Re: TB 4.0.38: Corruption problems with mail folders
Hello Andrew, On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:01:50 -0400 GMT (02/Aug/09, 6:01 AM +0700 GMT), Andrew Webber wrote: AW I've been using The Bat! for some time and have been having an ongoing AW problem with corrupted mail folders. (The Bat! v4.0.38, with on-the-fly AW encryption active.) AW It may be that I never quite cleaned up the problem, I'm not sure. AW Typically when I ran the Maintenance Centre, it would find lots of AW errors in lots of folders, then I'd end up with empty folders. :( I AW guess I get part.bin files, though I haven't done anything with AW them. The problem with on-the-fly encryption (OTFE) is that you can't do anything with them. I have not managed to import or access the mails inside. AW I've got several .TBK backups available, and I have 32 part.bin AW files in various folders. What's the best way to get the most files AW back? Uninstall TheBat! and reinstall as Plain. Do not use OTFE. If you now restore from backup, your mails will be there. If the manitenance center resilts in *.bin files, then you can rename these files to .EBB and import into TB!. AW I'm thinking I should restore all the backups, good and bad, then run AW Maintenance Centre again and let it purge the dupes and create yet AW more .bin files. Then, import from the .bin files (RIT told me to do AW that, though I'm not completely clear on the procedure since they said AW to rename as MESSAGES.TBB [presumably MESSAGES.EBB?] and import, AW though I guess not from their current folders). Obviously, you would have to move them first, because the file names already exist in that folder. However, in my experience it does not work with OTFE, but they might have changed something in the meantime, so I suggest to try this first before you uninstall and reinstall. AW Does this seem reasonable? Will restoring from a backup overwrite AW what I already have Yes. AW (if so, what do I do?)? I hope you leave messages on the server. AW And is there a way to avoid this happening again and again? In fact, it shouldn't be happpening. I suggest you check your harddisk for mechanical failures, I think FDISK does the job but please wait for experts here to contradict me. AW I'm not now sure whether everything was cleaned up once, then went AW bad again, or if I never really got the badness fixed. My guess would be either your haddisk or a strong magnet (such as a loudspeaker) close to your computer. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.9.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 4.0.38: Corruption problems with mail folders
Thank you for the detailed answers Thomas, I have some follow-ups below -- Andrewmailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:29:55 AM, you wrote: AW It may be that I never quite cleaned up the problem, I'm not sure. AW Typically when I ran the Maintenance Centre, it would find lots of AW errors in lots of folders, then I'd end up with empty folders. :( I AW guess I get part.bin files, though I haven't done anything with AW them. The problem with on-the-fly encryption (OTFE) is that you can't do anything with them. I have not managed to import or access the mails inside. So even if I'm running TB! with the same OTFE password, it won't let me import those renamed part.bin files!? I had inferred from RITL's answer that I could import them using the password. :( I certainly can't do anything with them using TextPad, which seems to be how the Help screens recommend. AW I've got several .TBK backups available, and I have 32 part.bin AW files in various folders. What's the best way to get the most files AW back? Uninstall TheBat! and reinstall as Plain. Do not use OTFE. If you now restore from backup, your mails will be there. If the manitenance center resilts in *.bin files, then you can rename these files to .EBB and import into TB!. All the .TBK backups were created with OTFE turned on. If I reinstall without OTFE, will I be able to restore from those existing .TBKs? Or are you suggesting specifically to do a backup _today_ without OTFE (after reinstalling) and then do the Maintenance Centre? Obviously, you would have to move them first, because the file names already exist in that folder. However, in my experience it does not work with OTFE, but they might have changed something in the meantime, so I suggest to try this first before you uninstall and reinstall. I will try doing the import from a renamed part.bin and see what happens. AW Does this seem reasonable? Will restoring from a backup overwrite AW what I already have Yes. Just to be entirely clear, it overwrites the emails that match, or clears out the folder and replaces with the contents of the backup? AW (if so, what do I do?)? I hope you leave messages on the server. I've started doing that but only recently. In fact, it shouldn't be happpening. I suggest you check your harddisk for mechanical failures, I think FDISK does the job but please wait for experts here to contradict me. I suspect you're right, I need to verify the HD as a precaution. Thanks again! =aw Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 4.0.38: Corruption problems with mail folders
