Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
On Saturday, January 06, 2001, 11:09:50 PM, Andrey wrote: ML I'm not sure about this. As Thomas said, different scan codes ML are sent to the system when the NumLock status is changed. I'm afraid you're incorrect here. The down state of an Alt key just changes the way the keyboard handler interprets the actual scan codes. Could you tell me what this is? The (keyboard) BIOS? The OS (Windows)? Or the application? I'm afraid you're not making sense to me. If the keyboard scan codes have been interpreted by someone else before the application (TB) gets them, then TB wouldn't know otherwise, does it? If TB does get to interpret the keyboard events as they come, then it should be up to TB to decide what to do. Now, of course, you may argue TB is doing it the wrong way (not according to standard/custom). But I can see no standard/custom here, for I've found either way (ignoring or not ignoring NUmLock status) implemented by various applications. ML It's up to the receiving end (the application, I assume) to ML decide what to do with it. But _any_ application must conform to the common standards (at least to an environment (OS) standards or a common practice). Please tell me then where I can find this standard. ML And I know people who prefer using the NumPad as direction keys ML to the actual direction keys (out of habits). Yes, but this is not related to my problem, isn't it? :-) Why not? I mean there're people who prefer the NumLock status not to be ignored. The want Alt+Numpad 2 to be Alt+Down Arrow when NumLock is off. And I find it to be reasonable. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
On Saturday, January 06, 2001, 10:54:07 PM, Andrey wrote: Partially - it depends on OS used. In DOS we are limited to 256 characters. In Windows we can use all those characters that a particular font supports. For example, Alt+0149 != Alt+149 - try it yourself and you'll feel the difference. Sorry, couldn't tell. I tried several times (in Notepad, another editor, Word, Windows Run dialog, ...etc.), and could find no difference at all between the two. They all show a round dot to me. TF And when the NumPad is not NumLock'ed, it is not a NumPad, it TF is a cursor control pad. Different signals are sent to the CPU, TF so you will see different results. Yes, you're quite right but please don't forget the Alt hold down. It changes the way the OS interprets the scan codes of these keys - it means: store the NumPad input in a special buffer and simulate entering a character according to the decimal ANSI code received. So you mean the OS (Windows) would buffer all the keyboard actions during the time Alt is down and send the result after the whole event (after Alt is up)? Is this documented somewhere (online sources preferred, please)? AFAIK, key codes continue to be sent to the application during the time Alt is down, and it's up to the application to interpret the result, including whether to disregard the NumLock status or not. By application I mean the last program down the chain that can get the keyboard events (including the status of various modifier/special keys) and get to interpret them. AGSAA The correct behaviour is to ignore the NumPad status. Again, please tell me where it's documented. Thanks. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ming-Li, On 07 January 2001 at 05:32:13 -0800 (which was 13:32 where I live) Ming-Li wrote and made these points: I'm afraid you're incorrect here. The down state of an Alt key just changes the way the keyboard handler interprets the actual scan codes. ML ML Could you tell me what this is? The (keyboard) BIOS? The OS ML (Windows)? Or the application? It's the BIOS. ML Please tell me then where I can find this standard. There isn't one - only a general "norm" to which some, but not all, adhere and it all depends on the BIOS at root. Can we please take this discussion off-list (that's an official instruction, not a request). It may seem to be TB related, but it's not. It's about BIOS, OS and Application interactions and varies from system to system. Anyway - there's no further to take this on-list, so the horse just died :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOlh1XjnkJKuSnc2gEQJ2lQCfVZ1j+Y5LS+2E15SOxGK107kY+XcAoJ5t 7uEcODExaOpqijRMBbxjqmYd =INlW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hallo Andrey, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:54:07 +0300 GMT (07/01/2001, 14:54 +0800 GMT), Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote: AGSAA Partially - it depends on OS used. In DOS we are limited to 256 AGSAA characters. In Windows we can use all those characters that a particular AGSAA font supports. For example, Alt+0149 != Alt+149 - try it yourself and AGSAA you'll feel the difference. A dot here in both cases - maybe a non-printable character in my encoding but a russian character in your. I have always