Re[2]: British English spell checking
Hello Robin, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 11:12:41 PM, you wrote: > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 at 02:55:13 +1100, John wrote: >>> I have chosen British English for the spell checking, but I am still being >>> told that words >>> like realise should be spelt with a "z". >> >> Can be spelt with both a "z" or "s", see http://tinyurl.com/dd522 even in >> UK. >> >> I would agree however that "s" is more usual in UK English. > The following both explore this further > http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutspelling/ize > http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ise1.htm Very interesting. Thanks for the pointers. -- Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 at 02:55:13 +1100, John wrote: >> I have chosen British English for the spell checking, but I am still being >> told that words >> like realise should be spelt with a "z". > > Can be spelt with both a "z" or "s", see http://tinyurl.com/dd522 even in > UK. > > I would agree however that "s" is more usual in UK English. The following both explore this further http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutspelling/ize http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ise1.htm -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.3 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: British English spell checking
Hello Eric, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 6:58:55 PM, you wrote: > No. The dictionaries don't generally explain their choice > of spelling. > The /-ize/ spelling is often described as the 'Oxford z', > as it's the house style for the Oxford University Press. (I > think it is the older, more traditional spelling.) > Cambridge University Press, on the other hand, tends to > use the /-ise/ alternative. Ok, thanks. -- Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:32:28 + GMT(28/12/2005, 18:32 + GMT), Graham Smith wrote: 6GS> Hello Eric, GS> Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 6:28:00 PM, you wrote: JP>>> I would agree however that "s" is more usual in UK JP>>> English. >> But the 'Oxford Spelling Dictionary' recommends the >> spelling in -ize, as does the two volume 'Shorter Oxford >> English Dictionary'. GS> I don't have access to either, so I will have to accept GS> what you say - astonishing as it is. Do they explain GS> why? No. The dictionaries don't generally explain their choice of spelling. The /-ize/ spelling is often described as the 'Oxford z', as it's the house style for the Oxford University Press. (I think it is the older, more traditional spelling.) Cambridge University Press, on the other hand, tends to use the /-ise/ alternative. -- Eric Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- Best regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: British English spell checking
Hello Eric, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 6:28:00 PM, you wrote: JP>> I would agree however that "s" is more usual in UK JP>> English. > But the 'Oxford Spelling Dictionary' recommends the > spelling in -ize, as does the two volume 'Shorter Oxford > English Dictionary'. I don't have access to either, so I will have to accept what you say - astonishing as it is. Do they explain why? -- Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:55:13 +1100 GMT(28/12/2005, 15:55 + GMT), John Phillips wrote: 6JP> Hi Graham, On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, at 11:39:54 [GMT+] JP> (which was 22:39:54 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: >> I have chosen British English for the spell checking, but >> I am still being told that words like realise should be >> spelt with a "z". JP> Can be spelt with both a "z" or "s", see JP> http://tinyurl.com/dd522 even in UK. JP> I would agree however that "s" is more usual in UK JP> English. But the 'Oxford Spelling Dictionary' recommends the spelling in -ize, as does the two volume 'Shorter Oxford English Dictionary'. -- Eric Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- Best regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: British English spell checking
Hello John, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 3:55:13 PM, you wrote: > Hi Graham, > On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, at 11:39:54 [GMT+] (which was 22:39:54 Australian > Eastern Time) you wrote: >> I have chosen British English for the spell checking, but I am still being >> told that words >> like realise should be spelt with a "z". > Can be spelt with both a "z" or "s", see http://tinyurl.com/dd522 even in > UK. > I would agree however that "s" is more usual in UK English. Yes, and that is what the dictionary is saying, that it is usually spelt with an "s" in the UK. I have never seen it knowingly spelt with a "z" in the UK, but I have seen it many times from my students and staff who have blindly accepted spelling corrections from Word, not realising it is using the US spell checker. -- Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
Hi MFPA, On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, at 15:15:10 [GMT+] (which was Thu, 2:15:10 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: > IMHO a lot of the spellings given in TB!'s British English > dictionary are suspect. And the dictionary (at least in my case) does not seem to suggest correctly mistakes made phonetically in my usually bad spelling. (Unless I am missing a setting here?) -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psychic Error: You know what key to press Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
