Re[2]: Duplicate messages
Hello Richard, RO RW Are you storing mail on the server? If not try to do so for a day. RW I only store it for two days anyway :-( I've had a similar problem in the past. Once in awhile I'll get a message that causes TheBat to not do the right thing when downloading (the symptoms will vary, but what you described has happened before). Usually the problem I have is a task the Connection Centre not responding and never finishing. Regardless, I also leave my POP mail on the server for a few days before deleting it from the server. I've found that using the mail dispatch function of TheBat I can go in and manually delete the spam and that usually takes care of it. Once in awhile I will need to delete some of the mail I've already downloaded (turning off the leave mail on server option and getting mail once will likely have the same effect). I get hundreds of emails a day, and I've never had the time to delete them one at a time to try to isolate the one that causes the problem, I usually delete in batches of 100 or more until the problem goes away. Once the offending email is gone from the server, TheBat starts working normally again. I'm not 100% sure TheBat is the cause of the new-mail problem; it could be that the POP server is telling TheBat the wrong info (ie, all messages are new). Perhaps it is because TheBat never go the chance to tell the POP server to mark the messages as read. In any event, it seems like purging the messages fixes the immediate problem. -- James A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. -- Emo Philips There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. -- Unknown Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate messages
Hello Richard Wakeford everyone else, on 13-Jan-2007 at 23:11 you (Richard Wakeford) wrote: Since yesterday I have started getting duplicate mail. [...] Are you sure that all of the new messages are downloaded correctly before the transfer ends? I could imagine that a transfer is interrupted and TB fails to update its index of already downloaded messages. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Air Song (8 AM Version) by Solar Fields from the 2005 release Extended http://www.discogs.com/release/532106 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate messages
Hello Alexander, On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ASK Are you sure that all of the new messages are downloaded correctly ASK before the transfer ends? Unfortunately yes, they are. The last time I got duplicate messages (just before I posted last night and it's not yet happened again) the log shows 13/01/2007, 22:57:07: FETCH - 78 messages in the mailbox, 78 new, it has then downloaded them and finishes with 13/01/2007, 22:59:17: FETCH - connection finished - 78 messages received. Don't be fooled by the 78 messages in the mailbox, 78 new bit because only 11 of those messages were actually new as the last duplicate download was only about 30 minutes before with 67 in the box and 67 new and, about an hour before that, 60 in the box with 60 new. ASK I could imagine that a transfer is interrupted and TB fails to ASK update its index of already downloaded messages. I wish that were the case, it would be easier to understand. :-( -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.95.6 with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.8.0.5 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate messages
Hello Richard, ASK I could imagine that a transfer is interrupted and TB fails to ASK update its index of already downloaded messages. I wish that were the case, it would be easier to understand. :- Have you tried Account/Properties/Transport/Protocol Logging and enabling Retrieval protocol? That may give a hint. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate messages
Hello MAU, On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M Have you tried Account/Properties/Transport/Protocol Logging and M enabling Retrieval protocol? That may give a hint. I hadn't but I have now thanks, although it's all been quiet for nearly 18 hours now with just normal message retrieval. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.95.6 with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.8.0.5 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Duplicate messages
Hello, I'm not sure if this is a TB! problem but I don't know where to turn to so I'm and posting it here for starters. Since yesterday I have started getting duplicate mail. For instance, I've just been out for four hours and came back to see that three times in those four hours (I have TB! set to download new messages every 10 minutes) it had downloaded all the messages in my Message Box, 65 at the beginning and, five minutes ago, 78. I have not changed any settings in TB! but I did upgrade Outpost firewall yesterday evening, although the problem of the duplicates started occurring before I did that. The account log doesn't give any clue as to what is happening, it just says 13/01/2007, 22:57:07: FETCH - 75 messages in the mailbox, 75 new. It then downloads them all and, a short while later on, it does the same with the same messages plus any new ones. In between times it works perfectly, just downloading the new messages as it should. I do a scheduled full maintenance every night so was wondering if anyone would have any pointers. I've looked through the archives but can't find anything relevant to my situation. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.95.6 with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.8.0.5 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate messages