Hello Andrew, On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:50:30 -0400 GMT (03/Aug/09, 2:50 AM +0700 GMT), Andrew Webber wrote: AW Thank you for the detailed answers Thomas, I have some follow-ups AW below Due to your top posting and the cut mark, your actual reply is lost when I hit reply... -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.9.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 4.0.38: Corruption problems with mail folders
Hello Andrew, On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:50:30 -0400 GMT (03/Aug/09, 2:50 AM +0700 GMT), Andrew Webber wrote: The problem with on-the-fly encryption (OTFE) is that you can't do anything with them. I have not managed to import or access the mails inside. AW So even if I'm running TB! with the same OTFE password, it won't let AW me import those renamed part.bin files!? I haven't succeeded. But that was with version 3.x. AW I had inferred from RITL's answer that I could import them using AW the password. :( Did you try? AW I certainly can't do anything with them using TextPad, which seems AW to be how the Help screens recommend. The messages bases under OTFE are encrypted. AW I've got several .TBK backups available, and I have 32 part.bin AW files in various folders. What's the best way to get the most files AW back? Uninstall TheBat! and reinstall as Plain. Do not use OTFE. If you now restore from backup, your mails will be there. If the manitenance center resilts in *.bin files, then you can rename these files to .EBB and import into TB!. AW All the .TBK backups were created with OTFE turned on. If I AW reinstall without OTFE, will I be able to restore from those AW existing .TBKs? Yes, I understand a Plain TB! can restore from a .TBK that was created with OTFE. AW Or are you suggesting specifically to do a backup _today_ without AW OTFE (after reinstalling) and then do the Maintenance Centre? You will need to backup before reinstalling, otherwise you won't have any mails or settings in the new plain TB!. Obviously, you would have to move them first, because the file names already exist in that folder. However, in my experience it does not work with OTFE, but they might have changed something in the meantime, so I suggest to try this first before you uninstall and reinstall. AW I will try doing the import from a renamed part.bin and see what AW happens. OK, let us know. I am curious now. AW Does this seem reasonable? Will restoring from a backup overwrite AW what I already have Yes. AW Just to be entirely clear, it overwrites the emails that match, or AW clears out the folder and replaces with the contents of the backup? I haven't restored into an existing folder yet. My guess is clear and replace. AW (if so, what do I do?)? I hope you leave messages on the server. AW I've started doing that but only recently. In fact, it shouldn't be happpening. I suggest you check your harddisk for mechanical failures, I think FDISK does the job but please wait for experts here to contradict me. AW I suspect you're right, I need to verify the HD as a precaution. If I were you, this would be my first action. There is no point in backing up, reinstalling, and restoring, if you'll have the same problem again due to a HD problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.9.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 4.0.38: Corruption problems with mail folders
Hello Thomas, AW I suspect you're right, I need to verify the HD as a precaution. If I were you, this would be my first action. There is no point in backing up, reinstalling, and restoring, if you'll have the same problem again due to a HD problem. To be honest if you have the slightest suspicion you have a hard disk problem I would get any data backed up on an external hard disk if its a laptop or on a spare interface/HD if its the desktop. Quite often various ways of dying hard disks can be detected but they vary in their symptoms. Are you having any other problems pointing to a failing interface or hard disk? System hanging, crashing and is defrag working ok??? -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 4.0.38: Corruption problems with mail folders
Hello One website great for getting tools or at least the names of tools is EASEUS. They have also a free and slow but normally quite effective copying program. Put it in google as I just tested that and there are now heaps of links. 2 years ago I had to specify Chengdu and disc utilities (g). Chengdu is a town in China with good food READ the instructions as otherwise fatal mistakes can be made -- Best regards, tracer mailto:0tra...@gmail.com Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
