Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello dAniel, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 1:02:52 PM, you wrote: Hello TBUDL, on Wed, 1. Sep 2004 at 20:46:13 -0700 Dennis W. Greer wrote: The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! What about 'in between' posting. That's the only way for readable discussions... -- Best regards, Tony Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Doug Weller, 03-Sep-2004 00:13, you wrote: Alexander The so called search folders in Outlook 2003 look good at Alexander first, but they are, as with every MS product, hard to set up Alexander correctly. TB's VF's produce the wanted search results much Alexander easier, accessible on ONE properties page instead of two or Alexander three nested pages with Advanced buttons (in the usual MS Alexander style - MS really screwed a good function by bad accessibility Alexander here). I need to know more about the potential of VFs -- how do you use them in searching? Sorry, I don't use them for searches. I run Popfile and use the VF's to show the messages according to the classification by Popfile. Other VFs track down conversations with individual contacts (like my girlfriend, the programmer of an audioplayer I'm betatesting, etc.). The interesting thing is that you can watch incoming and outgoing mails in a VF, together with threading by reference its really nice. What doesn't work in VFs (at least in v2.12 - haven't tried v3.00, don't know if I should do it... gotta make a backup first, anyway) is described in MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... a bad bug, I'd love to do this (anyone tried if this works in v3?! ...hell, I'm starting to think about buying v3 for a bugfix like this... bad boy! *g*). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Dung is no saint, but where it falls, it works miracles. -- Spanish Proverb Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Dennis, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:46:13 PM, you wrote: DWG Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! My thoughts exactly Only in reverse... -- Leif Gregory (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: A baseball pitcher's arm rotates from the shoulder at 7,200 degrees per second... If the pitcher kept going for a full second, their arm would make 20 full revolutions Using The Bat! 3.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Mark Partous wrote: DWG Does The Bat 3 still have the connection center malfunction? Don't have any problem with it. What's malfunctioning for you? I don't know what Deniss's problem with the CC is, but for me, if I abort/delete all tasks in the CC, I am unable to close TB as it says tasks are still active. Clicking Abort on the can't close dialog does no good and I'm forced to kill TB from Task Manager. -- Dave Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Thursday, September 2, 2004 @ 9:56:34 PM, MikeD (3) wrote: [snips] DWG Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! MikeD I think we are in the minority, thought sigh Yes, linear thought is just SO 20th century :-) -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) This whole mad cow thing has me confused. The thought of thousands of cows being slaughtered is nice, but not being able to eat meat would suck. Foscock, 30 Dec 2003 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Alexander, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:54:21 PM, you wrote: TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. Alexander The so called search folders in Outlook 2003 Alexander look good at first, but Alexander they are, as with every MS product, hard to set Alexander up correctly. TB's VF's Alexander produce the wanted search results much easier, accessible on ONE Alexander properties page instead of two or three nested pages with Advanced Alexander buttons (in the usual MS style - MS really Alexander screwed a good function by bad Alexander accessibility here). I need to know more about the potential of VFs -- how do you use them in searching? Thanks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Cory, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 11:47:57 AM, you wrote: C On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:32:52 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client ... C I fully agree. Add to that the lack of support from Ritlabs (we're C totally left on our own here at teh list, not a single fix but what about all that work on Smiley's ;-) C Personally I've been using and advocating TB for over 5 years now, but C this definitely is the end. We're with 6 pro users (add to that my C personal), as I'm the (mail) admin and in charge with the sw to use, C I'll most likely transfer us to Mercury. If anyone from development is listening stop screwing your users The reason I moved was that I was fed up with Outlook, now it looks like I'll have to go back to Outlook and that really pisses me off Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Graham Dodd wrote on 01 September 2004 11:13: Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? I joined this list because I saw the announcement and thought - perhaps they fixed the smart word wrapping/justification issues within the Micro Ed text editor and also fixed some of the other issues that put me off using version 1.x so many years ago. I downloaded and thought the new interface looked quite good, but still pretty clumsy. It is an improvement, however - at least to me. Whilst the word wrapping problem still persists, the overall interface improvements since 1.x and a few other bits and bobs almost made me reach for my credit card. What stopped me? The flipping thing doesn't pick up mail at all from my cPanel POP3 server, but it does from my MDaemon box. I've tried regular and both STARTTLS and SSL connections but the POP3 connection always fails. I've tried it on two different workstations now and it still doesn't work. Thus I've confined TheBat! to the bin. These days I use a combination of Outlook 2003 (eeew I know - but somewhat more managable with the Outlook Quotefix program) and Barca and/or PocoMail (http://www.pocosystems.com). It's well supported and works well (IMHO). Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Morgan, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 11:15:27 [GMT+0100] (which was 20:15:27 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Outlook 2003 has virtual folders, an excellent filtering system, secure e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running scripts. Does it still top post? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)gnore, (S)orry I Asked! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