Hallo Richard, On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:11:37 +0100GMT (13-1-2007, 23:11 , where I live), you wrote: RW Since yesterday I have started getting duplicate mail. For instance, RW I've just been out for four hours and came back to see that three times RW in those four hours (I have TB! set to download new messages every 10 RW minutes) it had downloaded all the messages in my Message Box, 65 at the RW beginning and, five minutes ago, 78. Are you storing mail on the server? If not try to do so for a day. -- Groetjes, Roelof Live short and fester. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpC7fzkzf3tz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate messages
Hello Roelof, On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RO Are you storing mail on the server? If not try to do so for a day. I only store it for two days anyway :-( -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.95.6 with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.8.0.5 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Might help to mention that this is Imap on the Fastmail server. I haven't had this with my IMAP/Fastmail traffic for a few betas now - and not with this final version at all. It might be worth clearing your local cache regularly. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1.33 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Gleason Pace, [GP] wrote: But I want to say that the statement on the download page about how you should overwrite old versions with the new has not worked for me. It's not old. I've never had problems upgrading by installing on top of another. This is since 1999 and while installing all new releases and many betas. First I had to uninstall 3.0 and reinstall to get 3.0 to remove a long list of tasks in the Connection Center that couldn't complete and couldn't go away. Interesting. The Abort button didn't work? And now it has been necessary to pitch my message database files to bring The Bat to full functionality. But here we are. Thanks. For IMAP, you need only delete the local cache files for each folder. The delete cache button is in each folders properties. I agree with you on the RIT responsiveness. TB! is by far the most improved initially POP3 specialist client, that now also does IMAP. -- -= Allie =- . Writer's Rule #2: About those sentence fragments. __ The Bat! v3.0.1 - IMAP mail Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: duplicate messages
Allie, It's not old. I've never had problems upgrading by installing on top of another. This is since 1999 and while installing all new releases and many betas. Guess my computer is especially cranky. Windows Xp with sp2. I keep up to date with whatever fixes MS has available. First I had to uninstall 3.0 and reinstall to get 3.0 to remove a long list of tasks in the Connection Center that couldn't complete and couldn't go away. Interesting. The Abort button didn't work? The abort functions would remove the tasks from the display. As soon as TB went to access the server again for some reason they would be right back. Power off reboot, same thing. And now it has been necessary to pitch my message database files to bring The Bat to full functionality. But here we are. Thanks. For IMAP, you need only delete the local cache files for each folder. The delete cache button is in each folders properties. Ok, that makes it easier. Earlier respondent suggested deleting the database files. -- Gleason Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Gleason Pace, [GP] wrote: For IMAP, you need only delete the local cache files for each folder. The delete cache button is in each folders properties. Ok, that makes it easier. Earlier respondent suggested deleting the database files. They're referring to things the POP3 way. However, the IMAP way involves a simple cache flush/empty. :) -- -= Allie =- . Oxymoron: Sweet Pickle. __ The Bat! v3.0.1.33 - IMAP mail Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Allie Martin @ 2004-Oct-14 6:26:48 PM duplicate messages mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, that makes it easier. Earlier respondent suggested deleting the database files. They're referring to things the POP3 way. However, the IMAP way involves a simple cache flush/empty. :) I didn't know how the accounts were setup when I responded, so I responded with the most common solution. Also, I don't have much experience with IMAP. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open. pgpVoxJF5zGZO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Hæ! Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 21:05, Gleason Pace wrote: When I go to the inbox from another folder, all of the messages that were there before have duplicates. I cannot confirm this behaviour. -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.0.1.33 | PopFile v0.22.0 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) +-+ | Get Firefox - Take back the web!