Re: Archiving old mail messages
Saturday, July 22, 2000, 8:46:23 AM, Jamie wrote: BP Would A Large Unix file be easier to search than the individual msgs? MDP ... If you have a plain text editor with good search capabilities, MDP then yes. Such as www.ultraedit.com Sorry for advertising a commercial product but as a software engineer I use it every day. grep. It's free. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
On Thursday, July 20, 2000, 8:18:56 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Two problems that I experience. First, all the headers are included when you save messages *.msg. CO Sorry, I don't understand. Why is this a problem? This is what TB CO *should* be doing. All of the headers are included when you save messages as a Unix Mailbox, whereas only the most relevant headers, i.e. To:, From:, Subject:, Date:, etc. are included when you save messages individually as text files. I don't want the message ID's, Return Paths, In-Reply-To, References, X-Return Path, X-Priority, etc. included... that information is not relevant to me at that stage. Do you see what I mean? It would be nice if there was some method to strip that header information off the messages, leaving only the Subject, To, From, Date and File information along with the message itself. PS... My initial response to Januk's message on this thread somehow got applied to an altogether different thread... titled "Filtering Trash", and it seemed to be in response to the message by Clif Oliver. Huh? I hadn't even opened that thread as yet... all the messages were still marked as Unread? Go figure! How could that happen? You can even see Clif's initials in the quoted material, yet he wasn't the author of that material. Very strange. Nick --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owner ~ http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages -- Threading
On Friday, July 21, 2000, 12:36:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nnn I have found some threading is totally out of whack -- totally unrelated nnn messages appear under one thread -- they are not from mailing list, from nnn different senders with different subjects, etc. Yes, very strange behaviour indeed. I had never seen that before Beta 11, but I'm not sure if it's related or not. Nick --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owner ~ http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:34:32 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, July 21, 2000, 6:34:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Hi Ben, On 21 July 2000 at 17:07:59 GMT -0600 (which was 00:07 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Archiving old mail messages": ML Don't select the "Message files (.MSG)" option when you export. Use ML the "Unix Mailbox" option instead. The output would be a perfectly ML readable plain text file with all the messages you select. BP Would A Large Unix file be easier to search than the individual msgs? ... If you have a plain text editor with good search capabilities, then yes. what one really needs for mail is a specific database storage method Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.45 Beta/11 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
On Friday, July 21, 2000, 1:06:59 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP You can configure the exact layout of a saved message MDP there. The release notes on TBBETA have called it "Save Template" and MDP I have been looking all over for a way of stashing templates to disk! MDP The veil is now lifted. Yes, and that is exactly how my messages appear _if_ saved as a text file, which I have done, as an example with your message: From:Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Andriash on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Friday, July 21, 2000, 1:06:59 AM Subject: Archiving old mail messages Files: none The text of the message follows the above headers. OTOH, if I save the message as a Unix Mailbox... which according to some is the most efficient way to save a large number of messages... then all of the following headers are included with _each_ message: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jul 21 01:40:19 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from h8.mail.home.com ([24.0.95.50]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:08:54 -0700 Received: from mx4-rwc.mail.home.com (mx4-rwc.mail.home.com [24.0.95.33]) by h8.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA04302 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.dutaint.com (ns2.dutaint.com [203.130.233.13]) by mx4-rwc.mail.home.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28794 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silverstones.com by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.1.1c.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:07:22 +0700 Received: from MARCKINSPIRON [192.168.4.105] by silverstones.com [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.1.1c.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:07:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:06:59 +0100 From: "Marck D. Pearlstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45 Beta/11) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: E-mailaholics International X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Andriash on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Archiving old mail messages In-reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDRcpt-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com so you begin to see the problem. Is there some way to eliminate all of the above headers being included... through use of the Save Message template perhaps? It seems to affect only those messages saved as text files. Nick --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owner ~ http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hi Nick, On 21 July 2000 at 01:52:49 GMT -0700 (which was 09:52 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Archiving old mail messages": NA Is there some way to eliminate all of the above headers being NA included... through use of the Save Message template perhaps? It NA seems to affect only those messages saved as text files. The Unix mailbox export format is a specific format for migrating the mail and *must* include all headers to work. What is needed is a new option - to save multiple messages to a single file. This is a wish-list issue :-) . -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hi Marck, Nick and others, What is needed is a new option - to save multiple messages to a single file. This is a wish-list issue :-) I have no idea what you guys are whining about. ;-) TB can do this now. I've just use ctrl-+ to expand this whole thread from Lawrence down, select all of them, and save all 20 messages into one text file. Nicely done. No problem. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hi Ming-Li, On 21 July 2000 at 06:20:01 GMT -0700 (which was 14:20 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Archiving old mail messages": What is needed is a new option - to save multiple messages to a single file. This is a wish-list issue :-) ML I have no idea what you guys are whining about. ;-) TB can do this ML now. I've just use ctrl-+ to expand this whole thread from Lawrence ML down, select all of them, and save all 20 messages into one text ML file. Nicely done. No problem. I never need to do this - I just took Nick's word for it that it didn't happen... that'll teach me to check. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
