the only two other programs I 
have
to check it against.

The cert was generated by a utility in the server program. I have a 
contract with
Deerfield, so I'll let them figure it out. If they come up with nothing, 
I'll get into it and
see what I can determine. I can't do much this time of day because this 
thing is
running over a megabit of traffic.

Thanks for your response, I do appreciate it.

PS: I'm sending this on Eudora. I hope it doesn't go out in Html or some 
weird format

Thanks,
Ben



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Re: TLS Connection

2003-06-15 Thread Ben Mills
Hello ,

Following up on TB and TLS, here's a small portion of the TB log. My
cert is valid from june of 2003 to june 0f 2006. However TB interprets
it to be valid from 2013-2016, therefore it considers it not yet
valid.

I installed a copy of Eudora and it set up fine with TLS protocol.
Also, the cert is fine with our webmail server. Do any of you folks
have any idea regarding what's going on with TB? I'm at a loss, so
thanks up front for any assistance.

6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 17FBAD5B, algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), 
issued from 15 Jun 2013 to 14 Jun 2016, for 1 host(s): mail.hwy39.net.
6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Owner: Ohio, Nashville, mail, mail.hwy39.net, 
mail.hwy39.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - This certificate is self-issued.
6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Invalid server certificate (This certificate is not yet 
valid).
6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: +OK Ready to start 
TLS

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TLS Connection

2003-06-14 Thread Ben Mills
Hello,

Has anyone successfully used TB in TLS secure connection?

My server is TLS capable, and will operate in TLS protocol when relaying
to other TLS compliant servers. But I've never been able to connect in
TLS mode to my server with TB. There's not much in the archives
concerning this subject, so I'm soliciting help from you sharp cookies on
the list.

Be well,
Ben

  

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Re[2]: TLS Connection

2003-06-14 Thread Ben Mills
Hello Jonathan,

Saturday, June 14, 2003, 2:59:24 PM, you wrote:

JA On Saturday, June 14, 2003, Ben Mills wrote...

 Has anyone successfully used TB in TLS secure connection?

JA TLS on what? SMTP? IMAP? POP3? I'm running TLS on POP3 quite
JA successfully.  What problems are you having?

I've tried to use TLS on SMTP and POP3. So far, I've been unable to
connect with either. As you can see from the header, I relay to other
compliant MTAs in TLS, but I haven't been able to connect from mail client (TB).

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Re[2]: TLS Connection

2003-06-14 Thread Ben Mills
Hello Jonathan,

Saturday, June 14, 2003, 3:27:55 PM, you wrote:

JA On Saturday, June 14, 2003, Ben Mills wrote...

 Has anyone successfully used TB in TLS secure connection?

JA TLS on what? SMTP? IMAP? POP3? I'm running TLS on POP3 quite
JA successfully. What problems are you having?

 I've tried to use TLS on SMTP and POP3. So far, I've been unable to
 connect with either. As you can see from the header, I relay to
 other compliant MTAs in TLS, but I haven't been able to connect from
 mail client (TB).

JA Have you looked at TBs log files to see why? If the certificate is a
JA self signed certificate, TB will refuse to connect to it unless you
JA import the certificate into your trusted root CA.

I'm going to try it all over again. It's been a couple of months since
I've worked with it. My cert is ok for this domain, and it's in the
trusted root CA.

I don't recall checking the TB log; actually I forget it had a log.
I'll map the ports in the router, change TB settings, and see what I get
back from the log. I realize the fault's not with TB, it's something
in my setup.

Thanks again,
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Re[2]: 1.60j Rar file corrupted?

2002-05-06 Thread Ben Mills



Monday, May 6, 2002, 12:45:10 PM, you wrote:


t get latest Winrar or 1.90, works ok.

 Can't find where to get latest Winrar, or Beta files for 1.60j.
t http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb160j.rar

t Presumably latest winrar is on the rar website or on sites like  Fosi.
t Not sure where it is at present, as I havent been there for eges

   http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm



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Re[4]: connection centre

2002-05-06 Thread Ben Mills



Saturday, May 4, 2002, 9:31:26 PM, you wrote:


A Nope.  What Connection Centre shows is number of mailboxes, number of
A messages, how many messages in each mailbox, time elapsed.  I found you
A could try Printscreen.  But that only gives you the log 'up to that point'
A in the mailcheck.  If you are quick enough to snapshot.