| |http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=22411amp;t=1| +-+ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Gleason Pace @ 2004-Oct-13 3:05:44 PM duplicate messages mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When I go to the inbox from another folder, all of the messages that were there before have duplicates. If I wait for the tasks in the Connection Center to finish, most of the duplicates will go away again. This takes two minutes or so. It seems to me that there is no reason for the duplicates to appear in the first place. * Make sure you backup first!! * I cannot confirm this. Perhaps your Inbox is corrupted. Backup your MESSAGES.TBB and MESSAGE.TBI in the Inbox folder for the account in question (in the file system, not The Bat!). Then, delete first the TBI file and see if that helps. If not try deleting both of the files. * Make sure you backup first!! * -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together. pgpmZNQwfDBfW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Hello Gleason, When I go to the inbox from another folder, all of the messages that were there before have duplicates. I use TB all day long quite extensively and have never seen that behaviour. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Gleason Pace, [GP] wrote: When I go to the inbox from another folder, all of the messages that were there before have duplicates. If I wait for the tasks in the Connection Center to finish, most of the duplicates will go away again. This takes two minutes or so. It seems to me that there is no reason for the duplicates to appear in the first place. Are you using the POP or IMAP protocol for your mail account? -- -= Allie =- . Believe your beliefs and doubt your doubts. __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 with IMAP mail Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Hallo Gleason, On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:05:44 -0700GMT (13-10-2004, 21:05 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GP I was hoping that the problem with duplicate messages in the inbox GP would be fixed, but I see it is not. Haven't seen this problem. You might give some specifics on your setup: pop/imap, plug-ins, proxies, firewall, connectivity, OS, whatever -- Groetjes, Roelof Hi, I'm a tagline. When I grow up I'm gonna be a novel! The Bat! 3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpZ8f1LG5wi0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Dear Gleason, @13-Oct-2004, 12:05 -0700 (13-Oct 20:05 UK time) Gleason Pace [GP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip GP ... all of the messages that were there before have duplicates. If GP I wait for the tasks in the Connection Center to finish, most of GP the duplicates will go away again. It sounds like you are describing the fact that all messages that are downloaded from the remote server are first downloaded to the inbox before being processed by the sorting office. Once the messages have been processed by the sorting office, they will move on. There's no need to focus on the temporary - in transit content of the Inbox if it all resolves once the download and sort operation is complete. I don't use IMAP myself, but if you are using IMAP then perhaps it further complicates this entire process and involves messages not synchronised between remote and local inbox. It doesn't really sound like a bug to me - just functionality wanting for an explanation. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpxi85ouS8Q1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: duplicate messages
Thorvald, When I go to the inbox from another folder, all of the messages that were there before have duplicates. I cannot confirm this behaviour. Might help to mention that this is Imap on the Fastmail server. -- Gleason Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: duplicate messages
Gleason Pace, [GP] wrote: Might help to mention that this is Imap on the Fastmail server. H. Try deleting the cache for the problem folder and see what happens. I haven't had that problem in ages. What TB! version are you using?? The less you tell us, the less we know about your circumstances and hence the less we can help. It may not be necessary to offer your machine specs with all messages you post. However, if you're having a problem and you're seeking support, you need to tell us about your setup. Operating System TB! version IMAP/POP If IMAP, what's the ISP connection? Dialup/DSL/Cable? If IMAP then the ISP would help (you already did this). In this way, we could have insight into the IMAP server software involved. -- -= Allie =- . Experience: a name everyone gives to his mistakes. __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 with IMAP mail Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter to remove duplicate messages
Hello All, I would like to remove duplicate messages, cross posting to multiple mailing lists I am on, in an incoming filter. But I am running out ideas. Any suggestion? -- Regards, Anthony Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filter to remove duplicate messages