left out preceding zeros when entering codes via Atl-NumPad. AGSAA Again, please remember that we're holding Alt down. AGSAA I suggest trying to enter character (Alt+0149) in the Start - Run AGSAA window which is a part of Windows unlike all the applications discussed AGSAA here. You'll always get the correct input regardless of the NumPad AGSAA status. The status of the NumLock keys changes the code the keys on the NumPad produce. So it is a matter of definition what code they should produce when the Atl key is held down while NumLock of FALSE: the same as with NumLock, or not? We have seen that the different applications answer this question differently, and Ritlabs chose the same way as MS when they developed Word. I don't think this is a big, even though MS chose to use the other definition when they devleoped other applications. -- Cheers, Thomas. The severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the ability to reach it. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 9:13:13 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA It seems to be impossible to enter characters using their ANSI AGSAA codes via Alt+NumPad in TB message editor when the NumPad acts AGSAA as a cursor control keys :-(. TF I wouldn't know about ANSI codes, but I usually use the NumPad for TF ASCII codes. Maybe they are the same. Partially - it depends on OS used. In DOS we are limited to 256 characters. In Windows we can use all those characters that a particular font supports. For example, Alt+0149 != Alt+149 - try it yourself and you'll feel the difference. TF And when the NumPad is not NumLock'ed, it is not a NumPad, it is a TF cursor control pad. Different signals are sent to the CPU, so you will TF see different results. Yes, you're quite right but please don't forget the Alt hold down. It changes the way the OS interprets the scan codes of these keys - it means: store the NumPad input in a special buffer and simulate entering a character according to the decimal ANSI code received. AGSAA The correct behaviour is to ignore the NumPad status. TF Is that so? I have never heard this. I think if you want to inoput TF ASCII codes via AtlNumPad, you have to make sure the NumLock light is TF on. It has always been this way, and wouldn't understand why TF alt+uparrow on the NumPad should have the same meaning as alt-8 on TF the NumPad. Again, please remember that we're holding Alt down. I suggest trying to enter character (Alt+0149) in the Start - Run window which is a part of Windows unlike all the applications discussed here. You'll always get the correct input regardless of the NumPad status. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 6:15:32 PM, Ming-Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to be impossible to enter characters using their ANSI codes via Alt+NumPad in TB message editor when the NumPad acts as a cursor control keys :-(. The correct behaviour is to ignore the NumPad status. ML I'm not sure about this. As Thomas said, different scan codes are ML sent to the system when the NumLock status is changed. I'm afraid you're incorrect here. The down state of an Alt key just changes the way the keyboard handler interprets the actual scan codes. ML It's up to the receiving end (the application, I assume) to decide ML what to do with it. But _any_ application must conform to the common standards (at least to an environment (OS) standards or a common practice). ML While you may want TB to ignore the NumLock status, others may like ML it not to. Well and again, there are some standards (CUA and Win32 for example) that _every_ application should meet. No M$ish "improvements" to the protocols here. OT: do you like the "Microsoft TCP/IP Protocol"? ;-) ML Have you ever seen keyboards without the normal direction keys ML (arrows and Home, End, PgUp, PgDn)? I do. I too, as a user/developer/system administrator/decision maker. ML And I know people who prefer using the NumPad as direction keys to ML the actual direction keys (out of habits). Yes, but this is not related to my problem, isn't it? :-) -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 7:03:02 PM, Tim Musson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost TF I say it's not a bug in TB. TM Agreed, it seems to be application dependent. M$ NotePad gets a t with TM NumLock on and off. Disagreed, it seems to be an UI inconsistence - like an absent New Message toolbar button in the Folder View window while the Ctrl+N mentioned under Message menu. However, it's a small problem - there are more important ones to be resolved :-). A message to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] will be sent soon. Perhaps I'll try to add this item to the unofficial wishlist also. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