Ok. I now understand what you want, but I don't know of any such
logging feature in TB. My impression was that you were needing a log for
debugging purposes. So when you mentioned that the account log was
only showing email addresses, I assumed you had the highlights only
option enabled.

Maybe somebody else can come up with more creative way of capturing
your connection center activity. But the print screen method isn't
likely a good approach.

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Re[2]: connection centre

2002-05-06 Thread Ben Mills



Monday, May 6, 2002, 1:19:32 PM, you wrote:

 Maybe somebody else can come up with more creative way of capturing
 your connection center activity. But the print screen method isn't
 likely a good approach.

 Good luck,

JA I don't know about this... but I just got unusual behavior from my
JA log views for each account.  If I open the log view from just after I
JA have sent/received email, it displays just a short list.  If I then
JA click on Highlights Only I see older stuff, but only things like the
JA person's email address that sent/posted the email, or I sent to... If
JA I then click on the Highlights only button again... I get a full
JA details log back to the time I started TB!.  I don't know if this is
JA just me/XP... or just a funny quirk.

Maybe it's an XP thing. I'm using a win2000 box and I haven't been
able to duplicate the action you describe. Mine works very
consistently as I toggle the Highlights only button.

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Re[2]: connection centre

2002-05-06 Thread Ben Mills



Monday, May 6, 2002, 2:42:45 PM, you wrote:

MAU Hello Ben,

 Maybe it's an XP thing.

MAU Nope. I've seen that in WinNT and Win2000.


Well, I guess I should consider myself fortunate. Of course it could
be a bug that was fixed in the j version that I'm using. Either way, I
can't dupe the problem on my setup.

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Re: 1.60j Rar file corrupted?

2002-05-04 Thread Ben Mills



Saturday, May 4, 2002, 4:37:39 PM, you wrote:


MR Today, I downloaded the TB! 1.60j .rar file from the TB! beta ftp site
MR (twice - just to be sure that it wasn't a problem caused during
MR download). When I try to extract the executable from the .rar archive,
MR nothing shows up in the folder I'm trying to extract it to. So... I
MR open it up in PA, and run a Test on it. Here's what it's saying:

MR #
MR  Testing archive: tb160j.rar -- 5/4/2002 1:17 PM
MR #

MR Testing file: thebat.exe
MR -- CRC ERROR

Both 160i and 160j are corrupted. No recovery record and Winrar can't
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Re[3]: 1.60j Rar file corrupted?

2002-05-04 Thread Ben Mills



Sunday, May 5, 2002, 5:10:40 AM, you wrote:


LL I have a copy, if you want me to e-mail it to you let me know.

Sure. Send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so it won't get lost in my list
account.

Thanks,
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Re[2]: 1.60j Rar file corrupted?

2002-05-04 Thread Ben Mills



Saturday, May 4, 2002, 5:20:38 PM, you wrote:

MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP Hash: SHA1

MDP Hi Ben,

MDP @04 May 2002, 17:03:21 -0400 (22:03 UK time) Ben Mills wrote in
MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

MR Testing file: thebat.exe -- CRC ERROR

 Both 160i and 160j are corrupted. No recovery record and Winrar can't
 fix it.

MDP You need to use the new WinRAR beta. These archives are created using
MDP the shiny, new, tighter format, whiter-than-white beta RAR algorithm
MDP and show up as corrupt on earlier versions.

What will they think of next..G You're right, it was my copy of
Winrar. I did have to do some digging to find the new 290 version, tho. The
download link on winrar.com is down.

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Re[2]: connection centre

2002-05-03 Thread Ben Mills



Friday, May 3, 2002, 10:18:20 PM, you wrote:


JA Isn't there an option in the menus somewhere to view the log files?  I
JA think TB! keeps a 'temp' log file.  Maybe that is what you are looking
JA for?  I'd give you a menu to where it is... but I'm at home, using Pine.
JA ;)

At the top your your screen, click account then click view log.

JA On Fri, 3 May 2002, Adam wrote:


 How could I review the Connection Centre stats after mail check?