Hi Graham, On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, at 11:39:54 [GMT+] (which was 22:39:54 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: > I have chosen British English for the spell checking, but I am still being > told that words > like realise should be spelt with a "z". Can be spelt with both a "z" or "s", see http://tinyurl.com/dd522 even in UK. I would agree however that "s" is more usual in UK English. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The future isn't what it used to be. Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: British English spell checking
Hello MFPA, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 3:15:10 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Wednesday 28 December 2005 at 12:58:13 PM, in > , Graham Smith wrote: >> Thanks, I am using the Home edition so maybe that makes a difference. When >> replying to an email under 'Spell Checker|Language' I only have a >> single list of languages and I had already selected British English. > I use the pro edition and do not have a separator in that list > either. I recall a mention some time ago of when the list was or > was not divided and it was divided if you installed something I do > not use - cannot recall what. >> However, under Dictionaries, the language was still listed as American >> English. I have now deleted the English American dictionary and >> replaced it with "British English" but I am still getting words like >> realise flagged as being incorrectly spelt. >> So, I am still puzzled interestingly Labour is considered correct and >> labor is flagged as incorrect. :-( > IMHO a lot of the spellings given in TB!'s British English > dictionary are suspect. > I added the UK spellings from the English dictionary at > http://www.tug.org/tex-archive/systems/win32/winedt/dict/ in an > additional user dictionary which enables the -ise spellings but > unfortunately it still accepts the -ize (not a problem as I would > be very unlikely to write it). > I wondered whether that single file could be used instead of > SSCEBR.tlx and sscebr12.clx but never motivated myself to try. > The TBUDL thread beginning with > mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] may be of interest also. Thanks again, I will give this a look. Its not that big a problem, just a little annoying. -- Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello MFPA, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 2:41:48 PM, you wrote: < ... > >> However if I go >> Spell Checker | Dictionary >> It shows American English >> SO something is not right. > Open the correct.tlx or userdic.tlx files in a text editor and > make sure the first line says "#LID 25202" (without quotes). If > that line is missing or says 24941 instead of 25202 it will show > as American English. That did it. Thanks - -- Thank you for your time, ___ David |David Elliott| Software Engineer| _| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID 0x650F4534 | | Format COMMANDR.DTA? (y/n?) | The Bat! 3.62.14 On Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition Build 3790 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8 ckt Comment: Signed, Sealed, Delivered. :) iQA/AwUBQ7Ko7/mK8eZlD0U0EQKgyQCfS4air+W9W98nq8SSX00xUdfBK9oAn2mE 5vUucqaoTHbNtWtG+dQJ6k7Z =GOw6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
Hi On Wednesday 28 December 2005 at 12:58:13 PM, in , Graham Smith wrote: > Thanks, I am using the Home edition so maybe that makes a difference. When > replying to an email under 'Spell Checker|Language' I only have a > single list of languages and I had already selected British English. I use the pro edition and do not have a separator in that list either. I recall a mention some time ago of when the list was or was not divided and it was divided if you installed something I do not use - cannot recall what. > However, under Dictionaries, the language was still listed as American > English. I have now deleted the English American dictionary and > replaced it with "British English" but I am still getting words like > realise flagged as being incorrectly spelt. > So, I am still puzzled interestingly Labour is considered correct and > labor is flagged as incorrect. :-( IMHO a lot of the spellings given in TB!'s British English dictionary are suspect. I added the UK spellings from the English dictionary at http://www.tug.org/tex-archive/systems/win32/winedt/dict/ in an additional user dictionary which enables the -ise spellings but unfortunately it still accepts the -ize (not a problem as I would be very unlikely to write it). I wondered whether that single file could be used instead of SSCEBR.tlx and sscebr12.clx but never motivated myself to try. The TBUDL thread beginning with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] may be of interest also. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't learn safety rules by accident... Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