On Thursday, January 04, 2001, 8:49:17 PM, Andrey wrote: It seems to be impossible to enter characters using their ANSI codes via Alt+NumPad in TB message editor when the NumPad acts as a cursor control keys :-(. The correct behaviour is to ignore the NumPad status. I'm not sure about this. As Thomas said, different scan codes are sent to the system when the NumLock status is changed. It's up to the receiving end (the application, I assume) to decide what to do with it. While you may want TB to ignore the NumLock status, others may like it not to. Have you ever seen keyboards without the normal direction keys (arrows and Home, End, PgUp, PgDn)? I do. And I know people who prefer using the NumPad as direction keys to the actual direction keys (out of habits). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49 Beta/2 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hallo Tim, On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:26:11 -0500 GMT (05/01/2001, 21:26 +0800 GMT), Tim Musson wrote: TM Alt+116 = t regardless of the NumLock status for TM Win2k/NT/98/95/m$-dos6/5/3/dr-dos7 on ThinkPad/Dell workstation, and TM Compaq servers. Not for Word 97 under Win98. I just tried it. Returns t when NumLock is TRUE and nothing when NumLock is FALSE. You are right under MS-DOS 7, though. I find this inconsistent, but there it is. I have no access to other OS's right now, with my laptop (running DR-DOS 6) having been on the fritz for a while (like 2 years, but one day, I will fix it). I say it's not a bug in TB. -- Cheers, Thomas. -Why be difficult when with a bit of effort you can be impossible? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible Bug?
Hallo Arthur, On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:58:16 -0500 GMT (08/12/2000, 00:58 +0800 GMT), Arthur Warren wrote: AW Extremely minor, but interesting. The Bat! reports -19 unread messages AW in the system tray (via the floating tool-tip that you can get). This AW happened after I marked a bunch of messages (that had been automatically AW moved to other folders by filters) as read. Minus nineteen? I have never had this to date. Sure sound slike a bug. AW I do have a screen shot of the message, if there's somewhere that I AW should attempt to post it. If you are a member of TBOT (go to www.egroups.com and subscribe to a list called tbot), then please upload it to the file section for us to see. AW Apologies if this is a known bug, I did search the archives briefly AW couldn't find anything similar. It is not known. At least I have never heard of it, and I've been on this list for about 20 months. That was before the archives were started. (That's how old I am. No, I didn't want to say that.) -- Cheers, Thomas. He who hesitates is probably right. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible Bug...can somebody check this also?
Hello Juergen, on Thursday, November 02, 2000, 09:46, you wrote: Now if I write a new message and wait for 40 seconds, I see this message in my outbox. If I send it, it will be deleted from this location after a successful send. But if I write a new message, wait 40 seconds until it is in my outbox and close the editor (I don't send the mail), my mail is still in the outbox and I can NOT delete or move it from this location. The only chance to get rid of this mail is to delete the messages.* files in the filesystem outbox folder. Your first message has been saved as draft. Mark it in the outbox pane and remove the "draft save icon" near the envelope by clicking on it. -- Best regards, Jürgen -- The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible Bug...can somebody check this also?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Juergen, On 02 November 2000 at 10:00:21 GMT +0100 (which was 09:00 where I live) Juergen Frisch wrote and made these points: The only chance to get rid of this mail is to delete the messages.* files in the filesystem outbox folder. JFYour first message has been saved as draft. Mark it in the outbox JFpane and remove the "draft save icon" near the envelope by clicking JFon it. .. or simply drag to the trash folder and answer "Yes" to the question about moving parked messages. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Kids Stuff: We say the cause of perfume disappearing is evaporation. Evaporation gets blamed for a lot of things people forget to put the top on. TB! v1.48 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOgFFWTnkJKuSnc2gEQJwcQCfbTwItpEuo/OqqVe5Y0ZHyqlyPxoAn2Ng syfi134T4GSPumvy0aC/HkPM =6e+E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug - Ticker and Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, On 25 October 2000 at 17:58:06 GMT +0100 (which was 17:58 where I live) Paul White wrote and made these points on the subject of "Possible bug - Ticker and Editor": PW Is this a bug or have I missed something? Confirmed! I suggest that you submit a bug report to RITlabs (Help -- Feedback -- Bug Report). - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Duracel bunny arrested, charged with battery TB! v1.47 Halloween Edition S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOfcpKjnkJKuSnc2gEQJ8JQCg3u6Gu2AHvYCvqFGCphnsXCF4VxoAnReJ 9Z+PkZ1IvqsQSiYbiBu99Wqo =EmJp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug(s) with version 1.46d