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Re[3]: connection centre

2002-05-03 Thread Ben Mills



Friday, May 3, 2002, 11:42:32 PM, you wrote:

 

 Nope.  That isn't the Log that appears in Connection Centre.  View log
 just views addresses.  That one has an icon, BTW, easy to locate.


JA Ahh... I cannot validate this from here... using pine.  I thought that log
JA option showed the connection logs.  I'm sure I'd seen it somewhere anyway.
JA If I am incorrect, I appologise for the confusion.

Mine shows all events, such as connection to server, auth, articles
received and connection closed. It shows all events for both pop and
smtp server connections.

It is an account based log tho. If you have more than one account, you
have more than one log. I can't find any single log that contains all events
for all accounts. Of course, that's not saying there isn't one
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Re[3]: connection centre

2002-05-03 Thread Ben Mills



Saturday, May 4, 2002, 12:30:33 AM, you wrote:




 At the top your your screen, click account then click view log.


A Nope.  That isn't the Log that appears in Connection Centre.  View log
A just views addresses.  That one has an icon, BTW, easy to locate.

Bring up your log and look towards the bottom. I bet you have
highlights only checked. Uncheck it and you should see all the
connection details.






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Re[2]: TB! can not be a Virus (WAS: The bat is a virus. goodbye)

2002-05-02 Thread Ben Mills



Thursday, May 2, 2002, 5:46:48 PM, you wrote:

MLW How can I keep an email program that must be setup from scratch every time 
MLW I use it?  Are you willing to use a mail program that takes 30 minutes of 
MLW setup and recover every time you want to send and read mail?

I understand your frustration, but I have no idea why your TB registry
file is being deleted.

Until you can pinpoint the culprit, you can always export, before
shutdown, the RIT reg file to your desktop ( or wherever), and import
it back in after startup. I realize this isn't a fix, but it should have
you up and running in a mere second or two, vs doing an entire 30
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Re[3]: TB! can not be a Virus (WAS: The bat is a virus. goodbye)

2002-05-02 Thread Ben Mills



Thursday, May 2, 2002, 6:54:19 PM, you wrote:

MLW Sarcasm
MLW What a great idea.  Every time I want to check my mail or send some mail, I 
MLW can import stuff into my registry, re-import all my data, send the mail, 
MLW then delete it all.  I think this idea will make a million or more people 
MLW download and buy the bat.
MLW /sarcasm

I'll admit it's no substitute for a fix, but it does work. I tried
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Re: Disable Yahoo Account on Check Mail for All?

2002-04-25 Thread Ben Mills



Thursday, April 25, 2002, 9:38:18 AM, you wrote:

GS Hello TBUL,

GS   How do I archive messages on an account that is no longer active?

GS   I have a Yahoo account that no longer provides pop access and is
GS   generating errors. I like to keep the messages, but get rid of the
GS   connection errors in the log when I Check Mail for All.

It appears that you can go into account properties, then options and
check  ignore check all accounts request. I haven't tried it, but
the option is there.
Ben




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Re: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

2002-04-24 Thread Ben Mills



Wednesday, April 24, 2002, 8:40:57 AM, you wrote:


DC Recipient '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in message 'Food receipts' cannot be sent to. The 
reply given by the service
DC provider was '550 relaying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] prohibited by administrator
DC '.

I'd email the postmaster at impro and see what he has to say. Also,
both your IP and your ISP's mail server's IP (194.73.73.92) are
blackholed by one or more anti-spam databases. Maybe impro is using
one of these services to filter spam??

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Re[2]: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

2002-04-24 Thread Ben Mills



Wednesday, April 24, 2002, 11:54:57 AM, you wrote:



I use www.dnsstuff.com for a bunch of reasons. It has a lot of great
tools.

Here's the URL to the span database lookup for his ISP's server:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=194.73.73.92 .

You can go back to www.dnsstuff.com and find all sorts of good stuff.

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Re: Import 60,000 messages from Netscape 4.7?

2001-06-16 Thread Ben Mills



Saturday, June 16, 2001, 1:58:33 AM, you wrote:

P Hi all,

P I have a friend who downloaded TB today, thinking to replace his NS 4.7.
P Only thing is he has over 60,000 messages in Netscape that he tried to
P import into TB. He said the import seemed to work, but TB locked up and
P locks up every time he tries to open it. Does anyone have near or more
P than this number of messages stored in TB? If TB can handle, is it
P likely to be able to handle an import of that many messages?

