Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Miroslav Florensen
Hello Mica,

 [smtp]
 logging=1
 log=smtp.session

I found out, it does not make a difference whether you write
'log=smtp.session', 'log=smtp.trace' or 'log=myLogFile.txt'.

In each case a log file is provided with the appropriate name.


@Mary
 Verbose log function is more recent, I think. The first I ever noticed
 it was about a month ago when Maxim called it to someone's attention.

Are you sure? I found no reference to an verbose log function from Max in
Mail archives, possibly I missed something.


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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Nick Dutton
Hello Roelof,

On Wednesday, July 13, 2005, you wrote:
RO Those are the things that make it worth your while to visit tbbeta.
RO There they come from the horse's mouth, err .. I mean from the
RO development team.

Sorry to drift OT, but to go back to another oft-trodden thread (can
you tread a thread?), how much time can one spend on a productivity
tool!

I do *love* all the tinkering, but it sometimes has a seriously
detrimental effect on my sleep and/or work.


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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 on 13-Jul-2005 at 22:59 you (Chris) wrote:

 And the apostrophe: account root folder is the same as accounts' root
 folder (the root folder of [all] the accounts). Now, account's root
 folder is different. The account's root folder is a sub-directory of
 the accounts' root folder. Confusing, eh?

 Well...

 It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If
 you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's
 either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. (Oxford University Press,
 Edpress News)

 account  (noun) | account's (possessive adjective) -- singular
 accounts (noun) | accounts' (possessive adjective) -- plural

So, the apostrophe related to possessive adjectives only. (-:

Nevertheless, I didn't pay attention to your initial typo and had
grasped it as you _meant_, not as you wrote, that is as account's root
directory. (-:

Anyway, it didn't want to work due to the wrong settings syntax (it had
to be log=smtp.session instead log=smtp.trace).

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:41:49 +0200, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Anyway, it didn't want to work due to the wrong settings syntax (it had
to be log=smtp.session instead log=smtp.trace).


I don't think thats the problem. I had mine set to smtp.log and it worked  
just fine. Odd.


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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 Hello Roelof,

 On Wednesday, July 13, 2005, you wrote:
RO Those are the things that make it worth your while to visit tbbeta.
RO There they come from the horse's mouth, err .. I mean from the
RO development team.

 Sorry to drift OT, but to go back to another oft-trodden thread (can
 you tread a thread?), how much time can one spend on a productivity
 tool!

 I do *love* all the tinkering, but it sometimes has a seriously
 detrimental effect on my sleep and/or work.

If it's a power tool then productivity might take really lots of time,
which sometimes might mean a hoof in horse's mouth. Now...if your
treading is closer to a trot, than to a gallop, or even to a
canter...hmm, okay, it's another kind of mammal, you're right, OT, I can
smell the smell of the (approaching?) fish.[1]




[1] They really should wash this (shared?) thing up(out?) sometimes. At
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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 Hello Mica,

 [smtp]
 logging=1
 log=smtp.session

 I found out, it does not make a difference whether you write
 'log=smtp.session', 'log=smtp.trace' or 'log=myLogFile.txt'.

 In each case a log file is provided with the appropriate name.

Oops! You are right. A file smtp.trace has already been created with
the appropriate SMTP trace data, and I had overseen that.

So, my apology and cigars to all. (-:

Lollipops back of course. Gentlemen, please...

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Miroslav!

On Thursday, July 14, 2005, 4:33 AM, you wrote:

 @Mary
 Verbose log function is more recent, I think. The first I ever noticed
 it was about a month ago when Maxim called it to someone's attention.

 Are you sure? I found no reference to an verbose log function from Max in
 Mail archives, possibly I missed something.

This was on the TBBETA list. And, Maxim did not say it was a recent
option. It was simply the first time that I had noticed it in
Account/Properties/Options. I'm in that window rather frequently,
telling TB! to check mail periodically, or not to check mail
periodically.

Turns out to be about two months ago, not one month. Time flies in my
old brain. :)

Here's the mid for Maxim Masiutin's post to TBBETA, on May 5, 2005:

mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 when Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:41:49 +0200, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Anyway, it didn't want to work due to the wrong settings syntax (it had
 to be log=smtp.session instead log=smtp.trace).

 I don't think thats the problem. I had mine set to smtp.log and it worked
 just fine. Odd.

The fault on (and happily not by) my side which is not odd then, since I
make mistakes too. (-: The reason I took back my lollipops and delivered
cigars.

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Miroslav Florensen
Hello,

 Here's the mid for Maxim Masiutin's post to TBBETA, on May 5, 2005:
 mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

thanks Mary, I overlooked this message and also overlooked these
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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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[...]

