Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
Hello Melissa Reese, On or about Friday, December 13, 2002 at 12:24:41GMT -0800 (which was 3:24 PM in the tropics where I live) Melissa Reese scrawled; MR As I mentioned, regardless of the number of users of one MR method or the other, I still feel that OpenPGP is a more MR *reliable standard* than S/MIME. Just look at how TB! handles MR S/MIME differently than does Microsoft. It doesn't even MR matter which is correct or which is not. The fact that by MR simply switching one's preference for implementation method MR can yield the opposite verification result (valid vs. MR invalid) shows that there is *not* a standard at work MR here. Regardless of which S-Mime implementation I use, Victor's (Comodo Class 3) certificate shows as invalid. Simon's (Certum Level I) only shows valid under the internal implementation. Under the Micro$haft implementation it is 'invalid' (why should I be surprised?)! This is why I refuse to use any M$ mailer 'product' for my systems. Standards should be standards (unless you are MicroShaft)! This just doesn't work for me.. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
Simon Allie, If you want to talk about bandwidth...lets look at all the bandwidth in this discussion (the messages themselves) of pros and cons of 2 standards that I usually ignore to begin with...and many were signed as well! ;) Now THAT is some bandwidth... Don't get me wrong...I see the point of signing and certificates when dealing with sensitive data and important Emails, but here? I hardly see the point of the argument... Just my 2 cents worth. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
Hello Thomas, Saturday, December 14, 2002, 2:56:43 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Mike, TF On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:26:58 + GMT (14/12/02, 10:26 +0700 GMT), TF Mike Alexander wrote: Outpost lets you set up permissions for each separate program, TF So does Sygate. I was surprised when I noticed that if you allow an TF application to use one port, by default all ports are available to TF that app. I didn't like that a bit. No, nor would I and Outpost doesn't do that. It allows specific ports rather than all ports. TF Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I only TF got one or two per app (for example, with TB, the pop port and the TF smtp port at remote server, which I allowed), save them, and that's TF it. I think the point with Kerio is that you have to save the TF settings, otherwise it will forget them (of course). ;-) With Outpost, any settings you make are automatically saved. You can alter them later if you want. You can even alter the default ones that come built in. I can understand the load of messages though. I've found with Trillian that it took me approximately 20 times to get the permissions set. That was because of different underlying URLs being used across the chat server, and the need to authenticate each one. Plus it came up two or three times because of an attempt to use a different port. So, it can happen but it shouldn't happen with email or browser software which should be tied to a specific URL and port. -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
Hello Thomas, Sunday, December 15, 2002, 1:17:25 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Mike, TF On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:54:18 + GMT (15/12/02, 01:54 +0700 GMT), TF Mike Alexander wrote: TF Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I only TF got one or two per app (for example, with TB, the pop port and the TF smtp port at remote server, which I allowed), save them, and that's TF it. I think the point with Kerio is that you have to save the TF settings, otherwise it will forget them (of course). ;-) With Outpost, any settings you make are automatically saved. TF Well, I wouldn't like this. Sometimes I just want to let a connection TF go through only this once. I don't want to have to go into the TF innards of the firewall afterwards and delete a rule I never meant to TF create. Kerio le's me choose whether to just permit or to create a TF rule. g Well, yes, Out[post gives you that choice too, along with blocking the particular port or particular connection. I was just pointing out that you didn't have to do that and could allow an automatic save by selecting the right radio button. Sorry, I didn't explain it fully. Let's face it, we both have firewalls we really like and are happy with and personally, after having Zone Alarm screw up my computer I'm just glad of that. So let's say they are equal top shall we? ;-) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Simon, MA TB. It's called Outpost and is available from http://www.agnitum.com/ MA and no, I have no connection with hem except as a very satisfied user. SB Of course Victor could always try the 'free for personal use' Sygate SB Personal Firewall as well, which is far better than ZA as well in my, and SB many others' opinions :) If before all of this Kerio wasn't so heavily mentioned I'd probably be confused by now :) Due to my OS halting I made the switch to Kerio. I am using Kerio 3 Beta 5 (2 had a steeper learning curb) and it is amazing. I really, really like it and can not believe it's free. ZAP is a write off... At first the only thing that irritated me was the fact that unlike ZAP, Kerio asked permission for everything... For example, just launching my browser can easily launch open 20+ confirmation boxes and launching my Messenger (I counted this one with show alerts) will open 44. That is a lot of yes's for one program but the default interaction is geared for the highly technical. I was hoping it was like ZAP and would ask permission only once... I went to sleep at 3 woke up at 6:30, got to learning it a bit and the feature is there. I quickly implemented it and presto, now I only get one confirmation box in launching my browser or messenger and I can turn off that confirmation completely If I wish without compromising my PCs security. It is seamless with Internet file sharing and Microsoft Networking which is a definite plus but the biggest plus of all is The Bat! hasn't frozen yet (you think?). I hope all goes well and only time can tell. Thank you all for your help and though ZAP might conflict with TB!, I would still recommend it as Kerio is a little beefier. Until, :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPfnk913LB35+TCg0EQKjMQCcCN8Ey0tjJ5zFmnMqNi2lSPoNDfkAnRmt ozuWrr0FXDUcKtV8nE+KsCDM =GntP -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Spike, S BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID S again. 8^( PGP or certificate? In PGP it might state I have an invalid key until you sign it. With the certification, well I'll be stumped :) - - - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Key: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPfiaEl3LB35+TCg0EQLimQCfYYAZfacFZkxJLA8yygYGlgyyP4YAoOo6 5nrjYw0Iu9YhA9OjjmdBmJd+ =W7+l -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Simon, S BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID again. S 8^( SB It's OK here :) I've forwarded the messages to other PCs on my network to other accounts and they've seen no problem. Also, a few of my associates on-line couldn't see it either... Perhaps maybe (not sure) Dave Goodman's client can not handle my certificate's CA? Also upon personal correspondence with Goodman I noticed Dave's certificate is not valid. I am not sure what's happening but everything looks OK on my end. PN: Simon, I will get back to you on a personal note A.S.A.P. because at the current moment I am swamped with work :) I am writing a few reports on spam and would appreciate anyones insight about how you can best battle it without 3rd party plug-ins or applications and preferably with email clients alone :) Until, you all have a great day :) - - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Key: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPfinzl3LB35+TCg0EQJ4ugCfQ6YRz18Q2Yy2ZR+Ky22Wv6BgfJ8AoNfr VUgOSXfb/CKAhB+FXtkpHof1 =oJob -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
Hello Paul, Victor other TB! users following this thread: Paul recommended: PC ... you might try the Kerio firewall, it is a continuation of PC TPF ( Tiny personal firewall). It is free for personal use. PC www.kerio.com The download url is: http://www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf2-en-win.exe -- Douglas Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