I don't see why it wouldn't. I tend to delete messages when I have
over 6000-7000, but it will import easily import that many, at least
from other clients.

P He also says that he has no uninstall option in Add/Remove Programs and
P that there is not uninstall file. I saw a couple people complained of
P the same on the cNet downloads.com reviews. What's with that?

He may have had a bum installation. In the earlier versions, this was
one of my complaints. However, the version I uninstalled to install
153bis had an undel in the folder that even offered the option to
delete the reg entries. The 153bis doesn't seem to have an undel in
its folder, but it does make an entry in my windows add/remove control
panel option.

I believe to do a good uninstallation you just need to pitch the TB!
folder and delete the reg entries. They're all in one folder, I
believe. I'd try a new installation of the bat and see if things don't
work out better.

Regards,

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Re[2]: Headers in 1.53bis

2001-06-16 Thread Ben Mills



Saturday, June 16, 2001, 4:05:55 PM, you wrote:


KS Same thing. Whether it's new mail or old, forwarded or
KS original, I invariably have this problem. And it's
KS independant of the folder that I am in, which rules out
KS templates and AB-entries.

Karen,

Which OS are you using? I've tried to duplicate your problems using
153bis on win2000 and haven't met with success.

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Re[2]: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

2001-06-13 Thread Ben Mills



Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 8:05:51 AM, you wrote:


JR   Do you know if the send hang was addressed in this new version?

Jan,

I'm curious as to what you mean by send hang. Thanks!

Regards,
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Re[4]: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

2001-06-13 Thread Ben Mills



Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 12:25:56 PM, you wrote:

Ben I'm curious as to what you mean by send hang.

JR   In earlier versions, TB! would attempt to send  if it couldn't, it
JR   wouldn't disengage from the server.

It must depend on the server. Mine is on a win2k machine setting less
than a foot from my workstation. But TB! never exhibited the problem
you described. I upgraded to 153 anyway, and thanks for the heads-up!

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Re[2]: The Bat! and Windows 2000

2001-05-20 Thread Ben Mills



Sunday, May 20, 2001, 7:11:13 AM, you wrote:

SM I had no problem with The Bat! running Win98SE and WinMe. I just
SM migrated to Windows 2000 and now I have terrible problems contacting
SM mail servers. Time-outs, failure to send, etc.

ACM Be careful with Win2k and firewalls. TB! is one of those apps that is
ACM sensitive to firewalls especially ZoneAlarm's earlier versions.

Yep! I've been down that road with ZoneAlarm. I wish to add that
disabling ZA doesn't relieve the problem, it needs to be uninstalled.

OTOH, Sygate's free firewall works fine with TB and all the other apps I
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Re[4]: The Bat! and Windows 2000

2001-05-20 Thread Ben Mills



Sunday, May 20, 2001, 10:10:34 PM, you wrote:

JR -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
JR Hash: SHA1

JR Hello Ben,

JR On Sunday, May 20, 2001 13:11:39 [ -0400 GMT], you wrote the
JR following in regards to 'The Bat! and Windows 2000':


Ben OTOH, Sygate's free firewall works fine with TB and all the other apps I
Ben use.

JR   ok, how about ZoneAlarm's latest versions?  And where would one
JR   get Sygate's firewall?  TIA

Jan,
The last version of ZA I used was current around the first of the
year. It killed TB!, PGP (key server lookup) and maybe one or two
other apps. After the torment that thing put me through I wouldn't
even consider trying it again...;)

Here's a link for the Sygate download. Just register it for personal
use and it's free.
http://www.sygate.com/free/spf_download.htm

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Re: How to block unwanted senders

2001-05-03 Thread Ben Mills



Thursday, May 03, 2001, 4:35:19 AM, you wrote:

AV The Bat! 1.51, OS Windows 2000

AV Dear List:

AV I'm new to The Bat! - so probably a Newbie question:

AV I often receive unwanted mail from senders that I would like to block
AV completely.

AV - How can I do this most effectively?

That's a tough one..

AV - Is it possible to automatically remove mail from blocked senders
AV already on the server, before downloading it to the client software?