 Oops! You are right. A file smtp.trace has already been created with
 the appropriate SMTP trace data, and I had overseen that.

Man vs Apostrophes these days... Should have been hadn't overseen
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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Mica!

On Thursday, July 14, 2005, 10:56 AM, you wrote:

  Should have been hadn't overseen
 instead.

Overlooked. Overlooked feels more idiomatic than overseen over
here. :)

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OT Social fish WAS--Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-14 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   @  @  at 14:33:24 -0500, when Mary Bull wrote:

 Hello Mica!

 On Thursday, July 14, 2005, 10:56 AM, you wrote:

 Should have been hadn't overseen instead.

 Overlooked. Overlooked feels more idiomatic than overseen over
 here. :)

Ah, Mary dear, how it feels over _where_. (-: If I'd had to track all
the sorts and kinds of English of the people I communicate with in order
to adapt to their respective idioms, I would have to have 6 heads and 17
hands. Hence I am focused on the indispensable, in order to drive the
sense (nut) to where it has to come -- the grammar. All the rest is a
maelstrom around, of words and idioms I picked up from all these
heres, and whens, so what is catching you is this what it is. (-:

My mind has to work after hours, like a fast typist which I am, in
this regard, and I doubt that I'll ever have some homogenous idiomatic
style. Important for me is not to get into idiotic one, though, for
_that_ would be pity, for a guy as I am. (:

Wasn't watched/supervised (carefully), that's what I wanted to say,
but nevertheless, all your comments are well came and arrived, being
informative and thus useful to me. Thanks!

Now I'll catafling this missive into the OT realm too, just in case, and
out of a cunning manners, or they could stink us up with this unwashed
and social (as in social care) fish of theirs (it was just used on a
top-poster, eek).

The time for a night skate ride and the fresh air, bye...

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Nick Dutton
Hello Ludovic ,

MOAL I copy and paste a message from someone in the list I don't remember
MOAL the name:

Thanks - that's an elegant solution.  I wonder where all this kind of
stuff can be found?

One of my long standing frustrations with TB is that there's so much
that it can do, but no authoritative way to find it out.


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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Ludovic LE MOAL
Hi,

On Wednesday, July 13, 2005 at 11:12:54 AM, Nick Dutton wrote:

 MOAL I copy and paste a message from someone in the list I don't remember
 MOAL the name:

 Thanks - that's an elegant solution.  I wonder where all this kind of
 stuff can be found?

Well, I don't know, I read this thing on this list. I think it was
given by MAU or someone else and I think you have to ask them :)
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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ludovic,

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:34:31 +0200GMT (13-7-2005, 14:34 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

 MOAL I copy and paste a message from someone in the list I don't remember
 MOAL the name:

 Thanks - that's an elegant solution.  I wonder where all this kind of
 stuff can be found?

LLM Well, I don't know, I read this thing on this list. I think it was
LLM given by MAU or someone else and I think you have to ask them :)

Those are the things that make it worth your while to visit tbbeta.
There they come from the horse's mouth, err .. I mean from the
development team.

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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If the whole mind can fit into the skull, it will. (-:

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:17:31 +0200, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 '| Create a text file called protocol.ini (without the quotes, of

 And where do you put this file?

 Save it in the accounts' root folder in the mail directory.

Thanks, Alexander, but it won't work. Is this trick related perhaps only
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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mica,

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:03:44 +0200GMT (13-7-2005, 17:03 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

 '| Create a text file called protocol.ini (without the quotes, of
MM Thanks, Alexander, but it won't work. Is this trick related perhaps only
MM to versions 3?

AFAIK yes, only v3

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Miroslav Florensen
Hello Roelof, 

 AFAIK yes, only v3

I am not sure whether we talk about the same feature, but the log
feature was introduced since v2.03 RC/1 - possibly I missed something.


 '| log=smtp.trace

did you mean 'smtp.trace' really?

As far as I remember...
You must put the 'protocol.ini' into the account folder, the files
'pop.session', 'smtp.session' and 'imap.session' are created
automatically, as soon as traffic occur.

logging=0 = off
logging=1 = on

The following entries are possible:

[pop]
logging=1
log=pop.session

[smtp]
logging=1
log=smtp.session

[imap]
logging=1
log=imap.session


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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Ludovic LE MOAL
Hi,

On Wednesday, July 13, 2005 at 5:03:44 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

 '| Create a text file called protocol.ini (without the quotes, of

 And where do you put this file?

 Save it in the accounts' root folder in the mail directory.

 Thanks, Alexander, but it won't work. Is this trick related perhaps only
 to versions 3?