On Friday, July 21, 2000, 6:50:20 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP I never need to do this - I just took Nick's word for it that it MDP didn't happen... that'll teach me to check. Well, I must admit that I _am_ at fault... I was only going by what the originator of this thread was stating, and never verified it myself. Bad me! :o( Nick --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owner ~ http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hi Marck, I keep them all and have 64k+ in my message base at present. IMHO The best method for handling high volume folders to have come up so far is to have a main and archive folder and let a filter copy incoming mail to both. Give the "main" folder a size or time limit to keep the size down. This makes it easy to browse "current" mail yet still have an easily accessible archive. The downside for this approach is you loose everything done in the main folder. Replied, parked, flagged, marked with color, priority changed, or deleted--everything done to a message won't be reflected in the archive folder. I, too, have an archive folder for every high volume folder. I manually move messages from the main folder to it once a while. This approach doesn't have to downside mentioned above, but it's not automatic. To have a perfect archive solution, something has to be done at the RITLabs' end. Let's keep wishing. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:05:47 -0400, Lawrence Kalmakoff wrote: LK What have users been doing (if anything) to off-load old messages LK while still being able to view them, if necessary? I created another account solely for archiving purposes. Since I can filter based on message age, I can archive messages by using read message filters to move messages to the archive account folders.I run them manually at interval periods. -- A.C. Martin [ TB! v1.45 Beta/11 | Win2k Pro ] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Oxymoron: Military Intelligence " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hi Lawrence, In the short time that I have been using TB!, I have managed to accumulate over 6000 messages, some of which I would like to off-load to an archive-type file. One of the few features that I liked about Outlook 98 was its ability to archive old/selected messages. I have tried exporting the messages but that gave me hundreds of individual message files cryptically numbered 1 ... Don't select the "Message files (.MSG)" option when you export. Use the "Unix Mailbox" option instead. The output would be a perfectly readable plain text file with all the messages you select. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hi Ben, On 21 July 2000 at 17:07:59 GMT -0600 (which was 00:07 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Archiving old mail messages": ML Don't select the "Message files (.MSG)" option when you export. Use ML the "Unix Mailbox" option instead. The output would be a perfectly ML readable plain text file with all the messages you select. BP Would A Large Unix file be easier to search than the individual msgs? ... If you have a plain text editor with good search capabilities, then yes. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:51 +0100, Miguel Anjo wrote: MA I created two sub-folders for Inbox and Sent and then I also use MA read message filters like Curtis. MA Is there any advantage to use a separate account instead of a separate MA folder in the same account? MA I speak in terms of velocity reading the recent mail and MA opening/closing TB. Also in terms of space wasted. Only in terms of efficient backing up. If you keep your busy account light on message counts, you could back up far more frequently and without much hassle while you can leave archive backups to a weekly or so exercise. -- A.C. Martin [ TB! v1.45 Beta/11 | Win2k Pro ] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "LOTUS - Let Only The Users Suffer " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hi SRNA, On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:59:09 -0400GMT (21/07/2000, 09:59 +0800GMT), SRNA wrote: C I created another account solely for archiving purposes. Since I C can filter based on message age, I can archive messages by using read C message filters to move messages to the archive account folders.I run C them manually at interval periods. S How do you filter based on message age? Account / Sorting Office / Read Messages / New / Advanced. Scroll down to "Message is older than...". However, you are using TB version 1.41, and I am not sure it was implemented then. Try to upgrade to the current release version, 1.44. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.44 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
On Thursday, July 20, 2000, 2:17:22 PM, Ming-Li wrote: ML Don't select the "Message files (.MSG)" option when you export. Use ML the "Unix Mailbox" option instead. The output would be a perfectly ML readable plain text file with all the messages you select. Two problems that I experience. First, all the headers are included when you save messages *.msg. Secondly, if you have a Folder with multiple threads, and each thread with numerous messages, I have yet to find a menu item that would let you select _all_ the messages... nothing that is intuitive anyway. I believe there is a keyboard shortcut to do that, but I can never remember what it is the moment I want to use it. :o( Is there any way that you can prevent the headers from being included with saving messages to a Unix Mailbox? For my second problem, I sure wish Max and the boys would include a menu item for "Select All Messages" within a Folder... to make it easy not only to save messages to a file, but also to move messages from Folder to Folder. Nick --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owner ~ http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old mail messages
Hello Nick, On Thursday, July 20, 2000 at 19:31:06 GMT -0700 (which was 7:31 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Two problems that I experience. First, all the headers are included when you save messages *.msg. Sorry, I don't understand. Why is this a problem? This is what TB *should* be doing. Secondly, if you have a Folder with multiple threads, and each thread with numerous messages, I have yet to find a menu item that would let you select _all_ the messages... nothing that is intuitive anyway. I agree this could/should be improved. I believe there is a keyboard shortcut to do that, but I can never remember what it is the moment I want to use it. :o( Are you referring to the combination of shortcuts, CTRL-* Expand all threads CTRL-A Select all visible messages Perhaps a mnemonic would help. I have one that doesn't make much sense when I write it out. I'm sure someone can come up with a good memory aide for this key combo... For my second problem, I sure wish Max and the boys would include a menu item for "Select All Messages" within a Folder... to make it easy not only to save messages to a file, but also to move messages from Folder to Folder. I can't argue with this. Everything that you can do by keyboard should be available through menus. Of course the menus may be a bit slower than the keyboard shortcuts, but the option should still be there. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
