Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 20 Dec 2004, @ @ at 08:32:26 +1100, when Robin Anson wrote: On Sun 19 December 2004, 3:52:05 +1000, Mica Mijatovic wrote: Just to add shortly that I found that PGP 6.0.2i, coming with PGPdisk, is free, and that's the way how I solved use of an encrypted volume I keep TB and Mail in, under both XP and Win98Se. I used to run 6.0.2i for PGPdisk, but when I was upgraded to WinXP I decided to get PGP 8 because there seemed to be some doubt about whether 6.0.2i version of PGPdisk was compatible with WinXP. It claims not to be, and the consequence of losing the contents of my encrypted disk containers was too great to take the risk. Now, when I thought that I finally found a solution, you are puzzling me. In 6.0.2i documentation they mention only NT Windows, of this branch, not any XP, true. But I didn't get any warning, during installation or else, related to any risk or incompatibility, and up to now it works quite well. Can you tell me please where this claiming is coming from exactly, so I could put a closer attention and see what I can do? Is it possible that it has something with service packs? This XP I still use for experimenting purposes (since I *have* to use them occasionally when am involved in a work for others, so that I want to be familiar enough with the OS), and one copy being on my machine, means that I treat *this one* as I treat my old 98se: no any service packs, and strictly tamed by microlite/litepc technology and similar. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :bearhug: [Earth LOG: 110 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBxsp59q62QPd3XuIRAjnqAJ9mJFb6WE0ZwWxs8RgmUKnr6JNBMgCeO6yi 5xwAFitkhW6V/wb7fep2AnA= =IgOW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Date : Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:32:26 +1100 Robin Anson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote this lines: Robin On Sun 19 December 2004, 3:52:05 +1000, Mica Mijatovic wrote: Just to add shortly that I found that PGP 6.0.2i, coming with PGPdisk, is free, and that's the way how I solved use of an encrypted volume I keep TB and Mail in, under both XP and Win98Se. Robin I used to run 6.0.2i for PGPdisk, but when I was upgraded to WinXP I Robin decided to get PGP 8 because there seemed to be some doubt about whether Robin 6.0.2i version of PGPdisk was compatible with WinXP. It claims not to Robin be, and the consequence of losing the contents of my encrypted disk Robin containers was too great to take the risk. Windows XP is not compatible with previous versions of PGP 8.x PGP CyberKnights Templar 6.5.8 and also have PGPDisk included and it's compatible with Windows XP. - -- Cheers, B R i a N S ,- [ I'm listening right now ] |Cranberries, The - Shattered `-- Composed on 12/20/2004 at 8:56 AM using The Bat! Natural Email System ! v3.0.2.10 All truly wise thoughts have been thought already thousands of times; but to make them truly ours, we must think them over again honestly, till they take root in our personal experience.-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.1 Corporate Desktop Security http://www.nai.com Comment: If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy.--prz iQA/AwUBQcbbn3e26k6OWHc8EQJI1gCfUsZkoQ3bJeZMJ6M9bK/wabE453wAmwRz yvmkybH4qveiMKvZXFdzCYl1 =Rt6Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGPfreeware 6.0.2i ftp download (was: Re: Pgp Software)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Date : Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:18:34 +0100 Henk de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote this lines: Henk Hello Mica, Henk On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:52:05 +0100GMT (18-12-2004, 17:52 +0100, where Henk I live), you wrote: Henk ...snip Henk ftp://ftp.de.pgpi.org/pub/pgp/6.0/6.0.2i/PGPfreeware602i.exe Henk does not work :-( ftp://ftp.hacktic.nl/pub/crypto/pgp/pgp60/pgp602i_freeware Try this link ;) - -- Saludos, B R i a N S ,- [ I'm listening right now ] |Kelvis - Si tu no quieres `- Composed on 12/19/2004 at 9:55 AM using The Bat! Natural Email System ! v3.0.2.10 The world is coming to an end. Please log off.-- Posix 2.1.1 System Shutdown Message -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.1 Corporate Desktop Security http://www.nai.com Comment: If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy.--prz iQA/AwUBQcWXNXe26k6OWHc8EQKGlwCdHqVV5fB0OnZDjBHs8EJ6HsyZm2UAoIR6 xBIix9jq4Z+rIpvmt0sksC/R =+fNE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGPfreeware 6.0.2i ftp download (was: Re: Pgp Software)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello B, On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:58:51 -0500GMT (19-12-2004, 15:58 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ftp://ftp.hacktic.nl/pub/crypto/pgp/pgp60/pgp602i_freeware Try this link ;) Thanks! I already managed to download. - -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.2.10nl Professional on Windows XP SP2 PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID Gossamer Spider Web of Trust GSWoT http://gswot.webhop.info/ A Progressive and Innovative Web of Trust -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.955 iD8DBQFBxa5LEgabk9vm5ngRAq94AKCTzRgzISqL/xRYML8x6/lDGBl9pQCePL3M EOU9VifzfAsHDFi13GftfIQ= =NYSu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