Hi Anthony. At 2:33 PM on Thursday, July 25, 2002 you wrote the following about [Filter to remove duplicate messages]: AXC I would like to remove duplicate messages, cross AXC posting to multiple mailing lists I am on, in an AXC incoming filter. But I am running out ideas. If no one comes up w a filter, you can always resort to the main menu: Folder - Kill Dupes in all Folders HTH -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filter to remove duplicate messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, July 25, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote... AXC I would like to remove duplicate messages, cross AXC posting to multiple mailing lists I am on, in an AXC incoming filter. But I am running out ideas. If no one comes up w a filter, you can always resort to the main menu: Folder - Kill Dupes in all Folders That shouldn't work (I think) as the two emails will be different, ie, one will come in from one source, while the other from another... this would mean they aren't duplicate emails (duplicates being identical emails including headers, body etc). - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPUBpkSuD6BT4/R9zEQJGpQCgynDZhg11xEKvufUc0YJ9f/RvxQAAoIRP HjBfUtDduYvgiyTvuj94uGvq =Ef/Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filter to remove duplicate messages
Hello Jonathan, On 25 Jul 2002 16:11:40 (my local time 14:11:40), Jonathan Angliss wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) AXC I would like to remove duplicate messages, cross posting to AXC multiple mailing lists I am on, in an incoming filter. But I am AXC running out ideas. If no one comes up w a filter, you can always resort to the main menu: Folder - Kill Dupes in all Folders I know this trick and it works. But I am lazy so I would like to automate it;-) That shouldn't work (I think) as the two emails will be different They are the same if the mailing lists are hosted by the same server, for example yahoo groups, or company internal mailing lists. -- Regards, Anthony Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filter to remove duplicate messages
On Thursday, July 25, 2002, 5:30:37 PM, Anthony Xin Chen wrote: They are the same if the mailing lists are hosted by the same server, for example yahoo groups, or company internal mailing lists. no. they will have different from addresses and/or reply to addresses. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filter to remove duplicate messages
Hey Jonathan, My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal' was used to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 5:11:40 PM. AXC I would like to remove duplicate messages, cross posting to AXC multiple mailing lists I am on, in an incoming filter. But I am AXC running out ideas. If no one comes up w a filter, you can always resort to the main menu: Folder - Kill Dupes in all Folders JA That shouldn't work (I think) as the two emails will be different, ie, JA one will come in from one source, while the other from another... this JA would mean they aren't duplicate emails (duplicates being identical JA emails including headers, body etc). Now, that is interesting. I thought dups were determined by the references in the kludges. So if I put tbot on the To: line, I will get 2 of this msg. Now, will kill dups kill one? Let's see... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) You can't guard against the arbitrary! Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filter to remove duplicate messages
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 18:08, Tim Musson wrote: Now, that is interesting. I thought dups were determined by the references in the kludges. So if I put tbot on the To: line, I will get 2 of this msg. Now, will kill dups kill one? Let's see... When you say references, do you mean To, msgid, From etc? Msgid's can be changed by servers (not often the case, but does happen sometimes), the rest I guess is fixed ;) If however you mean references as in the X-References and X-Reply-To headers, then no... they don't appear on new messages ;) But I guess you're right, we'll find out when you post your findings shortly ;) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filter to remove duplicate messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Anthony Xin Chen [AXC] wrote: AXC I would like to remove duplicate messages, cross posting to AXC multiple mailing lists I am on, in an incoming filter. But I am AXC running out ideas. AFAIK, this cannot be done since the only reference we can make to other information when filtering is with the address book. There's no option to filter based on what's in the message list which in your case would be messages having the same message id as the incoming message. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.61 | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAj1AnYIACgkQV8nrYCsHF+JGEwCfUPvuA3YPVBScNhwyz1b/gEbf o0wAoLBAV3y9oytOPU+NkT+Yv0PI/6Jd =jSuo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: I get duplicate messages from local delivery
Um. I have a similar setup in two different client locations, one with 1.53d and one with 1.60h and both get duplicate (sometimes triplicate) messages at random times. I'd love to blame this on an ISP, but it's too erratic and happens with any of their several accounts. I've tried switching them between workstation without TCP/IP mode and workstation with TCP/IP mode to no avail. At one point I thought I had it narrowed down to the number of users simultaneously trying to send mail, but that didn't seem to be it either. Things seem to have quieted down lately, but every once in a while the system just burps. Even weirder, it happens with sent mail as well as received mail. There will actually be two identical copies of the sent messages in the sent folder. I'm ready to start blaming this on sunspots. -Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, May 16, 2002, 2:43:20 PM, you wrote: DM Ok I have the Bat set up in TCP/IP server mode on a computer with DM access to the Internet. I then have several accounts on different work DM stations each with the allow local Delivery turned on. I am able to DM send mail from 1 station to another using the local delivery (i.e. no DM pop3). My problem is that I get duplicates of each email. Does anybody DM have any idea how to stop this? DM P.S. There are no sorting/office filters set up on any account. Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