Maybe. But I'm not sure I would have placed it in the root folder,
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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Ludovic LE MOAL  everyone else,

on 13-Jul-2005 at 17:49 you (Ludovic LE MOAL) wrote:

 Save it in the accounts' root folder in the mail directory.
  ^^
  important :-)

 Thanks, Alexander, but it won't work. Is this trick related perhaps only
 to versions 3?

 Maybe. But I'm not sure I would have placed it in the root folder,
 rather in the folder of the account which is used.

Thats what I meant with the accounts' root folder (ie. not the account
root folder), because logging is done per account.

yoda
Hr, confusion I caused - quite a difference that little S makes, h?
/yoda

Btw. its not important which name you use. Its just a filename.

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 [smtp]
 logging=1
 log=smtp.session

Excellent! Thanks, Miroslav. You have cigar. (-:

Works like...Stictopelia cuneata. Exactly as described, and with version
2.12.00.

Thanks to others too, for participation, although they have just
lollipops. (-:

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Chris

Alexander S. Kunz @ 2005-Jul-13 3:07:56 PM
Log verbosity mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Thats what I meant with the accounts' root folder (ie. not the
 account root folder), because logging is done per account.

 yoda
 Hr, confusion I caused - quite a difference that little S makes, h?
 /yoda

And the apostrophe: account root folder is the same as accounts'
root folder (the root folder of [all] the accounts). Now, account's root
folder is different. The account's root folder is a sub-directory
of the accounts' root folder. Confusing, eh?

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Chris  everyone else,

on 13-Jul-2005 at 22:59 you (Chris) wrote:

 And the apostrophe: account root folder is the same as accounts' root
 folder (the root folder of [all] the accounts). Now, account's root
 folder is different. The account's root folder is a sub-directory of
 the accounts' root folder. Confusing, eh?

Well...

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you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's
either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. (Oxford University Press,
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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Miroslav,

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:57:51 +0200GMT (13-7-2005, 19:57 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MF I am not sure whether we talk about the same feature, but the log
MF feature was introduced since v2.03 RC/1 - possibly I missed something.

In that case I stand corrected. I thought it was more recent, but I'm
the first to admit that I'm not infallible.

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-13 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Roelof!

On Wednesday, July 13, 2005, 6:21 PM, you wrote:

MF I am not sure whether we talk about the same feature, but the log
MF feature was introduced since v2.03 RC/1 - possibly I missed something.

 In that case I stand corrected. I thought it was more recent, but I'm
 the first to admit that I'm not infallible.

Verbose log function is more recent, I think. The first I ever noticed
it was about a month ago when Maxim called it to someone's attention.

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-12 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Nick!

On Tuesday, July 12, 2005, 9:51 AM, you wrote:

  SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the log for details
 I get no more information in the account.log file.

Does ticking the check-box verbose log in Account/Properties/Options
make a difference?

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-12 Thread Nick Dutton
Hello Mary,

On Tuesday, July 12, 2005, you wrote:
  SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the log for details
 I get no more information in the account.log file.

MB Does ticking the check-box verbose log in Account/Properties/Options
MB make a difference?

Ah ha! Where did *that* come from? Checked the box but, as is typical,
my problem has now gone away.

Thanks,

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-12 Thread Ludovic LE MOAL
Hi,

On Tuesday, July 12, 2005 at 4:51:40 PM, Nick Dutton wrote:

 I've found references to this in the archives, but not an answer. I'm
 getting tarpitted by my smtp server with the message:
421 4.0.0. Tarpitting active for [213.86.0.61].

 but all that I get from TB is:
SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the log for details

 I get no more information in the account.log file.

I copy and paste a message from someone in the list I don't remember
the name:

',- [ Copy from someone in the list I don't remember the name ]
'| Create a text file called protocol.ini (without the quotes, of course)
'| with three lines:
'| 
'| [SMTP]
'| logging=1
'| log=smtp.trace
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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-12 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Nick!

On Tuesday, July 12, 2005, 11:08 AM, you wrote:

  SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the log for details
 I get no more information in the account.log file.

MB Does ticking the check-box verbose log in Account/Properties/Options
MB make a difference?

 Ah ha! Where did *that* come from? Checked the box ...

It's something new in this series, I think. :)

 ... but, as is typical, my problem has now gone away.

's what make life as a batter so interesting, huh?

 Thanks,

You're most welcome. :)

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-12 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 '| with three lines:
 '|
 '| [SMTP]
 '| logging=1
 '| log=smtp.trace

And where do you put this file?

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Re: Log verbosity

2005-07-12 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:17:31 +0200, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



'| Create a text file called protocol.ini (without the quotes, of



And where do you put this file?


Save it in the accounts' root folder in the mail directory.

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