If you have control of your server...it can easily be done from there.
I have entire countries, ( hk, jp) blocked due to the amount of spam
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Re[6]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

2001-05-01 Thread Ben Mills



Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 9:42:55 AM, you wrote:


Ai I always am...
Ai I'm asking because more and more people I know are using TB!

But the problem is Ritlabs lack of response to known security issues.
Hackers will have a heyday with TB if Ritlabs continues to bury its
head in the sand instead of promptly addressing these issues.

One poster mentioned an undocumented registry hack would eliminate the
potential execution of the worm you brought to the list's attention.
If this is the case ( and I have no first hand knowledge that it is)
Ritlabs should have notified its clients and had a reg edit executable
on its site for download. It would be a no-brainer for any programmer
to crank out in a couple of minutes.

BM This PR fiasco will haunt them for a long time. My company has over
BM 100 computers with 30-35 running email clients (Eudora 303), I was
BM ready to purchase a TB site license until you, I believe, posted the

Ai And now, I'm sorry you thought that... ;(

I'm very glad you did mention it. Your bringing this security issue
out in the light of day could save many folks a bunch of grief.


Ai As for security and a lot more TB! is something that I longed for some
Ai time in the past...

That's what I had in mind, TB is robust...I've sent 300MB attachments
from home to my office, and TB handled it as well or better than Eudora
303. But Ritlabs clearly isn't supporting its products in a very
aggressive manner at all.

They need to break into the US corporate market to get much attention
and become a major player. No matter if your selling paper clips or
computer chips...you need a strong presence in the US to be
successful. US corporations aren't exactly on a spending spree as it
is; I still use some machines operating Windows 3.11, so we all are
very leery of purchasing little known products from companies with
questionable support policies.

Ai I'm just sorry that some made too much of mine comments... I just
Ai wanted to say to be careful...

You did the right thingexactly what I would have done. Sometimes a
few feathers get ruffled as the facts are put on the table, but that's
life.

Thanks again,
Ben



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Re[8]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

2001-05-01 Thread Ben Mills



Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 9:38:26 PM, you wrote:

z If they do this, they will become a major target as well. It would be
z good for the security strengths, including fast patches, to keep up
z with the popularity - we'll need more, and faster, as it get more
z popular.

We both agree on this issue 100 percent. Ritlabs wishes to be
successful and it indicates this on its web site. Under Partners it
indicates that it's open to suggestions that involve penetrating new
markets. I know of no entrepreneur that doesn't wish to gain market
share and compete with the biggest in the industry. In our world
economy, anything less than the most aggressive marketing strategies
will result in a failed enterprise. And yes, Ritlabs must become very
aggressive with customer support and get those patches and fixes out
in a 24-48 hour time frame.

A usenet group with developer involvement would be a cheap a dirty
start. An unmoderated list server would also bring more issues in the
open, resulting in a little pushing and shoving to get those fixes out
more quickly.

Warmest regards,
Ben

In short: I can't imagine Ritlabs wishes to remain an obscure little
enterprise hoping to keep its deficiencies mum on a quiet little list.
All software vendors have these very same issues to deal with. But the
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Re[4]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

2001-04-30 Thread Ben Mills



Sunday, April 29, 2001, 9:39:30 PM, you wrote:


Ai Is it possible to set TB not to execute attachment at all? I mean not
Ai to ask even...

I don't believe so. Under properties I would suggest that you set up
an attachment dir...maybe something like C:\attach. The default
settings leave the attachments embedded in the mailboxes. This would
be an advantage if you do backups as you wouldn't be backing up
an inadvertently undeleted virus or worm. Otherwise just be careful
what you execute...;)


Ai Yes... My ISP also fixed a few infected files and gave me a warning
Ai about a virus... But its possible that their software is not
Ai up-to-date...

It depends on what your ISP is using. The scanning software my servers
run will update several times daily.

What concerns me more is Ritlabs apparent disregard for its customers
regarding this latest security issue. If it (Ritlabs) has any ambition
to becoming a major player in the mail client business; the way
they've handled this exploit has set them back way back. Ritlabs must
earn business accounts with site licenses, and they've proven to me
that they don't understand the level of service a corporation demands
and requires.