I get duplicate messages from local delivery
Ok I have the Bat set up in TCP/IP server mode on a computer with access to the Internet. I then have several accounts on different work stations each with the allow local Delivery turned on. I am able to send mail from 1 station to another using the local delivery (i.e. no pop3). My problem is that I get duplicates of each email. Does anybody have any idea how to stop this? P.S. There are no sorting/office filters set up on any account. -- Best regards, David Marlow Abacus Data Systems Inc. Current Ver: 1.60i Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
OT : File Splitter [ was Re: Duplicate messages ]
Hello Ming-Li, Responding to your article on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 at 07:11:06 GMT -0700 (which was 05/04/2001 21:11 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : [ ... ] ML H, it looks like it's indeed our list server (dutaint.com) ML that's generating duplicates. As Marck said, this could happen when ML a server couldn't tell if a delivery is successfully due to broken ML connection, so it re-send a message. It's normal, I think, if it ML happens occasionally. I agree with you and Marck. ML But if it happens very often, then maybe Syafril wants to take a ML look. I have tried, but getting problem with the logs size. 3rd of April was busy day for the list, the logs size around 160 MB. Any info about utility to split ASCII text file into less size ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Using The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 Created : Friday, April 06, 2001, 20:07:55 GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : File Splitter [ was Re: Duplicate messages ]
Hello Ming-Li, Responding to your article on Fri, 6 Apr 2001 at 07:26:42 GMT -0700 (which was 06/04/2001 21:26 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : I have tried, but getting problem with the logs size. 3rd of April was busy day for the list, the logs size around 160 MB. Any info about utility to split ASCII text file into less size ? ML Please try ML http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/1401/fileuti2.htm#filesplitters Thank, but that not what I want. I need filesplitter not for sending by mail attachment, but only breaking text file to any size I to fit on Notepad or any text editor. Marck already give me one (his own program), I just start to use it (thanks Marck). Thanks anyway. ML I haven't used this kind of things for years, but they should work ML well, since splitting file is a in fact a simply job. I never feel needed it, till my MTA logs going insane (sometimes the size more than 250 MB per day :-( ) -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Using The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 Created : Friday, April 06, 2001, 21:52:15 GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : File Splitter [ was Re: Duplicate messages ]
On Friday, April 06, 2001 at 21:58:11 +0700 Syafril Hermansyah wrote: ML Please try ML http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/1401/fileuti2.htm#filesplitters Thank, but that not what I want. I need filesplitter not for sending by mail attachment, but only breaking text file to any size I to fit on Notepad or any text editor. confused I thought I gave you a wrong URL. Yet I checked just now, and it's correct. See the address? At the end of it, it says "#filesplitters". And that section of the page indeed contains several DOS file splitters. Noting on that page mentioned anything about mail or attachment. /confused Marck already give me one (his own program), I just start to use it (thanks Marck). Good to hear that. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : File Splitter [ was Re: Duplicate messages ]
Thanks Ming-Li, I wrong, I though it is FileSplitter which I already have one. Some of those util will help me to move huge DATA from one server to others (I am restructuring our Servers on my LAN). - syafril - BTW. I am in front of Server, sorry not using The Bat! -Original Message- From: Ming-Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Syafril Hermansyah on TBUDL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:07:56 -0700 Subject: Re: OT : File Splitter [ was Re: Duplicate messages ] On Friday, April 06, 2001 at 21:58:11 +0700 Syafril Hermansyah wrote: ML Please try http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/1401/fileuti2.htm#filespl itters Thank, but that not what I want. I need filesplitter not for sending by mail attachment, but only breaking text file to any size I to fit on Notepad or any text editor. confused I thought I gave you a wrong URL. Yet I checked just now, and it's correct. See the address? At the end of it, it says "#filesplitters". And that section of the page indeed contains several DOS file splitters. Noting on that page mentioned anything about mail or attachment. /confused Marck already give me one (his own program), I just start to use it (thanks Marck). Good to hear that. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : File Splitter [ was Re: Duplicate messages ]