Hello all, Friday, September 22, 2000, Diana Calder wrote: I downloaded and installed 1.46d from the RIT Labs site today. Ack!! Not good at all. First, it ignored the /LOGIN= and PASSWORD= parameters on the shortcut that I've been using just fine with 1.45. Do You use parameter _/LOGIN_ ? for example: thebat.exe /NOLOGO /EXIT /CHECKALL /LOGIN;USER=test;PASSWORD=test; -- Bye Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.46d under the worst Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 32 MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug(s) with version 1.46d
Hallo Diana, On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:25:10 -0400 GMT (23/09/2000, 03:25 +0800 GMT), Diana Calder wrote: DC the "flag" column was empty (still there on-screen, but empty) DC [...] "Flagging" wasn't listed either as an available column or DC one in use. No such problem here. DC First, it ignored the /LOGIN= and PASSWORD= parameters Wouldn't know; don't use it. DC Anyone else tried 1.46d and had similar problems? No problems over here. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible Bug / problem Reply 3
Hello JWorley, On Friday, February 18, 2000 at 13:10:03 GMT -0600 (which was 11:10 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Hi To All You BATty People, I did some digging and can now narrow the field a little more. This only happens when someone using Outlook receives a message with an attachment and then forwards that message to me. Interestingly enough, the attachment does end up in the Attachment folder undre The Bat. I just cannot see the attachment in the message. This may be an IE/Win98 problem. That still does not explain the screen captures I included last time. If this happens under TB then it should happen under any client. Next time you get one of those, open the "attachment" so you see the blank message. Then in that window hit ctrl-shift-k. This sounds like a problem that I had recently. What it turned out to be was that the people forwarding me messages were using GroupWise. For some reason, GroupWise removes the blank line that separates Headers from the message body. So TB thought that the message was a blank message with a whole bunch of headers. That meant to view the message I had to use the Show Kludges/Show RFC-822 Headers option. See if that works. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible Bug / problem Reply 3
Hello JWorley, On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:10:03 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, February 19, 2000, 2:10:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, JWorley wrote: Hi To All You BATty People, Thomas wrote: J I work with a bunch of Outlook / MS Office users and have noticed J something strange. Whenever they forward a message to me that has an J attached document I do not get the attached file. The Bat shows that J the message has an attachment. But it will be displayed as something J like 7.MSG. When I open it all I see is a blank message. If I J receive the same forwarded message with another client the attachment J will invariably be there and show as Whatever.DOC or Whatsit.XLS. Is J this a bug or am I missing something? I can provide screen captures J to show the problem if necessary. I receive a lot of .doc and .xls attachments from Outlook users and have no problems with it. I dump them and then tell the user that my server zaps exe, doc, xls, bmp's as attachment and can they please zip or jpeg them and resend... They do... I see absolutely no need to have to receive bulky stuff if all they need to do is to compress before sending it. I blame it normally as part of antivirus protecion and anyway thats true. I have had sofar 2 emails with attachments from MS which had a macro virus... -- Cheers, Thomas. I did some digging and can now narrow the field a little more. This only happens when someone using Outlook receives a message with an attachment and then forwards that message to me. Interestingly enough, the attachment does end up in the Attachment folder undre The Bat. I just cannot see the attachment in the message. This may be an IE/Win98 problem. That still does not explain the screen captures I included last time. If this happens under TB then it should happen under any client. __ Best regards, Jeff Worley Systems Consultant | E-Mailed by The Bat! Version 1.39 | The World's Best E-Mail Client!!! | Check it out at http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html | under Windows 98 4.10 Build A | on an AMD K6-II 380 Mhz _ Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible Bug / problem Reply 3