This PR fiasco will haunt them for a long time. My company has over
100 computers with 30-35 running email clients (Eudora 303), I was
ready to purchase a TB site license until you, I believe, posted the
info regarding the security issue. Apparently it was kept pretty mum
on this list and the sparks sure flew when you mentioned it. As it
stands, I wouldn't purchase or recommend TB for all the tea in China.
Ritlabs has a great deal of maturing to do before it's ready to
compete with the incumbents such as Microsoft, Eudora etc.

Regards,
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Re[2]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

2001-04-29 Thread Ben Mills



Sunday, April 29, 2001, 4:55:05 AM, you wrote:

DH I don't know if the moderators - since you specifically targeted them
DH - - will answer to you. If you have read the rules of this list you
DH would at least have refrained from your tone, which is way out of
DH line.

We've all talked about it off-listand unless people wish to make
an issue of it; I'd much rather like this dog die quietly.

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Re[2]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

2001-04-29 Thread Ben Mills



Sunday, April 29, 2001, 10:43:19 AM, you wrote:


PP TB! included a closing bracket to much into the link ... so double click the
PP link and remove the last bracket in the address bar or use this link (which is
PP identically to the first, but without any special character at it's side)

http://www.viruslist.com/eng/viruslist.asp?id=4188key=100013100072

Thanks, Peter. I should have caught that, but I didn't.

BTW: The scanning software that operates on my mail servers at home
and at my office catch Stator via its extension pif.

With the amount of this stuff running loose on the Internet, many of
the smaller ISP's are also using software on their servers to delete
these sort of attachments. As more virus scanning becomes common at
the ISP levelthe authors should be easier to catch, also.

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Re[2]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

2001-04-28 Thread Ben Mills



Saturday, April 28, 2001, 10:22:11 PM, you wrote:

/snipped entire cigar/

Get off your high horse! Many of us don't make a profession of reading
all the posts that come through these lists, and I happen to be one of
them!

The post was informative for me, as I wasn't aware of any TB specific
bugs in the wild. Also, the link is broken so I'm grateful to the
poster for forwarding the entire article.

Ben J. Mills

Oh! If you really wish to save bandwidth...I suggest you dump that
bloated signature. I couldn't care less what patched-up OS you're
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Re: Website

2001-03-31 Thread Ben Mills



Sat
day, March 31, 2001, 8:07:28 AM, you wrote:


GFS Hello Bat_Users,

GFS   I've been getting "DNS error" whenever I try to check the
GFS ritlabs.

www.ritlabs.com works here. If all else fails you can try
http://198.63.208.135 .




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Re[3]: Website

2001-03-31 Thread Ben Mills



Saturday, March 31, 2001, 8:20:02 PM, you wrote:


GFS Yeah, the IP works, so I wonder why my Nameserver is not keeping it.

Maybe it's just too slow or something. If you're using an ISP, maybe a
little nudge might get some results. You can always use another
provider's DNS server, just edit your tcp/ip advanced configuration.
I've used alternate nameservers many times when mine are on the blink.

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Re: Messages to this list

2001-03-30 Thread Ben Mills



Friday, March 30, 2001, 10:51:02 AM, you wrote:

RB Hi,

RB as you see below there are problems to send messages to this list:

Roland,

I haven't posted here in so long I'm just giving it a test. I'll watch
my log.

Ben


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Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

2001-02-23 Thread Ben Mills



Friday, February 23, 2001, 9:13:09 PM, you wrote:


BC  I'm not known to regularly defrag my hard disk. :) I think I've done
BC  it 3 times in 2 years or so, maybe longer. I'd rather leave that sort
BC  of thing alone. It seems like in the past, when I tried to do more
BC  house-cleaning, it did more harm that good (or so it seemed).

BC  I didn't mean to sound like I was terribly worried that TB! would
BC  trash the Operating System -- I'm far more worried about losing any
BC  archived mail. I do, however, backup all of my mail every other day,
BC  and as of a week ago I feel pretty prepared, should the worst happen.

I've seen some third-party disk tools ( esp Norton Utilities) do some
major damage. However I use w2k'2 defrag before I do my weekly drive
backup and have never had a glitch.


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Re: Address for List Archives?