Hello David! On Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 6:58 AM, you wrote: >> When editing a reply select 'Spell Checker | Language' - the top half >> shows what languages are installed, the bottom which you have chosen. > I don't have anything to cut the languages 'in half' >> I have just changed mine so: >> realize, labor, are 'wrong' >> realise, labour, are 'correct'. > I have 'British English' selected and > realise, labor, are 'wrong' > realize, labour, are 'correct'. > :( > If I go (whilst editing this message) > Spell Checker | Language | British English (is all ready checked) > However if I go > Spell Checker | Dictionary > It shows American English > SO something is not right. It's an old problem discussed on the TBBETA list quite some months ago. The "cut in half" part of the menu is there only if one has picked up the pre-Office 2000 Microsoft dictionaries. There's a way to get those, I think--Miguel A. Urech discussed what was going on at some length in the threads on TBBETA to which I've referred above. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
Hi On Wednesday 28 December 2005 at 12:58:28 PM, in , David Elliott wrote: > However if I go > Spell Checker | Dictionary > It shows American English > SO something is not right. Open the correct.tlx or userdic.tlx files in a text editor and make sure the first line says "#LID 25202" (without quotes). If that line is missing or says 24941 instead of 25202 it will show as American English. -- Best regards, MFPA It's better to feed one cat than many mice Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: British English spell checking)
Hello MFPA, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 2:02:05 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Wednesday 28 December 2005 at 11:56:35 AM, in > , Marck D > Pearlstone wrote: >> >> )<)))'> >> Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. > He also used a reply to begin a new subject ;-) Yep, not sure how I managed that, but it also explains the lack of a cut mark. My template for posting had a cut mark, but not the template for sending a reply. -- Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: British English spell checking)
Hi On Wednesday 28 December 2005 at 11:56:35 AM, in , Marck D Pearlstone wrote: > > )<)))'> > Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. He also used a reply to begin a new subject ;-) -- Best regards, MFPA The second mouse gets the cheese Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jeff, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 12:27:01 PM, you wrote: < ... > > When editing a reply select 'Spell Checker | Language' - the top half > shows what languages are installed, the bottom which you have chosen. I don't have anything to cut the languages 'in half' > I have just changed mine so: > realize, labor, are 'wrong' > realise, labour, are 'correct'. I have 'British English' selected and realise, labor, are 'wrong' realize, labour, are 'correct'. :( If I go (whilst editing this message) Spell Checker | Language | British English (is all ready checked) However if I go Spell Checker | Dictionary It shows American English SO something is not right. - -- Thanks, ___ David |David Elliott| Software Engineer| _| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID 0x650F4534 | | "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence." - Publilius Syrus | The Bat! 3.62.14 (Must update to latest beta) On Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition Build 3790 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8 ckt Comment: Signed, Sealed, Delivered. :) iQA/AwUBQ7KL+fmK8eZlD0U0EQKpIgCeODLIP9eGGGYXOHUAoKU7rQV4rRAAoLxj nP0nprQVCw9fQ1ocdGTdh3AS =xsM1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: British English spell checking
Hello Jeff, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 12:27:01 PM, you wrote: > When editing a reply select 'Spell Checker | Language' - the top half > shows what languages are installed, the bottom which you have chosen. > I have just changed mine so: > realize, labor, are 'wrong' > realise, labour, are 'correct'. Thanks, I am using the Home edition so maybe that makes a difference. When replying to an email under 'Spell Checker|Language' I only have a single list of languages and I had already selected British English. However, under Dictionaries, the language was still listed as American English. I have now deleted the English American dictionary and replaced it with "British English" but I am still getting words like realise flagged as being incorrectly spelt. So, I am still puzzled interestingly Labour is considered correct and labor is flagged as incorrect. :-( -- Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: British English spell checking
Hello Group, On Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 11:39:54 AM, Graham wrote: > Have I got something set up wrongly. > I have chosen British English for the spell checking, but I am still being > told that words > like realise should be spelt with a "z". > Do I need to set this up in more than one place. When editing a reply select 'Spell Checker | Language' - the top half shows what languages are installed, the bottom which you have chosen. I have just changed mine so: realize, labor, are 'wrong' realise, labour, are 'correct'. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
British English spell checking
Have I got something set up wrongly. I have chosen British English for the spell checking, but I am still being told that words like realise should be spelt with a "z". Do I need to set this up in more than one place. Many thanks, Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