On Sun 19 December 2004, 3:52:05 +1000, Mica Mijatovic wrote: Just to add shortly that I found that PGP 6.0.2i, coming with PGPdisk, is free, and that's the way how I solved use of an encrypted volume I keep TB and Mail in, under both XP and Win98Se. I used to run 6.0.2i for PGPdisk, but when I was upgraded to WinXP I decided to get PGP 8 because there seemed to be some doubt about whether 6.0.2i version of PGPdisk was compatible with WinXP. It claims not to be, and the consequence of losing the contents of my encrypted disk containers was too great to take the risk. -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 18 Oct 2004, @ @ at 21:04:27 +0200, when Peter Palmreuther wrote: - PGP-Desktop is as expensive as DriveCrypt, the successor of Scramdisk, but you get not only the disk encrypter, but a general (including, but not limited to communication-) encrypter as well. Just to add shortly that I found that PGP 6.0.2i, coming with PGPdisk, is free, and that's the way how I solved use of an encrypted volume I keep TB and Mail in, under both XP and Win98Se. I took this version of PGP just because of this PGPdisk, while still prefer (tiny and mighty) GnuPG for all other things. (-: Thanks a lot for all the rest you did write; I'm still thinking about it and am rummaging around. Ah yes, for those interested in this version of PGP, the download link is ftp://ftp.de.pgpi.org/pub/pgp/6.0/6.0.2i/PGPfreeware602i.exe. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :banana: [Earth LOG: 108 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBxGA09q62QPd3XuIRAiamAJ4tCp60/c+UUq1dDuMgcs92+V3NJQCfbmke Vp9qZh4tU6WV4zgqkpVB5S8= =WOVY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:52:05 +0100GMT (18-12-2004, 17:52 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ...snip ftp://ftp.de.pgpi.org/pub/pgp/6.0/6.0.2i/PGPfreeware602i.exe does not work :-( -- Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.2.10nl Professional on Windows XP SP2 PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID Gossamer Spider Web of Trust GSWoT http://gswot.webhop.info/ A Progressive and Innovative Web of Trust Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Henk, Saturday, December 18, 2004, 10:18:34 AM, you wrote: HdB ftp://ftp.de.pgpi.org/pub/pgp/6.0/6.0.2i/PGPfreeware602i.exe HdB does not work :-( Try: ftp://ftp.zedz.net/pub/crypto/pgp/ -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BayesIt! 0.5.5 Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A pgp key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 18 Dec 2004, @ @ at 19:18:34 +0100, when Henk de Bruijn wrote: Hello Mica, On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:52:05 +0100GMT (18-12-2004, 17:52 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ...snip ftp://ftp.de.pgpi.org/pub/pgp/6.0/6.0.2i/PGPfreeware602i.exe does not work :-( It worked on Sat Oct 16 2004 for me. I admit that most German FTP servers work very slow for me, but must be there are other places this version can be found. Try to google a bit by the file name, or try again the link. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :happypiglet: [Earth LOG: 108 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBxHtC9q62QPd3XuIRAqXWAJ47VBKyXFY2J/Wiu7xvQbaytVWYpQCgkQm3 PBTb7lHEN1al1WBBIVcujNo= =sZ+X -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Scott, On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:31:58 -0800GMT (18-12-2004, 19:31 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Try: ftp://ftp.zedz.net/pub/crypto/pgp/ Thanks! - -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.2.10nl Professional on Windows XP SP2 PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID Gossamer Spider Web of Trust GSWoT http://gswot.webhop.info/ A Progressive and Innovative Web of Trust -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFBxIG9Egabk9vm5ngRApHQAKC+UnsiyAIYC6e7w9Bi9PmqmIGkBACg7NIs BoByFTWwu3nJVwOi9hl5efg= =1H1K -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:47:31 +0100GMT (18-12-2004, 19:47 +0100, where I live), you wrote: It worked on Sat Oct 16 2004 for me. I admit that most German FTP servers work very slow for me, but must be there are other places this version can be found. Try to google a bit by the file name, or try again the link. Thanks, Scott helped me with an alternative address. Downloaded it.. -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.2.10nl Professional on Windows XP SP2 PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID Gossamer Spider Web of Trust GSWoT http://gswot.webhop.info/ A Progressive and Innovative Web of Trust Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, On Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 2:41:35 PM Mica [MM] wrote: MM I hopped that's possible that you boot gradually, firstly in DOS MM mode, then you decrypt containers, and then boot in Windows. This MM way you would be able to encrypt entire OS partition as well. This would actually require a DOS based OS, which WinNT, Win2k and WinXP aren't. Additionally you'd need to write a boot loader which can replace current (DOS) kernel by Windows kernel, as from DOS-stage you're not really executing a boot process as BIOS does. Additionally this replacement has to performed in a way that keeps nevertheless crucial parts of the DOS-kernel loaded, for PGPDisk-drivers not being unloaded. All in all this would be a quite complex thing and I don't think somebody already managed this for Windows. MM But there is still an other advantage of PGP over Scramdisk (which can MM be used without any installation, and from a floppy), and this is, if I MM understood well, that your files in a mounted container are all in a MM non-readable form, except the ones you have active/open in the given MM moment, when you work with them. Well ... define have open. Having a file open requires to open it first. This open would fail if the file(s) were non-readable. So it/they must be readable, else you wouldn't be able to open it yourself. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) So, George, do you really believe Monotheism is a gift from the gods? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 18 Oct 2004, @ @ at 13:07:59 +0200, when Peter Palmreuther wrote: [...] All in all this would be a quite complex thing and I don't think somebody already managed this for Windows. Ah, I see... OK then, what remains is to relocate then the critical programs and sensitive files to an encrypted partition/container, and that should have the job done pretty well. So, that supposed advantage of PGP Disk over Scramdisk is dismissed. MM But there is still an other advantage of PGP over Scramdisk (which can MM be used without any installation, and from a floppy), and this is, if I MM understood well, that your files in a mounted container are all in a MM non-readable form, except the ones you have active/open in the given MM moment, when you work with them. Well ... define have open. Having a file open requires to open it first. This open would fail if the file(s) were non-readable. So it/they must be readable, else you wouldn't be able to open it yourself. This what I wrote above is based on characteristics described in PGP User Guide: Even a mounted volume is protected: unless a file or application is in use, it is stored in encrypted format. This defined by in use I worded by have open. For the term encrypted format, I have used non-readable form. (Not sure about correctness of my term for the latter one, that is if is possible that something encrypted might be readable.) If this is true, it would give a certain advantage when we use programs/files in a mounted container while we are eg. 