John Phillips wrote on 01 September 2004 11:33: Does it still top post? Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ There's also a version for Outlook Express. Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Morgan, The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. I doubt it. Outlook 2003 has virtual folders TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. an excellent filtering system, I again doubt it. Does Outlook allow you to set up Common, Outgoing, Read and Replied filters. I doubt it. OFS in v2 was already good, but NFS in v3.0 has tremendous possibilities. secure e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running scripts. TB has them also. Anyway, if you are convinced Outlook is better... make the jump! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 6:59:51 PM, Mark Partous wrote: [snips] Does it still top post? MD Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to MD that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: Mark Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) But if it's already your calendar because it syncs with yer Palm... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers. H. L. Mencken Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, Any idea how I can get all my mails from TB into Outlook You should ask that in an Outlook users mailing list, don't you think? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:45:24 +0200, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outlook 2003 has virtual folders TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. The so called search folders in Outlook 2003 look good at first, but they are, as with every MS product, hard to set up correctly. TB's VF's produce the wanted search results much easier, accessible on ONE properties page instead of two or three nested pages with Advanced buttons (in the usual MS style - MS really screwed a good function by bad accessibility here). ...that is, *if* the VF works (see my other message sent a couple of days ago - out of memory error whatnot). Anyway, if you are convinced Outlook is better... make the jump! It depends on what one needs from an email client. I make heavy use of TB's templates (together with the Macros of course), and Outlook has zero of that (at least nothing I know of). OTOH, one may regard all this (just like Cookies, taglines, whatever) as gimmicks braincandy :) that are not really necessary. For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Martyn, It's irritating when an email client (not just The Bat!) doesn't do it for you - more so in Thunderbird than any other client. When you do Rewrap (or ALT-L in The Bat!) it does it wonderfully - but why can't it do this when you hit the Reply button so that the user is left with a beautifully formatted email ready to reply to? :) Some people may not want to re-wrap quoted text and quote it as originally formatted. Anyway, I think there is some %quotewrapped macro (not sure of it's name) available somewhere. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi, On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 12:13:28 PM, Graham Dodd wrote: Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? Becky! -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) URL:http://www.lemoal.org/ ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. MicroEd and Templates are what I am already missing most about TB by moving to Thunderbird, but I've come to a point where those features are not sufficient for me to put up with TB's poor IMAP performance. -- Dave Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 6:21:49 AM, you wrote: MDP It can. See Editor preferences: Smart MDP wrapping of quoted text. It's checked in my preferences, but doesn't do it .. Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Lynn wrote: M3 The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with M3 2.12. It works well enough for me (but I don't need M3 IMAP ... which was promised for 2 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) And has it improved with v3? I've tried at least 3 other IMAP clients which are supposed to be excellent, but if that's the case, I figure IMAP has a high vacuum rating ... I would hope TB could do better :-( I've decided I'm not even going to spend my money or time to find out if IMAP is any better on V3. I purchased the V2 upgrade a year ago for the promised fully-functioning IMAP support. Initially IMAP was quite unusable and I had to resort to other clients. Eventually I returned to TB when IMAP became somewhat usable. However, one year later with version 2.12, IMAP performance is unsatisfactory. Several times a day I get a parade of exception errors and have to kill TB from the task manager. Several times a day TB closes of it's own accord. When I reopen after either of these events, there are two copies of every message in every folder. I have to close and reopen TB to rectify that. There are numerous other annoyances and performance problems with IMAP. I had stuck it out thinking that surely the bugs would be worked out and v2 would prove eventually to be a stable IMAP client. However it never did. I've paid Ritlabs once for a functional IMAP client and never received it. I'm not going to pay again just on the hope that maybe someday it will be a good IMAP client. I'll stay subscribed to the lists and will keep watching TB. Maybe after some time I'll give v3 a try and see if has become an acceptable IMAP client, but for the time being I'm evaluating alternatives. -- Dave Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Lynn, 01-Sep-2004 17:56, you wrote: MDP It can. See Editor preferences: Smart wrapping of quoted text. It's checked in my preferences, but doesn't do it .. I'm using the %SmartQuotes macro from the MyMacros pack for that: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/ -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Neurobiology cannot be learned at the feet of a guru. -- E. O. Wilson Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