Hi tracer, On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:33:16 +0700GMT (19/02/2000, 09:33 +0800GMT), tracer wrote: I receive a lot of .doc and .xls attachments from Outlook users and have no problems with it. t I dump them and then tell the user that my server zaps exe, doc, xls, t bmp's as attachment and can they please zip or jpeg them and resend... t They do... I can't do that; even my head office sends me .doc files and .xls files. That's the difference between regular commercial business (mine) and computer-related business (yours). It is even an instruction to send the monthly financial results as Excel files. The company is over 200 years old; for a German company, I should be happy that they recognize email as a means of communication (introduced last year!). t I see absolutely no need to have to receive bulky stuff if all they t need to do is to compress before sending it. Head office even sent me a multi-page powerpoint presentation uncompressed! I was about to delete the messages with the huge attachments before downloading, but fortunately saw the sender before doing that. ;-) t I blame it normally as part of antivirus protecion and anyway thats t true. t I have had sofar 2 emails with attachments from MS which had a macro t virus... My head office has a major firewall does catches more viruses (I believe that's the most commonly-used plural g). Of course, I have an always-updated fully-paid AV realtime protection programme running; an absolute necessity. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug / problem
Hi JWorley, On 17 February 2000 at 21:44:29 GMT -0600 (which was 03:44 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: J I work with a bunch of Outlook / MS Office users and have noticed J something strange. Whenever they forward a message to me that has J an attached document I do not get the attached file. The Bat shows J that the message has an attachment. But it will be displayed as J something like 7.MSG. When I open it all I see is a blank message. J If I receive the same forwarded message with another client the J attachment will invariably be there and show as Whatever.DOC or J Whatsit.XLS. Is this a bug or am I missing something? I can provide J screen captures to show the problem if necessary. This is not a TB problem but a problem at the Outlook end. Their address book *must* show you as someone unable to read MS Enriched messages otherwise attachments will come through legible only by another Outlook / Exchange / MSIM user. The usual format for these PITA messages is MS-TNEF. There is a decoder available for this format (mentioned recently in a thread specifically about MS-TNEF - check the TBUDL/TBBETA archive) although I was unable to access the link given. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug / problem
Hi there! On 16 Feb 00, at 21:44, JWorley wrote about "Possible bug / problem": I work with a bunch of Outlook / MS Office users and have noticed something strange. Whenever they forward a message to me that has an attached document I do not get the attached file. The Bat shows that the message has an attachment. But it will be displayed as something like 7.MSG. When I open it all I see is a blank message. In fact when you open it, you see a _message_having_blank_textual_part, but _containing_an_attachment_. Please ensure (in the message viewer!) that you have "show attachments automatically" or "always" ticked. The MIME structure of such messages is: a message, to which another message is MIME-attached, this last message having an empty textual part and one or more attachments. It's insane structure all right, but M$ mailers are made by idiots, always remember this;-) P.S. My apologies Marck, but this specific case has nothing to do with ms- tnefs. It's another (although sad also) problem... P.P.S. This is my last message to TBUDL for (at least:-)) the next 3 weeks, I'm temporarily desactivating my subscription since I'm leaving St.Pb tomorrow. See ya, guys;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Speed Kills - Use Windows! --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug / problem
Hi Marck, On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:03:10 +GMT (17/02/2000, 18:03 +0800GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP The usual format for these PITA messages is MS-TNEF. There is a MDP decoder available for this format (mentioned recently in a thread MDP specifically about MS-TNEF - check the TBUDL/TBBETA archive) although MDP I was unable to access the link given. I believe that was fentun - I did take a look at the web site. However, I would rather have a possibility to delete this attachment (like HTML, wouldn't that be nice). When I receive HTML messages in pine, I only reply back to the sender that I am unable to read it (which is not entirely true ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug / problem