'on line', and *if* a possible trojan beasts are active, so that if any data from the container is stolen, it will be in encrypted format; except the one we have in use in this moment, and *if* the wise-guy/girl targeted right this one, eg. some message we read (therefore being in use) in TB right in this moment. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 47 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBc9TE9q62QPd3XuIRAgfWAKCK6NelYE49+EVmGTeQMuMxN02gfwCfTVKo E/2XyU6uk+qOv7nZ0rX8dKk= =Q9wv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 4:35:49 PM Mica [MM] wrote: MM But there is still an other advantage of PGP over Scramdisk (which can MM be used without any installation, and from a floppy), and this is, if I MM understood well, that your files in a mounted container are all in a MM non-readable form, except the ones you have active/open in the given MM moment, when you work with them. Well ... define have open. Having a file open requires to open it first. This open would fail if the file(s) were non-readable. So it/they must be readable, else you wouldn't be able to open it yourself. MM This what I wrote above is based on characteristics described in PGP MM User Guide: Even a mounted volume is protected: unless a file or MM application is in use, it is stored in encrypted format. MM This defined by in use I worded by have open. Correct. MM For the term encrypted format, I have used non-readable form. Not really correct. What the sentence is about to tell is: the PGP-Volume is decrypted on-the-fly, that means: whenever something uses the usual way to open a file, i.e. using system call to file system, the PGP-driver will fetch the file from PGP-volumen and decrypt it's contents. The opposite would be: when a PGP-volume is mounted it is decrypted, hang into the system and all files are present in a decrypted form. The advantage of PGPs way is little, but not really useless: there's no chance to raw byte access the PGP-volume and steal files, you'll have to use system calls to gain access to a file. With a decrypted volume being mounted (the way PGP does not go) one could raw byte access this device and fetch all the data in their decrypted representation. I don't know why any malicious software would try to raw-access a block device, instead of simply using file system calls, except if something like ACLs (access control lists) might prevent access through sys-calls. As PGP-volumes can be formatted using NTFS this even a mounted volume is protected could make sense. But I guess Scramdisk uses similar technology, else RAM or HDD-space could rather fast go low, if a complete disk would be stored encryped AND decrypted when mounted. Nevertheless I think PGP-disk is superior to Scramdisk (from what I see on Scramdisk home page as features being supported and screenshots being presented): - PGP-volumes can be located at any formatted partition, not only FAT (if the web site is actually right with this limitation) - PGP-volumes can be NTFS formatted, I don't see a single hint Scramdisk supports something different than FAT. This leads to mounted volumes are NOT necessarily open to everybody with file system access, because normal Windows permissions can be applied on top of encryption. - PGPDisk supports AES (256Bit) - PGP-Desktop is as expensive as DriveCrypt, the successor of Scramdisk, but you get not only the disk encrypter, but a general (including, but not limited to communication-) encrypter as well. But that's just MHO, it doesn't necessarily mean somebody has to share it :-) There's one thing that makes me wonder: DriveCrypt Plus Pack - encrypts the whole operating system I'm not really sure if and how this works reliable and fast when it comes to Windows being installed ... but I might be narrow-minded :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) We are not punished for our sins, but by them. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
***^\ ._)~~
~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 16 Oct 2004,
@ @ at 21:21:10 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote:
On 16/10/2004 at 5:24:50 PM, Mica, [M] wrote:
When you're mentioning PGP... you know, perhaps, that I don't like
big applications, and that I am a fan of tiny and mighty. (:
But, I heard, and am not sure, yet, is this true, that PGP (the one
coming with PGP disk) has a feature to decrypt a disk/container
*before* Windows' is booted. Is that true?
Hmm. Never heard of this capability and there's one small problem,
i.e., the issue of the need for a passphrase to decrypt and mount the
pgp disk.
I came across the following and think it's this functionality that has
been exaggerated:
,- / To mount PGPdisk volumes automatically \
|Create a shortcut for each of the PGPdisk files that you want mounted
|when you start your computer.
|
|Place the shortcut(s) in the Winnt\Profiles\{Name of Current User}\
|Start Menu\Programs\startup folder.
|
|Once you have placed the shortcut(s) in your startup folder, the
|PGPdisk volumes are mounted whenever you start your computer.
|
|Note: You are prompted to enter the passphrase for each PGPdisk volume
|as it mounts.
`-
Yes, that's uttermost what I got from the Manual too, in this sense.
Then it is same as with Scramdisk. I hopped that's possible that you
boot gradually, firstly in DOS mode, then you decrypt containers, and
then boot in Windows. This way you would be able to encrypt entire OS
partition as well.
But there is still an other advantage of PGP over Scramdisk (which can
be used without any installation, and from a floppy), and this is, if I
understood well, that your files in a mounted container are all in a
non-readable form, except the ones you have active/open in the given
moment, when you work with them. This is a fine and a serious advantage,
and if it shows true, I would probably replace Scramdisk with PGP Disk.
- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast
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=KDR0
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Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 15 Oct 2004, @ @ at 12:41:58 +0200, when Mica Mijatovic wrote: Was Fri, 24 Sep 2004, at 14:01:28 -0400, when Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MM Anyway and whatever could happen, a longer means more time, as I MM understand these cracking technics. (-: More time - good, positive. MM Fast - bad, negative. this is true. But really, what is it I am protecting, and how bad do i want to protect it? There aren't that many passwords that i have that are really that important to me, who would really want them?? and if they got them, could they hurt me?? probably no, most of the time. especially with PGP and an encrypted message! I don't use it much, but if things get sensitive, I can always use it! I agree, particularly with the first sentence. Ops! It sounds as I referred to the this is true. part, although I didn't perceive it as a sentence but as a part of some previous one. What I had considered here as the first sentence actually was: But really, what is it I am protecting, and how bad do i want to protect it? (-: - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 45 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBcRLM9q62QPd3XuIRAnJBAKCKUgx8/GzfW+jr55HlY/sqnySh2QCeOW1t 6d7fzBlPV6VLJQ6+W1IX4tY= =8KtZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 16 Oct 2004, @ @ at 13:13:12 -0400, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all these discussion about PGP, I wanted to give a try I hope the PGP will work If I had your public key, I could verify your signature. Now, I only get this: gpg: Signature made 10/16/04 19:13:12 Central Europe Daylight Time using DSA key ID B17827E7 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 45 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBcWHS9q62QPd3XuIRAjZcAJ4uRggUfjWaRaN1D7Io2kVgtWL2VgCbBQ2n uSNj7NW89kPC/jYCeCxZopU= =BEHt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 16 Oct 2004, @ @ at 15:51:54 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote: On 16/10/2004 at 1:00:51 PM, Mica, [M] wrote: If I had your public key, I could verify your signature. Now, I only get this: You suffered GnuPG's weakness, i.e., its inability to check more than one keyserver. PGP found his key just fine. The signature is good too. I believe I rather suffered a narrowed consciousness, since I had not in mind at all to look at key server (pgp.mit.edu always so far delivers me the wanted key), but instead I examined body and the headers of message, for a clue. When you're mentioning PGP... you know, perhaps, that I don't like big applications, and that I am a fan of tiny and mighty. (: But, I heard, and am not sure, yet, is this true, that PGP (the one coming with PGP disk) has a feature to decrypt a disk/container *before* Windows' is booted. Is that true? I downloaded yesterday PGPfreeware602i.exe, installed it, but still couldn't get close with it, nor have it tried out more detailed. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 46 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBcZ+x9q62QPd3XuIRAkWCAJ0eCvtOfosS/5dvChKiljZ/d2ZmfwCfaecm NguXcrZ4If0H6gjTJkb2aM4= =TqIt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
On 16/10/2004 at 5:24:50 PM, Mica, [M] wrote:
When you're mentioning PGP... you know, perhaps, that I don't like
big applications, and that I am a fan of tiny and mighty. (:
But, I heard, and am not sure, yet, is this true, that PGP (the one
coming with PGP disk) has a feature to decrypt a disk/container
*before* Windows' is booted. Is that true?
Hmm. Never heard of this capability and there's one small problem,
i.e., the issue of the need for a passphrase to decrypt and mount the
pgp disk.
I came across the following and think it's this functionality that has
been exaggerated:
,- / To mount PGPdisk volumes automatically \
|Create a shortcut for each of the PGPdisk files that you want mounted
|when you start your computer.
|
|Place the shortcut(s) in the Winnt\Profiles\{Name of Current User}\
|Start Menu\Programs\startup folder.
|
|Once you have placed the shortcut(s) in your startup folder, the
|PGPdisk volumes are mounted whenever you start your computer.
|
|Note: You are prompted to enter the passphrase for each PGPdisk volume
|as it mounts.