On Friday, April 06, 2001 at 20:12:30 +0700 Syafril Hermansyah wrote: I have tried, but getting problem with the logs size. 3rd of April was busy day for the list, the logs size around 160 MB. Any info about utility to split ASCII text file into less size ? Please try http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/1401/fileuti2.htm#filesplitters I haven't used this kind of things for years, but they should work well, since splitting file is a in fact a simply job. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicate messages
On Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 21:21:00 -0600 Shauna Scott wrote: MDP In that case you will have to look at and compare the routing MDP headers to see at what stage the duplicates were generated. Below are the headers from two of the three copies I've received of a message from you to Bubba. Maybe someone can spot something. I'm no expert, but I can try. 1st copy: Received: from dutaint.com (dip6.dutaint.com [203.130.233.8]) by maintgx.tgx.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27551 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from silverstones.com by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0rc2.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:00:14 +0700 2nd copy: Received: from dutaint.com (dip6.dutaint.com [203.130.233.8]) by maintgx.tgx.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27180 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from silverstones.com by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0rc2.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:00:14 +0700 H, it looks like it's indeed our list server (dutaint.com) that's generating duplicates. As Marck said, this could happen when a server couldn't tell if a delivery is successfully due to broken connection, so it re-send a message. It's normal, I think, if it happens occasionally. But if it happens very often, then maybe Syafril wants to take a look. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Duplicate messages
Hello All For the last couple of days I have been getting a large number of multiple copies of messages from both this list and the Beta list. I noticed it first when I got about 5 copies of the announcement of the latest Beta version, though it may have been happening before that and I just didn't notice. Since then I've received varying numbers of copies of some, but not all, messages. This is only happening on these lists, not with any of my other mail, but it's happening on both my work computer, running 1.52 Beta/3 on W2K, and on my home computer running version 1.51 on WinNT (different ISP's as well). Is this happening to anyone else? Best regards Shauna -- Shauna Scott Vice President - Finance Administration Rocky Mountain Skiing Inc. Using The Bat! version 1.52 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Duplicate messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Shauna, On 04 April 2001 at 17:10:18 -0600 (which was 00:10 where I live) Shauna Scott wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: SS For the last couple of days I have been getting a large number of SS multiple copies of messages from both this list and the Beta list. There are two possibilities: Multiple memberships or incomplete transfers. Check the "You are subscribed as..." at the bottom of the messages and make sure that all messages are for the same address. Incomplete transfers is what you get when TB's connection to the server breaks before TB has had a chance to tell the server to delete the messages it has already read. This means that, next time TB connects, it receives the same messages again. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/3/iKey1000 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOspg1DnkJKuSnc2gEQLSsQCgsr6yW5v6Svwpvn01hbT4jnfMqRoAoIeC CQM8Bkr7xRMBvGR9phrlWEjU =ZsER -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Duplicate messages
Hello Marck, Tuesday, April 03, 2001, 5:46:28 PM, you wrote: SS For the last couple of days I have been getting a large number of SS multiple copies of messages from both this list and the Beta list. MDP There are two possibilities: Multiple memberships or incomplete MDP transfers. MDP Check the "You are subscribed as..." at the bottom of the messages and MDP make sure that all messages are for the same address. MDP Incomplete transfers is what you get when TB's connection to the MDP server breaks before TB has had a chance to tell the server to delete MDP the messages it has already read. This means that, next time TB MDP connects, it receives the same messages again. I don't think it can be either of those possibilities. They all say "You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (the only address under which I've ever subscribed to any of the TB lists). Also, I'm getting the same duplicates on both my home and work systems, and several copies of a particular message come through on the same retrieval session. For example, I just got home and downloaded all my messages for the day (when retrieving at work I leave them on the server). I received (among others) 4 copies of your reply to Georg Omenitsch with the