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:46:33 -0600, JWorley wrote: I have noticed that even though I have set the properties on certain folders to delete messages after X number of days, the messages are never deleted unless I go into the folders and manually delete them. Is this a problem / bug or am I doing something wrong? I do not have any of the messages parked. Thanks. AFAIK, the purges are done only upon exiting TB!. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomaches - David Daye ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
In Reference to "Possible Bug ??" From Angel: A Description: A After selecting multiple emails to REDIRECT, and ticking the "Address All Messages A To The Address Below" option in popup-box then hitting "OK", A TB! gets an EAccessViolation message and the program shuts down completely. Sorry Angel, can't confirm. I did exactly as you state and it worked like a charm here. -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 7,000 cantankerous footballers form a search party in your blind spot. Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000 at 09:39:02 ,Thomas scribbled:
TF Angel, how much RAM do you have? I have a suspicion that TB has a
TF problem swapping
128 Megs
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Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000, 11:19:49 AM, Angel wrote: Apologies if this sort of Q has been answered before :D Angel, I'm not sure why, but all of your posts are doubled for some reason... I'm receiving two exact posts every time... and it only seems to be with posts originating from you? Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000 at 12:29:43 ,Nick scribbled:
NA Angel, I'm not sure why, but all of your posts are doubled for some
NA reason... I'm receiving two exact posts every time...
Because I posted to both the TBUDL and TBBETA mailing lists.
From: Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: E-mailaholics International
To: Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: TBBETA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not this time though because "this" is another topic not related to the "bug" in the
Beta... didnt need to go to the Beta-list.
Did need to be answered tho... thanks for pointing it out as some new(er)
list-members may
be confused as well. This is why I have seperate folders for my TBBETA and TBUDL emails
as well as filters set up for the seperate lists pointing to their corresponding
Folder(s).
I may get them twice, but I always know which list they're on so I can seperate the
Beta
stuff from TBUDL-general stuff. :D
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Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000 at 11:31:30 ,Allie scribbled:
AM I suggest that you write to Ritlabs about it and leave it at that. :)
AM Just be sure to include exactly what the error message said as you did on
AM the list.
I will, and thanks, Allie :D
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Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000, 12:50:11 PM, Angel wrote: NA Angel, I'm not sure why, but all of your posts are doubled for some NA reason... I'm receiving two exact posts every time... Because I posted to both the TBUDL and TBBETA mailing lists. Hmmm... strange then, because I have filters setup for both Lists, and has been working just fine. I do notice that you had Cc'd to the Beta List, so I tried to set up another filter for TBBETA to catch those messages with the Beta List address in the Cc: box, but not sure what "Location", in Account/Sorting Office/Filters, to use with the filter. Kludges? My original TBBETA filter has the List Address as "Recipient", but it didn't seem to catch any messages with the Beta List address in the Cc: box. How would you set up a filter to catch messages with a certain address in the Cc: line? Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
Friday, January 14, 2000, 6:59:10 PM, Angel wrote: Hello fellow Bataholics! I am using Version 1.39 Beta/1Registered Under Windows 98 4 .10 Build Description: After selecting multiple emails to REDIRECT, and ticking the "Address All Messages To The Address Below" option in popup-box then hitting "OK", TB! gets an EAccessViolation message and the program shuts down completely. Confirmed. Version 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.00.2195 -- /\/\ || George M. Menegakis - System Administrator || || Centre of Communications and Networking|| || Iraklion Campus - University Of Crete || || mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], icq: 4557532 || || phone: +30 81 393 305, fax:+30 81 39 3318 || \/\/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000 at 13:29:52 ,Nick scribbled:
NA My original TBBETA filter has the List Address as "Recipient", but it
NA didn't seem to catch any messages with the Beta List address in the Cc:
NA box. How would you set up a filter to catch messages with a certain
NA address in the Cc: line?