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Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Was Fri, 24 Sep 2004, at 14:01:28 -0400, when Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MM Anyway and whatever could happen, a longer means more time, as I MM understand these cracking technics. (-: More time - good, positive. MM Fast - bad, negative. this is true. But really, what is it I am protecting, and how bad do i want to protect it? There aren't that many passwords that i have that are really that important to me, who would really want them?? and if they got them, could they hurt me?? probably no, most of the time. especially with PGP and an encrypted message! I don't use it much, but if things get sensitive, I can always use it! I agree, particularly with the first sentence. As for the last one, there are opinions that is best to sign/encrypt ALL your mail, since if you do that only with the sensitive ones, then it's easier for a snooper to direct his/her dirty intentions. But, while signing is always possible, encrypting is not, since you would have to have then your correspondents able to use some PGP/GPG software. Also is handy to put y|our public key info somewhere in a corner of your mail, so that if someone would want to send you an enveloped/encrypted message, it would be possible. Now, this indeed has gone to OT area. - -- Mica -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBb6l19q62QPd3XuIRAomtAJ41f/KxDHnjvmpoViCoj1Vd0xvkWgCfeOyi lrr4ByYfLxehgMuoe9dsyM8= =mw9r -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Paul, Friday, September 24, 2004, 8:04:53 PM, you wrote: . tell me about these electronic keys, a web site?? PGP Options - Smartcard support Choose carefully. Not every brand is as much supported as the other. 1 usually key can handle several passwords. So it could for example also be used as windows login. -iKey: http://www.safenet-inc.com/products/ikey/index.asp -Alladin: http://www.ealaddin.com/etoken/default.asp -Gemplus: http://www.gemplus.fr/pss/id_security/ -Schlumberger: http://www.scryptosystems.com/SCRYPTOMEDIA%20eGate%201p%20uk.pdf Personally I prefer keys over smart cards because the keys are smaller and physically stronger. And most PCs already have a USB slot but very few have a smard card reader. I can't find any info about biometrics anymore. Sorry for that. But there are for example mice that only work when your fingerprint is detected. Another thing you might consider is a USB pen (drive). Those are 512KB-4GB 'harddisks' You can easily store your PGP keyring on it. Just like PGP can store a keyring on floppy. The added benefit of this method is that you can also use it for transporting (little) files or store private information. Price $14$900 The idea and use is quite simple but finding the one that fits best with your wishes will take you some time investigating. Good luck on the secure side! :-) -- Tony ah, yes, divorce..., from the Latin word meaning to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Tony, Saturday, September 25, 2004, 3:19:16 AM, you wrote: T Choose carefully. Not every brand is as much supported as the other. T 1 usually key can handle several passwords. So it could for example T also be used as windows login. thanks, I have parked and flagged your message ! T -iKey: http://www.safenet-inc.com/products/ikey/index.asp I like this one.. the master key function sounds interesting. but.. what happens if you LOSE the key or it gets stepped on or stolen?? T -Alladin: http://www.ealaddin.com/etoken/default.asp T -Gemplus: http://www.gemplus.fr/pss/id_security/ T -Schlumberger: T http://www.scryptosystems.com/SCRYPTOMEDIA%20eGate%201p%20uk.pdf -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Paul, Saturday, September 25, 2004, 1:20:41 PM, you wrote: Hello Tony, Saturday, September 25, 2004, 3:19:16 AM, you wrote: T Choose carefully. Not every brand is as much supported as the other. T 1 usually key can handle several passwords. So it could for example T also be used as windows login. thanks, I have parked and flagged your message ! T -iKey: http://www.safenet-inc.com/products/ikey/index.asp I like this one.. the master key function sounds interesting. but.. what happens if you LOSE the key or it gets stepped on or stolen?? Yep that's a problem. I have to say they are pretty strong and don't break easily. In case of theft/loss the 1st thing you should do is change all you passwords. That way the stolen key outlived its use. But I assume you change passwords on every occasion you suspect someone has read the Post-It on your monitor too :-) I think it's also wise to keep a copy in a safe place. The iKeys can also be password protected by a SOpin (System Operator Pin) and a user password. The SOpin password should be a very strong one you write down and store safely. The user password could be something simple. In the iKey configuration software you can set the number of tries before the iKey blocks. After it is blocked not even the right pin will not grant you access. Only the SOpin can open the iKey again. That's why the the SOpin must be extremely strong. As said just print that pin and put it in your bank vault. If all goes well you never need it. SecureBat! http://www.ccokc.org/articles/2004%20Articles/Jan04%20Articles/Jan04_Lockdown%20e-Mail_Rice.htm BTW I have no idea why RitLabs charges $80 for a iKey.. As you should have guessed by now I have a iKey :-) I didn't originally buy it for PGP. Later on I noticed that PGP doesn't support my iKey version. So choose the right type. Also buy the one with the most space you can find. Some solutions require a 'lot' of storage space T -Alladin: http://www.ealaddin.com/etoken/default.asp T -Gemplus: http://www.gemplus.fr/pss/id_security/ T -Schlumberger: T http://www.scryptosystems.com/SCRYPTOMEDIA%20eGate%201p%20uk.pdf -- Tony A clever man commits no minor blunders. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 21 Sep 2004, @ @ at 15:22:19 -0400, when Paul Cartwright wrote: Hello Mica, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 2:50:35 PM, you wrote: MM This eMale thinger gotta spillclicker with all sortsa kewl scwiggly red MM lans undur everthung just to show me am awrite. (c) MM Lo again, a magic number - 99 characters! this is a very old tactic, but I've never used such LONG words.. another good way is to use a phrase ( OR TWO :) and substitute numbers for letters: say one at a time 0n3 @t a t!m3 change all vowels to non-alpha characters. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that long enough?? You never know until you try. :grin: Thomas said they already have some enhanced dictionary attack technics, which would crack such passwords for a shorter time than before, but I haven't tested any. Would be interesting to know how those crackers of the new generation manage with a mix of Cyrillic and other letters derived from Latin ones, and with various letter's arrangements/layouts transposing 8-bit characters to 7-bit ones. As I know dictionary attack would have no a way to resolve such a puzzle, so the only effective attack would have to go step by step, or character by character, and in ascending/descending order. Therefore, if you want to get in time, you use characters around the middle. (-; Anyway and whatever could happen, a longer means more time, as I understand these cracking technics. (-: More time - good, positive. Fast - bad, negative. -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 23 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] pgpjwbRxM3VoC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, Friday, September 24, 2004, 3:24:06 PM, you wrote: You never know until you try. :grin: Thomas said they already have some enhanced dictionary attack technics, which would crack such passwords for a shorter time than before, but I haven't tested any. I think Thomas refers to what I know as morphing attacks. Indeed such an attack could be faster if the word is only slightly changed like w!nd. But when the word gets mutilated enough a morphing attack won't have much success. It just becomes a brute force attack. Just download one of the many RAR password crackers as a test. 1-4 chars is very fast 5 chars gets hard. And on 6 chars we already talking about weeks. Using only chars found on the keyboard there are about 102 different chars. That means that breaking it takes 102x longer for every char added. BTW lots of software just waits a second before it processes the entered password. That means only 1 password per second will be tested; no matter how fast the hardware is. Using some Alt+... chars greatly increases the entropy of a password. ° = alt+248 or = alt+159 all typed on the numeric keypad and easy to remember. Personally I have a list with passwords like th798*3%5#ö% No way I can remember them but you can store them in bookmark programs. So you have to remember just one password. Or use a electronic key. PGP supports several electronic keys and even biometrics IIRC. An electronic key is just a little USB key that fits on your key ring. (a real key ring like the one you keep your car keys on) Stick it in a USB slot and PGP will detect it and opens the key ring. Nothing to remember and very high entropy passwords. Enough to match the security of PGP itself. They cost around USD 30 -- Tony Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, Friday, September 24, 2004, 9:24:06 AM, you wrote: MM As I know dictionary attack would have no a way to resolve such a MM puzzle, so the only effective attack would have to go step by step, or MM character by character, and in ascending/descending order. Therefore, MM if you want to get in time, you use characters around the middle. (-; I'll continue to use what I can remember.. The older I get, the less I can remember :) MM Anyway and whatever could happen, a longer means more time, as I MM understand these cracking technics. (-: More time - good, positive. MM Fast - bad, negative. this is true. But really, what is it I am protecting, and how bad do i want to protect it? There aren't that many passwords that i have that are really that important to me, who would really want them?? and if they got them, could they hurt me?? probably no, most of the time. especially with PGP and an encrypted message! I don't use it much, but if things get sensitive, I can always use it! -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Tony, Friday, September 24, 2004, 12:03:05 PM, you wrote: T Personally I have a list with passwords like th798*3%5#ö% T No way I can remember them but you can store them in bookmark T programs. So you have to remember just one password. Or use a T electronic key. last place I worked, we had these key fobs, that had a digital readout that changed every 60 seconds. It was synched to our servers, so when I logged in, I had a password AND used the digits from that fob. that was nice when it worked, and it was HLL when it didn't. T PGP supports several electronic keys and even biometrics IIRC. T An electronic key is just a little USB key that fits on your key ring. T (a real key ring like the one you keep your car keys on) T Stick it in a USB slot and PGP will detect it and opens the key ring. T Nothing to remember and very high entropy passwords. Enough to match T the security of PGP itself. They cost around USD 30 tell me about these electronic keys, a web site?? -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 21 Sep 2004, @ @ at 18:23:11 -0400, when rich gregory wrote: MM 05x1ca9PMAMCEkaban1ca [again a magic number, 22] MM This eMale thinger gotta spillclicker with all sortsa kewl scwiggly red MM lans undur everthung just to show me am awrite. (c) MM Lo again, a magic number - 99 characters! So what is this magic number reference? :-) I'll just shortly add some concrete comments to what I already have explained to you and Thomas: 22 - might be memorized as two couples; or Catch-22 (-: Or 2+2=4, therefore a news, a voice, a rumor... related to two couples; or a double connection. 26 - could be memorized as a couple in sex, but also as 2+6=8, when you get a worry (8) out of it. (-: 99 - might be memorized as two happiness, or double happiness, or not rounded $, or 9+9=18, therefore an ace (1) is worrying (8)/taking care, or as the hexagram 18 in I Ching [18 Ku, Work on What Has Been Spoiled (Decay)]. Etc. (-: -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 22 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] When purpose and pleasure are brought together, work becomes play. Every bit of work done in this spirit strengthens the man who does it. It is recreative as well as creative. -- All Work Is Play, by Ernest Wood http://www.innerself.com/Lifestyle_Changes/work_play.htm pgpSH2mnBBXeQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 23 Sep 2004, @ @ at 01:38:52 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: I'm relieved. :-) (-: MM But the model is relevant. Let's MM take this sentence: MM Yew pookin' fun at ma littercrasy (c) [...] MM [EMAIL PROTECTED] [you see, you dent it a bit on some places] I see the dent but I could never remember the encoding. I'm not fluent in this hax0r encoding of characters, and on top of it, I would have to mis-spell the sentence *and* dent it a bit... too much to remember. So you see: various people, various mnemotechnic. It came out as a result of my fight with non-sensical random passwords. MM Lo again, a magic number - 99 characters! I would also like to know the story behind these magic numbers. OK; for you and Rich. Magic numbers are also just a mnemotechnic trick. (-: [Actually all numbers are magic, and 0 (zero) is most magic of all of them, since it's the mother of all numbers; like the silence is mother of all music.] If I remember the number of characters in a password, it can help me additionally in recalling it. You may use even simplest and most trivial numerology definitions, as the ones coming from Gypsy's numerology: 1 - ace, beginning, a start, a new 2 - a couple/pair, connection 3 - conversation 4 - a voice (distant), news, rumours 5 - success 6 - sex(ual) 7 - an encounter 8 - a worry/concern 9 - happiness 10 - a love All the rest are (or might be [interpreted as]) combinations. (-: Are we veering OT? I don't think so. We scrutinize technics related to passwords under the subject Pgp Software we work with, using TB. -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 22 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Didn't hear from you long time - Beethoven pgppGYNaNYT53.