2001-02-22 Thread Ben Mills



Thursday, February 22, 2001, 1:03:23 PM, you wrote:

NA Is it just me, or does the address for the List Archives in the footer
NA message have to be changed. I cannot connect to:

NA http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com or http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com

NA but I can connect to:

NA http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/ for TBUDL, and:

NA http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/ for TBBETA.

I connect to all just fine..

Ben



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149e ??

2001-02-18 Thread Ben Mills

This is a resend--it appears my original isn't going to make it. I'm
pleased that the server is back up.

Earlier today I visited the German Bat site. I found a bunch of
interesting articles, and I agree that someone did a fine good of
compiling documentation on TB. Even though I speak a locally used
slang dialect of German I found it fairly easy to understand.

Question: Maybe I've missed something, or haven't read all my e-mail,
but what is version 149e? I downloaded it, unzipped it and noticed it
was well over three megs! I've been under the impression that 149 was
the latest version. Could someone explain?
  

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Re[7]: Peter, DO NOT OVERQUOTE! (was: Importing Outlook Contacts)

2001-02-16 Thread Ben Mills



Friday, February 16, 2001, 7:50:40 PM, you wrote:

JR Hello Listers.

JR On Friday, February 16, 2001 23:53:58 [ +0100 GMT], Lija wrote the
JR following in regards to 'Peter, DO NOT OVERQUOTE!   (was: Importing
JR Outlook Contacts)':

/Snip/
Lija To Moderators:
Lija I know, I was too rude, but please take some action against
Lija cretins like this guy was! I apologize to other subscribers!

JR   You know there's something basically wrong with a person who resorts
JR   to this kind of explosive language over a misdemeanor.

I'll give him to benefit of the doubt and assume he had a bad day.
That sort of behavior is tolerated in many Usenet groups, but not in
moderated lists.

I'm new here so I'm just beginning to recognize some of the faces.
Maybe the offending individual will cool off and things will work
out..


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Re[2]: Peter, DO NOT OVERQUOTE! (was: Importing Outlook Contacts)

2001-02-16 Thread Ben Mills

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Friday, February 16, 2001, 7:26:59 PM, you wrote:



MY I'm more inclined to go with "confused Outlook Express user" than
MY jerk. The Bat! will allow you to bottom post and, more importantly[1],
MY trim the quotes by selecting a block and hitting F4. Lookout and
MY Lookout Distress allow neither action.

Please elaborate: When I highlight a block to snip and hit F4TB
spellchecks it. W

What am I doing wrong???





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Re[2]: Peter, DO NOT OVERQUOTE! (was: Importing Outlook Contacts)

2001-02-16 Thread Ben Mills



Friday, February 16, 2001, 8:25:42 PM, you wrote:


NA Ben, it sounds like you have already hit the Reply button, and *then*
NA you are highlighting the text you want to quote. In that case, F4 will
NA indeed spell check the highlighted text. Try just reading the message in
NA the preview pane, and then highlight some text... hit F4... and that
NA should bring up a properly addressed reply with just the quoted text you
NA highlighted.

Yep, that's what I was doing.

Thanks,



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Re: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site

2001-02-12 Thread Ben Mills



Monday, February 12, 2001, 9:11:21 PM, you wrote:

MK I cannot access the RIT Labs web site:

MK http://www.ritlabs.com

MK http://198.78.172.135

MK by Host Name and IP address.

MK Is anyone else experiencing a problem?


It's must be down. I get no response on cablemodem.

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Re[2]: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site

2001-02-12 Thread Ben Mills



Monday, February 12, 2001, 10:37:34 PM, you wrote:

MY -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MY Hash: SHA1

MY On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, at 21:11:21 [GMT -0500], Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK I cannot access the RIT Labs web site:

MK http://www.ritlabs.com

MK http://198.78.172.135

MK by Host Name and IP address.

MK Is anyone else experiencing a problem?

MY I can't get to the web site and ping filed to ritlabs.com and the IP
MY address.  In addition a reverse DNS using Sam Spade came up with 'no
MY such dns entry'.

MY This is from the Albany, New York area for what that's worth.

MY Mike Yetto

I have no idea where Ritlabs'server is located. But I tried a few
proxies, a couple in Europe and a couple in Asia, and ritlabs is
unreachable from all of them.
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