MY TBUDL filter:
SOURCE FOLDER: Inbox
STRING: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Location: Sender
SOURCE FOLDER: Inbox
TBBETA filter:
STRING: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Location: Sender
Also keep in mmind that the filters go from top of the list to bottom. So if your
filter-list looks somsething like this:
TBUDL
TBBETA
SomeOtherFilter ,
TB! will look at the TBUDL filter first, then TBBETA and so onwhich is why,
personally, I almost always tick the "override existing filters" box when creating
a new filter.
I have mine set this way, that way it finds TBUDL first. I believe you can set up
"alternative" 's for each filter... it's one of the tabs when you open your
Filter-Options. This confuses me so I don't use them, but I believe you can set as
"alternative rule" within your TBBETA filter it when it's in the CC: address ...
And you can always add filter strings within an existing filter. Maybe you can put an
additional string in TBBETA's filter for:
CC: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the LOCATION: kludges
*shrug* haven't tried that one yet...dunno if you have to
have your VIEW KLUDGES option turned on in your Editor settings or not to use that,
but I
don't know.
Anyone else have any ideas, or know?? :D
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Re: Possible Bug ??
Hello there Bataholics!
An afterthought...and also FMPI (For My Personal Information) as I am just
now delving into/learning in-depth tecchy-stuff LOL):
I notice that Thomas and Nick are using Win98 build 1998... I am using
Win98 Build (Second Edition). Graham "confirmed" using Win NT4 SP5.
Would the Version differences point this problem towards being version-specific? That
is,
if it's not a swap-problem as Thomas suggested
Apologies if this sort of Q has been answered before :D
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Re: possible bug
Hello Roel, On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 at 14:04:55 [GMT +0100], you wrote: R can anybody confirm this? R when i collapse an account, select it (without expanding it) and R hit the F2-key (or using the mouse), I always get: 'server reports R error: the respons is: Nope, I don't have any problems checking collapsed accounts using the F2 key for either POP or IMAP accounts. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETAT List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. A "user friendly" program doesn't have a 600 page manual! -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: possible bug (2) full mail this time
Hello Roel, On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:09:01 +0100 you told us : R can anybody confirm this? R when i collapse an account, select it (without expanding it) and R hit the F2-key (or using the mouse), I always get: 'server reports R error: the respons is:' R when i expand the account hit the F2 key, everything goes fine... R the strange thing is that it doesn't happen at all my accounts, R although they rely on the same settings mail-server... I can't confirm this, working fine here. I've test using Mail Server on LAN or connecting via Dial Up NAT/Proxy, no problem. -- - syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.38e (reg) under Windows NT Workstation 4.0 built 1381, Service Pack 6 Created : Wednesday, December 15, 1999, 20:27:22 (GMT + 07:00) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: possible bug (2) full mail this time
Hallo Roel, On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:09:01 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, December 15, 1999, 9:09:01 PM (GMT+0800) my local time, Roel wrote: R I checked everything the accounts are exactly the same (apart from R the login password that is)... every setting is identical... I am not sure about the Network settings per account: do have account-specific network setting in each account? You should have it only in one. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: possible bug (2) full mail this time
Hallo Roel, On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 at 16:43:25 [GMT +0100], you wrote: TF What if you choose account-specific settings for one of the accounts? R as said above: it'll give an error for that account... R don't know why though... R also, i noticed that now hitting f2 _sometimes_ work... R seems to be random, with a higher chance for an error... What happens if you hit alt-F2 (check mail for all)? Are the different addresses on the same server aliases? You might be able to connect to the POP server with only one connection at a time. If it's not that, I'm out of my wits. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