subject Re: Privacy X. I have the same 4 copies on my work computer (I deliberately didn't run the "kill dupes" command before I shut down at work so I could see if they showed up here). And, in fact, if I go into the message dispatcher, all 4 copies are shown on the server. -- Best regards, Shaunamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Duplicate messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Shauna, On 04 April 2001 at 19:04:55 -0600 (which was 02:04 where I live) Shauna Scott wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points: SS I don't think it can be either of those possibilities... I SS received (among others) 4 copies of your reply to Georg Omenitsch SS with the subject Re: Privacy X. I have the same 4 copies on my SS work computer (I deliberately didn't run the "kill dupes" command SS before I shut down at work so I could see if they showed up here). SS And, in fact, if I go into the message dispatcher, all 4 copies SS are shown on the server. In that case you will have to look at and compare the routing headers to see at what stage the duplicates were generated. The dutaint server will only generate single copies. The duplication must be happening elsewhere. Perhaps one of the routing servers is failing to indicate successful SMTP transfer causing a relaying loop when the outbound server retries... - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/3/iKey1000 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOsp+pznkJKuSnc2gEQLBfQCePk8shagx7gxmNjHkXi1j0db4/o0AoIB3 rMZ7kaPn3Nt00Q8b04FxP7LL =1jh4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Duplicate messages
Hello Marck, MDP In that case you will have to look at and compare the routing headers MDP to see at what stage the duplicates were generated. The dutaint server MDP will only generate single copies. The duplication must be happening MDP elsewhere. Perhaps one of the routing servers is failing to indicate MDP successful SMTP transfer causing a relaying loop when the outbound MDP server retries... Now we're getting beyond my technical knowledge. I can't see anything that suggests a problem. Below are the headers from two of the three copies I've received of a message from you to Bubba. Maybe someone can spot something. 1st copy: Received: from maintgx.tgx.com (tgx.com [204.209.13.13]) by mail.oanet.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA40533 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dutaint.com (dip6.dutaint.com [203.130.233.8]) by maintgx.tgx.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27551 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from silverstones.com by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0rc2.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:00:14 +0700 Received: from SILVERASUS.silverstones.com [192.168.4.3] by silverstones.com [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.6.0a.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:55:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:55:15 +0100 From: "Marck D. Pearlstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! (v1.52 Beta/3/iKey1000) Organization: E-mailaholics International X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Bubba on TBUDL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mailto: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com X-UIDL: obm!!^,?"!Blk"!B5G!! 2nd copy: Received: from maintgx.tgx.com (tgx.com [204.209.13.13]) by mail.oanet.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA43998 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:33:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dutaint.com (dip6.dutaint.com [203.130.233.8]) by maintgx.tgx.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27180 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from silverstones.com by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0rc2.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:00:14 +0700 Received: from SILVERASUS.silverstones.com [192.168.4.3] by silverstones.com [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.6.0a.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:55:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:55:15 +0100 From: "Marck D. Pearlstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! (v1.52 Beta/3/iKey1000) Organization: E-mailaholics International X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Bubba on TBUDL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mailto: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com X-UIDL: (OJ!!]]C!!0X!"!:-B"! Thanks for your suggestions. -- Best regards, Shaunamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.51 on Windows NT 4.0 SP6 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Duplicate messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, My apologies for the duplicate messages coming in. I was having problems with my messages not reaching the list and after almost a full day of waiting asked Marck to post them for me. Looks as if they are finally coming through now. :-/ - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Read what I mean, not what I write. " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: Included for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOZ9RhfAXeSHuB5k3EQK/WgCcCUFYc46lpeJ07WhUsQXa6LV/uPwAoOjF GoPxybuALcHKgz+nXlCKtoUo =VpjR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