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:50:35 +0200 GMT (22/09/2004, 01:50 +0700 GMT), Mica Mijatovic wrote: MM [EMAIL PROTECTED]K0JI Come on. You are posting your password on a public list? I don't believe you for a moment. ;-) MM Nein. Das ist just a sample/example of what I was talking about. MM Naturally is that it's not usable now. I'm relieved. :-) MM But the model is relevant. Let's MM take this sentence: MM Yew pookin' fun at ma littercrasy (c) [...] MM [EMAIL PROTECTED] [you see, you dent it a bit on some places] I see the dent but I could never remember the encoding. I'm not fluent in this hax0r encoding of characters, and on top of it, I would have to mis-spell the sentence *and* dent it a bit... too much to remember. MM And this one below is, you believe or not, the verse from a folk song: MM 05x1ca9PMAMCEkaban1ca [again a magic number, 22] MM ...so you are able not only to memorize it but you can *sing* it, Nice idea, but before using it, you have to encode the verse into the character string above. I am happy that it works for you, but it doesn't for me. You're a lucky man. :-) MM Lo again, a magic number - 99 characters! I would also like to know the story behind these magic numbers. Are we veering OT? -- Cheers, Thomas. 7.Ihr Nachbar geht Ihnen auf den Wecker, weil er nachts um vier so laut klopft, das die Gaeste Ihrer Techno-Party dauernd aus dem Rhythmus kommen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Paul, On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:19 -0400 GMT (22/09/2004, 02:22 +0700 GMT), Paul Cartwright wrote: PC this is a very old tactic, Substitution of letters is the oldest encryption technique in the world, IIRC. PC another good way is to use a phrase ( OR TWO :) and substitute numbers PC for letters: say one at a time PC 0n3 @t a t!m3 PC change all vowels to non-alpha characters. A modern dictionary attack will find the words whether you substitute the vowels with the standard other characters or not. -- Cheers, Thomas. If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, September 22, 2004, 2:41:22 PM, you wrote: TF A modern dictionary attack will find the words whether you substitute TF the vowels with the standard other characters or not. yuck, I guess I'm behind the times.. good thing I stopped doing that years ago:) -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 20 Sep 2004, @ @ at 21:46:19 -0400, when Paul Cartwright wrote: you would memorize a novel for a password :) ??? No, it would be too much for me. I rather write what I already have memorized. (-: [EMAIL PROTECTED]K0JI Writing English using Cyrillic letters with few misspellings I find better than dic(e)ing out a random password which I CAN'T memorize at all. (I have to have some sense to be able to remember it.) Chess moves are also fine. Page, line and word numbers of some book... - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 20 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBUECw9q62QPd3XuIRAp9SAJwLKYlWepvYm577/ImPz20bLPAv5ACeICE4 SfyYC/JPDpJgKLnUeFQyo7U= =IutS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:54:41 +0200 GMT (21/09/2004, 21:54 +0700 GMT), Mica Mijatovic wrote: MM No, it would be too much for me. I rather write what I already have MM memorized. (-: MM [EMAIL PROTECTED]K0JI Come on. You are posting your password on a public list? I don't believe you for a moment. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. When your dad is mad and asks you, 'Do I look stupid?' don't answer. - Hannah, age 9 Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
MM [EMAIL PROTECTED]K0JI Come on. You are posting your password on a public list? I don't believe you for a moment. ;-) No, it's true. Thankfully he uses the same password for *everything* too ;) -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 22 Sep 2004, @ @ at 00:34:02 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: Mica Mijatovic wrote: MM No, it would be too much for me. I rather write what I already have MM memorized. (-: MM [EMAIL PROTECTED]K0JI Come on. You are posting your password on a public list? I don't believe you for a moment. ;-) Nein. Das ist just a sample/example of what I was talking about. Naturally is that it's not usable now. But the model is relevant. Let's take this sentence: Yew pookin' fun at ma littercrasy (c) We can remember the *sense* (it's very important for those who cannot remember insensible things, at least when is word about passwords), and we can additionally make it a bit, or two, harder for dictionaries to work on it, this way: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [you see, you dent it a bit on some places] So, you get an adult (more than 8 characters) password, protective(ly?) potent, of 26 (the magic number) characters -- and you are still *able* to remember it! Since it has a *sense*. Voila!/There! And this one below is, you believe or not, the verse from a folk song: 05x1ca9PMAMCEkaban1ca [again a magic number, 22] ...so you are able not only to memorize it but you can *sing* it, humming, whistling, or using any other instrument. And if you can *sing* your password, believe me, you *never* will be able to forget it. But, if even this happens to you, which is highly impossible - you will hear it on the *radio*! (-: Or on TV, or you could hear people around singing your password. How the heck you could ever then lose it? (: All this people around are taking care of it. If you like my method, you may practise with this sentence: This eMale thinger gotta spillclicker with all sortsa kewl scwiggly red lans undur everthung just to show me am awrite. (c) Lo again, a magic number - 99 characters! -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 20 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] pgpCdnGEOXVYu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 2:50:35 PM, you wrote: MM This eMale thinger gotta spillclicker with all sortsa kewl scwiggly red MM lans undur everthung just to show me am awrite. (c) MM Lo again, a magic number - 99 characters! this is a very old tactic, but I've never used such LONG words.. another good way is to use a phrase ( OR TWO :) and substitute numbers for letters: say one at a time 0n3 @t a t!m3 change all vowels to non-alpha characters. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that long enough?? -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello aceman, Sunday, September 19, 2004, 5:52:13 PM, you wrote: abc In my own usage of PGP Disk, I have moved my mail base, abc newsgroups data, my browser preferences/cache/favourites etc. My abc Documents and my IM (Instant messaging) profiles and as many user abc preferences as possible, to run off the PGP disk which itself abc needs to mounted at logon for them to be available to the user (Me). ^^^ so you need to mount that disk before you can login in with AIM ( or use your browser, or TB. How do you get the PGP disk mounted at logon, is it loaded first, or does it matter? abc Advantages: abc - User data (anything inside the container) is encrypted with abc strong encryption and cannot be accessed without passphrase. abc - Makes backing up data easy as only the one PGP container needs to be backed up. assuming you move everything to a PGPdisk first. and basically that's what My Documents is for, so all your data is in one place. abc - Programs can be installed to a PGP Disk also. Again, they abc are only available while the disk is mounted. then you have to uninstall and reinstall all your apps, so they point to the PGPdisk, or at least change the default folders or SAVE-AS.. abc Disadvantages: abc - If you forget your password, you've had it! I really hate it when that happens:) abc - As with all virtual disks it can be corrupted (although abc in my 3 years of using PGP disk this has never happened to me but I abc should warn you nonetheless). anything is possible, I really understand that ! abc - Containers are only encrypted when they are dismounted. abc When mounted the data is as available as any other hard drive data abc would be (e.g. they will be available over a network - file and abc print sharing etc.) for viruses, trojans, worms, hackers.. same as with all normal files. and they usually stay mounted, so where is the extra security? in case the drive gets stolen? I mean, if I use TB all the time, and keep TB loaded, the PGPdisk has to stay mounted, so it provides no extra security. -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 20 Sep 2004, @ @ at 15:53:36 -0400, when Paul Cartwright wrote: so where is the extra security? in case the drive gets stolen? I mean, if I use TB all the time, and keep TB loaded, the PGPdisk has to stay mounted, so it provides no extra security. I don't use that PGP disk, but Scramdisk, and judging by the description I had read on, they work on same principle (with difference that Scramdisk needs no installation, and is able to work from a diskette; just one exe and dll). Scramdisk will dismount all containers automatically once Windows is restarted or shutdown, so this is the only advantage; that is, nobody could access the files you keep in containers, without passwords, even if your HDD is stolen. (I like Scramdisk's password mechanism as well: you may set a set of 4 x 40+ characters as a password. (-: Therefore, you could write a novel, in a weirdest language you could imagine/create. Lots of time to crack it down.) :grin: - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 20 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBT2Cc9q62QPd3XuIRAvabAJ9dlvlYEIfjJpNXicFEmBrQEGiHggCdHn0h O0D5D0kss+iNwEXpwAnTTi8= =UGue -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mica, Monday, September 20, 2004, 6:58:38 PM, you wrote: MM (I like MM Scramdisk's password mechanism as well: you may set a set of 4 x 40+ MM characters as a password. (-: Therefore, you could write a novel, in a MM weirdest language you could imagine/create. Lots of time to crack it MM down.) you would memorize a novel for a password :) ??? -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Barry, Sunday, September 19, 2004, 9:54:00 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): Hello all, I've today downloaded the PGP software and I'm going to have a dabble. Do any of you who use the software purchase it, are there any advantages to buying it over the free version I suggest http://www.mccune.cc/PGP.htm as a good starting point. -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:54:00 +0100, Barry Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I've today downloaded the PGP software and I'm going to have a dabble. Do any of you who use the software purchase it, are there any advantages to buying it over the free version IMO an excellent advantage is the addition of PGP Disk (not available in the freeware version). -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello aceman, Sunday, September 19, 2004, 4:02:16 PM, you wrote: abc IMO an excellent advantage is the addition of PGP Disk (not abc available in the freeware version). explain PGP disk to me please. Why do you use it, and how does it work. advantages and drawbacks?? -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Sunday, September 19, 2004, 4:02:16 PM, Paul wrote: IMO an excellent advantage is the addition of PGP Disk (not available in the freeware version). explain PGP disk to me please. Why do you use it, and how does it work. advantages and drawbacks?? Well the best explanation can probably be found at: http://www.mccune.cc/PGPpage2.htm#PGPdisk but I will try to explain it a little for you. Basically PGP Disk allows you to create virtual hard disks. These are simply an encrypted container(s) (basically just a file on your hard disk) which you can mount as a system drive e.g. D:, E:, F:, G: etc. etc and it acts just like a hard drive. This disk can be mounted and dismounted as you wish and it is protected by either a passphrase or your PGP key (or even both). In my own usage of PGP Disk, I have moved my mail base, newsgroups data, my browser preferences/cache/favourites etc. My Documents and my IM (Instant messaging) profiles and as many user preferences as possible, to run off the PGP disk which itself needs to mounted at logon for them to be available to the user (Me). Advantages: - User data (anything inside the container) is encrypted with strong encryption and cannot be accessed without passphrase. - Makes backing up data easy as only the one PGP container needs to be backed up. - Programs can be installed to a PGP Disk also. Again, they are only available while the disk is mounted. Disadvantages: - If you forget your password, you've had it! - As with all virtual disks it can be corrupted (although in my 3 years of using PGP disk this has never happened to me but I should warn you nonetheless). - Containers are only encrypted when they are dismounted. When mounted the data is as available as any other hard drive data would be (e.g. they will be available over a network - file and print sharing etc.) HTH -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
